Five Ohio Students Shot.

[Bostana]

Today in Ohio, five students in Ohio were shot by a fellow Student. When the Police showed up he ran from the building he is currently being questioned. The School right now is being evacuated. The conditions of the 5 students who were shot are currently unknown.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7400173n&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20FromTheRoadCBSNews%20(From%20 The%20Road:%20CBSNews.com)

[Sam_b]

You should probably link to relevant news items on this event, such as here (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7400173n&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FromTheRoadCBSNews+%28From+Th e+Road%3A+CBSNews.com%29)

[Nox]

The sad thing is that this was probably caused by bullying. If teachers would actually fucking do something about bullying then shit like this wouldn't happen. :cursing:

[Revolution starts with U]

They do something. If you fight the bully, both of you get punished. Seeing as how the Billy probably doesn't care about his schooling, and the bullied does... its pretty easy to see the outcome.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

A tragedy caused by the social conditions of the capitalist system; a heartbreaking event which will commonly repeat itself until the societal conditions of youth are changed.

[RedZero]

Some key points from this article (link below):

A few students have described Thomas "T.J." Lane as a "bullied outcast (http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/1-dead-4-wounded-in-shooting-at-cleveland-area-high-school-1335111.html)."

He reportedly lived with his grandparents and took a bus from Chardon to Lake Academy, an alternative school for "at-risk" students in Willoughby, Ohio, every morning.

Some reports say that Lane had written threatening messages on his Twitter feed in the past few weeks, and his alleged Facebook page includes a lengthy note about "mistreated peasants" that ended with, "Die all of you."

The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/27/facebook-message-apparently-from-suspected-ohio-high-school-shooter-die-all-of-you/) picked out this particular status, posted on Jan. 20.

The status:

In a time long since, a time of repent, The Renaissance. In a quaint lonely town, sits a man with a frown. No job. No family. No crown. His luck had run out. Lost and alone. The streets were his home. His thoughts would solely consist of "why do we exist?" His only company to confide in was the vermin in the street. He longed for only one thing, the world to bow at his feet. They too should feel his secret fear. The dismal drear. His pain had made him sincere. He was better than the rest, all those ones he detests, within their castles, so vain. Selfish and conceited. They couldn't care less about the peasents they mistreated. They were in their own world, it was a joyous one too. That castle, she stood just to do all she could to keep the peasents at bay, not the enemy away. They had no enemies in their filthy orgy. And in her, the castles every story, was just another chamber of Lucifer's Laboratory. The world is a sandbox for all the wretched sinners. They simply create what they want and make themselves the winners. But the true winner, he has nothing at all. Enduring the pain of waiting for that castle to fall. Through his good deeds, the rats and the fleas. He will have for what he pleads, through the eradication of disease. So, to the castle he proceeds, like an ominous breeze through the trees. "Stay back!" The Guards screamed as they were thrown to their knees. "Oh God, have mercy, please!" The castle, she gasped and then so imprisoned her breath, to the shallow confines of her fragile chest. I'm on the lamb but I ain't no sheep. I am Death. And you have always been the sod. So repulsive and so odd. You never even deserved the presence of God, and yet, I am here. Around your cradle I plod. Came on foot, without shod. How improper, how rude. However, they shall not mind the mud on my feet if there is blood on your sheet. Now! Feel death, not just mocking you. Not just stalking you but inside of you. Wriggle and writhe. Feel smaller beneath my might. Seizure in the Pestilence that is my scythe. Die, all of you.Interesting piece.

article: http://gawker.com/5888671/
edit: According to this website (http://globalgrind.com/news/tj-lane-alleged-gunmen-chardon-high-school-shooting-letter-die-all-you-details?gpage=0) he posted the above piece on December 30, 2011 (rather than Jan. 20 as Gawker reported) and he left a comment on January 20 on the same status that reads, "much obliged to all who "liked" this. Wrote it myself in class one day..."

