East European versus English

[Arlekino]

Right from where I should start. I do regret leaving my country but I seems tried to be happy living in foreign country with English husband. As my partner of course speaking perfect English and I don't have such as good quality of English to express myself. There is more to that most of English society classified us from 3rd world that mean we are little less cleaver than them and because we don't sad in right time "Thanks and Please" we ignorant, fucking hate this.
Also some English people don't hesitate to speak out to me abuse verbal languages towards other nationalities, it is shame about that.
Please England don't take this too personal I meet good people in England is not all England like that.
Thanks

[thriller]

Sorry, but are you referring to people from England, or English speakers in general?

[Arlekino]

From England.

[Nicolai]

I'm confused over what you're actually asking/stating. Is your thread to raise concern over how the English people view immigrants, or are you afraid you're going to get discriminated against? Or did you imply to present something else?

Also, is this a specific gender issue, rather then just plain discrimination (since if not then this is posted in the wrong sub-forum XD).

[TheRedAnarchist23]

From what i hear english people are all nationalists.

[Искра]

From what i hear english people are all nationalists.
This is pretty much a stupid statemant.

On topic... I have relative who moved from Serbia to UK. Good thing for her is that she speeks perfect (Oxford) English, so she doesn't have a problems such as OP when it comes to language etc. But she does have certain problems when it comes to her lastname and name. She works in bank and she couldn't get a raise or promotion, because of her name which is why she changed her name and lastname in English variant. Her husbant and children also.

[Arlekino]

I'm confused over what you're actually asking/stating. Is your thread to raise concern over how the English people view immigrants, or are you afraid you're going to get discriminated against? Or did you imply to present something else?

Also, is this a specific gender issue, rather then just plain discrimination (since if not then this is posted in the wrong sub-forum XD).
As myself woman I wrote in Woman struggles forums but yes those things can be in any case. I am sure migrant workers got problems or is only me?

[GoddessCleoLover]

It is certainly not only you, it must be difficult to be a migrant worker during these times of economic decline.

[Arlekino]

Sorry for double post.
I hearing almost every single day abusing words towards others nationalities in pubs, streets I hate to admit but majority showing heatred towards other nationalities are older All I can hear it East Europenans take our jobs, or Asians well it too nasty worlds I would not even bother to write.
Is not complain just a thoughts about migrant workers living abroad and of course I most of sipmathetical to womans.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Ive worked with many ppl from eastern europe. Balts, bulguarians, slovaks, serbs, polacks and rumanians and im sad tosa y that many of my swedish co-workers talked behind theire backs and said some nasty stuff. They also blamed 'them' to lowering the standard wages in Sweden and that we should try to stop them from comming over here. I tried to explain that first, stopping them from comming over here isnt realistic since we are part of the EU so forget that. And second, that its much better to organize evrybody in the union, since then we will stop the wage dumping for both 'swedes' and 'estern european' workers.

[Arlekino]

ThanksTovarish Mike for been supporting. Well is not only east Europeans I meet Spanish girl she working like slave in kitchen she is cooker, cleaner, painter decorator for lower wages, pay high rent is fucking sucking life, also today I talked Romanian girl she is selling ( issue journal) standing all day outside she only probalby earning few pounds

the is another side I do understand English society some lost jobs because of us, but bllame capitalism not people. I just can't stand such exploitation of people.
My boss told me English people lazy but his in wrong he don't want to exploit English workers so lets exploit foreigner and woman.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Exactly! Blame capitalism! thats the system that has destroyed the life of so many people all aroud the world. Making them desperat and moving to countries like UK where the bosses will take opportunity of theire desperasie and exploite them.

The bosses here in Sweden say the same, that native workers are lazy, not true. but we do have standards, meaning that if something isnt ok we will say it and if we are tired we will take a break because we are humans with dignity.

[thriller]

After reading through this thread it's crazy how much nationality and race/language distort people's views of humanity. I thought this issue was mainly raised in the US because of our long history of slavery and immigration, but it's in every capitalist country. Not that I was unaware of racism in other countries, but I thought in Europe it wouldn't be as common, considering the closeness of the countries to each other.

