info on Mao

[Hiero]

I have little knowledge about Mao but what i do know he was responsable for the invasion of tibet and the attempt to crush the buddhist relegion and culture of tibet. Although that never happened since the buddhist's are stong. My question is can someone give me some light about this what seems to be an evil man and why he invaded tibet.

[SonofRage]

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

[Comrade Ceausescu]

**smirks**read this.I want you to read the whole thing.Mao did not "invade" Tibet.READ!LEARN! (http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/tib-in.htm)

[Bolshevika]

Tibet was part of China. These reactionaries you call "Buddhists" hijacked it and turned it into a feudal state. Same with Mongolia.

[Hiero]

Thanks for the info but still i find it hard to believe that the Lama's were an oppersive top class and treated there women as it is stated in http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/TIBET1.HTM since most Lama's that have come from tibet to teach around the world teach diferent to what is stated, even the dalai lama ceems to be the opposite of what is stated and if he is covering up this then he is one good actor.

[Ian]

Bush's 'man of peace'
The New York Times headline on Sept. 18 jumps out: "Dalai Lama says terror may need a violent reply."

The former monarch of Tibet, despite big advance publicity, drew a modest crowd to an event in New York's Central Park. Most who showed up were expecting to hear a message of peace. Perhaps they had heard George W. Bush call him a man of peace. Before the Dalai Lama went to New York he met with Bush at the White House where he was received with honors just one step below those given a head of state. In return, the Dalai Lama has given his blessing to many of Bush's projects.

In an interview just days before the Central Park event, Tenzin Gyatso, the last monarch of Tibet, said he was for nonviolence "whenever possible," but war is justified at times. The particular wars that he thought okay were World War II and the U.S. war on Korea. He thinks the war on Vietnam started out right but ended up badly. Badly for whom, he doesn't say, but the Vietnamese thought it ended well when the U.S. finally withdrew.

Tenzin "Dalai Lama" Gyatso did not clarify what side he thought was right in World War II. He had spent most of that war in the company of a Nazi SS officer, Heinrich Harrer, whose book "My Seven Years in Tibet" is a fictionalized version of their time together in the 1940s.

The Dalai Lama also praised the bombing of Afghanistan by the United States Air Force, calling it a "liberation" of the Afghans. (World Tibet Network News, a support site for the Dalai Lama, has this headline: "Dalai Lama praises U.S. approach to bombing Afghanistan." www.tibet.ca) The Afghans have a very different view of the bombing.

As for the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Dalai Lama says it was justified, though he hedged his support. Like Vietnam, it may end up going "badly"; the Iraqis may force the U.S. occupiers to leave.

These views may surprise some who've thought of the Dalai Lama as a pacifist. But Tenzin Gyatso is no pacifist.

As historian A. Tom Grunfeld, author of "The Making of Modern Tibet," says, "The Dalai Lama's description of the Tibet under his serfdom rule as 'Shangri-La' has led to an infatuation with Tibet, which is a fad that will ultimately fade. ... The fascination is not with the real Tibet but a fantasy version. A dose of the real Tibet would leave them deeply disillusioned."

Tenzin Gyatso has many views that would make him quite unpopular if they were more widely known. In "Cuddly Dalai Lama is our fantasy creation," the former director of the so-called Free Tibet Campaign, Patrick French, says, "The Dalai Lama is very different from the genial figure we see in the West." (www.smh.com.au) For example, the Dalai Lama's anti-lesbian/anti-gay views are so extreme his U.S. publisher removed them from the book "Ethics for the New Millennium" for fear they would make the book unsaleable.

French worries that the truth about the Dalai Lama is becoming more widely known and he wants to minimize its impact. The Dalai Lama has been pumped up by the imperialist West to near-god status because he has been useful for their campaign to break Tibet away from China.

Hopefully a dose of the real Dalai Lama will put an end to the illusion that this is someone who is a spokesperson for peace. The real voices for peace will be in the streets of Washington, D.C., on Oct. 25 making it clear that peace means ending the occupation of Iraq and bringing the troops home now, without any qualifications.



Reprinted from the Oct. 2, 2003, issue of Workers World newspaper

[SonofRage]

I think the Dalai Lama was likely pissed with the Taliban because they were blowing up ancient Buddhist statues that were present in Afghanistan.

