Death Metal versus Black Metal

[Sinister Intents]

Which do you prefer if you're a fan of either genre and why?
I prefer death metal because I grew up listening to it and I find it a lot more technical and feel that it sounds better compared to black metal. Also death metal tends to be more left as I've found out, compared to black metal which is tends to be filled with even more hate, racism and satanism than death metal, btw I'm drunk typing this so I dont know how it sounds yet.

[Sam_b]

I don't feel it needs to be one choice over the other. Also, this:

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[Искра]

Black metal is apolitical. There are as much as left wing as right wing black metal bands. I like it more than death metal, because it's more raw, emotional and honest than death metal (of course, it become shit pose now... but watever...). But in the end I agree with Sam_b and I personally care more about bands than about genre. If band is good to me I don't care if they play k-pop or grindcore.

[Thirsty Crow]

If I had to choose, then I'd choose death metal, easily:

1) more intense and engaging in brutal-super-fast parts

2) more technical (in a way I consider enjoyable; there's also technicality for its own sake, especially in contemporary DM, which I despise and find unlistenable)

3) more amenable to variation, in both tempo/rhythmic patterns and influences from other genres

[Sasha]

option C: Trash-Metal :closedeyes:

[Искра]

D) Grindcore

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[gorillafuck]

I don't actively listen to either but if I hear black metal I can like it sometimes, whereas I dislike death metal.

[Fawkes]

I like a lot of what I've heard from both genres. One thing I can't stand though are the really low, guttural, "cookie monster" vocals common in death metal. I enjoy them when used very sparingly, I even use them every once in a while. It becomes really annoying though when it's basically the only vocal style used by a lot of bands. It's not even the lack of lyrical decipherability (?) that annoys me, it's just that there's pretty much no tonal variation at all. It gets really monotonous. That's why when I listen to bands like Suffocation, I don't even pay attention to the vocals.


Anyway, what about Option E: Sludge

Bullet trains may go fast and have all the horsepower, but freight trains goin along at 3 miles an hour have all the torque.

[Ostrinski]

I found death metal easier to get into. The instrumental harmony was more aesthetically pleasing to me, whereas I had to learn to appreciate black metal. But at this point, I'd say I appreciate black metal more. I think there's a lot more good black metal than death.

Option F: Post-Metal, imo the best metal genre but isn't mutually excluding of other genres.

[Grenzer]

I fucking love metal. Never heard of Post-Metal though. As with all genres of music, there are things that suck; but when Metal is good, it's epic.

[Fawkes]

Option F: Post-Metal, imo the best metal genre but isn't mutually excluding of other genres.
Band suggestions?

[gorillafuck]

stoner metal is the best form of metal.

[Искра]

stoner metal is the best form of metal.
It's called doom...

"Death to false stoners.... back to the DOOOM" Church of Misery

[Thirsty Crow]

I found death metal easier to get into. The instrumental harmony was more aesthetically pleasing to me...
Try Gorguts and Immolation, there's all the harmony you'll ever need :D


it's just that there's pretty much no tonal variation at allNailed it on the head, this can get really problematic sometimes, though BM is no different in this field.

[gorillafuck]

yeah but at least with BM the shrieked vocals are interesting to listen to, and the vocals can go back and forth from shrieked vocals and kind of weird creepy talking vocals. death grunts just sound kinda unenergetic and dull imo.

[the last donut of the night]

shoegaze black metal

[9]

It all sucks equally.

[Ostrinski]

Try Gorguts and Immolation, there's all the harmony you'll ever need :DI love Gorguts and Immolation, actually.

[Per Levy]

black metal, it just gives me so much more then death metal, even though there is good death metal out there like amon amarth and immolation.

then again mayhem ist still one of my absolout favourties:

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[Mettalian]

I love both, but Death Metal's always been my true love.

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[Lanky Wanker]

Black Metal because it suits the sort of attitude/emotion I like to hear in metal more than death metal and has more of an artistic sound to my ears. I hate to be one of those annoying self-promoters, but I have some black metal recordings on the revleft musicians sticky thread if you wanna check them out. Is it wrong that I have a fascist anti-cosmic satanist (with no concern for race) as my only real fan? :crying:

As for death metal generally being more left than black metal which is typically fascist music, it doesn't get more left wing than this with black metal:

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I'd have thought playing communist black metal live would be a death wish... anyone double dare me to forward this video onto him? :cool:


EDIT: Just found this and it made me laugh, but I'm confused about 0:50 ("no subculture hatred" written on an anti-antifa symbol...) and 1:00 (an anti-red skinhead being targeted?):

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EDIT EDIT: One of the comments on this vid is from the fan I mentioned... guess I should tell him the bad news lol.

