MIAMI POLICE: Torture, Beatings, Sexual Assault!

[redstar2000]

There were a total of 273 arrests related to the FTAA protests that the legal team is aware of. As of Sunday at 3PM, more than a hundred people remain in jail under extremely harsh conditions. There have been reports from people being released or calling from jail that there was excessive brutality, sexual assault and torture going on inside. People of color, Queer and transgender prisoners are particularly being targeted. One person who was shot at point blank range with a pellet bag projectile remains hospitalized with a skull fracture. He has lost vision and ocular mobility in the eye injured in the incident. Another young activist of Mexican heritage who police beat remains hospitalized in critical condition with a brain hemorrhage.

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[truthaddict11]

fucking cops, same shit happened at Seattle, any video of this activity?

[Bolshevika]

Fuck Miami

[Hate Is Art]

fuck america

[ComradeRobertRiley]

fuck me

[truthaddict11]

is anyone else going to give a comment that is longer than 2 words?

[Sabocat]

Conclusions

I went to the protest expecting to be threatened by a bunch of Marxists and anarchists who were attempting to tear down our Government.


Ahhh....but we can dream can't we? :lol:


I think the only reasonable response should be that from now on, people visit the army/navy stores near where they live, equip themselves with shin guards, helmets and gas masks so that the pigs have less of an advantage.

It appears that the pigs have gone to a complete para military unit. Very dangerous. Can you imagine the phone conversation between GW and Jeb Bush? I'm sure Jeb assured his dopey brother not to worry about it, and that he'd take care of these little "peckerheads".

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Death to the pigs! (bump)

[Kapitan Andrey]

I agree with Digital Nirvana! :D ;)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 10:20 PM
Fuck Miami
I personally love going to Miami in the summer, booty + drugs + booze => Party :P But fuck miami filth ;)

[Sabocat]

Here's a good description of how protestors were attacked by Tom Hayden

Arresting The Future

By Tom Hayden, AlterNet
November 21, 2003

Editor's Note: Tom Hayden is reporting for AlterNet from the Free Trade Area of the Americas conference in Miami.


MIAMI, Friday 8:21pm EST – The police force continued operating with the brains and appetite of a carnivorous shark today as city officials kept demonstrating "the Miami model" of suppression even as protestors and trade ministers were leaving the city in droves.


At a Friday afternoon press conference, Thea Lee, the chief international economist of the AFL-CIO, spoke of feeling terrified Thursday as police fired pepper gas and plastic bullets at peaceful marchers. Other labor leaders, including AFL-CIO president John Sweeney expressed "outrage" over the police blocking of a permitted gathering, and cited specific abuses such as a union retiree being denied necessary medication after an arbitrary arrest.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17246

[flayer2]

Its nearly always the police who start the violence. Notice how rarely the white supremist rallies turn into violence. Many cops are supremists themselves..

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 05:44 PM
There were a total of 273 arrests related to the FTAA protests that the legal team is aware of. As of Sunday at 3PM, more than a hundred people remain in jail under extremely harsh conditions. There have been reports from people being released or calling from jail that there was excessive brutality, sexual assault and torture going on inside. People of color, Queer and transgender prisoners are particularly being targeted.
Gee...NOW you/they know what it feels like to be incarcerated in cuba for just speaking out your mind....only you can just multiply that number 1000-fold!


The rest is absolute BS! I happen to have BEEN at this "march"...it was a RIOT and everyone that went there (with the exception of the AFL-CIO representatives and a few others that really WANTED to show their disapproval) WANTED to riot! The police knew it and everyone that took place in it KNEW the consequences of their actions! You don't go to a "peaceful" rally armed with smoke grenades, bottles and sticks! Go ahead and debate me again....I WAS THERE!!!!

[redstar2000]

I don't think any "debate" is required as you have your nose so far up some cop's ass that it's protruding from his mouth.

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[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 04:24 PM
I don't think any "debate" is required as you have your nose so far up some cop's ass that it's protruding from his mouth.


Thats a CLEVER "comeback" there redstar! How EVER to you come up with such "valid" arguments?! Whats your point? What, didn't I say it nice enough? Were YOU there? Because I was! Have you EVER been jailed in South Florida? Because I'VE been jailed in South Florida! Has YOUR father ever been jailed in cuba? Because MY father has been jailed in cuba!! Anything ELSE you'd like to add?

So ONCE AGAIN we resort to the name calling and immature accusations! Is this your idea of a rhetort there Redstar? You people SEE how this all starts eh? Someone disagrees with FACTS and "argues" them with name calling. Bravo Maestro!!

