Aliens are among us--seriously

[Tim Cornelis]

Aliens are among us. Now, I know what you're thinking "oh gawd, here we go again with the crazy conspiracy theories, those people who sighted UFOs are always hillbillies, drug addicts, and drunk and crazy people". At least, that's roughly what I believed 1:30 hour ago.

Do I believe that aliens are among us? Not really, but there is tons of evidence pointing towards super advanced technology being used around the world in the skies. And it's not your average crazy person who testifies to this, it's government officials, dozens of people in Arizona who saw the same thing as well as the governor of Arizona and the government itself who acknowledged it was a UFO (in the sense they did not know what it was, not as in an alien aircraft) in one particular instance, police officers, at least two astronauts, pilots, military personnel, and many sightings were reported not by multiple witnesses confirming the same not by lone-identifiers so to speak. See for yourself, it's an interesting documentary, even if you're skeptical like me:

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[Hexen]

I stopped reading at "History Channel".

[Tim Cornelis]

I stopped reading at "History Channel".

I did too at first, but watch it, trust me, it's really interesting.

[Rafiq]

:rolleyes:

This is a new low.

[Comrade Samuel]

I've always believed that there could be intelligent life out there, in an infinately expanding universe how could there not? the history channel turned from a nice place to watch WWII documentaries to shows pawn shops and nut jobs ranting about aliens. Since that huge change in programming I almost found it more entertaining to watch Glenn Beck just because you'd be getting the same level of inconsistency and stupidity without flashing pictures of "aliens" giving you a sizure.

I predict there will be little debate over this.

[gorillafuck]

as far as television goes, conspiracy theories and cryptozoology are are what I live for.

[SHORAS]

UFO's when they're not optical illusions, to do with the weather and so on in rare instances are simply those crazy things we call flying machines. Sometimes test flights or the latest military prototypes and so on. Here's a conspiracy for ya, where do you think UFO's are most common? In and around military bases? Suuuureellyyy not....

[Hexen]

http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg

[Tim Cornelis]

UFO's when they're not optical illusions, to do with the weather and so on in rare instances are simply those crazy things we call flying machines. Sometimes test flights or the latest military prototypes and so on. Here's a conspiracy for ya, where do you think UFO's are most common? In and around military bases? Suuuureellyyy not....

Obviously. Like it is said in the documentary (which you did not watch) 95% of sightings are false (weather balloons, meteorites, etc.), 5% is unsolved and of that 5% of a good proportion will be military technology. But the highly advanced technology witnessed by government, military, police, and citizens as documented in this documentary does not seem to be consistent with this. Yes, it may be military technology, but it is incredibly advanced--just watch the documentary.

Also I would like to highlight the 'Arizona' incident in Phoenix. Thousands of people see the same flying U-shaped object of incredible size hovering without making sound and then accelerating into the horizon at incredible speed. Thousands of people independently verify this and it lead to what was described as hysteria among the people in that particular town. The governor addressed the people by making a joke. He acknowledged, though, that the military too had observed the object, he met with his general and other officials and none of them knew what it was--i.e. a UFO. Could it be military technology and that the governor is lying to protect confidential technology? Sure, but it would be incredibly advanced technology. If even the government is acknowledging there was indeed a UFO, how then can y'all be so narrow minded?

[SHORAS]

Let's play a game:

1. It's advanced technology which the bourgeoisie are holding back as they try to maintain their tight grip on us all. Honest guv.

2. It's advanced technology/knowledge from a previous society long since passed. (I think some elements of the Nazi's were into this one)

3. It's beings from another planet.

4. Something to do with time travel.

Can you pick the least mental?

1,2,3 or 4?