[Nox]

Pretty much everyone I know always rants about the Polish etc, it's amazing how nobody stops for a second and thinks maybe the system itself is the problem, not migration

[The Young Pioneer]

I have to second what Comrade Mike said, except with experience in Finland. I lived in a kind of "immigrant village" (I'm not East. European, but certainly not Finnish either lol). And a lot of them experienced discrimination for not speaking Finnish or English. What was really upsetting is that they even experienced it among each other. There were Russians who hated the Indians, etc. etc. And the majority of people in Finland regardless of nationality really hate the "gypsies." (I believe these were for the most part Roma immigrants who sold flowers on bus stations and such.) This was why I wasn't surprised to learn Finland was blocking Romania last year from becoming a Schengen member. Gotta love capitalism.

I'm sorry you're having a tough time with your move, OP. Maybe you can find a community of people who immigrated from the same place as you? That seemed to help those in Finland who faced prejudice.


(And if anyone's curious how I was treated, I'm pale and blonde and don't speak unless I have to, so everyone assumed I was a native. :D )

[Rooster]

After reading through this thread it's crazy how much nationality and race/language distort people's views of humanity. I thought this issue was mainly raised in the US because of our long history of slavery and immigration, but it's in every capitalist country. Not that I was unaware of racism in other countries, but I thought in Europe it wouldn't be as common, considering the closeness of the countries to each other.

I'm pretty sure that Hitler was from somewhere in Europe... but yeah, it's pretty bad in some places. I don't think England is the worse but even I, someone with a Scottish accent who lives on the same island, gets a great deal of hassle just because I'm from up north. Some of the Scandinavian countries are pretty bad for it from what I hear. I was driving through Switzerland a few years back and they had big billboards up on the side of the road saying something about evil foreigners, and the image on it was one of the racist sort of Jew ones you'd see from nazi Germany, warning about Eastern Europeans.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

@ !thriller!

Im sad to say, No. Anti-immigration racism has grown here in Europe the the last years and many racist parties have now entered our parlaments. And here in Sweden i have to admit that we do also have a history of racism against our neighbors around the baltic sea. Actually, Europe is probably the most non-peaceful continet in the last 2000 years. It has been constant wars frome the days of the romans until the civil war in Yugoslavia.


@ Nox

Its kind of strange that in evry country its always polacks who get be targeted harder.


@ Comrad Liza

Yeah ive seen that to, classical divide and conquer. Bulgarians didnt like estonians or rumanian and the slovaks hated the polacks. Thees guys didnt have any shelter to eat theire lunches in, or change clothes, neither did they have acces to water, they didnt have the same safty equipment as we have adn on top of this they just got half the salary that we had!

I talked to my union on how to handle this situation (this is a reformistic soc-dem union).
They knew about this and said that the migrant workers worked for different labour hiring companies in theire own countries and just hired them to the company in Sweden. Therefor they said that there was nothing to do since they could reach to the 'official' employers. This is the bosses dream and the EU:s real intention with theire talk about flexibility for its citizens. More about an easier way to move chepa labour around the continent.

[Decolonize The Left]

Sorry for double post.
I hearing almost every single day abusing words towards others nationalities in pubs, streets I hate to admit but majority showing heatred towards other nationalities are older All I can hear it East Europenans take our jobs, or Asians well it too nasty worlds I would not even bother to write.
Is not complain just a thoughts about migrant workers living abroad and of course I most of sipmathetical to womans.

Yes, unfortunately, much of the working class identifies according to nationalist lines. Hence they view their exploited position as partially the result of foreigners taking jobs, lowering wages, etc... This is a result of the capitalist state both securing its geographic hegemony as well as keeping the working class divided and weak.

I am very sorry to hear that you are experiencing difficulties in England. I can assure you that nationalist bigotry exists across the globe, you are not alone. Good luck to you with your job and new cultural surroundings.

- August