Food for thought! Just because I work closely with cops on a scene doesn't mean their NOT assholes! Lets see, They've been dicks to me when I got arrested, I run from them when they try to catch me on my bike, and I box them in the ring.....yeah...now THATS brown-nosing it! :blink:

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 05:12 PM
Its nearly always the police who start the violence. Notice how rarely the white supremist rallies turn into violence. Many cops are supremists themselves..
Well that is the diff between American cops and Belgian cops. Unlike their American brethen, Belgian cops are pansys they don&#39;t dare to use any form of violence, that is maybe why our criminal rates are so high <_<

[cubist]

to be fair its a disgrace that the police aresst people for using there right to assemble

but you should expect it from america

it doesn&#39;t take unilateral action on iraq with out UN approval and give in to a load of angst filled protesters even if it means overturning a part of the rights to assemble and protest

redstar you make communist sound like morons talking like that you are on these threads

[redstar2000]

redstar you make communist sound like morons talking like that you are on these threads

Oh?

How exactly would you "like" me to respond to this gusano dickhead?

Shall I say something like...

"Oh no, Mr. Gusano Dickhead, sir, surely you must be mistaken. Sexual assault in custody--now numbering five confirmed--is not in accordance with proper police procedures in Miami. Nor are random severe beatings, pepper spraying, etc. Don&#39;t you really think the police behaved most inappropriately, Mr. Gusano Dickhead, sir?"

Or how about...

"Mr. Gusano Dickhead, sir, would you please explain how you are so well informed about beatings, torture, etc. in Cuba while that which takes place before your own eyes in Miami is invisible."

Here is what he said: "Just because I work closely with cops on a scene..."

Think about that&#33; What could it mean? What are the implications?

Remember, he&#39;s also said he&#39;s an ex-Marine and likes violence...think about that, too.

When you&#39;re finished, come back and tell me what tone you really think I--or any decent human being--should take with the likes of him.

The man is an obvious turd&#33;

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[Pete]

War on Dissent by Naomi Klien, from ZNET (orginally the Globe and Mail) (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=13&ItemID=4565)

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Hey redstar....you see that little red light blinking in your head.....its your credibility light......and it just burned out.

Once again a SUPER post by mr redstar...everyone put your hands together for the most intelligent post on this site.....<applause>

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[RedFW]

The police knew it and everyone that took place in it KNEW the consequences of their actions&#33;

Yes, all of you take note, especially women. If you want to go out and protest realise that one of consequences of your actions will be sexual assault. Don&#39;t say I didn&#39;t warn you. And Castro_Sucks was there, and he/she says the police were provoked into such behavior. What do you expect them to do when they are provoked? Keep it in their pants? Gah, cut the police some slack, those commie *****es knew what was coming and were asking for it. Why else would they be there? Mind you, the assualts were said to take place in custody, so, if Castro_Sucks was there and is the credible witness she/he claims to be, either Castro_sucks was on the receiving end of it or was teaching those liberal sluts a lesson in typical marine/cop fashion.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

RedFW? Are you alright?

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 09:14 PM
RedFW? Are you alright?
I would have thought that RedFW&#39;s time on this board would not produce such a response.

[redstar2000]

RedFW is being bitterly sarcastic...and quite properly so.

I&#39;d also add that the response to "Castro_Sucks" by some of the folks here is pretty...depressing.

I wonder just what he "has" to actually say before his character becomes clear to some of you.

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[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by RedFW+Nov 27 2003, 10:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedFW @ Nov 27 2003, 10:01 AM) Yes, all of you take note, especially women. If you want to go out and protest realise that one of consequences of your actions will be sexual assault. Don&#39;t say I didn&#39;t warn you. [/b]
Comparing apples to oranges....I would think you&#39;d be more intelligent than that&#33;


Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 10:01 AM
And Castro_Sucks was there, and he/she says the police were provoked into such behavior.
Hmm...lets see....I was protesting WITH the AFL/CIO and.....wow...wouldn&#39;t you know it....I never had ONE incident of police brutality, pushing, shoving, fighting, etc. Hmmm...was it because we weren&#39;t throwing rocks/bottles at the cops? Was it because we WEREN&#39;T inciting violence or antagonizing the cops? Go figure&#33;


[email protected] 27 2003, 10:01 AM
Mind you, the assualts were said to take place in custody, so, if Castro_Sucks was there and is the credible witness she/he claims to be, either Castro_sucks was on the receiving end of it or was teaching those liberal sluts a lesson in typical marine/cop fashion.
You&#39;re starting something you have no basis on. I was there PROTESTING with my AFL/CIO brothers and sisters WITHOUT incident&#33; WHY is that?&#33; Why didn&#39;t I receive a nightstick to the coconut? Why wasn&#39;t I maced, kicked, shot at, etc? You would expect people not to do their jobs?

