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Marquess
29th February 2012, 19:48
Just when you thought the government couldn’t ruin the First Amendment any further: The House of Representatives approved a bill on Monday that outlaws protests in instances where some government officials are nearby, whether or not you even know it.

The US House of Representatives voted 388-to-3 in favor of H.R. 347 late Monday, a bill which is being dubbed the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. In the bill, Congress officially makes it illegal to trespass on the grounds of the White House, which, on the surface, seems not just harmless and necessary, but somewhat shocking that such a rule isn’t already on the books. The wording in the bill, however, extends to allow the government to go after much more than tourists that transverse the wrought iron White House fence.

Under the act, the government is also given the power to bring charges against Americans engaged in political protest anywhere in the country.

Under current law, White House trespassers are prosecuted under a local ordinance, a Washington, DC legislation that can bring misdemeanor charges for anyone trying to get close to the president without authorization. Under H.R. 347, a federal law will formally be applied to such instances, but will also allow the government to bring charges to protesters, demonstrators and activists at political events and other outings across America.

The new legislation allows prosecutors to charge anyone who enters a building without permission or with the intent to disrupt a government function with a federal offense if Secret Service is on the scene, but the law stretches to include not just the president’s palatial Pennsylvania Avenue home. Under the law, any building or grounds where the president is visiting — even temporarily — is covered, as is any building or grounds “restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance."

It’s not just the president who would be spared from protesters, either.

Covered under the bill is any person protected by the Secret Service. Although such protection isn’t extended to just everybody, making it a federal offense to even accidently disrupt an event attended by a person with such status essentially crushes whatever currently remains of the right to assemble and peacefully protest.

Hours after the act passed, presidential candidate Rick Santorum was granted Secret Service protection. For the American protester, this indeed means that glitter-bombing the former Pennsylvania senator is officially a very big no-no, but it doesn’t stop with just him. Santorum’s coverage under the Secret Service began on Tuesday, but fellow GOP hopeful Mitt Romney has already been receiving such security. A campaign aide who asked not to be identified confirmed last week to CBS News that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has sought Secret Service protection as well. Even former contender Herman Cain received the armed protection treatment when he was still in the running for the Republican Party nod.

In the text of the act, the law is allowed to be used against anyone who knowingly enters or remains in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so, but those grounds are considered any area where someone — rather it’s President Obama, Senator Santorum or Governor Romney — will be temporarily visiting, whether or not the public is even made aware. Entering such a facility is thus outlawed, as is disrupting the orderly conduct of “official functions,” engaging in disorderly conduct “within such proximity to” the event or acting violent to anyone, anywhere near the premises. Under that verbiage, that means a peaceful protest outside a candidate’s concession speech would be a federal offense, but those occurrences covered as special event of national significance don’t just stop there, either. And neither does the list of covered persons that receive protection.

Outside of the current presidential race, the Secret Service is responsible for guarding an array of politicians, even those from outside America. George W Bush is granted protection until ten years after his administration ended, or 2019, and every living president before him is eligible for life-time, federally funded coverage. Visiting heads of state are extended an offer too, and the events sanctioned as those of national significance — a decision that is left up to the US Department of Homeland Security — extends to more than the obvious. While presidential inaugurations and meeting of foreign dignitaries are awarded the title, nearly three dozen events in all have been considered a National Special Security Event (NSSE) since the term was created under President Clinton. Among past events on the DHS-sanctioned NSSE list are Super Bowl XXXVI, the funerals of Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford, most State of the Union addresses and the 2008 Democratic and Republican National Conventions.

With Secret Service protection awarded to visiting dignitaries, this also means, for instance, that the federal government could consider a demonstration against any foreign president on American soil as a violation of federal law, as long as it could be considered disruptive to whatever function is occurring.

When thousands of protesters are expected to descend on Chicago this spring for the 2012 G8 and NATO summits, they will also be approaching the grounds of a National Special Security Event. That means disruptive activity, to whichever court has to consider it, will be a federal offense under the act.

