Just imagine...

[Red Noob]

RevLeft has been granted 200 acres of arable land and $100,000 to spend. Every somewhat active and relevant user is now going to live on this commune.

There isn't any established system (decision making power and such) or infrastructure yet (houses or anything). That's why we have the $100k, to do whatever with. We have no instructions. We're just there.


Just imagine what a mess that would be...

[GoddessCleoLover]

I view Communism as a worldwide and industrial phenomena rather than setting up a commune, but even if I were an agricultural "communist" I am realistic enough to know that without farming skills a hundred grand isn't going to go far, unless one is going to grow a high profit margin crop like marijuana. But that would be wrong.

[Red Noob]

I view Communism as a worldwide and industrial phenomena rather than setting up a commune, but even if I were an agricultural "communist" I am realistic enough to know that without farming skills a hundred grand isn't going to go far, unless one is going to grow a high profit margin crop like marijuana. But that would be wrong.

I know. I didn't mean it in a "wouldn't this be cool if we could do this guys?" it was a more of a "imagine if you took every revleft user in a room and had them create a society". Which is funny to think about.

[Nox]

I vote for building a water park.

[Red Noob]

I vote for building a water park.

No, we should have a petting zoo. When will you trots learn?

[Ostrinski]

Revleft commune...:unsure:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxwCkaobguwCOpauSuwnaNFQpSKLYbB X5oYXDA6n8W7oVb6EySiA

[Nox]

Even better idea, we should spend split the $100k between us and sell the land.I don't know how much 200 acres goes for nowadays but we should have plenty of money to do whatever the hell we want with.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Nox is right. We are too factious and the OP's tone of facetiousness is justified by reality.

[Raúl Duke]

There isn't any established system (decision making power and such) or infrastructure yet (houses or anything). That's why we have the $100k, to do whatever with. We have no instructions. We're just there.


Just imagine what a mess that would be... I think it'll degenerate into a nightmare where people start killing one another or split into different factions within these 200 acres.

I prefer the last option, and I'll be on the side of the people who turn their side of the land into a perpetual music festival or Burning Man with psychedelic drugs and having all sorts of outdoor fun plus hippies growing organic healthy food and marijuana plants (plus precursor ingredients for psychedelics and magic mushrooms). It won't start a revolution (than again, none of these communes will) but it'll be fun. We'll also have weapons of sorts because I'm willing to wager that some members on here who are all straight-edge or anti-drugs might attack us for being "drug-addled degenerates" and we'll need them for self-defense.

[Q]

Build a fort against the cappies:

http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/games/pc/age_of_empires_3/age_of_empires_3_001.jpg

[Rafiq]

Sounds nightmarish.

I'll pass.

[Prometeo liberado]

Build a casino and then just leave me alone at the bar.

[Ele'ill]

This wouldn't be all that bad.

[Agent Ducky]

I vote for building a water park.

I second this measure.

But then I realize I'd be in a bikini surrounded by Revlefters like Nox. Shit.

Whatever. 100-acre waterpark of communistic awesomeness would be worth it.

[Nuvem]

http://cellar.org/pictures/brushfire.jpg

Within 72 hours.

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://www.yogadork.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/drunk-cat-couch-potato.jpg

that would be me in the new commune. If I were a cat.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Build a fort against the cappies:

http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/games/pc/age_of_empires_3/age_of_empires_3_001.jpg
We build this fort


I view Communism as a worldwide and industrial phenomena rather than setting up a commune, but even if I were an agricultural "communist" I am realistic enough to know that without farming skills a hundred grand isn't going to go far, unless one is going to grow a high profit margin crop like marijuana. But that would be wrong.
Two side-areas are for pot

No, we should have a petting zoo. When will you trots learn?
One side-area is for a petting zoo

Even better idea, we should spend split the $100k between us and sell the land.I don't know how much 200 acres goes for nowadays but we should have plenty of money to do whatever the hell we want with.
No fuck that

Build a casino and then just leave me alone at the bar.
One side area is for a bar


http://www.yogadork.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/drunk-cat-couch-potato.jpg

that would be me in the new commune. If I were a cat.
One side area is for chillin / moonshine

Middle is where everyone lives with a basement full of food / weapons and various foodcrops around the building and on the roof.