Hey, let me ask you something.....if I were to walk up to you, and just clock you with a right hook......what would YOU do, (provided you were able to stand up again)? Would you say, "thank you, may I have another"? Yeah.....I didn&#39;t think so.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 01:39 PM
I wonder just what he "has" to actually say before his character becomes clear to some of you.

Youve already SHOWN your "character". Now THATS depressing&#33;

[RedFW]

Comparing apples to oranges....I would think you&#39;d be more intelligent than that&#33;

You offered your presence at the protest as credibility enough to dismiss the of accusations reported by other protesters and to judge the protesters as fully deserving whatever measures the police dished out ; sexual assault in police custody was one of these. So, you are either not as well informed about the events that took place as you would have had us believe, or you are a liar.

And I wonder why you would &#39;think&#39; anything about me as this is the first time I have commented on anything you have posted.


Hmm...lets see....I was protesting WITH the AFL/CIO and.....wow...wouldn&#39;t you know it....I never had ONE incident of police brutality, pushing, shoving, fighting, etc. Hmmm...was it because we weren&#39;t throwing rocks/bottles at the cops? Was it because we WEREN&#39;T inciting violence or antagonizing the cops? Go figure&#33;

So, because it didn&#39;t happen to you, it didn&#39;t happen period? And what about the reports of violence in police custody. Could you explain exactly why you are better informed report what happened in those cases? And are the sexual assaults reported legitimated because cops were antagonized ?


You&#39;re starting something you have no basis on. I was there PROTESTING with my AFL/CIO brothers and sisters WITHOUT incident&#33; WHY is that?&#33; Why didn&#39;t I receive a nightstick to the coconut? Why wasn&#39;t I maced, kicked, shot at, etc? You would expect people not to do their jobs?

Why should your story have any more basis than the one reported in the aritcle? And I didn&#39;t know sexually assaulting protesters in custody, for whatever reason, was part of the job. If the police do this to people in custody, and they have done it many times in the past, I don&#39;t suspect for one second that they are not capable of doing the rest of it.



Hey, let me ask you something.....if I were to walk up to you, and just clock you with a right hook......what would YOU do, (provided you were able to stand up again)? Would you say, "thank you, may I have another"? Yeah.....I didn&#39;t think so.

Would it give you the right to sexually assault me?

[cubist]

Castro i like you you argue well, but

you can&#39;t possibly say that just becuase you haven&#39;t seen police brutality that it hasn&#39;t happened

just like you will never be able to justify

americas place in irag, afghanistan, cuba, its war on the axis on evil all the dead people becuase of americas action in the last 30 years,

if you want to see police brutality watch the RATM videos among thousand of others,

the offspring didn&#39;t write a song about LAPD becuase it would make them money they wrote it becuase it is true

Hmm...lets see....I was protesting WITH the AFL/CIO and.....wow...wouldn&#39;t you know it....I never had ONE incident of police brutality, pushing, shoving, fighting, etc. Hmmm...was it because we weren&#39;t throwing rocks/bottles at the cops? Was it because we WEREN&#39;T inciting violence or antagonizing the cops? Go figure&#33;

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MAN SHOT DEAD BY POLICE FOR USING A CIGARETTE LIGHTER THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN BUT IT HAPPENED, MAYBE TAHTS BECUASE HE WASN&#39;T THREATNING TO KILL ANY ONE OH WAIT HE WASN&#39;T AND HE IS DEAD.

maybe you didn&#39;t incite crime at your protest but when you see people chained to posts being hit with battons you don&#39;t take the opinion you hold mate believe.

i have been hit by a copper for being at a football match i didn&#39;t pitch invade i didn&#39;t fight with the cardiff city fans i was just in the way of a copper with a big baton

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Apologies RedFW, I seriously thought for a moment there that someone had hacked/hijacked your account :wacko:

[redstar2000]

I was there PROTESTING with my AFL/CIO brothers and sisters WITHOUT incident&#33; WHY is that?&#33;

And Santa Claus is bringing me a new computer for Christmas. He told me it will be day-glo purple. :lol:

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[Anarchist Freedom]

alright castro sucks were gunna have a talk....

your totally fucked yourself over ok ?

you insulted redstar& senorche and probably man others

youve gone to far your not from cuba your some dumbass punk 12 year old who listend to his parents talk about how bad communism is and how bad cuba is. then you jumped the gun from there and woops we got a punk biatch who is hated by almost the whole forum.

seriously castro sucks why do you always try and piss people off i dont try and piss people off. seriously you try and insult everyone and everything


castro sucks leave alright the world will be better without you&#33;


castro sucks just another thing ok?


