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Bostana
22nd February 2012, 23:20
What is the religion that is most like Communism?

Caj
22nd February 2012, 23:22
I don't understand the question. . . .

Bostana
22nd February 2012, 23:24
I don't understand the question. . . .

What religion is close to Communism

GoddessCleoLover
22nd February 2012, 23:26
Juche.

eric922
22nd February 2012, 23:26
There isn't one. There are religions that are more compatible with communism than others. For instance the more philosophical branches of Buddhism or Taoism are more compatible with communism than say, Calvinism or really any god-centered belief system, which would also exclude the "religious" form of Taoism. However, relgion is a flexible thing and it can be made to fit a wide range of different political ideologies, for instance Liberation Theology was a somewhat successful attempted to blend Catholicism with Marxism, at least until the Pope pissed at them for it.

Overall, I feel that on questions like this, the more people adopt a more Materialist outlook, the more they will naturally let go of elements of their old religions that don't fit. For instance, a Catholic Marxist might drop the reactionary social views and focus on Liberation Theology. To give a personal example, I consider myself a Buddhist, but more of the philosophical branch than the more religious branches because it fits me better and it seems more historical in line with the original Buddha's teachings.

Oh and as aside, the early Mormons used to practice something called the United Order, where the Church attempted to establish egalitarian communities, basically Utopian communism mixed with LDS theology. The Mormons claim Communism is Satan's perversion of this. Here is a wiki link if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Order

Lenina Rosenweg
22nd February 2012, 23:28
A lot of religions started out with major elements of communism. Primitive Christianity, early Islam, the Taoist peasant rebellions.

Religion is used by ruling classes as a means of social control but this has constantly been subverted by the common people for their own uses.

The Hutterites, the communist state of Munster, the Diggers, the Mazdaks, some Russian Old Believer groups, might be some examples.

Today? Probably the Hutterites.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite

This is a very good question and this is a somewhat simplistic answer.

Revolution starts with U
23rd February 2012, 03:03
Personal religious study and development is the closest.

Vyacheslav Brolotov
23rd February 2012, 03:08
Atheism. . . there is really no question about it. But whatever I guess some people are Marxists and religious, I just dont agree with that form of thinking. (This post was edited for reasons of "religious tolerance")

Pretty Flaco
23rd February 2012, 03:11
probably satanism 666

Optiow
23rd February 2012, 03:19
As RSWU said above, personal study is best. If you can equate religious beliefs with communism then I'm not gonna stop you. It's when a religious person starts being a slave to a religious institution is when I draw the line.

Caj
23rd February 2012, 03:36
Atheism. . . there is really no question about it. You can't be a Marxist and then take what Marx called a drug.

One can accept the Marxian critique of capitalism and historical materialism without being an atheist.


Oh, and you cannot use Marxist reasoning to study religion because Marxist reasoning is based on materialism.

Wait, what? You don't think we can understand the origins, developments, and uses of religions throughout history within a materialist, class-based framework?

Vyacheslav Brolotov
23rd February 2012, 03:41
Wait, what? You don't think we can understand the origins, developments, and uses of religions throughout history within a materialist, class-based framework?

No, not by a theological standard. I am not going to change my mind. We can examine it through the eyes of historical class struggle, but Marxism is not an ideal that should deal with the questions of theology. Leave that to the Catholic Church.

Caj
23rd February 2012, 03:45
Marxism is not an ideal that should deal with the questions of theology.

I didn't say it was. What I said is that religion is a phenomenon that can be understood through Marxian analysis.

Ostrinski
23rd February 2012, 04:04
All and none. First, let's not make the mistake of viewing ideologies and systems of thinking as being similar to ingredients for a meal, with some things being more compatible than others. Each ideology develops under its own set of conditions, which is why it seems awkward to me to evaluate the compatibility of different ideologies. Each ideology has a different relationship to each class, as well as to the same class in different periods of time. A variation of uses, with rising and declining levels of practicality over the course of history.

Second, let's not view communism as something to reach, like some kind of historical quota. When we do this, communism does become a set of ideals, an abstract image that we've created for ourselves outside of the conditions of reality. Let it simply characterize the operation by which the proletariat pursue their interests.