[RedZero]

Reported that a second student has died:

Sources within the Chardon High School shooting investigation tell 19 Action News that a second student has died Monday at MetroHealth Medical Center.link: http://www.19actionnews.com/story/17030236/source-second-chardon-high-school-student-has-died

[RedZero]

Yes, here we go with some of that lovable moral panic. I'm just wondering if the media is going to try to spin this on video games or music. Here's a comment I saw a few minutes ago:


I don't think it's "bullying" per se.

I went to a friends' house several years ago. Her young sons were playing an extremely violent, shooting "game", on their console. When an opponent was shot, blood splattered in a realistic fashion and the opponent grunted and "died". It was, basically, teaching children to kill. I tried to say something but it was not received. Now, those kids are fine... but take an already troubled kid, an outsider, feeling alienated and unappreciated... give him 10 years on one of those consoles, playing real life shooter games.... then give him access to a firearm.

Surprising we don't get more shootings, when I think about it.

I know if I had children we would not have video games.

I'll be praying for all involved, and their families.

[RedZero]

*sigh* --> "A student who was nicked in the ear Monday during a shooting in a high school cafeteria in Chardon, Ohio, has identified the teen gunman as a fellow student who had “got into a gothic phase” in recent years."
link: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/27/10519723-sketchy-reports-emerge-on-alleged-high-school-gunman

[Misanthrope]

The sad thing is that this was probably caused by bullying. If teachers would actually fucking do something about bullying then shit like this wouldn't happen. :cursing:

It's easy to blame the teachers. The teachers are workers, society is corrupting the youth through the bastardized curriculum. There are great teachers out there and bad ones. Don't make a sweeping generalization blaming teachers.

[Ele'ill]

I don't want to see anyone die so young, bullies or not. Related anecdote- I ran into someone who used to be a bully back when I was in school and yeah we remembered each other. Total role reversal as I could have battered them now but they were super chill and really giggly/liked to laugh a lot. Maybe they weren't all that badass back then either. Perspectives change, time and place, people change.

[Bostana]

Bad News:
One of the Students who were shot died at the Hospital.

[workersadvocate]

Only one thing kept me from doing in school what kids like did one has done.
I'm out to fight the cause, and slay it. That was always personal motivation number one. will take a lot more than a few people going down to change this society. Fuck martyrdom. Fuck busting a few caps in a few little pieces of shit and then getting blown away or dragged off to some dungeon so the mouthpieces of society have the last word interpretting what happened and why, and leaving the very same authorities and social relationships in place to terrorize and put down other kids again.

Revolution is the best revenge. No half-stepping, no apology, no system supporters and agents to dismiss you and talk shit because they're all decorating streetlamps or painting the walls a crimson red. This society's violence is our teacher, and one day I hope we "nobodies" show them just how much we learned.

As for me, I kept getting bullied and beaten, even in my own yard. I finally escaped, once, grabbed a shotgun, and chased the 10 or so bigger assailants out if my yard like a madman with no more to lose. No kid dared fuck with me again.
But the adults did come, to punish me, belittle me and lock me away as a crazy person " with violent tendencies". Excuse me, but nobody gave a fuck about it when their world and their kids were attacking me. I'll never forget or forgive it, not even decades later. They showed their true colors then, and I hope one day, along with others who have similarly come to be alienated and contemptful of this entire society, we will show our true colors in a system-changing way.

Soon, the stories will come about the nice normal innocent kids that everyone loved who were shot by a deranged abnormal weirdo classmate. Bullshit. The fuckers who look for a devil to blame should go look in the mirror: you and your nice normal society did it!

[Tovarisch]

Bullying has claimed far too many lives. Why isn't the country cracking down on bullies?

[workersadvocate]

Bullying has claimed far too many lives. Why isn't the country cracking down on bullies?

America is the biggest bully of them all, it was founded by bullies and bullying is inseparable from American culture and how American society really works. American society is a natural habitat for bullies.