Meat is from deer and wild hog

Bathe in a nearby water source. Or, you can make a hot-tub out of a moonshine coil and a tub. Hook it onto one side, fill up to top hole with water in the tub, light a fire in the middle of the coil, water heats and moves. It's like a cro-magnon hot tub.

Problem solved. Let's do it.

[Agent Ducky]

And a Hoxha temple for Ismail.
Which everyone else can vandalize and then run away from Ismail when he comes after us with a broom "YOU KIDS GET OFF MY HOXHA LAWN!"

[Ismail]

And a Hoxha temple for Ismail.
Which everyone else can vandalize and then run away from Ismail when he comes after us with a broom "YOU KIDS GET OFF MY HOXHA LAWN!"We can just recreate this: http://www.enverhoxha.ru/enver_hoxha_photogallery_30.htm

It was built by his daughter as part of the 8th Five-Year Plan of 1986-1990.

"The most unforgettable manifestation of the cult is the Enver Hoxha Museum in Tirana, a weird, futuristic building in which a small army of trained Hoxha fanatics nurse and caress the minutiae of his life."
(Misha Glenny. The Rebirth of History: Eastern Europe in the Age of Democracy. London: Penguin Books. 1990. p. 152.)

[CountryKid]

Used to be a contractor, so I could build some shit. We need pot farmers, and lots of naked men.


:thumbup1:

[The Douche]

No, no thank you, count me out.

[Искра]

http://xroads.virginia.edu/%7Eug03/bishop/sxe_site/images/3kids.jpg

I'll come with my crew and fuck up your pot shit....

[CountryKid]

^^^


Thats why we have guns.

[Искра]

http://static.nacional.hr/img/3fe5927aa63837edf8fbd420763f42fa_700x550.jpg

I'm from Croatia... I have a fucking tank in my barn. :rolleyes:

[CountryKid]

I'm from Croatia... I have a fucking tank in my barn. :rolleyes:

Im from the South.


I have a bass boat full of beer and bibles. Ill meet you halfway.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Nuvem's prediction was right.

[The Douche]

http://xroads.virginia.edu/%7Eug03/bishop/sxe_site/images/3kids.jpg

I'll come with my crew and fuck up your pot shit....

Where did you get this picture of me?

[RedSonRising]

Let's do it.

[bcbm]

would make jonestown look like paradise

[Lanky Wanker]

And a Hoxha temple for Ismail.
Which everyone else can vandalize and then run away from Ismail when he comes after us with a broom "YOU KIDS GET OFF MY HOXHA LAWN!"

LOL this makes way for a new set of Ismail-Hoxha jokes... poor Ismail.

[Lobotomy]

^^^


Thats why we have guns.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CHmmyRhogCA/TMXulsrAMwI/AAAAAAAABLE/x_kXFZpFg3U/s1600/naked+hairy+dude+with+guns.jpg

[CountryKid]

-picture-


Take away the guitars and mustache and we do look similar.

:laugh:

[Firebrand]

I imagine we'd have to spend the cash on separate compounds with armed guards and uniforms and shit for each of the tendencies, otherwise we would quickly descend into a sort of post apocalyptic nightmare with cannibals, spears made from kitchen knoives tied to sticks, scrabbling in ruins for baked beans and flames everywhere to provide a cool backdrop. And then the capitalists would make a film out of it, with a horribly predictable storyline and a wide selection of gender and racial sterotypes.


And then they would do a sequel.


And then another one.


And then a spin off TV series.


And then a spin off kids TV series.


And then there would be merchandise. There would be T-shirts, and badges, and bags, and hats, and all manner of other things with a logo that you can take home for an extortionate price.