well ive noticed that you here just to get a rise out of people and to piss of communist crap as you regard us as.

this forum isnt for punk *****3s wh0 4r3 wh0r3s t0 p0st h3r3 this is a strict political straight up forum



also enjoy your time here you wont be here much longer







stay out and never come back



:che:

[RedFW]

Apologies RedFW, I seriously thought for a moment there that someone had hacked/hijacked your account

No need to apologise. Perhaps I have a talent for pastiche? ;)

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 03:22 PM
And Santa Claus is bringing me a new computer for Christmas. He told me it will be day-glo purple. :lol:


HUH???????? :blink:

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 27 2003, 04:06 PM
this forum isnt for punk *****3s wh0 4r3 wh0r3s t0 p0st h3r3 this is a strict political straight up forum




Then I suggest you hightail it on out of here junior&#33; The MEN are talking now&#33;

As for my insulting " senorache"? That was done away with and apologised for in my "Here the scoop on me" thread. As for my insulting this &#39;redstar&#39; character, surely you don&#39;t think I&#39;m gonna sit and take a slew of insults from anyone? He dug his grave...and he&#39;s angry because he has to lie in it&#33;

So....get the facts straight junior&#33; You insult ME I insult YOU&#33; Capiche?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 02:25 PM

Comparing apples to oranges....I would think you&#39;d be more intelligent than that&#33;

And I wonder why you would &#39;think&#39; anything about me as this is the first time I have commented on anything you have posted.


With all due respect...would you have preferred me to think you were an idiot? I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I&#39;ve seen some of your other posts.....and frankly I think you make some vaalid points. THATS why I assumed you were intelligent. Was that NOT the right thing to do?

[Le Libérer]

Could someone please pull out their copy of Roberts Rules of Order and Debate?

This could be a very educational topic, ya know.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 02:39 PM
RedFW is being bitterly sarcastic...and quite properly so.

I&#39;d also add that the response to "Castro_Sucks" by some of the folks here is pretty...depressing.

I wonder just what he "has" to actually say before his character becomes clear to some of you.

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Just ignore the prick ;)

[cubist]

desert, just ignore him would be surfice,

insults aren&#39;t necassary

don&#39;t bait pettyness debate seriousness and if you win he will silence

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:00 PM
desert, just ignore him would be surfice,

insults aren&#39;t necassary

don&#39;t bait pettyness debate seriousness and if you win he will silence
Ok, don&#39;t mind my reactions to some threads, since I am a bit edgy cause it is exam period for me :(

[cubist]

what exams you doing mate??

best of luck with it all anyway =D

[mentalbunny]

Hey Pete, the link didn&#39;t work for me, can you check it out?

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 01:02 PM
So....get the facts straight junior&#33; You insult ME I insult YOU&#33; Capiche?
oh no... you&#39;d better get those facts straight guys, he might insult you&#33;

:D

anyways, castro_sucks, you disappointed me since that new page thing. you started on a new page. but then you spilled ink all over it.

and congratulations to all those comforting castro_sucks. you&#39;ve done a great service to the community.

[Guest1]

alright, as for your claims you were at the protest, have you actually gone to the link?

one of the pages shows a girl being singled out, and shot while running away. she was doing nothing to the cops. shot in the back.

and you&#39;re right... the cops launched no tear gas during the protests, the gas-canisters were all launched by protesters. the sherriff came out on tv and said that. so it must be true. let&#39;s ignore his record for widespread brutality, citations for civil rights violations, racism and corruption.

maybe you were at the protest, and maybe you were protesting. but it wasn&#39;t long before you pulled out the taser and ran behind the police lines.

good work, officer.

[RedFW]

With all due respect...would you have preferred me to think you were an idiot? I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I&#39;ve seen some of your other posts.....and frankly I think you make some vaalid points. THATS why I assumed you were intelligent. Was that NOT the right thing to do?


I prefer you answer the questions I raised instead of avoiding them by feigning intellectual superiority. That this is the only part you have chosen to comment on, out of all of the points I made in my last post addressed to you, is very telling of your credibility.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 28 2003, 06:48 AM
alright, as for your claims you were at the protest, have you actually gone to the link.....

.....and you&#39;re right... the cops launched no tear gas during the protests, the gas-canisters were all launched by protesters. the sherriff came out on tv and said that. so it must be true. let&#39;s ignore his record for widespread brutality, citations for civil rights violations, racism and corruption.

.....maybe you were at the protest, and maybe you were protesting. but it wasn&#39;t long before you pulled out the taser and ran behind the police lines.

good work, officer.