Grenzer
23rd February 2012, 04:38
The religion of Communism is destruction, mayhem, and drunken revelry.

Caj
23rd February 2012, 04:42
The religion of Communism is destruction, mayhem, and drunken revelry.

That's anarchism.:cool:

The Old Man from Scene 24
23rd February 2012, 04:51
Religion is the opium of the people.


If you consider atheism a religion, then it's atheism.

seventeethdecember2016
23rd February 2012, 05:32
I think we follow a more Authentic path, so the true religion of Communism is whatever said Communist wants to believe in.
We have a Deist or Atheist tendency though.

RGacky3
23rd February 2012, 09:24
apples and oranges.

Azraella
25th February 2012, 21:09
There are a lot of paths that are especially compatible with communism: Gnosticism, Stoicism, and other forms of mysticism stand out. That said. I personally doubt that Marx was right about religion dying out after communism comes into being but that's just my opinion and it just sounds like wishful thinking to me. Continuing however, different strands of different religions might be considered compatible with anarchism or communism; some strands of Islam, Christianity, and some forms of paganism come to mind.

Simply put, I don't think it's impossible to have religious belief and be a communist or even anarchist.

Psy
26th February 2012, 19:09
If you consider atheism a religion, then it's atheism.
Atheism in not a religion but a philosophy that there is no point in even complicating the existence of a god because we don't need a God to explain the universe and the existence of a God just raises way more questions then it answers.

TheGodlessUtopian
26th February 2012, 19:15
probably satanism 666

Nah, that, in mainstream circles, goes to Objectivism and Ayn Rand's shit.

Deicide
26th February 2012, 19:22
If atheism is a religion.

Then not smoking is a habit.

Rafiq
26th February 2012, 19:27
Religions change in accordance to which class they are serving. But, I suppose Christianity.

Psy
26th February 2012, 19:33
If atheism is a religion.

Then not smoking is a habit.

The reason atheism is a philosophy and not a religion is that atheism does try to rationalize the world while religion is grounded in faith not logic.

AmericanCommie421
26th February 2012, 19:35
None. Plain and simple, you can be a Christian and Muslim, a Jew or a Hindu and be a Socialist, Marxist, Trotskyist or whatever other Leftist ideology you would like to subscribe to. As long as you agree with the basic tenets of Communism, such as worker control over the means of production, civil and political rights, etc. Communism and other left ideologies have no religion.

Balaer
29th February 2012, 21:52
The reason atheism is a philosophy and not a religion is that atheism does try to rationalize the world while religion is grounded in faith not logic.Are you familiar with Comte's religion of humanity? It's quite interesting.

RGacky3
1st March 2012, 11:59
Asking a question like that is like asking "what is the religion of geography?" Its apples and oranges.

dodger
1st March 2012, 12:43
The "what religion?"has to do with the what where and when of a particular society. A Welsh miner from a nonconformist community would certainly colour his Marxism with rich imagery language from bible and hymn book. No surprise to see an icon of Stalin or Lenin on the mantelpiece in a Russian dwelling. A Mexican mural or Indian shrine. Some workmates put up a portrait photo of Engels glued white cotton wool for his beard, stuck a bright star above his noggin, Xmas baubles , tiny candles and a quick spray of foam snow and we were ready to celebrate, Christ's birth. A slap up meal with wine and toasts completed the scene. The general manager came down to wish us well, caught sight of Frederick and graciously included him in his toast to us. "I said we slay all those who dare look on HIS image" "tremble". He was drunk and left muttering, "sure I have seen that blighter before, but where?" In your nightmares was the consensus.......

Doflamingo
7th March 2012, 23:03
Communists tend to be atheist/irreligious, so it would most likely be that.

Comrade Samuel
7th March 2012, 23:11
Talos worship :D

It dosent matter, communism is indiscriminate of religion, nationality, race ect. so believe in whatever you want. Marx himself advocated atheism so many believe the "religion of communism" is a atheism (yeah,yeah atheism isent religion) but so long as it doesent create unnecessary antagonism amongst the working class nobody really cares what you believe.