[Lanky Wanker]

Black metal is apolitical. There are as much as left wing as right wing black metal bands.

...where the hell do you live? :confused: Almost all of the black metal musicians I know of (especially the favourites) are nationalist/racist/fascist, even though I don't know a shit load of bands from any particular genre anyway.

[Decommissioner]

I personally prefer black metal. Aside from the "true norwegian kvlt" black metal, I feel the genre is more experimental and flexible. I listen to everything from Immortal to Gnaw their Tongues

I used to be huge on technical death metal, but I just like the raw emotion that emits from black metal more. This is probably also the reason I gravitated more towards hardcore and punk music as I grew older. I used to be a metalhead through and through, but just fast riffing and technicality just doesn't do it for me anymore, I need the sloppiness and primal riffs black metal, punk, hardcore and sludge music provides. I still have a soft spot in my heart for death metal and power metal, but I just can't take it as seriously as I used to.

[Yuppie Grinder]

black metal is my favorite sort of metal by far, but i care for all sorts other than power metal and the progressive metal

[Yuppie Grinder]

I personally prefer black metal. Aside from the "true norwegian kvlt" black metal, I feel the genre is more experimental and flexible. I listen to everything from Immortal to Gnaw their Tongues

I used to be huge on technical death metal, but I just like the raw emotion that emits from black metal more. This is probably also the reason I gravitated more towards hardcore and punk music as I grew older. I used to be a metalhead through and through, but just fast riffing and technicality just doesn't do it for me anymore, I need the sloppiness and primal riffs black metal, punk, hardcore and sludge music provides. I still have a soft spot in my heart for death metal and power metal, but I just can't take it as seriously as I used to.
you are the only other person i've met who's heard of gnaw their tounges
they are dope as fuck

[Astarte]

Personally, I like both Black Metal and Death Metal equally, some Death Metal Bands suck, and some Black Metal Bands suck, but ... after all ...

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[Rusty Shackleford]

doom, drone, stoner, sludge, psychedelic, but if i had to take sides in this affair, id say death metal.


but to be honest, death and black have that 'paper tiger' feel. trow in an old school death metal riff into a sludge song though, and oh man, oooooooooh man.

[$lim_$weezy]

Eh I think I prefer death metal overall, my favorite bands being Incantation, Defeated Sanity, and Suffocation. However, I also really love black metal (Immortal, Summoning, Drudkh). Really, I can find bands I like in every metal subgenre.

Anyone here like drone? I recently got Sunn O))) "ØØ Void" and Black Boned Angel's "Verdun". I especially like the latter.

[Искра]

...where the hell do you live? :confused: Almost all of the black metal musicians I know of (especially the favourites) are nationalist/racist/fascist, even though I don't know a shit load of bands from any particular genre anyway.
Only famoust racist band is Burzum.

Darkthrone, Mayhem, Bathory, Venom, Immortal etc. are apolitical.

Doom metal is the best of all... also drone and sludge. I love Church Of Misery, Electric Wizard, Jucifer, Thorr's Hammer, Sun O)))...

[Rusty Shackleford]

Eh I think I prefer death metal overall, my favorite bands being Incantation, Defeated Sanity, and Suffocation. However, I also really love black metal (Immortal, Summoning, Drudkh). Really, I can find bands I like in every metal subgenre.

Anyone here like drone? I recently got Sunn O))) "ØØ Void" and Black Boned Angel's "Verdun". I especially like the latter.
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[$lim_$weezy]

Oh hell yeah. Boris is great. I listen to "Absolutego" quite frequently, actually. Good shit, as is "Amplifier Worship" or course.

Anyone hear the new Earth?

[Lanky Wanker]

Only famoust racist band is Burzum.

Darkthrone, Mayhem, Bathory, Venom, Immortal etc. are apolitical.

Doom metal is the best of all... also drone and sludge. I love Church Of Misery, Electric Wizard, Jucifer, Thorr's Hammer, Sun O)))...