And don’t forget if you intend on fighting such charges, you might not be able to rely on evidence of your own. In the state of Illinois, videotaping the police, under current law, brings criminals charges. Don’t fret. It’s not like the country will really try to enforce it — right?

On the bright side, does this mean that the law could apply to law enforcement officers reprimanded for using excessive force on protesters at political events? Probably. Of course, some fear that the act is being created just to keep those demonstrations from ever occuring, and given the vague language on par with the loose definition of a “terrorist” under the NDAA, if passed this act is expected to do a lot more harm to the First Amendment than good.

United States Representative Justin Amash (MI-03) was one of only three lawmakers to vote against the act when it appeared in the House late Monday. Explaining his take on the act through his official Facebook account on Tuesday, Rep. Amash writes, “The bill expands current law to make it a crime to enter or remain in an area where an official is visiting even if the person does not know it's illegal to be in that area and has no reason to suspect it's illegal.”

“Some government officials may need extraordinary protection to ensure their safety. But criminalizing legitimate First Amendment activity — even if that activity is annoying to those government officials — violates our rights,” adds the representative.

Now that the act has overwhelmingly made it through the House, the next set of hands to sift through its pages could very well be President Barack Obama; the US Senate had already passed the bill back on February 6. Less than two months ago, the president approved the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, essentially suspending habeas corpus from American citizens. Could the next order out of the Executive Branch be revoking some of the Bill of Rights? Only if you consider the part about being able to assemble a staple of the First Amendment, really. Don’t worry, though. Obama was, after all, a constitutional law professor. When he signed the NDAA on December 31, he accompanied his signature with a signing statement that let Americans know that, just because he authorized the indefinite detention of Americans didn’t mean he thought it was right.

Should President Obama suspend the right to assemble, Americans might expect another apology to accompany it in which the commander-in-chief condemns the very act he authorizes. If you disagree with such a decision, however, don’t take it to the White House. Sixteen-hundred Pennsylvania Avenue and the vicinity is, of course, covered under this act.

http://rt.com/usa/news/348-act-tresspass-buildings-437/

Hexen
29th February 2012, 20:32
The United States is only showing it's true colors that it's not a democracy and it never was but rather a republic for the wealthy few.

This country is finished.

TheGodlessUtopian
29th February 2012, 20:37
They did this already anyways, now they are just making up new excuses to beat people.

thriller
29th February 2012, 21:12
Anyone know where the actual Bill can be read?

TrotskistMarx
29th February 2012, 23:36
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Most americans still live inside The Matrix. Most americans still live in a fake-world, in a Magical Kingdom, that they have created for themselves and their families. Because americans know by the natural self-defense mechanism that all animals have, that the US government is very very evil. And that the US government kills babies, children, and gets a narcotic-high out of murdering humans. And I think that's why most american parents and families do not want their children in protests (They know that US cops are murderers of protestors). And that's why americans live in that fake realm, in a sort of The Matrix. Watch this great video about the basic philosophy of the trilogy movies The Matrix with Keanu Reeves !!


What a hell the USA is turning out to be. A friend of mine died of hepatitis because he didn't have money to threat his hepatitis at the clinic. So in other words, he was killed by the pure ultra-capitalist version in USA, which doesn't offer the masses at least cheap affordable, subsidized health care treatments. And with the Health Care Industry of USA owned by a feudalist mafia cartel of the American Medical Association and the ultra-right wing Pharmacy Industries. The USA is literally a hell on earth, what an evil hell America is becoming.

And coming back to this anti-protest law, anti-political activism law. I guess that we don't need that law in USA anyways because the majority of americans hate politics, hate to talk about any thing that get them out of their comfort zone. And out of their metaphyiscal alternative realm in which most americans live. Which is a sort of Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings fake reality, that most americans have created for them. And that alternative fake reality is constructed thru addictions to DVD netflix movies, cable-tv movies, playstations, nintendo, xbox games, right-wing religious groups, and the other absurdities and inanities of the personal Harry Potter, The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, Alice in Wonderland life of most americans.

And that's why even without the anti-protesting laws, there wouldn't be a revolution in the near future in the USA of The Matrix.