It doesn't really bear thinking about. Lets not do it.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CHmmyRhogCA/TMXulsrAMwI/AAAAAAAABLE/x_kXFZpFg3U/s1600/naked+hairy+dude+with+guns.jpg
This is obviously Carl from Aqua Teen

[Agent Ducky]

We can just recreate this: http://www.enverhoxha.ru/enver_hoxha_photogallery_30.htm

It was built by his daughter as part of the 8th Five-Year Plan of 1986-1990.

"The most unforgettable manifestation of the cult is the Enver Hoxha Museum in Tirana, a weird, futuristic building in which a small army of trained Hoxha fanatics nurse and caress the minutiae of his life."
(Misha Glenny. The Rebirth of History: Eastern Europe in the Age of Democracy. London: Penguin Books. 1990. p. 152.)

Oh god why does this exist
Every time I make a joke about Hoxha, Ismail walks in and vindicates whatever joke I just made. Hoxhaists, man.... :blink:

[#FF0000]

i'd just arrange a bunch of rocks in a way that if you flew over them in a plane it would look like a penis.

[Ismail]

Oh god why does this existWell, it did exist. The Hoxha stuff was subsequently removed (as was the red star on top) and it was turned into a disco. Then it became a place for US aid to Albania. Then it became some cultural thing with European countries. Now its exterior is just used as a slide for kids, and the government wants to remove the whole structure as a "symbol of communism."

Which sucks, since it probably could have garnered quite a bit of tourism and, as you can see, was elaborately designed.

[Agent Ducky]

Well, it did exist. The Hoxha stuff was subsequently removed (as was the red star on top) and it was turned into a disco. Then it became a place for US aid to Albania. Then it became some cultural thing with European countries. Now its exterior is just used as a slide for kids, and the government wants to remove the whole structure as a "symbol of communism."

Which sucks, since it probably could have garnered quite a bit of tourism and, as you can see, was elaborately designed.

Is it wrong that I really want to slide down the exterior of it now?

[Ostrinski]

This would probably be really cool at first then after a while we'd get sick of each other.

[Lanky Wanker]

This would probably be really cool at first then after a while we'd get sick of each other.

Aw come on... how could you get tired of RevLeft, only in real life?

[Ismail]

Imagine arguing with DNZ... in real life.

That's how.

[Rafiq]

Imagine arguing with DNZ... in real life.

That's how.

Probably because you would lose... To anybody at that.

[sithsaber]

The Revleft commune wouldn't be that bad, after the Comisars purge 60% of the membership i'll just poison the water hole and live out the rest of my days as king of the graveyard

[Ostrinski]

Aw come on... how could you get tired of RevLeft, only in real life?Same way you get tired of your own parents, by being around them 24-7.

[Ismail]

Probably because you would lose... To anybody at that.Apparently "Orthodox Marxism" is DNZism.

of course DNZ gets 99% of his "views" from Google searches and snippets of books from Google Books. It isn't hard to debate with him, it's just hard to care about the various "isms" and words and terms and general verbiage he creates out of thin air.

Also whatever happened to you "ignoring" me?

[Lanky Wanker]

Same way you get tired of your own parents, by being around them 24-7.

Parents are boring, we're full of fun and stuff! I suppose if you like arguing with Trots it might drive you out after a week though.

[MarxSchmarx]

The land should be leased to monsanto to test whatever frankencabbage they want to test; we will put no restrictions pesky governments do.

The money made will be redistributed to revlefters. In principle, the reimbursements will happen to each according to their need, but we will have a democratic decision making process determining the financial allocation. Only then will we know who the restriction-worthy cappies in sheeps clothing trully are.

[Ostrinski]

I need a private jet and an industrial amount of pot.

[Lanky Wanker]

The money made will be redistributed to revlefters. In principle, the reimbursements will happen to each according to their need, but we will have a democratic decision making process determining the financial allocation. Only then will we know who the restriction-worthy cappies in sheeps clothing trully are.