[Revolutionair]

http://i.imgur.com/TSLbk.jpg

[Tim Cornelis]

Ok, so y'all don't like history channel, which is understandable. Then take discovery channel:

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Shortly after the lights, Arizona Governor Fife Symington III held a press conference, stating that "they found who was responsible". He proceeded to make light of the situation by bringing his aide on stage dressed in an alien costume. (Dateline, NBC). But in March 2007, Symington said that he had witnessed one of the "crafts of unknown origin" during the 1997 event, although he did not go public with the information.[24][25][26][27] In an interview with The Daily Courier in Prescott, Arizona, Symington said, "I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people. I don't know why people would ridicule it".[28] Symington had earlier said, "It was enormous and inexplicable. Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too. It was dramatic. And it couldn't have been flares because it was too symmetrical. It had a geometric outline, a constant shape.[29]

Symington also noted that he requested information from the commander of Luke Air Force Base, the general of the National Guard, and the head of the Department of Public Safety. But none of the officials he contacted had an answer for what had happened, and were also perplexed.[29] Later, he responded to an Air Force explanation that the lights were flares: "As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation".

(source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights))

Now, can someone tell me what the fuck that was? A solid object hovering over a city that cannot be identified without any apparent engines that is far more advanced than any known man-made technology.

It may be secret military technology, it may be extraterrestrial, but both seem (highly) implausible for different reasons.

[Ocean Seal]

POSADAS get in the anti-capitalist pod because socialism in one galaxy is impossible.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I bet Earth is just a reality TV show

What if it gets canceled

[GoddessCleoLover]

I agree with a point that I believe came from Stephen Hawking to the effect that if aliens ever do interact with us the interaction will probably not be very pleasant for us, due to a number of factors including disease transmission.

[gorillafuck]

I bet Earth is just a reality TV show

What if it gets canceledthat was an episode of south park.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

that was an episode of south park.
Thanks for ruining the joke :(

[Drosophila]

History Channel - HUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHUEEHUEHEUEHEUEHEH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights#First_event_2

[Krano]

http://localhostr.com/file/bI8gfPO/ancient-aliens-meme-blank-i14.jpg

[CommunityBeliever]

The military has all kinds of secret technologies that are way ahead of what is available on the market. In fact, most of the technologies that we have today like computers, the Internet, nuclear power, spacecraft, etc were originally developed by secretive state agencies. Those people who actually saw a UFO at some point most certainly actually saw a vessel from a secret military project and not something extraterrestrial in origin.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

History Channel used to be my shit . . . before I developed a brain and turned to Comedy Central.

At least Comedy Central's bullshit is funny.:laugh:

[heyjoe]

the same channel that predicts continuously the end of the world from ten different cataclyzms.

if the mayans were so good at knowing when the world would end, why didnt they see their own end coming?

[CountryKid]

Pretty sure its them darn Nazi flying saucers again, flying from Argentina.

[El Chuncho]

I've always believed that there could be intelligent life out there, in an infinately expanding universe how could there not?

Indeed. The thought that there is no life out there somewhere is pretty faulty as an infinite galaxy would imply infinite life. Why would man be the only intelligent life in the whole universe? That is nonsense.

However, this does not mean that aliens have visited here and it annoys me that people seem to confuse the claim that intelligent life exists elsewhere with a claim that intelligent life has visited us. It is quite likely that we'll never meet any other life out there in the universe due to how long travel in space would be.

[Tim Cornelis]

the same channel that predicts continuously the end of the world from ten different cataclyzms.

if the mayans were so good at knowing when the world would end, why didnt they see their own end coming?

"Newton's theory of gravity? That's stupid since it comes from the same man who believed in something ridiculous as alchemy".

Instead of throwing around such fallacies, could you tell me what you think the object seen flying over Phoenix was?


The military has all kinds of secret technologies that are way ahead of what is available on the market. In fact, most of the technologies that we have today like computers, the Internet, nuclear power, spacecraft, etc were originally developed by secretive state agencies. Those people who actually saw a UFO at some point most certainly actually saw a vessel from a secret military project and not something extraterrestrial in origin.