I think that to see a revolution in America, americans have face hardtime, in order to put their 3 basic meals on their kitchen table. In other words: As long as americans can eat their basic meals every day, I think that we won't see a marxist revolution in USA


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http://rt.com/usa/news/348-act-tresspass-buildings-437/

Die Neue Zeit
1st March 2012, 01:18
The United States is only showing it's true colors that it's not a democracy and it never was but rather a republic for the wealthy few.

This country is finished.

For the wealthy few, yes, but it's not even a republic with its privatize-the-gains-but-socialize-the-losses mantra.

GoddessCleoLover
1st March 2012, 01:21
DNZ makes a very valid point about the entrenched oligarchy in the USA.

Die Neue Zeit
1st March 2012, 01:40
^^^ Res publica = public thing

Even most "social democrats" are agnostic at best about res publica.

Neoprime
1st March 2012, 01:49
I think you should call america a Plutocracy not a Democracy, a Federalized Plutocratic Republic(made by the rich, controlled by the rich, and made for the rich).

Grenzer
1st March 2012, 02:07
I pointed this article out to my diehard liberal cousin. He's in denial that Obama would sign such a bill, despite pointing out that Obama had no qualms signing the NDAA.

It seems as though the United States has been slowly gearing up for an even more brutal repressive police state than has been seen historically. It's as though the bourgeoisie is starting to subconsciously recognize that we are now in the final phase of capitalism, and that the good times are over; even if outwardly they're still acting like it's still 1991.

They were right about one thing: it is the end of history, just not the one they thought.

Franz Fanonipants
1st March 2012, 02:25
eh

it's just busting through the appearance of bourgeois rights guys try not to get too excited.

dnz is right as usual though.

Ele'ill
1st March 2012, 02:26
They did this already anyways, now they are just making up new excuses to beat people.

This has pretty much been my one sentence response to everyone posting about this everywhere.

Ostrinski
1st March 2012, 02:33
I agree with Franz Fanonipants. Privileges have been revoked many times before, I try not to sensationalize it too much.

Ele'ill
1st March 2012, 02:51
It's just another barrier they can use. It's a muddying of the water tactic they've injected into the ongoing mainstream dialogue regarding dissent.

Die Neue Zeit
1st March 2012, 03:48
eh

it's just busting through the appearance of bourgeois rights guys try not to get too excited.

dnz is right as usual though.

My remark re. res publica is a reference to a historical but radical school of Bourgeois Socialism:

http://www.wcrforum.com/showthread.php?tid=251

Think of the left wing of the Republican party during the American Civil War and the immediate Reconstruction years. I am saying that these folks were more small-r republican and radical (yet still pragmatic) than most European "social-democrats" of even the post-WWII era! Unlike the latter, the former were for complete land nationalization, for example.

Grenzer
1st March 2012, 03:59
My remark re. res publica is a reference to a historical but radical school of Bourgeois Socialism:

http://www.wcrforum.com/showthread.php?tid=251

Think of the left wing of the Republican party during the American Civil War and the immediate Reconstruction years. I am saying that these folks were more small-r republican and radical (yet still pragmatic) than most European "social-democrats" of even the post-WWII era! Unlike the latter, the former were for complete land nationalization, for example.

Amazing to see someone who knows some history and doesn't assume that the Republicans were always the reactionary assholes they are today. This seems like a suitable topic for discussion sometime.

Die Neue Zeit
1st March 2012, 04:04
Amazing to see someone who knows some history and doesn't assume that the Republicans were always the reactionary assholes they are today. This seems like a suitable topic for discussion sometime.

Comrade, I was two or more steps ahead. Those who "know some history" are only expected to know that the Republicans were "progressive." What I said re. "more radical" is the detailed shocker. Just re-read the "Ten Planks" of the Communist Manifesto, note the first six of them, and look up the history of 19th-century bourgeois and petit-bourgeois Radicalism. That's the basis of my denigration of all post-WWI "social democracy" even in its most progressive programmatic incarnations.

Leonid Brozhnev
1st March 2012, 06:56
They did this already anyways, now they are just making up new excuses to beat people.