Wow I&#39;ve gone from being a firefighter/paramedic to being a cop. Good one there ole boy&#33; ....Talk about SPILLING INK on an "argument. It doesn&#39;t even justify an intelligent response. Congratulations&#33; And yes..I actually DO read links and articles people post JUST to be informed on ALL points. I don&#39;t walk around BLINDLY believing EVERYTHING thats thrown my way WITHOUT valid points and information. Just like nobody here should&#33;

RedFW: Perhaps I was mistaken in my assumption. I apologize&#33;

[RedFW]

RedFW: Perhaps I was mistaken in my assumption. I apologize&#33;

I will await your response to the rest of my post.

[Red Louisiana]

Why do we allow this Cuban turncoat into this forum?


Too bad he wasn&#39;t shot before he got to the US, if in fact he is a Cuban traitor...

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by RedFW+Nov 28 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedFW @ Nov 28 2003, 03:58 PM)I will await your response to the rest of my post.[/b]
And I&#39;ll await an open-minded, non-sarcastic post.



Red [email protected] 28 2003, 04:00 PM
Why do we allow this Cuban turncoat into this forum?

Too bad he wasn&#39;t shot before he got to the US, if in fact he is a Cuban traitor...

Hey thats excellent&#33; Excellent post from....I&#39;m sorry....who are you again? And WHERE are you from? Post again when you reach puberty......

[RedFW]

And I&#39;ll await an open-minded, non-sarcastic post.

I have made one. You haven&#39;t replied to it, well, unless you count the one sentence you plucked out to divert atttention away from the fact that you haven&#39;t really answered anything. Don&#39;t worry, though, you don&#39;t have anything to lose by responding to my post, except your credibility; even that appears to be irrecoverable now.

Now that you mention it, why should anyone make open-minded, non-sarcastic posts to honour your presence here? That certainly isn&#39;t a standard you hold yourself to.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 02:46 PM
Castro i like you you argue well, but

you can&#39;t possibly say that just becuase you haven&#39;t seen police brutality that it hasn&#39;t happened


Of COURSE just because I didn&#39;t see it doesn&#39;t mean it DIDN&#39;T happen...BUT...you know very well that there are THREE sides to every story. Who gains by accusing the cops of sexual assault? Who gains by having the cops deny it?

Cephas, I thank you for being able to appreciate and acknowledge good debate. But all I&#39;m saying is the people I was protesting with at Bayfront park, never so much lifted their voices in anger.....we held up our banners....marched a little and the cops left us alone...Nobody in the group was ever shot at, clubbed, etc by the cops. However I did SEE with my own eyes that those that were antagonizing the cops...yelling, screaming, throwing crap at them......those were the ones being targeted by the cops.

I mean guys...we (some of us) DO still live in America, and we DO still have laws (no matter HOW much you&#39;d like them dissolved)...violent, unruly protests are still not tolerated here (I don&#39;t think many places tolerate it). Even some of the more clear thinking protestors admitted that the cops had a job to do&#33; And NO...sexual assault ANYWHRE and by ANYONE is STILL not acceptable...but all I&#39;m saying is there are THREE sides of every story...their side, your side...and the truth.


Gee..I guess this makes me a cop for saying that, eh "cheymarijuana"?

[Pete]

mentalbunny, it worked for me, but I will post the link again, as well as the link to the place where I read it first, the Globe and Mail (a capitalist media site, but fairly unbaised...or towards the Liberal Party if any).

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...=13&ItemID=4565 (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=13&ItemID=4565)
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/...=war+on+dissent (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031125.wnaomi25/BNStory/International/?query=war+on+dissent)

Enjoy:) She is very intelligent (No Logo and Fences and Windows proved that:))

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 04:44 PM
Don&#39;t worry, though, you don&#39;t have anything to lose by responding to my post, except your credibility; even that appears to be irrecoverable now.


Dude....your "argument" is getting old and tired...."sh*t or get off the pot"&#33; Or better yet..go SMOKE your pot&#33; Enough with your "credibility is shot" rantings&#33; If you notice...I only answer to those that actually DO have something good to say, ask and/or add.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Let me ask you all something though...what did you think of the "pigs" when they stormed into the Elian family household down there in Miami, maced a bunch of those "gusanos" you guys mentioned, and took the boy from the family and returned him to cuba? Be honest.....did you cheer the pigs back then? Or did you think that was an overexertion of their power storming into that house like that? C&#39;mon...be honest....did you cheer for their "brutality" or did you cheer them on for taking care of business against those "gusanos"???? Think of your answer carefully, it may be double edged.

[RedFW]

Dude....your "argument" is getting old and tired...."shit or get off the pot"&#33; Or better yet..go SMOKE your pot&#33; Enough with your "credibility is shot" rantings&#33; If you notice...I only answer to those that actually DO have something good to say, ask and/or add.