Sure, the vast vast vast majority of sightings are wrong, and some will certainly be secret military technology, the problem is though, how advanced is the military in that regard, and how come the military leaders in Arizona had no idea what the object was?


Shortly after the lights, Arizona Governor Fife Symington III held a press conference, stating that "they found who was responsible". He proceeded to make light of the situation by bringing his aide on stage dressed in an alien costume. (Dateline, NBC). But in March 2007, Symington said that he had witnessed one of the "crafts of unknown origin" during the 1997 event, although he did not go public with the information.[24][25][26][27] In an interview with The Daily Courier in Prescott, Arizona, Symington said, "I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people. I don't know why people would ridicule it".[28] Symington had earlier said, "It was enormous and inexplicable. Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too. It was dramatic. And it couldn't have been flares because it was too symmetrical. It had a geometric outline, a constant shape.[29]

Symington also noted that he requested information from the commander of Luke Air Force Base, the general of the National Guard, and the head of the Department of Public Safety. But none of the officials he contacted had an answer for what had happened, and were also perplexed.[29]


Indeed. The thought that there is no life out there somewhere is pretty faulty as an infinite galaxy would imply infinite life. Why would man be the only intelligent life in the whole universe? That is nonsense.

However, this does not mean that aliens have visited here and it annoys me that people seem to confuse the claim that intelligent life exists elsewhere with a claim that intelligent life has visited us. It is quite likely that we'll never meet any other life out there in the universe due to how long travel in space would be.

The universe is not infinite, since it's expanding (something infinite cannot expand). But yeah, there are in each galaxy millions if not billions of stars most with planets orbiting around them, there are thus millions of planets in each galaxy with many of these able to harbor life. Then there are millions of galaxies, so there is no doubt there is intelligent life out there. But how far away are they? And will we ever meet?

I think we will, one day, meet other civilisations (or intelligent life) seeing how humanity has only existed for, what, 300,000 years? And we still have millions of years of advancement ahead of us, imagine the technological developments we can make in those millions of years on this planet.

[Renegade Saint]

Now, can someone tell me what the fuck that was? A solid object hovering over a city that cannot be identified without any apparent engines that is far more advanced than any known man-made technology.
That's not the way it works chief. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This video isn't it.

This is my guess for any "mysterious lights" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morristown_UFO_hoax

Incidentally, I had already been reading skeptic blogs and such when these things first occurred, and skeptics (correctly) called bullshit. But the local mainstream media still gave it credence.

[Tim Cornelis]

That's not the way it works chief. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This video isn't it.

This is my guess for any "mysterious lights" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morristown_UFO_hoax

Incidentally, I had already been reading skeptic blogs and such when these things first occurred, and skeptics (correctly) called bullshit. But the local mainstream media still gave it credence.

I was simply inquiring into the nature of the phenomenon ("can someone tell me what the fuck that was?"). I was not saying: I don't know what it was, therefore it must have been aliens--which would be an argument from ignorance. And it wasn't lights alone btw, it was a solid boomerang shaped object. I simply cannot comprehend what the fuck it could possibly be, hence the question.

[The Young Pioneer]

Goti's defending the calendar theory of Mayan apocalyptic prediction?

So, you believe history channel about alien visitation AND you've got a 2012 bunker in your backyard? Say goodbye to your credibility, bro.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Let's do this...


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[Tim Cornelis]

Goti's defending the calendar theory of Mayan apocalyptic prediction?

So, you believe history channel about alien visitation AND you've got a 2012 bunker in your backyard? Say goodbye to your credibility, bro.

No, just no. First, I never said anything related to Mayans, I simply pointed out a fallacy in someone's reasoning. If someone says X, which is dumb or false, it does not mean that when he says Y it is also false, by that logic gravity does not exist as Newton believed in alchemy. Something you do not seem to comprehend. Second, I am not saying aliens visited earth, the title was supposed to lure people in.