Funny how they work. Last month it was SOPA... that got defeated and the US Gov's just like 'Fuck it, we'll take down file sharing sites anyway'. They bring these laws in to justify what they're already doing, it's basically a mechanism for consolidating their lousy excuses into a neat little package.

southernmissfan
1st March 2012, 15:31
Less than two months after the NDAA was signed into law, meaning American citizens can be held indefinitely in military prisons without any sort of legal rights. Not that any of this stuff is particularly new--it just gives new excuses to beat, exploit and oppress. Oh and don't forget the “FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012” that was also signed recently, allowing for the use of drones over American territory. Whenever there is a period of reaction and austerity, there can and will be resistance from the working class. The bosses obviously realize this, as evidenced by the accelerated destruction of civil rights we are witnessing. They are shattering any remaining illusions of Constitutional rights and liberal democracy. There is a class war and WE are losing. If these recent acts demonstrate anything it is that the bosses are clearly prepared and on the offensive. The question is what will WE do about it?

Hexen
1st March 2012, 17:35
Less than two months after the NDAA was signed into law, meaning American citizens can be held indefinitely in military prisons without any sort of legal rights. Not that any of this stuff is particularly new--it just gives new excuses to beat, exploit and oppress. Oh and don't forget the “FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012” that was also signed recently, allowing for the use of drones over American territory. Whenever there is a period of reaction and austerity, there can and will be resistance from the working class. The bosses obviously realize this, as evidenced by the accelerated destruction of civil rights we are witnessing. They are shattering any remaining illusions of Constitutional rights and liberal democracy. There is a class war and WE are losing. If these recent acts demonstrate anything it is that the bosses are clearly prepared and on the offensive. The question is what will WE do about it?

Sadly Rosa Luxomberg was right and we're actually heading towards barbarianism than socialism.

RebelDog
1st March 2012, 18:16
The best indicator of whether any state has a 'functioning democracy' is whether public opinion reflects public policy. Clearly in the US (more than most states) there is a huge disparity between public opinion and policy. Therefore the US is not a fuctioning democracy. In fact, its political structure is set up so that public opinion rarely if ever has an effect on power. It cannot happen. Something might go wrong and they might end up with, forinstance, a socialised, functioning health system with the desirable outcomes one would expect in the richest country in the world.

Ocean Seal
1st March 2012, 18:26
Look people. We don't expect the capitalist class to play nice. We won't either. They're protecting their interests and we're going to be out on the streets anyway regardless of what they change the rules to.

Hexen
1st March 2012, 18:43
Oh BTW even the title of this thread is slightly misleading as I forgot to point out....


Goodbye, First AmendmentI think everything would make sense if everyone would realize that the constitution/bill or rights/etc was never written for the productive classes but for the haute bourgeoisie....

seventeethdecember2016
1st March 2012, 18:46
Well... I guess it is time to give a timeline for the end of the US. The proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie won't stand for this any longer.

Good by USA.
1776-2012/13/14

I myself will likely move to some Island nation while the country destroys itself.

ed miliband
1st March 2012, 19:09
Well... I guess it is time to give a timeline for the end of the US. The proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie won't stand for this any longer.

Good by USA.
1776-2012/13/14

I myself will likely move to some Island nation while the country destroys itself.


firstly that's unlikely (to put it mildly)

secondly what sort of coward flees?

Zav
1st March 2012, 19:11
Well... I guess it is time to give a timeline for the end of the US. The proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie won't stand for this any longer.

Good by USA.
1776-2012/13/14

I myself will likely move to some Island nation while the country destroys itself.
Iceland is nice, and also Norway, New Zealand, and Nunavut, but when martial law/the Tea Party come into effect, the popular militias will need every pair of eyes and hands they can get, so consider staying.

I doubt the U.S. will collapse that soon. Surely it will morph into the Fourth Reich by then, but for it to collapse means we have to win, and we have the same odds of doing that as taking down Skynet, which in ten years the 1% will pretty much be able to produce due to control over R&D and pretty much all industry.