I need a fast car, 7 bedroom house, 50 Gucci suits I'll never wear and a bunch of other crap no one really wants. I'm not a cappie at all. :sneaky:


I need a private jet and an industrial amount of pot.

For real though, I need my greens to live.

[Ostrinski]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15587558.jpg

[Lanky Wanker]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15587558.jpg

I'm confused... he doesn't look like a conservative or anything.

[Comrade Samuel]

I'm confused... he doesn't look like a conservative or anything.

It's a meme about a guy who is ment to seem like a complete prick.

As for the "revleft commune" I can only imagine that it would fail horribly due huge division between tendencies. There would be a 13 hour debate every trivial day to day issue.

[kitsune]

$100k would buy a mighty fancy banhammer.

[Lanky Wanker]

It's a meme about a guy who is ment to seem like a complete prick.

As for the "revleft commune" I can only imagine that it would fail horribly due huge division between tendencies. There would be a 13 hour debate every trivial day to day issue.

That could be a good thing though, we could have a big debate hall for it and announcements on this week's showdown.

[Rafiq]

Apparently "Orthodox Marxism" is DNZism.

Orthodox Marxism predates the existence of DNZ.


of course DNZ gets 99% of his "views" from Google searches and snippets of books from Google Books. It isn't hard to debate with him, it's just hard to care about the various "isms" and words and terms and general verbiage he creates out of thin air.


Awwww, is his language too complex for you tiny little brain to understand? And you shouldn't be talking, everything you have ever posted outside of chit chat has been some quote, some where, by a Hoxhaist, Hoxha Himself, or persons speaking about Hoxha.


Also whatever happened to you "ignoring" me?


I stopped because I see your shitty avatar anyway so there isn't a point.

[ComradeGrant]

We'd get there and Rafiq would then institute Red Terror against all restricted members and Ismail. Then we'll argue about how to bury all of them.

[Comrade Samuel]

That could be a good thing though, we could have a big debate hall for it and announcements on this week's showdown.

Or we could sit around arguing that "chopping the wood to Build the debate hall is putting us on the road to bourgeois socitiy and those who support it should be purged"

Wouldn't last a week.

[Quail]

A revleft commune would drive me insane pretty quickly. At least on the internet, I can close the tab when a thread makes me lose faith in humanity, but in real life there would be no escape.

[Nox]

We should sell the land and buy some McDonald's restaurants in the city where we can share the profits and take as many free burgers as we want.

[Agent Ducky]

We should sell the land and buy some McDonald's restaurants in the city where we can share the profits and take as many free burgers as we want.

Ewwwwwwwwwwww no.

[Ismail]

Awwww, is his language too complex for you tiny little brain to understand?No, it's just irrelevant.

[MarxSchmarx]

No, it's just irrelevant.

So what does it matter where he gets his views?

[Rafiq]

No, it's just irrelevant.

The fact you deem it irrelivent is evidence you do not understand anything he's saying. It's easy to dismiss your opponent's words as "Incomprehensable rubbish (or whatever)" instead of recognizing your own stupidity.

[Tovarisch]

I vote for building houses and growing pot! Imagine how much tourists and profits pot will bring in, so we could buy great materials and tractors! And plus, you'll get to smoke weed all day long...

[Ismail]

The fact you deem it irrelivent is evidence you do not understand anything he's saying. It's easy to dismiss your opponent's words as "Incomprehensable rubbish (or whatever)" instead of recognizing your own stupidity.Can't you just recognize that he's a delusional pseudo-theorist whose following consists of a few RevLefters?

[Red Noob]

I vote for building houses and growing pot! Imagine how much tourists and profits pot will bring in, so we could buy great materials and tractors! And plus, you'll get to smoke weed all day long...

The revolutionary Left in America.

[Rafiq]

Can't you just recognize that he's a delusional pseudo-theorist whose following consists of a few RevLefters?

That sounds a lot more like Hoxha than DNZ.

[Roach]

That sounds a lot more like Hoxha than DNZ.

you know, I can think of a few diferences between the two.