I am simply unable to comprehend what that object could be, and you are too, since you cannot explain what it was, can you?


So, you believe history channel

No shitface, listen. You are so fucking narrow minded you reject something beforehand without even bothering to look into the sources I provided to you and you get stuck at "history channel" based on a fallacy, while I also provided Discovery Channel as well as other sources.

I do not believe what history channel says, I believe what the evidence says, and the evidence says there was an unidentified (no one knows what it was) flying (it was in the air) fucking (for emphasis) object (obviously), which is something you cannot deny.

So let me post this non-history channel source again, because you cannot get passed it.


Shortly after the lights, Arizona Governor Fife Symington III held a press conference, stating that "they found who was responsible". He proceeded to make light of the situation by bringing his aide on stage dressed in an alien costume. (Dateline, NBC). But in March 2007, Symington said that he had witnessed one of the "crafts of unknown origin" during the 1997 event, although he did not go public with the information.[24][25][26][27] In an interview with The Daily Courier in Prescott, Arizona, Symington said, "I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people. I don't know why people would ridicule it".[28] Symington had earlier said, "It was enormous and inexplicable. Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too. It was dramatic. And it couldn't have been flares because it was too symmetrical. It had a geometric outline, a constant shape.[29]

Symington also noted that he requested information from the commander of Luke Air Force Base, the general of the National Guard, and the head of the Department of Public Safety. But none of the officials he contacted had an answer for what had happened, and were also perplexed.[29]

And since you are saying it was not a UFO, I suppose you are the only person in the world who publicly does know what it is.

[Renegade Saint]

I was simply inquiring into the nature of the phenomenon ("can someone tell me what the fuck that was?"). I was not saying: I don't know what it was, therefore it must have been aliens--which would be an argument from ignorance. And it wasn't lights alone btw, it was a solid boomerang shaped object. I simply cannot comprehend what the fuck it could possibly be, hence the question.

I guess I was mislead by your thread title "aliens are among us-seriously".

That 3 minute video from discovery channel was absolutely just lights. And the fact that the lights changed their position in the formation in the video make the idea of weather balloons and flares seem very reasonable.

Maybe you cannot comprehend a boomerang-shaped object flying through the sky, but I can.
http://future-weapons.org/images/b2.jpg

[Tim Cornelis]

I guess I was mislead by your thread title "aliens are among us-seriously".

That 3 minute video from discovery channel was absolutely just lights. And the fact that the lights changed their position in the formation in the video make the idea of weather balloons and flares seem very reasonable.

Maybe you cannot comprehend a boomerang-shaped object flying through the sky, but I can.

There were two incidents, one was the lights which turned out to be flares disappearing behind the mountain, the other was a boomerang shaped object with lights. Now, I watched the first minute of the documentary and I already replied in the comment section of the video "these sightings are just B-2 bombers" (which you posted as well), but I was forced to retract that statement and deleted that comment when they started talking about the size of the boomerang shaped object, one witness said (paraphrasing) "to those who say it was a B-2 I say we could fit all our 40 b-2 bombers on the wing of that object".

Here is the exact moment: youtube.com/watch?v=6kEoCw84noU#t=1m35s

In the discovery channel video there are two incidents described, the video at the beginning on the right are the flares, on the left is the flying object.

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In this discovery channel part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2wLVRVKWAg), the lights are debunked as being flares, but not the flying object.

Here: youtube.com/watch?v=5zSxG6DffOo#t=4m02s there is a simulation, which indicates the immense size of the observed object. It's a lil' bigger than your b-2 spirit!

So it's clearly not a B-2 spirit. Weather balloons, I do not know enough about them, but could they be within a boomerang shaped object?

EDIT: I doubt it's weather balloons, I mean why would there be a massive object surrounding it that moved horizontally?