[Hiero]

Replying to ian rocks about the the new york times article on the dalai lama. The reporter has taken what the Dalai Lama has said out of context.The letter at the bottom of this, to Laurie Goodstein from the Official Representative of His Holiness the Dalai Lama to the Americas.Go to this site to see the full story http://www.buddhistnews.tv/current/dl-news...fuse-011003.php (http://www.buddhistnews.tv/current/dl-news-confuse-011003.php)


Your headline, as well as the report on the interview with His Holiness the Dalai Lama by Laurie Goodstein … gives the misleading impression that His Holiness is endorsing violence as a way to confront terrorism. … His Holiness has always advocated nonviolence as the most effective method for dealing with conflict.

I can assure [you] that your article has taken His Holiness' comments out of context. For example, on the question of countering terrorism, His Holiness emphasizes the need for another level of response. This is the long-term approach. Efforts should be made towards transforming human hearts and minds, which, His Holiness suggested would require, among other things an emphasis on closer contacts between the Western world and the Middle East. A truly effective counter to terrorism is to transform the human emotions of hatred and suspicion that motivate acts of terror.

Furthermore, the reference to Osama bin Laden is not reported in the way His Holiness had put it. … He gave the example that, although an average person may feel hesitant from killing animals, because of their conditioning, butchers learn to kill animals without experiencing such discomfort.

I am not doubting what other people have said about tibet being a feudalistic country since it being so secluded from the rest of the world also im not doubting that the 14th dalai lama and the Dalai Lama's before him treated the lay people as a lower class society. Although this maybe true but him being forced to leave tibet he was seen the world seen how other buddhist monks treat layman/lawomen and not using them for there gain and power but only begging them(alms) for food and teaching them, this would of changed him.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I think the Dalai Lama was likely pissed with the Taliban because they were blowing up ancient Buddhist statues that were present in Afghanistan.

He supported the war in Iraq as well.

[Hampton]

Okay, now, let us pray that there be no war at all, if possible. However, if a war does break out, let us pray that there be a minimum bloodshed and hardship. I don't know whether our prayers will be of any practical help. But this is all we can do for the moment.


But what can we do? What can we do when big powers have already made up their minds? All we can do is to pray for a gradual end to the tradition of wars. Of course, the militaristic tradition may not end easily. But, let us think of this. If there were bloodshed, people in positions of power, or those who are responsible, will find safe places; they will escape the consequent hardship. They will find safety for themselves, one way or the other. But what about the poor people, the defenseless people, the children, the old and infirm. They are the ones who will have to bear the brunt of devastation. When weapons are fired, the result will be death and destruction. Weapons will not discriminate between the innocent and guilty. A missile, once fired, will show no respect to the innocent, poor, defenseless, or those worthy of compassion. Therefore, the real losers will be the poor and defenseless, ones who are completely innocent, and those who lead a hand-to-mouth existence.

Link (http://net127.com/archives/000203.html)


The Dalai Lama, who is here for the ongoing Kalchakra puja, called war an organised and legalised form of violence which would create more problems than it would solve.

"War will lead to a trail of destruction...and it will definitely have its impact on other countries", he said replying to a question on the continuing stand-off between the US and Iraq.

Link (http://www.tibet.ca/wtnarchive/2003/1/16_3.html)


Tibetan spiritual leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner the Dalai Lama said on Monday nothing good could come of war and dialogue was the best way to resolve conflict.

When asked about the US-led military action in Iraq, the Dalai Lama said he did not want to comment directly, but said he believed in non-violence.

"When there is war there is destruction and nothing good can come from that," he told a press conference in the Indian capital New Delhi.

"Proper conflict resolution should be through dialogue. It needs more determination and more patience. It may take more time but it is better."

The Dalai Lama, who won the Nobel Prize in 1989, added: "I do not think violence is an appropriate method. Non-violence is the right method.

"The only appropriate method of resolving a problem is dialogue not by force."

He added that the Iraq situation was "very complex" and the United Nations "could not do much" about it.

Link (http://iafrica.com/news/us_terror/iraq/226598.htm)

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

What do I care for hte words of some reactionary religious fanatic? Its a good thing that the Dalai Lama is not in Tibet right now or he would be getting a rather rude awakening by the Tibetian Maoists.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 01:26 AM
Same with Mongolia.
What right has China ever had on Mongolia?

[@[email protected]@]

:rolleyes: I have been to the Xizang Autonomous Region. There has in the world the most mystical culture. I and my very many friends have gone to Tibet. There is very destitute. But, there people extremely good and are simple and honorable. Because they have the reverent belief. But, there is in the world the natural condition worst place. Is only inferior to the south pole and the North Pole. The person in there survival simply is a miracle. I admire people's optimism. We should help them. Let they on good life.