[southernmissfan]

They do something. If you fight the bully, both of you get punished. Seeing as how the Billy probably doesn't care about his schooling, and the bullied does... its pretty easy to see the outcome.

Zero tolerance fighting policies have been an incredible failure in my experience. Naturally, they came about to "prove" to concerned parents and sensational media that they (administration/school board/etc.) were doing something about violence in schools. However, I think the practical effect is one of increased alienation and punishment for those who are already victims.

There is no doubt something of a connection between these policies and the trend in education policy in general--towards standardization, "accountability" and the like. Often those ideas are simply excuses to increase privatization, attack teachers and other education workers and generally dismantle the already troubled system of universal, public education. Even on a more general level, it is often uncomfortable to know that cases are handled differently--after all, it is a natural and usually positive feeling to want some sort "equal" and "fair" application of the rules. However, these are kids and teenagers. Sometimes things have to be handled on an individual basis, not simply prescribed some zero tolerance consequence from the rule book. But again, this goes back to the attack on education. Teachers and even administrators fear for their livelihood if they stray from the rules. Not to mention, we are so overworked and our conditions so rough that sometimes, we simply cannot do these young people the services they deserve.

[eyeheartlenin]

*sigh* --> "A student who was nicked in the ear Monday during a shooting in a high school cafeteria in Chardon, Ohio, has identified the teen gunman as a fellow student who had “got into a gothic phase” in recent years."
link: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/27/10519723-sketchy-reports-emerge-on-alleged-high-school-gunman

So the shooter in Ohio "got into a gothic phase"? Weren't the two shooters at Columbine High School also Goths? You have to wonder how many young people the Goths get to slaughter, while working out their angst. At least in Ohio, the shooter has reportedly been detained. Who knows? Maybe this time, the shooter will actually be punished for what he did, though I wouldn't bet on it.

[Nox]

It's easy to blame the teachers. The teachers are workers, society is corrupting the youth through the bastardized curriculum. There are great teachers out there and bad ones. Don't make a sweeping generalization blaming teachers.

I admit there isn't really much that teachers can do about it, but still, they should be able to do something about it because they are the ones with the power in the situtation. I was bullied a few years back by this one kid, it started in year 9 and I put up with it for the whole year and repeatedly reported the bullying but the teachers did nothing, then at the end of year 10 after another awful year of bullying I gave up and beat the shit out of him outside of school. I ended up getting a reprimand (temporary criminal record) that I will have until I'm 18. As far as I know, he was never punished, but luckily I don't have to deal with him any more because he moved schools.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Despite the efforts of individual teachers and educators, the whole basis of modern schools is competition and social conditioning and it's completely alienating. Things are worse since the 1970s not just because of budget cuts but because of the larger desire to change the role of education in US society (from which cuts are one symptom along with standardization etc).

For working class kids, schools are either just holding pens to condition you to show up and do things that are asked of you no matter how alienated you are from the tasks, or they are to condition you to compete against others for limited slots in tracked education programs or scholarships or athletics or whatnot. All this results in the hostile social environment of schools, suicides because of social or academic pressures, dropping out, and the occasional flip-out sometimes resulting in crazy shit like this.

[Crux]

*sigh* --> "A student who was nicked in the ear Monday during a shooting in a high school cafeteria in Chardon, Ohio, has identified the teen gunman as a fellow student who had “got into a gothic phase” in recent years."
link: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/27/10519723-sketchy-reports-emerge-on-alleged-high-school-gunman
Guns don't kill people, goths do.

[Sasha]

So the shooter in Ohio "got into a gothic phase"? Weren't the two shooters at Columbine High School also Goths? You have to wonder how many young people the Goths get to slaughter, while working out their angst. At least in Ohio, the shooter has reportedly been detained. Who knows? Maybe this time, the shooter will actually be punished for what he did, though I wouldn't bet on it.