No no no, the term is "nationalist" :rolleyes:. He's said the only two things that separate him from the Nazis are that he's not a socialist or a nationalist, but also says he believes in racial segregation. Makes sense lol. Gaahl (Gorgoroth, now in some other band) is also racist, he called blacks animals or something like that according to Wikpedia. Nargaroth aren't exactly famous, but one of my favourites, and the singer said the music is made "by the white man for the white man" or some stupid crap like that. Then there's another unheard of band, Peste Noire, whose frontman is a strong French nationalist. I guess I just run into the wrong bands...

[Catma]

The lack of vocal variation is what forces death metal to be more technical. If the guitars don't stand as a complete musical entity on their own, you're fucking sunk.

A lot of DM bands with talented vocalists include more and more clean vocals as time goes on, and their guitars get worse and worse. The vocalist wants to grow and protect his/her voicebox, and it leads to this situation.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Earth is wonderful. listened to them on the amtrak going from the bay back to sacramento once. sun set, window seat, doing backwards and listening to them was pretty cool.


also, shameless self promotion

Doom Drone Sludge and Stoner metal music group on revleft (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=732)

[Lanky Wanker]

The lack of vocal variation is what forces death metal to be more technical. If the guitars don't stand as a complete musical entity on their own, you're fucking sunk.

A lot of DM bands with talented vocalists include more and more clean vocals as time goes on, and their guitars get worse and worse. The vocalist wants to grow and protect his/her voicebox, and it leads to this situation.

Cannibal Corpse are the perfect example of of this lol. George Corpsegrinder's vocals aren't as guttural as Chris Barnes' which changed in time with their style going more technical from just powerchords and tremolo picking.

[Tonyviner]

I haven't come across too much death metal that is politically motivated. There are some black metal bands that I think are. Wolves in the Throne Room come to mind. Here is a link to a facebook page that I discovered a while back. It is a lot of crust-punky black metal.

The general question is a toss up for me. I can just as easily enjoy Opeth or Cannibal Corpse just as well as I can Cof, Dimmu, Burzum. However, name-call if you'd like, but I typically enjoy black metal that has good production value. For instance, old Gorgoroth or Behemoth are a lot more difficult to listen to than their newer stuff. Emperor doesn't have the most production, but they make it sound good. Of course, Ihsahn is a genius. Have you heard his other stuff?

In any case, I guess I like them about the same. It just depends.

Not too keen on a lot of these new bands. Asking Alexandria, Devil Wears Prada, etc. They all sound the same, and their shirts all look like the same colorful bloody diarrhea vomit with scratchy, "brutal" looking logos. Give me a break.

[Lanky Wanker]

Not too keen on a lot of these new bands. Asking Alexandria, Devil Wears Prada, etc. They all sound the same, and their shirts all look like the same colorful bloody diarrhea vomit with scratchy, "brutal" looking logos. Give me a break.

*Heeeeeaaaaaaave*

That's an insult to the name of Metal! But yeah, they are fun to laugh at.

[$lim_$weezy]

I assume you meant to post the Red and Anarchist Black Metal Blogspot
http://r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/

I agree with you on deathcore being shit, haha. But there are definitely some good bands with bloody diarrhea vomit logos :D. In fact, some of the best bands have unreadable logos.

[Rusty Shackleford]

actually an on topic contribution.


the album Midnattens Widunder by Finntroll is considered black-ish folk metal for what they usually make. is there any, more black, black metal that has the same sort of vibe?

[Ostrinski]

Not too keen on a lot of these new bands. Asking Alexandria, Devil Wears Prada, etc. They all sound the same, and their shirts all look like the same colorful bloody diarrhea vomit with scratchy, "brutal" looking logos. Give me a break.Fuck that scene shit. All sounds the same.

Edit: Only deathcore band I like is After the Burial

Guilty pleasure I guess

[gorillafuck]

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despite that I'm not really into black metal at all aside from when driving through snow storms through the wooded roads at the stroke of midnight, I love tracks like this that black metal bands do.

[Fawkes]

The lack of vocal variation is what forces death metal to be more technical. If the guitars don't stand as a complete musical entity on their own, you're fucking sunk.

A lot of DM bands with talented vocalists include more and more clean vocals as time goes on, and their guitars get worse and worse. The vocalist wants to grow and protect his/her voicebox, and it leads to this situation.

