Louis Riel

[Al Creed]

I know there may be ALOT of you who do not recognize the name of Louis Riel, so Here (http://library.usask.ca/northwest/background/riel.htm) is some info on him.

So, about Louis Riel, what do you guys think of him? I Hold him in the same respects as Che Guevara. He took on an oppressive government, The Queen, and his own religion, in the name of freedom for his people, and the people of the Plains. He was so reveared, that he was elected to Parliament twice, while in exile.

I'll cease my guhing for now, what do you guys think?

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

Riel, although a Metis, represented the entire native population in Canada. His ability to control his forces from great distances famented his true leadership skills. He finally brought the native Canadian population into perspective and out of the shadows of national development. If it weren't for him, the Metis would not have the rights they have today.

Too bad the native Canadian population is on the brink of devastation. This is due to their inability to combat the Anglo-Saxon authority. Look at Manitoba now. I don't think Louis would be pleased with the progress his people have made after his passing.

One glimmer of hope was the Oca Crisis but that event failed to conjure emotions amongst other tribes in the surrounding area. The natives need another Tecumseh... Another Cochise... Another Pontiac!

Or else all hope will fail...

[Pete]

In Ontario the natives have a matyr: George Dudley. He was murdered over 9 years ago by the OPP at Ipperwash. Then-premier Mike Harris refused to look into the case, and was even summoned to court on charges to do with the killing (which where dropped in an out of court agreement).

Riel is portrayed negatively in most of my history classes, from grade 7 and 8 until 12. Yet, in grade 12 a slightly positive bias crept in, although in the form of a 'silly french' one. The Quebekers did not like Reil until his death in Montreal. They saw he was french and took him on as a matyr.

The Metis are getting native status, I believe...but there can be no apology for what has been done to the indigienous people of this country, since there is nothing that can be offered that is large enough or symbolic enough to come close to what is required for forgiveness for the atrocities commited over the last 500 years. In AMerica they are much worse, but that means nothing.

As AB said, he did bring into the forefront the native struggle, and the memory of it keeps it there. But as I said, the atrocities commited can not be forgiven by the native community, we have too many skeletones still in our closet for that. And I am rambling and procrastanting from my essay that is due in 6 hours... woo hooo... Good night folks

-Pete

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by AryaN [email protected] 26 2003, 01:15 AM
Riel, although a Metis, represented the entire native population in Canada. His ability to control his forces from great distances famented his true leadership skills. He finally brought the native Canadian population into perspective and out of the shadows of national development. If it weren't for him, the Metis would not have the rights they have today.

Too bad the native Canadian population is on the brink of devastation. This is due to their inability to combat the Anglo-Saxon authority. Look at Manitoba now. I don't think Louis would be pleased with the progress his people have made after his passing.

One glimmer of hope was the Oca Crisis but that event failed to conjure emotions amongst other tribes in the surrounding area. The natives need another Tecumseh... Another Cochise... Another Pontiac!

Or else all hope will fail...
Aren't anglo-saxons "aryan". :unsure:

[Pete]

Red, your avatar is very Haidawan, probally the native group whose mythology I enjoy the most (I grew up with it I guess). They, atleast, have made headway with their conflicts on the Queen Charlotte Islands, if I remember correctly did they not join up with the local loggers to protect a good deal of forest?

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 09:24 AM
Red, your avatar is very Haidawan, probally the native group whose mythology I enjoy the most (I grew up with it I guess). They, atleast, have made headway with their conflicts on the Queen Charlotte Islands, if I remember correctly did they not join up with the local loggers to protect a good deal of forest?
Yeah alot of the art from west-coast salish culture is quite recognisable.

The avatar itself is from the Tsleil-watuuth who are the natives of my area of the city, I guess I feel a slight spiritual connection. ;)

Oh yeah, loggong and conservation, are some of the biggest issues to haida natives. The unfortunate truth, is that nothing will save our forests, if logging continues to be so important to our economy.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

Originally posted by redcanada+Nov 26 2003, 09:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (redcanada @ Nov 26 2003, 09:04 AM)
AryaN [email protected] 26 2003, 01:15 AM
Riel, although a Metis, represented the entire native population in Canada. His ability to control his forces from great distances famented his true leadership skills. He finally brought the native Canadian population into perspective and out of the shadows of national development. If it weren&#39;t for him, the Metis would not have the rights they have today.