Tim Cornelis
1st March 2012, 19:13
Under the law, any building or grounds where the president is visiting — even temporarily — is covered, as is any building or grounds “restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance."

So... we would not be allowed to enter a building with a public official protected by the secret service... How would this make protest illegal?

TrotskistMarx
1st March 2012, 19:15
Havee: haha I think you are right about moving out of the hell of USA. Because since most americans are still inside The Matrix, since most americans are still addicted to their comfort zone of their stupid everyday personal activities and routines. Which is not really great, the lives of most americans is a misery on earth. It's true that most americans have 3 meals secure on their kitchen table, a car, water, electricity, and some toys and all that. But aside from that, the lives of the great majority of americans is an existential-vacuum and hell on earth.


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Most americans poor families, love their Matrix, are addicted to The Matrix of baseball games, grocery shopping, working, domestic chores, lawn-mowing, video games, right-wing religious church services, absurdities and inanities. They get high with The Matrix !!

It is very very hard in USA for a poor person to install a small business at home and rise to at least lower-middle class lifestyle. Not in USA. This country is strategically built with every thing sort of *GOD-ORDAINED* and every thing with its stupid laws, regulations and all that is built so that only celebrities like Jennifer Lopez, Tom Cruise, CEOs,. rich corrupt doctors, rich corrupt lawyers, and corrupt politicians reach self-realization and live a happy life here on earth with basic-needs and non-basic needs such as pleasures, emotional support, psychologic support, social-contact, parties etc.

But that's only a minority, the majority of americans are totally forgotten, and their lives are VERY LONELY. For some reason I can't explain there are SOCIAL WORLDS, SOCIAL SUPPORT, for the great majority of americans. Only the upper classes in USA have sociable lives.

And I think that one of the major impediments for a socialist-revolution done by the poor against the rich class, is that the poor people in USA are very lonely, live a lonely life, alienated, rejected, hated, despised by the middle class and by the upper class and the cities of USA are strategically built so that the poors become real depressed and crazy without any opportunities to go out to party, to have fun. LIFE FOR THE POORS OF USA, IS ONE OF THE MOST PAINFUL LIVES OF ALL POOR PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD.

So that's one of the real big reasons of why the majoroty of poor americans *WHO ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD REALLY SUPPORT A MARXIST-LENINIST GOVERNMENT IN USA*, are totally away from politics.

So I think it is the task of the LEFTIST PARTIES of the USA to win the hearts, minds and souls of the *real poor people of the USA* the people who eat from food banks, homeless, unemployed workers, the 11 million undocumented people, prisoners, etc.

So what you said about moving out of USA until USA self-destructs is a good idea, because of what I have said right now that the poor people in America who are the majority, who are the ones WHO SHOULD BE MORE MARXISTS THAN KARL MARX AND CHE GUEVARA, but they are so far from politics, so quiet, so shy, so anti-politics. So I guess we wont see a change in the near future of all the poor people of USA who are around 60% of the USA population, joining Marxist Parties.

So, I guess that the smart marxists should move to another country. BUT THERE IS A CATCH-22 WITH MOVING. MOVING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND MOST OF US HERE ARE POOR AND LIVE WITH A LOW INCOME FIXED BUDGET, THAT'S WHY WE ARE MARXISTS, BECAUSE WE ARE POOR AND WANT AN ESCAPE OUT OF THIS POVERTY THRU MARXISM !!

Thanks


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Well... I guess it is time to give a timeline for the end of the US. The proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie won't stand for this any longer.

Good by USA.
1776-2012/13/14

I myself will likely move to some Island nation while the country destroys itself.