It probably is very tedious having people ask you questions you don&#39;t want to answer, but this is a board for political discussion. I didn&#39;t realise the issue of credibility was such a sensitive one for you. *shrug* Perhaps that is a condition engendered by your lack of it. Who knows?
Let me guess, &#39;Something good to say&#39; is obviously either something you agree with or something you can bullshit your way out of? :lol: Sorry, but I won&#39;t be adjusting this &#39;argument&#39; or any others to suit the shit you try and pass off as political debate. ;)

[cubist]

i tell you What CS

this debate isn&#39;t about criminals and what happens to them

its about the innocent victims of pig brutality, example "idiot cop beats up black man on main road forgot camera was recording in his car and got it all on tape"

how do you compare a cop doing a bust to a cop shooting at a unarmed protester living by the right to protest set out in section blah blah blah of the constitution of rights.

how do they even match

[cubist]

sorry it took a while for the last post as i am busy,

CS you have answered so really the previous post is sorta irelevant,

anyway in answer

obviously some people will antagonise cops, but cops should never rise to it if they want to rise they should drop there badge and fight like men on the grounds that every other civillian steps into a fight with. ie not knowing that they have an army of men in uniform to back him up or the fact that your a cop and you can do them under almost anyrule you choose (kinda gives you an advantage)

protesters will go for a cop weakness but it seems the cops never hold back on retaliation,



the job of a police officer is to up hold the LAW not break it and assault is breaking it

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 09:29 PM
what exams you doing mate??

best of luck with it all anyway =D
Well since I am only 16, I have to do the exams of my main subjects (economics, dutch, french, german, english) and my "optional" subjects (maths, history, religion, ...). I am only worried bout my french and german since I don&#39;t understand a thing of both of them and I have to pass them in order to skip re-exams :(

[Red Louisiana]

Hey thats excellent&#33; Excellent post from....I&#39;m sorry....who are you again? And WHERE are you from? Post again when you reach puberty......

Heh, it&#39;s nice to see the level of sophistication the Cuban traitors exibit - little trolls who want their sugar plantations back&#33;

Go troll some place your foolsih opinion is respected or tolerated.

I currently live in Texas, But I&#39;ve been all over the world, for your info, turncoat.

[cubist]

german + french i know how you feel i only got out of education a few years ago you may have noticed my english literacy is bad enough and they tried to get me to do german spanish and french any way i sure youwill be OK its a good thing its on your mind believe me

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by cephas+Nov 28 2003, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cephas @ Nov 28 2003, 07:32 PM) .....if they want to rise they should drop there badge and fight like men on the grounds that every other civillian steps into a fight with. ..[/b]

Like this poor cop that went against me in the ring&#33;&#33; He didn&#39;t think is was so funny getting the wind knocked out of him&#33;
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid90/peb1864610b35f83b1accee3ad9d25735/fa711ddd.jpg


Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 07:32 PM
...protesters will go for a cop weakness but it seems the cops never hold back on retaliation,
Can&#39;t argue with that&#33;



[email protected] 28 2003, 07:32 PM
...the job of a police officer is to up hold the LAW not break it and assault is breaking it
Again, I agree&#33;

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 10:43 PM
german + french i know how you feel i only got out of education a few years ago you may have noticed my english literacy is bad enough and they tried to get me to do german spanish and french any way i sure youwill be OK its a good thing its on your mind believe me
I sure hope so, but if I pass these exams with a good grade I have a bit more breathing space untill june :-)

What did you do at school as education ?

[cubist]

nice love the photo by the way CS

desert fox,

me i did,

maths physics computer studies and business studies at a&#39;level,

and GCSE i did the usual shit history science PE RE I.T sys etc etc

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 12:50 PM
nice love the photo by the way CS


Thanks...I always liked beating on cops for a change&#33; ;)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 01:50 PM
nice love the photo by the way CS

desert fox,

me i did,

maths physics computer studies and business studies at a&#39;level,

and GCSE i did the usual shit history science PE RE I.T sys etc etc
Sounds nice, I did maths at first, but had to drop out since I didn&#39;t spend enough time on it, a bloody shame really since now I have to learn every day on german and french in order to pass them -_-

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:00 PM
Let me ask you all something though...what did you think of the "pigs" when they stormed into the Elian family household down there in Miami, maced a bunch of those "gusanos" you guys mentioned, and took the boy from the family and returned him to cuba? Be honest.....did you cheer the pigs back then? Or did you think that was an overexertion of their power storming into that house like that? C&#39;mon...be honest....did you cheer for their "brutality" or did you cheer them on for taking care of business against those "gusanos"???? Think of your answer carefully, it may be double edged.
heh heh heh.....I see folks have "tactfully" dodged my question.......Hmmmmm

[Man in the White Shirt]

I really was not sure to think, on one hand they were breaking the law, but I thought the application of force, sending in a heavily armed SWAT like team was a bit over the top. Both sides were in the wrong. If I was the police I would have entered the house in broad daylight and removed the child, unarmed and doing my best to appear non-hostile.