Fuck you...

http://www.revleft.com/vb/marilyn-manson-columbine-t147113/index.html?t=147113n

[Bostana]

Psycho makes a good point.

The day of the Columbine Shooting President. Bill Clinton had the largest bombing round in the entire Kosovo War killing thousands of innocents. So it comes to the point where who has a bigger influence Marilyn Manson or the U.S. President?

Here is an Interview of Marilyn Manson:

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[Franz Fanonipants]

you guys are fucking nubsthis kid is an asshole, capitalism might have empowered him, but anyone who answers being bullied with shooting other people in the back of the head is an asshole

[southernmissfan]

you guys are fucking nubsthis kid is an asshole, capitalism might have empowered him, but anyone who answers being bullied with shooting other people in the back of the head is an asshole

Doesn't that go without saying though? I personally did not mean to detract from the fact that this kid committed a heinous act. I don't think anybody else in this thread does either. I think it is natural, whether you consider yourself a Marxist or simply a critical thinker, to want a deeper investigation or commentary as to why something happens and how it can be stopped. And in my opinion, discussion of this type does not necessarily mean we are ignoring or downplaying the tragedy.

I don't know much about the incident and it's likely we'll never get the complete story. But for all we know, the shooter could be mentally ill. Or he could be a violent asshole. Regardless of the shooter's personality or immediate motivations, there is nothing wrong with critically analyzing the situation and attempting to figure out what can cause these sorts of incidents and what can prevent them. Maybe the kid really is simply an asshole and there are no deeper forces at work. Maybe discussion of capitalism, bullying, school policy, etc., is all irrelevant in this case*. But does that necessarily make the discussion any less valuable?

And for the record, I totally do understand your sentiment. But nobody here seems to be glorifying the shooter or anything like that. I just don't get who you seem to be mad at/arguing with.

*Though chances are, most of us are on RevLeft because we know things are more complex than that and that socio-economic factors influence every aspect of our humanity.

[Sasha]

Why does America lead the world in school shootings?