[Renegade Saint]

Ah, you're relying on eye-witness testimony. That's your problem. Science isn't done on eye-witness testimony. It's notoriously unreliable. It's not testable, it's not repeatable, and it's not falsifiable. Don't even bother coming to the table with "witnesses", because it won't get you anywhere.

[Tim Cornelis]

Ah, you're relying on eye-witness testimony. That's your problem. Science isn't done on eye-witness testimony. It's notoriously unreliable. It's not testable, it's not repeatable, and it's not falsifiable. Don't even bother coming to the table with "witnesses", because it won't get you anywhere.

True, but we're not engaging in science but in speculation about the nature of the object.

[Tim Cornelis]

I would also like to point out that there is actually radar data of the object.

A witness described how he saw a flying object which fits the description of the 1997-ufo (immensely large, not shiny black coloured, etc.).

This witness' report has been validated by the Federal Aviation Administration's data (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Administration):

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Watch here:

youtube.com/watch?v=6kEoCw84noU#t=68m01s

[#FF0000]

hey im not one of those ufo people but uh v. recently the gov't did release a document that said they found an unidentified flying object in arizona and 3 ft tall bodies inside it.

they also released one about how to decode extra-terrestrial messages.

I think these are the documents I'm talking about..

http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/view

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

[Tim Cornelis]

hey im not one of those ufo people but uh v. recently the gov't did release a document that said they found an unidentified flying object in arizona and 3 ft tall bodies inside it.

they also released one about how to decode extra-terrestrial messages.

I think these are the documents I'm talking about..

http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/view

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

Three 3ft tall bodies recovered from a crashed UFO...? :mellow: That is highly unlikely. I honestly cannot believe that actually happened. Why would they report that though?

Regarding outer-space transmissions (as well as the other story), I would like a modern confirmation or update, though these are unlikely to exist, on whether they were actually real.

[El Chuncho]

The universe is not infinite, since it's expanding (something infinite cannot expand).

Depends on the theories you believe about the universe. Many scholars agree that space infinite (but not necessarily ''universe'' as the two are not necessarily synonymous). We often use ''infinite'' to refer to the universe but that may, indeed, not be true. Although what is universe expanding into? Space (in this context, a vacuum with nothing in it). In fact, you could argue that the universe is not expanding, the mass within our universe is merely growing.

The universe might be finite thus ''expanding'' into itself; much like a circle or a ball. So if we were to travel the entire length of space...we'd find ourselves back at the point in which we started!

Of course, many people use different semantics and refer ''space'' as every galaxy, every star, etc. and the ''universe'' as that which space expands into, so it can get somewhat confusing at times.



But yeah, there are in each galaxy millions if not billions of stars most with planets orbiting around them, there are thus millions of planets in each galaxy with many of these able to harbor life. Then there are millions of galaxies, so there is no doubt there is intelligent life out there. But how far away are they? And will we ever meet?

"Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve around these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds." - Bruno, 'On the Infinite Universe and Worlds'

They are very far away to say the least! The closest planet with life might be in the Alpha Centauri system which is 4.24ly from our Sun, so it would take a long time for any spacecraft to travel from there to our planet.


I think we will, one day, meet other civilisations (or intelligent life) seeing how humanity has only existed for, what, 300,000 years? And we still have millions of years of advancement ahead of us, imagine the technological developments we can make in those millions of years on this planet.

Although it might be unlikely, I am not willing to rule that out because we have a long way to go yet and, who knows, maybe another planet will have more advanced technology than we do. But we should not really hang on a prayer or it to happen. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen...

[Tim Cornelis]

Although what is space expanding into? The universe (in this context, everything that exists). In fact, you could argue that the universe is not expanding, the space within our universe is merely growing.

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Complex stuff man...

[GoddessCleoLover]

Professor Hawking has warned us that if we are ever visited by aliens we may not emerge from the encounter in very good shape as a species. Less developed species tend to suffer from interactions with those more advanced, don't they?