[andresG]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 30 2003, 11:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 30 2003, 11:42 AM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 05:00 PM
Let me ask you all something though...what did you think of the "pigs" when they stormed into the Elian family household down there in Miami, maced a bunch of those "gusanos" you guys mentioned, and took the boy from the family and returned him to cuba? Be honest.....did you cheer the pigs back then? Or did you think that was an overexertion of their power storming into that house like that? C&#39;mon...be honest....did you cheer for their "brutality" or did you cheer them on for taking care of business against those "gusanos"???? Think of your answer carefully, it may be double edged.
heh heh heh.....I see folks have "tactfully" dodged my question.......Hmmmmm [/b]
I loved it.

[Pete]

I think your question was you trying to dodge dealing with the protester/police relationship, no?

[Guest1]

I agree with man in the white shirt. I believe 100% that the child should have been sent to his father in cuba, but the police response was disgusting.

there is nothing double edged about it.

[LuZhiming]

"I don&#39;t think any "debate" is required as you have your nose so far up some cop&#39;s ass that it&#39;s protruding from his mouth." - redstar2000

The people here whining about Castro_Sucks&#39; insulting others are all officially hypocritical and have great prejudgices against those that do not share their views.

[hazard]

now I dont got nothing against cops, specifically, I mean they like protect us reds like they do the capitalist scumbags that roam around with their shotguns and football garb. but this bullshit going on in the prisons is too much. isnt that more to do with the guards than the cops?

[RedFW]

I think your question was you trying to dodge dealing with the protester/police relationship, no?

I agree.



but this bullshit going on in the prisons is too much. isnt that more to do with the guards than the cops?

If you are referring to the article posted at the beginning of the thread, they were not sent to prison, they were held in jail, in police custody.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 03:01 AM
I think your question was you trying to dodge dealing with the protester/police relationship, no?
Once again...you&#39;re wrong. My question was asked to see if people&#39;s thoughts about the police are mercurial and not solid&#33; I see the intelligent ones on this site stand firm against their dislike of the actions by the police, no matter WHO the victims are.

However, one of the posters mentioned they LOVED the police&#39;s actions on THAT particular bust, yet talk poorly about the police when that force is applied in other circumstances. Kind of hypocritical in my book&#33;

Then there are those that refuse to answer the question by pointing absurd things out. :blink:

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 04:00 PM
However, one of the posters mentioned they LOVED the police&#39;s actions on THAT particular bust, yet talk poorly about the police when that force is applied in other circumstances. Kind of hypocritical in my book&#33;

That is called a opinion, freedom of speech ya know ;) :P

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 1 2003, 06:36 PM
That is called a opinion, freedom of speech ya know ;) :P
Thats allowed here? :o ;)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 1 2003, 08:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 1 2003, 08:44 PM)
Desert [email protected] 1 2003, 06:36 PM
That is called a opinion, freedom of speech ya know ;) :P
Thats allowed here? :o ;) [/b]
Yes, that is the very reason why you are still not banned. I thought atleast you would have some respect <_<

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 3 2003, 06:48 PM
Yes, that is the very reason why you are still not banned. I thought atleast you would have some respect
Now how did I KNOW you were going to say THAT? I saw that one coming a mile away. HA&#33; If ANYONE here has been respectful to those that actually DESERVED it, its been me (and a few others on here). Soooooo.....you&#39;ll have to come up with something better.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

I&#39;m still worried about a friend of mine... I STILL haven&#39;t heard from him since Miami... it&#39;s very unsettling.

There was a really good article by a journalist that was there though... I&#39;ll give you guys a snippet of it to see.