Posted at 7:00 am
Categories: United States, Youth
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Editor’s Note: Dr. Frank Ochberg is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Michigan State University and former Associate Director of the National Institute of Mental Health.
By Frank Ochberg — Special to CNN
School shootings are far more frequent in America than in other countries, although terrible massacres have occurred in Russia, Israel, and several European nations. In the high-crime neighborhoods of inner cities, school turf is relatively safe. We have learned to harden the target and patrol with vigilance.
And even in those suburbs and small towns where spree killings have occurred, the rates, per capita, are lower now than in previous decades. School is a safe place — until, as in Chardon, Ohio, the unspeakable happens. Then, even though the risks are low, it is fair to ask, why does this still happen? Why here, in America?
Let’s be clear. There is no single, certain answer to these questions. The possible factors include failure by classmates, parents and school officials to see the warning signs; bullying and revenge; serious mental illness; violent role models; drugs; access to guns, and a culture that condones extremism.
America has its share of these factors, but which are significant and which are more prevalent here than across the Atlantic?
Warning signs
Students do not become mass killers overnight. They nurse their fantasies and they leak evidence. Insults, threats and plans are posted on websites. Classmates often know when a student is ready to strike back. Parents hear rumblings and have accurate gut sensations.
Within our country there are communities and neighborhoods and school districts that are relatively cohesive, vigilant and able to discuss warning signs of danger. There are some communities that are not as well integrated. They must be coached and helped.
After Columbine and Virginia Tech and other notorious school shootings, new programs to share information were developed and several plots were nipped in the bud. This evolution of information sharing occurs in other countries, but it is difficult to measure, nation to nation, who is ahead and who is behind. I see no proof that America is losing this race to improve detection of warning signs.
Bullying and revenge
We have too many bullies and too many youngsters at the mercy of bullies. But we also have a growing system of anti-bullying school programs. Despite rumors to the contrary, the Columbine killers were not bullied. There is no evidence that America, compared to other nations, has more bullies, more bullying, more victimization, and more victims who are ticking time bombs, hatching plots of lethal vengeance. However, we certainly can and should promote school programs that protect all children from stalking, hazing, and the new, evolving forms of abuse: Ostracism and humiliation through electronic social networks.
When boys are bullied they may fantasize about revenge. To dream of turning the tables on a bully is common to all eras, most cultures, and the source of drama, film and literature from the Elizabethan stage to the spaghetti Western. But whether a slowly evolving fantasy of mass murder is a product of mental illness, of bullying or of other sources, there are usually signs along the way.
Major mental illness
We do not have more major mental illness than most other countries. But we may be less caring of our mentally ill. Back in the Kennedy era, we launched community mental health programs to care for people with schizophrenia and similarly severe disorders, including depression. We wanted treatment available close to home, with compassionate supervision and with proper medication. We tried to stop the revolving door to the asylum, and, in fact, we tore down the large state hospitals. Our best intentions failed.
The program was never fully funded and our American system of care leaves much to be desired. The most serious mental illnesses, schizophrenia and depression, often become overt in adolescence. A boy who is smart enough to get into a good college becomes deluded, obsessed, strange, scary — and he gets rejected, isolated and stuck in a fantasy world. Those fantasies can become lethal. These forms of mental illness are seldom the source of homicide (far more often they torment and demoralize the disturbed individual).*But when they are dangerous to others, we need good answers.
We do not have a sophisticated system of care and protection. If we did, Mr. Cho would not have killed 37 students at Virginia Tech. But America is really no worse than other nations when it comes to the numbers of seriously mentally ill, of violently mentally ill, of insufficiently treated violent mentally ill school-age boys. (Yes, we are talking about boys and young men; by far, they are the school shooters).
Violent role models
Violent role models, on the street, in the cinema, in the news, have been with us for as long as I recall, and are not limited to America. Back in the ’60s, an American counter culture leader said, “Violence is as American as cherry pie.” But other parts of the world, such as Northern Ireland, the Balkans, the children’s armies of Africa, the terrorist camps of the Middle East, have their violent role models. Machismo is not an American word, nor is Hooligan.
Drugs
We do have drugs and a drug culture and aspects of this problem are more severe here than in many other parts of the world. Crime is connected to the drug trade and this crime can spill into the school. But the type of school shooting that occurs in the suburb is seldom connected to this urban issue. There may be an indirect connection, since drug wars arm young soldiers of drug wars, and arms are a large issue in America.
Access to guns
Access to guns is a significant factor in American school shootings. If kids could not and did not bring guns to school, we wouldn’t have Columbine, Virginia Tech or Chardon, Ohio. There have been crimes with knives and bats and fists. But school shootings are gun crimes. Kids with guns kill kids at school.
I do not think America is an extremist nation, compared to other nations with bloody histories and despotic leaders. True, we have polarized political speech, and some of that speech is about access to guns. But the reason we have an American school shooting problem that exceeds other nations has to do with access to loaded weapons by kids who should not have that access.
I’m not offering a gun control solution. But any serious attempt to prevent school shooting will have to attack the problem by determining who should not be armed, and preventing dangerous boys from bringing guns to school.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of Frank Ochberg. For more on the subject of school shootings, Dr. Ochberg recommends reading reports by the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI.


Source: http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/why-does-america-lead-the-world-in-school-shootings/?hpt=hp_t1

[bcbm]

you guys are fucking nubsthis kid is an asshole, capitalism might have empowered him, but anyone who answers being bullied with shooting other people in the back of the head is an asshole

dude aren't you yelling at others about materialism half the time?

[Sasha]

dude aren't you yelling at others about materialism half the time?

If its about moralist issues all science goes out of the window with fanonipanz...

[TrotskistMarx]

Dear friends, what the hell is going on in USA? Because the killings going on in the Middle East by insurgents suicide bombers etc. are politically related, anti-imperialism violence.