[Le Rouge]

Professor Hawking has warned us that if we are ever visited by aliens we may not emerge from the encounter in very good shape as a species. Less developed species tend to suffer from interactions with those more advanced, don't they?

Yup. Just look at how we treat animals.

[Tim Cornelis]

Professor Hawking has warned us that if we are ever visited by aliens we may not emerge from the encounter in very good shape as a species. Less developed species tend to suffer from interactions with those more advanced, don't they?

We don't need a Stephen Hawking to tell us that, it's quite common sensical that this may happen. May, because it may no be so. Currently, many are trying to preserve the undiscovered tribes in the Amazone.

For example, if we humans advance to the degree we can explore different advanced civilisations in our galaxy, how would we treat those other civilisations? With utter care I believe. We could completely purge ourselves or technology of earthly bacteria in some sort of vacuum before landing, or establish a moon base from which we seek contact (if they have advanced to the degree they have their own space program already).

If extraterrestrials are anything like us in that sense, they would consider this.

[Zav]

Professor Hawking has warned us that if we are ever visited by aliens we may not emerge from the encounter in very good shape as a species. Less developed species tend to suffer from interactions with those more advanced, don't they?
We humans do tend to treat ''less evolved'' species pretty horribly. Hopefully an alien species capable of space travel would be intelligent enough to have achieved Communism or something similar. I'd rather not have Nazi alien overlords (awesome video game idea, though).

[Le Rouge]

http://wanderingamericantravelblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/hurr-durr-derp-face-i-dont-know-therefore-aliens.jpg?w=500

[kitsune]

Not to worry. If television has taught me anything, it's that in the event of hostile alien attack all we need to do is assemble a team of flying cyborg ninja schoolgirls.

[SHORAS]

hey im not one of those ufo people but uh v. recently the gov't did release a document that said they found an unidentified flying object in arizona and 3 ft tall bodies inside it.

they also released one about how to decode extra-terrestrial messages.

I think these are the documents I'm talking about..

http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/view

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf


The gov did not do what you said, read it more closely.

[#FF0000]

The gov did not do what you said, read it more closely.

yeah apparently the 2nd one isn't the document i was thinking of.

EDIT: and now I can't find it. I guess I must have been looking at the "EXTRATERRESTRIAL MESSAGES" one but I p. distinctly remember reading a couple page document where they were like "yeah dogg we got some extraterrestrial messages" in a really strange and matter-of-fact manner.

oh well

[PC LOAD LETTER]

yeah apparently the 2nd one isn't the document i was thinking of.

EDIT: and now I can't find it. I guess I must have been looking at the "EXTRATERRESTRIAL MESSAGES" one but I p. distinctly remember reading a couple page document where they were like "yeah dogg we got some extraterrestrial messages" in a really strange and matter-of-fact manner.

oh well
The last three pages of the second PDF you posted say exactly that and report their 'translation' of the message.

I have a sneaking suspicion the second one was a training exercise or something, though, because it doesn't say a date or time or anything other than "we received a message and it did XYZ and here's our translation attempt"

[#FF0000]

I have a sneaking suspicion the second one was a training exercise or something, though, because it doesn't say a date or time or anything other than "we received a message and it did XYZ and here's our translation attempt"

The key is to another document called EXTRATERRESTRIAL COMMUNICATION which is set up like a word problem. I'm pretty sure it's a training exercise now.

[CommunityBeliever]

Sure, the vast vast vast majority of sightings are wrong, and some will certainly be secret military technology, the problem is though, how advanced is the military in that regard, and how come the military leaders in Arizona had no idea what the object was?What makes you think the military leaders didn't know what the object was? If they knew the details of vessel from a secret military project they certainly wouldn't go around talking about it. Every UFO can be effectively explained as either a hoax, a hallucination, or a military project.

