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Deicide
21st February 2012, 22:42
Would it be factually incorrect to assert that ''social democracy'' and the modern ''welfare state'' was implemented to cool down the boiling revolutionary movements that wanted to overthrow the bourgeoisie? Is there any bourgeois scholarship, which, perhaps hints at this?
Thanks once more..
Drosophila
21st February 2012, 22:48
I would agree with the "welfare state" part of that assertion. Take 1870-80s Germany for example:
In 1878, Bismarck pushed parliament to pass a law that banned the Social Democratic Party, and in 1883 he pushed for numerous "welfare" programs to calm down the revolutionary socialists. Both of these failed to stop socialism from growing, and Bismarck ended up being dismissed from power.
As for "social democracy" - that was an idea pushed by the likes of Eduard Bernstein, who wasn't really an influential government leader, so I don't think it wouldn't be wise to assume that evolutionary socialism was something created by the bourgeoisie to cool down the revolutionary socialists.
p.s. - I'm new to this so don't be surprised if I'm wrong.
Ostrinski
21st February 2012, 22:57
Keynesian policies were an adaptation of the bourgeoisie to the conditions that crisis created. It was an (successful) attempt to reconcile the contradicting class interests of that particular time. You are essentially right. The bourgeoisie is an elastic class, but will not be able to put the crisis back to sleep forever.
Nox
21st February 2012, 22:57
They are postponing the inevitable ;)
Grenzer
21st February 2012, 23:04
Would it be factually incorrect to assert that ''social democracy'' and the modern ''welfare state'' was implemented to cool down the boiling revolutionary movements that wanted to overthrow the bourgeoisie? Is there any bourgeois scholarship, which, perhaps hints at this?
Thanks once more..
I believe that this is the case.
Today, and indeed for many decades, the standard economic policy of Social-Democrats has been the Keynesian school of economics, but for a few years they were in a kind of a limbo. It's important to note that the Social Democracy movement originated from the dissolution of the Second International, and the factions that supported the First World War are the ancestors of today's Social Democrats, in some ways literally.
Take the German SPD for example. It was founded as a communist party in the late 19th century, and today it's a centre-left capitalist opposition party in Germany. Just studying the history of the SPD alone would probably give you a pretty important insight into Social Democracy as a whole, unfortunately I don't know of any scholarly works to point you towards.
Hope that helped a bit.
ed miliband
21st February 2012, 23:10
in places like britain it was also because capitalist infrastructure was completely in the shits post wwii
there's a funny tony been interview where he claims at first that the 1945 labour government were completely humanitarian etc and then that they had to nationalise industry etc because it wasn't profitable after the wwii
lol
ed miliband
21st February 2012, 23:15
basically read this: http://libcom.org/library/labouring-vain
Sperm-Doll Setsuna
21st February 2012, 23:18
there's a funny tony been interview where he claims at first that the 1945 labour government were completely humanitarian etc and then that they had to nationalise industry etc because it wasn't profitable after the wwii
And then Tony Benn was later involved in the nationalisations in the 70's that were explicitly done to "restructure" the industry, often by selling off things left and right and firing hundreds of thousands of workers like any good venture capitalist (indeed they had been inspired by the works of those) and acted, they said, for the good of capitalism.
Tony Benn is scum.
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