Marxism and Today

[Unrelenting Steve]

I cant remember the bloody term, but anyway it means the people in one country cant form a proper proliterate because they rape other nations so bad they dont need to exploit people on the scale and or severity to form a proper one.......

Well that got me thinking, thats what America is doing (well I did always basicly know that, but now heres my revaltion)......If America is practicing this, and this hinges on keeping certain parts of the world weak, so as never to sever this parasitic relationship....then those countries can never reach advanced capitalism....now other countries do this (exploit to an extent), even though their a lot better....as I can see things like the ICC and universal institutions like that starting to invelop the world and then an end to explotation and perhaps a more global path towards revolution- as the Eurponeas always seem to be heading towards, while America is willing to step backwards on those fronts.

Well what i guess im saying is, America needs to be destroyed, at least economicly.... Marx from what ive read didnt see the extreme negative side to strong imperialism (ive read he thought it was good because it forced poorer countries to industrialize and develop).....

[synthesis]

Labor aristocracy?

[Danish]

I tend to see it as a positive thing for a potential revolution.

Imagine the second and third worlds all revolt at once. Capitalism would come to a stand-still due to their extreme reliance on cheap labour. I don't think it's that far off.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I agree with waht Danish said.
Beacuse America will never fall to a proletarian revolution in the state it's in now, it must first actualy aquire a working class. For this to happen, the third world will free itself from imperialism leaving America to exploit its own people. A revolution in the third is possible, but I really don't see one happening in the first world anytime soon. Luckily, one in the third world, would give way to one in the first world, eh? :)

[Unrelenting Steve]

thank you DyeMaker that was the word.

I dont agree, where has the third world ever successfuly deviated from its role imposed by the 1st world...... A revolt relies on numbers, force and co ordination, what makes you think Africa is capiable of that, and when it makes progress, its stamped, Lumumba was assasinated... Why not the next revolutionary.... perhaps the others hold back because it is feutile for change to be directed at that level....... My country for example, is very marxist, I can see it so clearly, our leading party is in coalition with the SACP (South african Communist Party).... and they are trying to get South Africa industrialized and rich... good capitalists, but with globalism and trade in the state that it is we will never get there.

A global free economy would have everyone develop towarsd the same point pretty uniformily, with a bias towards those countries rich in natural resources....... As poorer countries have cheaper labour, factories move from richer countries to poorer countries, ect....... America understand economics, and they have found a way to stay rich working against the natural tendancies of free markets.... They do it well, and have been doing it for more than 50years...... We need drastic action, economics will not fix itself, and social elements cannot balance the marxist equation when they are seperated between two continants....

Let me just be honest, I cant imagine the 3rd world revolting... it has not the force, starving people cannot fight the system...

[synthesis]

starving people cannot fight the system...

On the contrary, only those who are starving fight the system. Why change things, let alone revolt, if everything's going your way?

[Unrelenting Steve]

I didnt say they dont want the system to change/stop, what I meant was they lack the ability, its not within their power...

You cant change the system and you have a computer and probably money to travel and perhaps make explosives..... Imagine people who cant afford food... or live in an area not wealthy enough to provide running water. Let alone a mail service and a hardware store to buy gun powder and triggers for mail bombs.

[Unrelenting Steve]

who has read seen this post, I think this post is very important and i would like it to be discussed more, I mean, this is the real future of our world and what we should do about it....

I mean, I see marxism as a social evolutionary path, a future path, and down one road we find extinction...and on the other we learned try engineer the system to the only path of salvation. Cause I seriously think we need that, cause this world is full of this one civilization that is so extreme it hinges on destroying the only balanced path ahead.....how can we eliminate this cancer...

well thats how i see it, but really i think this deserves more attention... I would like more of others peoples ideas...

oh and sor, perhaps this is in the wrong forum, if ne friendly mods wanna move it to where they think its appropriate...

[Pete]

The second world refers to places such as Cuba who are under a socialist government. The numbering system was propaganda.

"Oh yes America is the first world and the USSR and Cuba are the second world. We are obviously better, thats why we are first."

-Pete

[Unrelenting Steve]

if i said 2nd world it was a typo, and i only use that system because its easier to type than, poor countries plaugued by economic imperialism.....

COULD WE PLEASE DISCUSS THE REAL ISSUES HERE


practicle solutions... to the state of the world, which i have described as being reactionay in many key aspects...... could we please discuss those so i am assured that what i currently consider to be right is.... and then maybe we can DO SOMETHING... MEANINGFUL....cause at the end of the day, maybe u can convert 2%of America to communism, but that dont help the revolution..... We need to form a plan of action........ come on, all you smarter people please get on this!