Although we live in a vast universe, which probably contains aliens civilisations, those civilisations are probably so many light-years away from us that they don't even know about us, and if they do they probably can't reach us. Since human civilisation is only about 10,000 years old, any alien civilisation more then 10,000 light-years away from us will see just another uncivilised planet. There are probably millions of uncivilised planets around the galaxy, so our planet will seem uninteresting. Then even if there is an alien civilisation that knows about us, it will still take them years to reach us because everything in our universe travels at fractions of the speed of light.

[Renegade Saint]

True, but we're not engaging in science but in speculation about the nature of the object.
Well then I've lost interest. Have fun.

[#FF0000]

Since human civilisation is only about 10,000 years old, any alien civilisation more then 10,000 light-years away from us will see just another uncivilised planet. There are probably millions of uncivilised planets around the galaxy, so our planet will seem uninteresting. Then even if there is an alien civilisation that knows about us, it will still take them years to reach us because everything in our universe travels at fractions of the speed of light.

imagine a dozen planets like ours with aliens as intelligent as us on it existing concurrently with none of them knowing about any of the others

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[Nox]

imagine a dozen planets like ours with aliens as intelligent as us on it existing concurrently with none of them knowing about any of the others

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That's much closer to reality than you think...

[Metacomet]

Professor Hawking has warned us that if we are ever visited by aliens we may not emerge from the encounter in very good shape as a species. Less developed species tend to suffer from interactions with those more advanced, don't they?

I think the best way to look at it is ants and humans.

Ants have a complex society. But we still look at them as simply beneath us. We don't necessarily hate them, we might be curious, but they are still not on our level. We don't get to upset about stepping on them, we sweep them away, we spray them.............Doesn't end well for the ants.


We gotta bring Mulder and Scully out of retirement to find out what's going on!

I've also always wondered why these UFOs always have glowing lights. Is the Space Shuttle covered in glowing lights? Why make a space ship covered with them? And why do they personally visit us. Why not robots? probes?

[GoddessCleoLover]

Good analogy and precisely the point made by Prof. Hawking. Even if they don't hate us, we will seem as inferior to them as ants do to us and the outcome would likely be tragic for the human race.

[Nox]

Why do people always assume aliens will be more advanced than us?

[daft punk]

In the past I really wanted to believe that some sightings were real, eg the Rendlesham forest incident or the one where French fighter pilots were chased by an object. And many prominent people do take it seriously eg in France.

But I was watching a physics programme the other day with several leading young physicists, and they were asked about aliens. I was a bit disappointed that they just laughed it off as nonsense.

So I am back on the fence. There isn't much evidence, nothing really solid. They haven't landed and wandered around, or left a note even.

However only one report needs to be true, and things like the French pilots just cant be explained. The pilots literally thought they were under attack and the object chased them while they took evasive action, vanished, and then came back.

[daft punk]

http://www.openminds.tv/french-ufo-report-081610/

New French aerospace report endorses reality of UFOs (http://www.openminds.tv/french-ufo-report-081610/)



A new French report released on May 31, 2010 concluded that UFOs are definitely real and possibly of extraterrestrial origin. While not an official government study, the Progress Report of the Sigma/3AF Commission comes from a highly credible source, the Aeronautical & Astronomical Association of France, known as the 3AF, which established a Commission on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena back in May 2008. The Commission’s President is Alain Boudier, a former French Economics attaché, and one of its key members is Jean-Gabriel Greslé, a former fighter pilot who studied at the U.S. Air Force Academy and later became an airliner pilot with Air France, where he experienced a couple of UFO sightings. Greslé has published three UFO books in France, including Unidentified Flying Objects: An Airline Pilot Talks (Guy Trédaniel, 1993).