Yeah, I know vocals in death metal tend to serve as more of a textural instrument than a melodic/harmonic/rhythmic one, but it's just that that texture gets really monotonous when there's so little variation in it.

And as far as vocal variation hindering overall complexity, what about Mr. Bungle? While they're not strictly death metal, they make some of the most technically complex music I've ever heard, and Mike Patton is probably the single most talented vocalist ever when it comes to stylistic variation. (Another one of Patton's bands, Fantomas, is probably closer to qualifying as death metal)

[gorillafuck]

I never know what to think of music that's wicked fast and intense but also wicked technical. It doesn't work for me. all the wicked fast intense music I listen to is just power chords in 4/4 for like 2 minutes.

[Искра]

This is metal:

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And this is a t-shirt I'm wearing at the moment:
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[$lim_$weezy]

Electric Wizard really is great, but my favorite album is "Come My Fanatics" by far. "Return Trip" is just about the heaviest thing ever, besides maybe Cianide or some shit.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Electric Wizard really is great, but my favorite album is "Come My Fanatics" by far. "Return Trip" is just about the heaviest thing ever, besides maybe Cianide or some shit.
doom-mantia over a clip from begotten is fucking heavy. and honestly, i cant even watch the whole thing.
i guess a content warning and maybe a "dont be on anything like shrooms or whatever while watching" warning.
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as for death metal, i forgot to mention how much i fucking love necrophagist.


its definitely technical but its awesome.

and jesus christ they are awesome live

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[CountryKid]

Black Metal, but you wouldnt catch me near a BM show. :)

[Zav]

Also death metal tends to be more left as I've found out, compared to black metal which is tends to be filled with even more hate, racism and satanism than death metal, btw I'm drunk typing this so I dont know how it sounds yet.
So you find Satanism negative along the lines of hatred and racism, yet your avatar is a pentagram with the head of Baphomet with ''Leviathan'' around the ring. That is the most Satanic symbol there is, apart from LaVey himself.

I like both, but I also prefer Death Metal (plain, Technical, Melodic, Old School, Symphonic, 's'all good), not for political meaning, but for the sound. It's quite relaxing. People think I'm odd for falling asleep to it.

[trubkin pipeface]

this is a t-shirt I'm wearing at the moment:

are you rly that fat imashamedof yous
also shosvxtakovichfzs 8thstrng kwartet is the only real metla ufck yalkidsnur p retentions ofsuvberisvenessss

[Искра]

are you rly that fat imashamedof yous
also shosvxtakovichfzs 8thstrng kwartet is the only real metla ufck yalkidsnur p retentions ofsuvberisvenessss
Dude, as troll you suck. I'll open school for trolls, so that you learn how to do it...

[pax et aequalitas]

I prefer the more melodic death metal like Amon Amarth, Norther, Children of Bodom etc.
Black Metal is one of the few metal genres I don't really like much. I don't neccessarily dislike it, but it just doesn't really get me excited.

[Искра]

Children of Bodom is not death metal. It's what I call "nerd metal" :D

[gorillafuck]

COB almost never use d-beats. if they did use them, they would be at least fun to listen to in the same way that it's fun to listen to ultra corny power metal. but they almost never do (at least based on what I heard).

[Decommissioner]

you are the only other person i've met who's heard of gnaw their tounges
they are dope as fuck

Yeah they are pretty awesome. The music actually sounds terrifying to me. I love it when certain music can just paint the most perfect cinematic picture in your head, and gnaw your tongues songs sound like the worst kind of hell. I love it.

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And while we're talking about drone, sludge etc.

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This song is on one of my favorite albums, the vocals sort of marry black metal with sludge music.

[$lim_$weezy]

Yesssss Rusty Shackleford. That is a great video. Speaking of horrific shit... I love me some Portal.

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Also, I saw Necrophagist live as well, and they do indeed kick ass. However, my favorite technical death of the wanky variety is probably Pavor. That bass... those solos...

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Edit: vidyas not embedded. Oh well.

[Deicide]

I only like melodic death metal bands, like Inflames.

Black metal is too much for me.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

I only like melodic death metal bands, like Inflames.

Black metal is too much for me.


Agree. But imo, the same goes for black metal. But then it needs some folkish, paganism to be really good, like Folkodia, Arkona and others.


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[Doflamingo]

Death/Thrash/Grind > Stoner/Doom > Black > Heavy > Metalcore