But these mass murdering in many schools, universities in America are not politically related, are not related to drug smuggling cartels, and they are more or less done cold-blooded.

These crimes must be scientifically analyzed and I think that one of the main reasons of these crimes in many schools, and universities like the Columbine massacre is the anger, and rage felt by the perpetrators of these horrible crimes.

The USA needs a scientific analysis of why there is so much anger in America, and I think that one of the main causes of rage, anger and unhappiness in America is the extreme libertarianism ultra-individualism philosophy of life of Ayn Rand and other pro-egocentrism, anti-collectivism ideologists. I think Ayn Rand would be proud of the whole USA

Life in this country is not a piece of cake, it is not a walk in the park. There is a lot of hatred in America, and very little human support, human contact. And according Feuerbarch, a marxist philosophers humans feel very strong when they work in teams, in communities, in groups, in organizations. And indeed nobody in this world can feel strong, can achieve any thing, and any goal like Robinson Crusoe by himself in a lonely island.

And I think that one of the major reasons for young teen students and older students getting so much anger and rage inside of them is the unfriendly, unloving, unsupportive behavior patterns in high schools and in colleges. (And colleges are even worse in USA, they are full these ultra-right winger football jocks that love to bash weaker students)

And this can be related to death of Whitney Houston and other famous celebrities. Celebrities are humans and they too need to live in a supportive environment and most places in USA are not very supportive.

Other real causes of why there are so many angry, evil, Jared Loughners in the USA is the parenting in USA. The way parents raise their children, without any love, without any emotional support.

Of course there has to be lots of Jared Loughners and angry people in this country, this is the natural reaction and consequence of 300 million social phobic, unfriendly, ultra-right winger people. Where according to scientific polls only about 5% to 10% of the US population are marxists, the other 90% vote for capitalist parties, love capitalism, endorse capitalism which means they are evil because capitalism is evil, like Michael More said in an article in http://www.socialistworker.org

But this country needs an 100% radical change in the way all americans treat each other and behave. Something has to give !!


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Today in Ohio, five students in Ohio were shot by a fellow Student. When the Police showed up he ran from the building he is currently being questioned. The School right now is being evacuated. The conditions of the 5 students who were shot are currently unknown.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7400173n&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20FromTheRoadCBSNews%20(From%20 The%20Road:%20CBSNews.com)

[TrotskistMarx]

I totally agree with you that killing people is 100% wrong, sick and a crime. However look, where I live, around my neighborhood nobody says hi to each other, I know that the majority of people around here have economic problems, work in shitty jobs, and live shitty lives like most americans, without going out not even to a movie theater, there are no tennis courts, health fitness gyms, cultural events. And the people who are in the majority blue collar low-wage dirty job workers, live miserable life. However their personal economic problems and their pain and misery, shouldn't be a cause of being so anti-social, so unfriendly.

And that's the way the majority of american people are. Most americans have this *exceptionalist* idea ingrained in their DNA by the stupid Pledge Allegiance and the ultra-love for USA, that they can bash others, insult others, harass other individuals, other socities or other countries (without any blow-back, without the right of the other nation or society fighting back against the evil actions of americans.

Look, americans are very evil, this country is very anti-social, social-phobic, do not have any social skills, dress like shit, are a mess in their personal lives. It is fair to state that the USA is almost a barbarian nation, full of animals without any ethical behavior, without anylove for others (A country of assholes)

And all that evil behaviour of students in schools and in universities will blowback sooner or later, by people who don't like to be harassed and bashed. And I think that these shootings are a little bit justified, this is just a blowback for the evil fascistic behaviour of jocks and assholes in schools and universities.

If americans want to live in a peaceful loving society without fear of their children being shot at school, their childent and students must start by loving others and TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO STOP THINKING SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR OWN SELVES. AND TO HUG, LOVE AND SUPPORT OTHER STUDENTS OF THEIR OWN CLASSROOM AND SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES.