[Rusty Shackleford]

hitlers secret victory bunker spacecraft blueprints co-penned by stalins secret bodyguards during secret negotiations about the partitioning of space

[Jimmie Higgins]

I agree with a point that I believe came from Stephen Hawking to the effect that if aliens ever do interact with us the interaction will probably not be very pleasant for us, due to a number of factors including disease transmission.Hawking's argument makes me want to push his chair over. Disease transmission is a reasonable fear, but intergalactic imperialism seems more than a bit unconvincing to me. Conjecturing that aliens might be interested in conquest and stealing resources from other societies is not only anthropomorphic (I don't know if that term can be applied to aliens lol) in that it's putting human traits onto some being who would have developed in totally different and unknowable circumstances, but it also associates the hypothetical actions of aliens with specific actions of humans in a kind of society that has only existed for a relatively short time. His argument views a different way is that Europeans killed people in the Americas, stole land and resources, because of some kind of natural inherent drive of species. Unless human flesh is the best tasting thing in the galaxy I find it doubtful that any being who could purposefully travel the galaxy would want to fuck with us. Any resources on earth could probably be found in other places - possibly in much higher quantities as the earth isn't that big.

Edit: also I doubt that humans will make contact with aliens though I'm totally open to the idea that life at sometime in someplace could develop. We might even find traces of past life elsewhere or signs of existing life somewhere, but the chance that we could find life that was intelligent and could communicate with us is sort of like trying to randomly catch a stray bullet (fired from the ground) with your teeth while you are sky-diving. Humans have been around for a second and have only even been able to concieve of alien life for a couple of generations - the chance that we could find this needle in a haystack and that two societies could develop to the point where both are capable of sending and receiving messages, translating them, etc let alone travel to meet eachother, seems pretty far-fetched to me.

[CommunityBeliever]

Hawking's argument makes me want to push his chair over. "Push his chair over"? Whoa...

Please rephrase that in a way that is less offensive.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Yup. Just look at how we treat animals.In the abstract we treat the pretty well. It's production for profit that tends to radically alter natural environments to build rail-roads or cash-crops or housing developments that end up destroying ecosystems and driving animals to extinction, or it's over-fishing or over-use of resources for profit. Family farms typically never stuffed 100 chickens into tiny hen houses, it's the maximization of profit that makes industrial farming tend to do things like this.

Non profit-driven production tends to stress usefulness and sustainability since a society dependant on fishing has no interest in depleting their main food-source. A company can always move to the next lake if they destroy the fish population in one. Hell, they will go to shale and fraking for energy when oil becomes too expensive to try and retrieve through wells.

[Jimmie Higgins]

"Push his chair over"? Whoa...

Please rephrase that in a way that is less offensive.His argument makes me want to kick the shit out of him until he vomits. Is that better?

I'm just being hyperbolic, I don't actually want to physically harm him.

[CommunityBeliever]

I'm just being hyperbolic, I don't actually want to physically harm him. Have enough respect for cripples who are suffering from ALS or some other disease to not to talk about physically harming them.

[heyjoe]

Why do people always assume aliens will be more advanced than us?

well if they got here wouldnt they have to be?

[Nox]

well if they got here wouldnt they have to be?

Well yeah but I'm not talking specifically about aliens who reach us, just aliens in general.

Chances are, if we ever reach a planet inhabited by aliens, they will be single celled organisms.

[piet11111]

Professor Hawking has warned us that if we are ever visited by aliens we may not emerge from the encounter in very good shape as a species. Less developed species tend to suffer from interactions with those more advanced, don't they?

Based on the Spanish conquistadors encountering the Mayans and the conquest of the north american continent.
I think it would be a safe bet that any alien species capable of interstellar flight probably has several millenia of technological and cultural advancement on us.
And if they are a bloodthirsty species they probably would have killed themselves before getting to that point.
When it comes to natural resources i would expect the aliens to try other planets first as ours is not so unique as we once thought. (having water etc.)


Why do people always assume aliens will be more advanced than us?

Because they would need interstellar travel capability to ever reach us ?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I think aliens will want to come get stoned with us

"Earthlings! Take me to your weedman"