Too bad the native Canadian population is on the brink of devastation. This is due to their inability to combat the Anglo-Saxon authority. Look at Manitoba now. I don&#39;t think Louis would be pleased with the progress his people have made after his passing.

One glimmer of hope was the Oca Crisis but that event failed to conjure emotions amongst other tribes in the surrounding area. The natives need another Tecumseh... Another Cochise... Another Pontiac&#33;

Or else all hope will fail...
Aren&#39;t anglo-saxons "aryan". :unsure: [/b]
Yes, they are. What&#39;s your point?

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by AryaN BLitZKrieG+Nov 26 2003, 10:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AryaN BLitZKrieG @ Nov 26 2003, 10:10 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 09:04 AM

AryaN [email protected] 26 2003, 01:15 AM
Riel, although a Metis, represented the entire native population in Canada. His ability to control his forces from great distances famented his true leadership skills. He finally brought the native Canadian population into perspective and out of the shadows of national development. If it weren&#39;t for him, the Metis would not have the rights they have today.

Too bad the native Canadian population is on the brink of devastation. This is due to their inability to combat the Anglo-Saxon authority. Look at Manitoba now. I don&#39;t think Louis would be pleased with the progress his people have made after his passing.

One glimmer of hope was the Oca Crisis but that event failed to conjure emotions amongst other tribes in the surrounding area. The natives need another Tecumseh... Another Cochise... Another Pontiac&#33;

Or else all hope will fail...
Aren&#39;t anglo-saxons "aryan". :unsure:
Yes, they are. What&#39;s your point? [/b]
I&#39;m sorry I guess I kind of took you for a racialist, what with you&#39;re name and all. It seemed asthough you were talking abotu them like they weren&#39;t you kind. If you had said "European Authority" it would have made more sense.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

Hehe. You are somewhat right with that point redcanada. If I mentioned the European Autority as being oppresive towards the native Canadian population, wouldn&#39;t that be including the Francophones of Lower Canada? I am sure you already know the admiration the French have for the natives, especially after the Anglo-Saxons (English) took control of Canada after the Napoleonic Wars. They were both viewed as the minority population. They were both once leaders of this vaste land and now they are nothing in comparison to the English. That is the reason why i mentioned the Anglo-Saxons.

[Pete]

The French liked the natives because they did all the hard work of the fur trade for them. They also committed huge atrocities under Frontenac against the Iroquois known as the "Charred Earth." Basically, all villagers were killed, the villages burnt, the fields destroyed in an autumn campaign. Yes they &#39;admired&#39; them, but that was not without atrocities. Remember that the Huron were wiped out inpart with the influx of Jesuits and European diseases into Heronia (see Georgian Bay region).

England conquered Canada in the 7 years war (known to Americans as &#39;the french-indian war&#39;). The beginning of the destruction of Quebec (New France/Canada) began as early as King William&#39;s War, when France recongized England&#39;s claim to Newfoundland. It continued through Queen Ann&#39;s war when Acadia and the Ruperts Land became undeniable British, and ended with the fall of Louisburg (it fell 2 times if I am not wrong) and Quebec in the 7 years war.

Until the 1980&#39;s residential schools were used to make natives "white." They are notorious for their harsh methods of "assimilating" the "heathens."

Natives never "owned" the land, that was not their conception. The lived on the land, and returned to it when they died (depending on tradition). They were, also, never a single unified body to be dealt with, but a smattering of Nations, Tribes, Clans, and the occasional Confederacy. The French may have "owned" the land, but never completely occupied it. They had forts at key points (Duquenne, New Orleans, Detroit) in the interior, and trading posts, but never colonized much past the St. Lawerence River Valley.

The English only really wanted Canada because it would get rid of a pesky nieghbour and secure trade routes (Louisbourg could cut off trade between England and the colonies), and the colonists wanted to get the Ohio river, which they didn&#39;t.

That is just a chunk of Canadian history ... just in reply to the last post ... I don&#39;t know if it accomplished anything ... The French elite (Chateaux Clique, siegnors) kept all their rights under the English, and the Chateaux Clique was firmly in the new leaders pocket.