Thanks







dude aren't you yelling at others about materialism half the time?

[Guy Incognito]

I totally agree with you that killing people is 100% wrong, sick and a crime. However look, where I live, around my neighborhood nobody says hi to each other, I know that the majority of people around here have economic problems, work in shitty jobs, and live shitty lives like most americans, without going out not even to a movie theater, there are no tennis courts, health fitness gyms, cultural events. And the people who are in the majority blue collar low-wage dirty job workers, live miserable life. However their personal economic problems and their pain and misery, shouldn't be a cause of being so anti-social, so unfriendly.

And that's the way the majority of american people are. Most americans have this *exceptionalist* idea ingrained in their DNA by the stupid Pledge Allegiance and the ultra-love for USA, that they can bash others, insult others, harass other individuals, other socities or other countries (without any blow-back, without the right of the other nation or society fighting back against the evil actions of americans.

Look, americans are very evil, this country is very anti-social, social-phobic, do not have any social skills, dress like shit, are a mess in their personal lives. It is fair to state that the USA is almost a barbarian nation, full of animals without any ethical behavior, without anylove for others (A country of assholes)

And all that evil behaviour of students in schools and in universities will blowback sooner or later, by people who don't like to be harassed and bashed. And I think that these shootings are a little bit justified, this is just a blowback for the evil fascistic behaviour of jocks and assholes in schools and universities.

If americans want to live in a peaceful loving society without fear of their children being shot at school, their childent and students must start by loving others and TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO STOP THINKING SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR OWN SELVES. AND TO HUG, LOVE AND SUPPORT OTHER STUDENTS OF THEIR OWN CLASSROOM AND SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES.

Thanks

Speak for youself man. "Americans" aren't these evil monstrous sub-humans you depict us to be. Just because I was born in the U.S. doesn't make me some goose stepping fascist (particularly when my family paid in blood FIGHTING the fascists back in the day). And just because people don't talk to their neighbors anymore without them thinking you're a psycho out to take from them (you can thank mass media telling folks "could the neighbor next door be hunting your children for sport!? Film at 11!" for the past 30 years for this), doesn't mean that we LIKE it this way. Only a small, but loud minority in this country actively promotes bullying as a way of life, but sadly they have a huge amount of political power to enforce their hate-filled bullshit. It's the rich and their willing sycophants that promote this nonsense mentality of war, might makes right and loathe thy neighbor. The working man and woman generally just wants a safe and comfortable place to live and work and thrive.
Also, "dress like shit"? Really? Who the fuck are you to say how we're to dress eh? Maybe I LIKE wearing jeans and an old t-shirt? Fuck, maybe I like wearing a nice shirt & tie? Step off with your high and mighty bullshit. You're not better than anybody, you're just another worker (or are you?) in this pile of shit we call the global community. :cursing:

[Misanthrope]

I admit there isn't really much that teachers can do about it, but still, they should be able to do something about it because they are the ones with the power in the situtation. I was bullied a few years back by this one kid, it started in year 9 and I put up with it for the whole year and repeatedly reported the bullying but the teachers did nothing, then at the end of year 10 after another awful year of bullying I gave up and beat the shit out of him outside of school. I ended up getting a reprimand (temporary criminal record) that I will have until I'm 18. As far as I know, he was never punished, but luckily I don't have to deal with him any more because he moved schools.

Teachers really have no power. They are constantly used as a scapegoat by students and parents. From my experience, my teachers have always gone the extra mile to help me but that's because I'm not a prick. Students generally treat teachers like shit and the teacher is powerless, constantly watching their words and actions, with students/administration/parents ready to pounce.

Well, fuck that kid. Counselors are really your best bet for help. Like I said teachers are really viewed as a nuisance by society and are deprecated. Teachers are one of the most important members of the working class, they directly influence the youth.