[Ismail]

That sounds a lot more like Hoxha than DNZ.Name some theories developed by Hoxha, then.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Sell the land, and divide all the money and profits. Then we all go on with our lives, because fuck that.

[The Douche]

Will you two nerds drop the Hoxha vs DNZ debate? They're both equally irrelevant.

[Red Noob]

Will you two nerds drop the Hoxha vs DNZ debate? They're both equally irrelevant.

Are you serious? You have no idea how important these kinds of debates are.

If we never settle the debates of one revolutionary vs another, or one theorist vs another, we will never, and I mean NEVER, be able to emancipate the working class and bring in a new era of socialism.

Get with reality.

[Rafiq]

Will you two nerds drop the Hoxha vs DNZ debate? They're both equally irrelevant.

There isn't a "Hoxha vs. DNZ" debate. Ismail may be trying to make it appear that way, but it's non existent.

DNZ doesn't act like some revolutionary hero. You're just about irrelivent as he is (and the rest of us).

Ismail is the only Nerd here, championing figures like one would rally around their favorite character in star wars.

[The Douche]

There isn't a "Hoxha vs. DNZ" debate. Ismail may be trying to make it appear that way, but it's non existent.

DNZ doesn't act like some revolutionary hero. You're just about irrelivent as he is (and the rest of us).

Ismail is the only Nerd here, championing figures like one would rally around their favorite character in star wars.

Dude, you're kind of a nerd.

[Rafiq]

Dude, you're kind of a nerd.

Maybe on Revleft I am... As if that means shit.

[The Douche]

Maybe on Revleft I am... As if that means shit.

First of all, posting on revleft already indicates that one is, to some degree, a nerd. Second, your language, which you apparently use in real life, definitely qualifies you for nerd status. One day you'll realize nobody cares about social-proletocracy, though...

[Nox]

Dude, you're kind of a nerd.

Nothing wrong with being a nerd ^_^

[Kitty_Paine]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/ffd/180/26f/resized/idiot-nerd-girl-meme-generator-i-love-nerdy-guys-with-abs-783fd0.jpg

[Lanky Wanker]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/ffd/180/26f/resized/idiot-nerd-girl-meme-generator-i-love-nerdy-guys-with-abs-783fd0.jpg

I'm not a nerd with abs, I'm just a weirdo with the body of a 7 year old girl... I suppose that doesn't count.

[Ismail]

Will you two nerds drop the Hoxha vs DNZ debate? They're both equally irrelevant.Hoxha led a country for a little over 40 years and had/has various international admirers.

DNZ is some guy on the internet who apologizes for Brezhnevism.

Totally alike.

[The Douche]

Hoxha led a country for a little over 40 years and had/has various international admirers.

DNZ is some guy on the internet who apologizes for Brezhnevism.

Totally alike.

I didn't say DNZ and Hoxha were equally "alike", but equally irrelevant.

Though, Hoxha, was, at one time, relevant.

[Bostana]

Imagine

XLgYAHHkPFs

[Rafiq]

First of all, posting on revleft already indicates that one is, to some degree, a nerd. Second, your language, which you apparently use in real life, definitely qualifies you for nerd status. One day you'll realize nobody cares about social-proletocracy, though...

I said I don't use this "language" casually, and, I'm always posting from Tapatalk, Revleft just passes time. So, you're wrong. No one cares about any Marxist theory, that doesn't mean it's invalid.

[Rafiq]

I didn't say DNZ and Hoxha were equally "alike", but equally irrelevant.

Though, Hoxha, was, at one time, relevant.

Explain how Bordiga was relavent in any way or at any time.

[The Douche]

Explain how Bordiga was relavent in any way or at any time.

I curious about why you chose Bordiga?

[Rafiq]

I curious about why you chose Bordiga?

Because, to me, and, perhaps to you, he was a brilliant theorist, yet he wasn't "relevant" in any way. I am trying to point out that relevance does not signify theoretical quality. Marxism isn't just about "action", it is a science. Was Bordiga claiming he wanted to lead the proletariat in an armed struggle? No. He was a scientist, as Marx was a scientist.