Resistance in Occupied Miami
Thousands Protest the FTAA and Capitalist Globalization
by Osage Bell

Revolutionary Worker #1221, November 30, 2003, posted at rwor.org

During the week of November 17, officials from 34 countries of the Western Hemisphere--from Canada to Chile (excluding Cuba)--met in Miami, Florida to discuss the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA). Like other gatherings of international exploiters in different cities of the world in recent years, this FTAA event was met with mass resistance. Thousands of protesters from all over the U.S. and different countries of the world gathered to take a stand against the FTAA and capitalist globalization. A slogan during the week of protests captured the spirit of many: "The FTAA was born here, so let&#39;s bury it here&#33;"

Initiated in Miami in the mid-1990s under U.S. President Clinton&#39;s direction, the FTAA is aimed at further expanding U.S. imperialism&#39;s ability to exploit all of Latin America. Some people call FTAA "NAFTA on steroids." The North American Free Trade Agreement, which began in 1994, has devastated the lives of millions of people in Mexico, especially the peasants. The FTAA is designed to enable U.S. imperialism to exploit all of Latin America even more deeply. (For background on the FTAA, see accompanying sidebar.)

The anti-FTAA protesters faced unprecedented levels of repression and weapons used by the police. The city even passed a temporary ordinance that made things like two people walking down a street together an illegal "parade." The Miami mayor touted these police measures as blueprints for Bush&#39;s Department of Homeland Security. One indication of the attention that top levels of the U.S. power structure paid to the FTAA summit is that in the recent &#036;87 billion bill to finance the ongoing occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, Congress included &#036;8.5 million for security in Miami for the meeting.

No doubt Miami was a testing ground for what the ruling class is planning in order to stifle dissent at future gatherings like the Republican and Democratic conventions next year. In total, the Miami police made over 200 arrests during the week--including the day after the major protests when riot police surrounded, brutalized, and arrested over 70 people who had gathered outside the jail to protest the treatment of those already arrested.

more of the article is at http://rwor.org/a/1221/miami.htm

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 3 2003, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 3 2003, 08:56 PM)
Desert [email protected] 3 2003, 06:48 PM
Yes, that is the very reason why you are still not banned. I thought atleast you would have some respect
Now how did I KNOW you were going to say THAT? I saw that one coming a mile away. HA&#33; If ANYONE here has been respectful to those that actually DESERVED it, its been me (and a few others on here). Soooooo.....you&#39;ll have to come up with something better. [/b]
I will, but not right now ...

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 05:00 PM
Let me ask you all something though...what did you think of the "pigs" when they stormed into the Elian family household down there in Miami, maced a bunch of those "gusanos" you guys mentioned, and took the boy from the family and returned him to cuba?
Hummm...........
IMHO, a pig is a pig, no matter what government he works for. Do you know the USAF takes the lowest IQs and makes them MPs? Unless of course, they have a degree then they can start with a rank. It takes a certain mentality to be a cop, and helping others just doesnt usually fit the type. Can we say "power hungry?"

As far as poor Elian, I wonder how the Cuba governement would have handled that situation had the roles been reversed. Just a thought.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Debora [email protected] 4 2003, 08:48 PM
As far as poor Elian, I wonder how the Cuba governement would have handled that situation had the roles been reversed. Just a thought.
There wouldn&#39;t have been a situation like that in cuba. EVERYONE in the house would have been arrested on the first day of defiance, "tried" two days afterwards and sent away for a loooong time...

[Le Libérer]

Well with the Elian situation , there were NO winners, until the boy was reunited with his father in Cuba. I think everyone is in agreement with that statement.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 01:24 AM

redstar you make communist sound like morons talking like that you are on these threads

The man is an obvious turd&#33;

Well RS he can join your select club then.

:cool:

[redstar2000]

As a supporter of U.S.-British aggression against Iraq, it seems to me that you, Enema, have much more in common with Castro_Sucks than he has with me.

But I&#39;m glad to see you posting in the forum where you belong. Keep up the good work.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[cubist]

Redstar, ya big pussy your words mean nothing when you talk with such a derogatory tone.

it seems most people have more incommon with CS than CS has with you.

what is more obvious is CS is politically an asshole you are just an asshole

[redstar2000]

Well, Enema has a supporter.

That&#39;s nice.

I note from your political statement that it is your wish to "revive faith in democracy". This thread itself is an excellent example of the reality that lies beneath bourgeois "democracy".

Still, you have made a good choice...Enema is infamous for his support of bourgeois parliamentarianism. He thinks that&#39;s where "reforms" come from.

I think you&#39;ll be very happy together.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[cubist]

he doesn&#39;t have a supporter your just an asshole,

and an arrogant one at that, you belong with the tories

[Bolshevika]

and an arrogant one at that, you belong with the tories

Indeed he does.

Elian, the poor little boy was kidnapped by the worms in the Miami Mafia for political purposes. When they forced this innocent boy to say things he did not even know meant, they exploited him to win support for their anti-Castro bs. They are criminals for trying to keep this boy from his father.

[Guest1]

I love how much time some leftwingers spend trying to take down the most intelligent comrades.

it&#39;s usually alot more than they spend trying to take down racists... or homophobes.