Zav
1st March 2012, 19:36
So... we would not be allowed to enter a building with a public official protected by the secret service... How would this make protest illegal?
It applies to the close proximity of the building as well as its premises. It outlaws at-the-scene protest of government and corporate officials. Marching in Boston does little but show solidarity for Chicago, and by making protests feel like a waste of time, the government hopes to stop them from happening. Also it makes it incredibly easy to stop planned protests that the public knows about beforehand. Just plant a politician and say he's visiting his mother. Poof! The police have the legal go-ahead to arrest every peaceful protester they can. If it's the LAW (capitalized like Lord in the Bible because the State is a religion), no one but 'radicals', 'terrorists', 'socialists', 'wingnuts', 'hippies', and 'secular leftists' will oppose it. This is a dirty trick, but I must say it will be effective.

seventeethdecember2016
2nd March 2012, 04:37
firstly that's unlikely (to put it mildly)

secondly what sort of coward flees?

I agree, but I am always hopeful. I've recently read an article with a few top economic figures who said that they US is likely going to default by 2014. When things like this happen, a big drop, historically speaking, will follow. Once this happens, we'll see how people feel about their standards of living falling because of a few politicians overspending.

Also if history has taught me anything, it is that I shouldn't fight for anything. So you could call me a coward, but I'm not going to be pressured into this on account of a few liberals alienating me.
My uncle and family struggled with the Turkish government in the 1970s. We were rebels who wanted Turkey to join the SU. Now my uncle and several family members are dead. Our family was forced out of the nation for this, and for Israel's agression which had nothing to do with us(we're Jewish), so we relocated to the US, Europe, or Israel.

Please, call me a coward again.



Iceland is nice, and also Norway, New Zealand, and Nunavut, but when martial law/the Tea Party come into effect, the popular militias will need every pair of eyes and hands they can get, so consider staying.

I doubt the U.S. will collapse that soon. Surely it will morph into the Fourth Reich by then, but for it to collapse means we have to win, and we have the same odds of doing that as taking down Skynet, which in ten years the 1% will pretty much be able to produce due to control over R&D and pretty much all industry.
If those Fascists came to power, they'd have nukes. Fighting them is as pointless as walking into a wall. A better tactic is to befriend them and slowly influence them away from their ideas.
In 1941, during the Italian-Greek war, my family, who lived in Greece at the time, ran away to Turkey. Since we are Jewish, it turned out to be the greatest thing anyone in my family has ever done. So I will willfully leave any threats like this.

Saviorself
2nd March 2012, 04:39
Laws are only effective insofar as people are willing to obey them. Let them make protesting illegal, all they are going to do is piss the People off to the point where they decide to take more "proactive" measures. :cool:

TrotskistMarx
2nd March 2012, 05:22
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What laws? There are no laws. Laws only exist if you get caught. Take a look at this video from Tool, in which Maynard James Keenan says that laws are only real if you get caught. Indeed Dostoyesvki said that the criminals of Russia were men of more nobility, more will-power, than the majority of people. We are gonna need the help of the lumpenproletariat illegalist anarchists to help us overthrow the capitalist system. Besides even Bush was a lumpen-illegalist



Laws are only effective insofar as people are willing to obey them. Let them make protesting illegal, all they are going to do is piss the People off to the point where they decide to take more "proactive" measures. :cool:

Saviorself
2nd March 2012, 05:39
Tool is one of my favorite bands and that is one of my favorite songs by them. Indeed: "if consequences dictate our course of action then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught" furthermore, "if consequences dictate my course of action then I should play God and just shoot you myself".

I certainly have no love for authority nor any respect for the laws they would impose upon me. I reserve the right to obey or disobey any and all laws as it serves my purpose.

thriller
2nd March 2012, 14:04
One thing that I find funny is that many people (not really here, for obvious reasons) are throwing a huge fuss over this Bill along with SOPA and NDAA. People seem to forget that this is NOT Sept. 10th 2001. It doesn't matter if they had NO Bill's up for vote that limited speech/demonstration. They can and always will just use the terrorist argument to justify locking anyone up. They don't need a law for it, they'll just say "Remember 9/11!" and show a picture of the WTC and people will bow down. BUT the more these laws that are signed or even brought up, I feel, helps to illustrate to the non-leftists that the government is there to oppress and exploit.

Bolshevik_Guerilla_1917
2nd March 2012, 14:35
This country is is a combination of a Oligarchy, Fascist, Confederate, Republic.....and I say confederate because the states seem to have more power over federal govt. sometimes.