If you have qualms with DNZ, why don't you take a jab at attacking his theoretical material, rather than being childish and dismissing him like "Waa he's out of touch with reality". It's really a sign of Desperation at best, when users cannot argue with him.

[The Douche]

Because, to me, and, perhaps to you, he was a brilliant theorist, yet he wasn't "relevant" in any way. I am trying to point out that relevance does not signify theoretical quality. Marxism isn't just about "action", it is a science. Was Bordiga claiming he wanted to lead the proletariat in an armed struggle? No. He was a scientist, as Marx was a scientist.

If you have qualms with DNZ, why don't you take a jab at attacking his theoretical material, rather than being childish and dismissing him like "Waa he's out of touch with reality". It's really a sign of Desperation at best, when users cannot argue with him.

Bordiga doesn't really interest me that much, but he has some relevance because his ideas laid the foundations for very large movements which effected Italian politics (and to some degree the politics of other countries) for a few decades.

I won't attack his theoretical material because he is one of the most formulaic and dogmatic posters on here. Much like what you like to hate in Ismail for, if you ever say anything to DNZ, or happen across a post of his its almost always him quoting some dumb shit he made up (much like Ismail is always quoting Hoxha). If all you want to do is throw a pre-formed formula at me then I'm not going to entertain your ideas, its boring as fuck. And at least when other users do it, its a formula that has some relevance because its related to something in the real world.

But DNZ's only experience with the communist movement or the movements of the working class, is interacting with people on the internet. He's never done a day of real life revolutionary work/organizing before, and I mean, I'm no fan of the activist ghetto, but don't try and preach to me about party-alternative culture and shit if you've never even begun to participate/build in anything remotely related to it.



I know you think its cool that he uses big (made up) words, and digs up obscure events and theorists in order to support his ideas, and this makes you feel intellectually superior, and thats what you're really after, but that phase will pass. (just like your stalinist one, and your left-communist one)

[Rafiq]

Bordiga doesn't really interest me that much, but he has some relevance because his ideas laid the foundations for very large movements which effected Italian politics (and to some degree the politics of other countries) for a few decades.

Marxism is a science, like I said. It isn't always directed at sparking the fire in class based movements. Were Freud and Darwin irrelevant, too? I don't see a problem with theoretically based Marxists, and to criticize them for not "becoming activists" and "getting into the movement" is simply Moralist horse shit.


I won't attack his theoretical material because he is one of the most formulaic and dogmatic posters on here.

So basically, you lack the ability to.


Much like what you like to hate in Ismail for, if you ever say anything to DNZ, or happen across a post of his its almost always him quoting some dumb shit he made up (much like Ismail is always quoting Hoxha).

No, I distaste Ismail because of his dismissive and slanderous behavior, i.e., Anyone who disagrees with him, he will call either an apoligist for "Juche, Revisionism, Soviet Social Imperialism (for not supporting the "Afghan people" against the Soviet Union).

I oppose Ismail because his mystified world view catagorizes everyone within the constraint of Hoxhaist thought, (He'd call a Left Communist a Titoist), when certain currents of Marxism haven't crossed the mind of his dear leader.


If all you want to do is throw a pre-formed formula at me then I'm not going to entertain your ideas, its boring as fuck. And at least when other users do it, its a formula that has some relevance because its related to something in the real world.


Well, sorry structurally based Marxist thinking doesn't entertain you. Just don't go ahead and insult people for actually taking it seriously.


But DNZ's only experience with the communist movement or the movements of the working class, is interacting with people on the internet.

Even if that was true (which, evidently, you don't know), that does not negate what theoretical material he has to present to the forum.


He's never done a day of real life revolutionary work/organizing before,

That doesn't mean anything. I didn't expect you of all people to jump on the moralist bandwagon. Marxian theorists have nothing to offer, physically, to the communist movement. The Communist movement is a working class movement, (Or, at least it was) for them to lead and organize sponaniously. To think that Marxists should all grab their kalashnikovs and jump into the scene is going to change anything, is absurd. The Proletarian movement is not formed by external forces and theorists. It is entirely built based on their interests, to think it can be artificially built is an insult to them as a whole.


I mean, I'm no fan of the activist ghetto, but don't try and preach to me about party-alternative culture and shit if you've never even begun to participate/build in anything remotely related to it.


See above.



I know you think its cool that he uses big (made up) words,

:confused: I've been sympathetic with DNZ because he raises a lot of questions users here like to avoid, and lacks the eclectic mode of thinking a lot of users here have. I think it's pretty pathetic of you to dismiss me in such a way, and, I almost feel sorry for you. It must feel empowering for you to assume things about younger users when you know fuck all, anyway.


and digs up obscure events and theorists in order to support his ideas,

This is an internet forum. I'm sorry it isn't entirely composed of people talking about their personal experiences with tiny-ass movements that are, unquestionably, irrelevant. The real irrelevance is this moralist, spontaneous burst of behavior, the feeling that you "Need to do something", that "people are starving". The ultimate tragedy is that his accomplishes absolutely nothing, when an organic proletarian movement hasn't arisen in response to material conditions, rather than cmoney running around with signs, or trying to convert people. At least people like DNZ acknowledge he isn't affecting the class-based movement at all. What saddens me is people like you who think they are.


and this makes you feel intellectually superior,

I get at what you are assuming.


Cmoney's thoughts in regards to an explanation as to why I don't bash DNZ:

My goal is to feel intellectually superior, so here comes this guy who apparently spouts out all of this pretentious, yet bizzare and obscure posts with "big words", and, if I adhere to him and worship him, perhaps I could be that way too, unlike other users, who do not use big words?


and thats what you're really after, but that phase will pass. (just like your stalinist one, and your left-communist one)


The days of "phases" are over for me. Between aproxemently the first six months I was all over the place (After all, learning Marxist theory is not easy, especially when all of your books are taken and burned, when all sorts of fucked up shit are going on in real life).

There was never a real, structurally-solid Left Communist "phase" for me. I started out as an Anti Imperialist "Marxist Leninist", and adhered to Council Communism because I was a Utopian and thought it sounded cool.

Big fucking deal.

I haven't "found a new shiny gem" and scrapped those two. I've scrapped all forms of Libertarianism and council-fetishes, though, I still have minor Stalinist and some Left Communist influences in my mode of thinking (I concur with their analysis of Imperialism, Bordiga's works on Democracy, class dictatorship, violence, etc., though I also agree with the Stalinist concepts of Militant Egalitarianism, of purging all forms of bourgeois "free speech", the concept of a strong Transitional socialist state, etc.).

The only difference now is that I'm not a tool of any current of Marxist thought (As I recognize today, most are opportunists who have bastardized Marxism).

Cmoney, your assumptions, your analysis and explanation as to what my thoughts are, how I think, and how I will think, are absolutely pathetic and laughable. It's almost as bad as those who say I have a violence fetish personally. I don't what your political views are, and why, and I am prepared to admit that. I'm not going to go and assume something I pulled out of my ass based on a quick glance from one of your posts. Can you say the same about others?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

This might work, we'd have to construct a couple simple bunk houses. Then we'd have to set up some farms. Preferably growing some psychedelic cash crops and Some corn as well (for food). Then we'd need to buy weapons for the Revlefters who don't have any (I've got one). After that we'd just have to keep trying to expand our farm.

[The Douche]

I don't know why I started into this shit. You're probably right, Rafiq, I was a little to hard on you, I apologize.

[Ele'ill]

Yeah let's avoid flaming in a thread about what would happen in real life if we were all in a giant casino bonfire or whatever the fuck it's about

[ColonelCossack]

There'd be too many tendency wars. We'd massacre each other. All teh Stalinizt admins would purge teh M-Ls!!!!!111!!!

[Red Noob]

yea.... a RevLeft commune would definitely not work...