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NorwegianCommunist
17th February 2012, 18:18
Does anybody have a list? Or even a source with accurate numbers that shows how many people USA has killed. In wars, slavery, how many Indians where killed etc.
I am also curious of have many deaths capitalism has caused.
Everybody talks about the deaths of that communism have caused and I want to know numbers of how many people got killed during a country that was capitalism.
Q
17th February 2012, 20:27
Good question.
I'm not sure of any reliable sources that keep track.
Ostrinski
17th February 2012, 20:35
I imagine it'd be hard to conjure up a reliable number. You could just tally up all the deaths from various wars and conflicts, but it would be much harder to put a number on the number of deaths caused as a result of western business activity in foreign markets.
Ocean Seal
17th February 2012, 20:52
In just the Iraq war, they are responsible for more than 1.4 million deaths. In Afghanistan the number has reached more than 100,000 deaths. During the water sanctions placed on Iraq, it is estimated that more than 500,000 people died. The Native Americans were slaughtered in far greater numbers. 300,000 people died when Suharto assaulted East Timor, also 1-2 million people died when the US gave Indonesia the ok to kill the communist infiltrators. The Peruvian government is responsible for the killings of about 40,000 innocents when they crushed the Maoist insurrection. In Libya the Yankees and their friends killed about 20,000 innocents. In Vietnam the Americans killed approximately 3.25 million people. Pinochet tortured an excess of 400,000 people and had about 10,000 killed with tens of thousands more disappeared. Thousands of miners died every year in the United States during the Gilded age. It is estimated that the United States captured about 50 million slaves from Africa. In Colombia the statistics are not reliable but people are dying everyday from government death squads. And the drug dealers that the US empowered in Mexico murder people everyday. Lets not forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Think that I've whipped out the big guns yet. Nope
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t is estimated that the United States has at the very minimum been responsible for 14 million deaths of Native Americans during its expansionism. The high estimate on this figure (though poorly constructed) numbers as high as 95 million.
The first world war, fought between the capitalist powers killed 47 million people.
In the neo-colony of India 287 million people have died from starvation since independence.
So yes, but why focus on only the Americans. The French killed 20,000 during the take back of the Bastile, and 500,000 in Haiti.
Bostana
17th February 2012, 20:58
Wells let's see.
It's 2012 and the U.S. was started in 1776......that's over 200 years so carry the 5.....and add the 6....divided by 11........times 55
So the would tally up to.....
A LOT OF PEOPLE
TheGodlessUtopian
17th February 2012, 21:04
The "Secret" bombing of Cambodia also killed 500,000-1,000,000 people.
Because of the bombing the Kemher Rouge were able to remain in power and consolidate their grip on the country so one could take it further and add in those deaths.
TheGodlessUtopian
17th February 2012, 21:05
http://www.revleft.com/vb/imperialism-39-s-t62702/index.html
This might help you.
Bostana
17th February 2012, 21:11
And yet the assholes still think Stalin is the murderer
Os Cangaceiros
17th February 2012, 21:24
Why does it matter? So we can compete in the moronic dick-waving numbers game by pulling inaccurate numbers out of our collective ass like so many "anti-communists"?
ВАЛТЕР
17th February 2012, 21:42
Sure the US has killed a metric fuckton of people. However the same could be said for England, Germany, France, Italy, China, Japan, Korea, and pretty much every single nation in the world if you look back far enough in their history.
The thing which pisses me off about the US in particular though, is their outright lies. They will never ever, ever claim to have harmed a civilian except on "accident" as "collateral damage". However the whole world knows that they are baby murdering, terrors from the sky.
If you are gonna be an imperialist dick just come out and fucking say it. Don't insult everyones collective intelligence by acting sorry you bombed a hospital, or a passenger train, or a school, and don't act insulted when you are accused of doing so.
Grenzer
17th February 2012, 21:48
It's probably impossible to come up with an accurate body count caused by the United States, and it's kind of beside the point. Regardless of how many people capitalism did or didn't kill, it's no less of a shitty system.
And yet the assholes still think Stalin is the murderer
Actually, one of the biggest problems we assholes have with Stalin is that he was a capitalist, but that's kind of irrelevant for the purposes of this topic.
The Cheshire Cat
18th February 2012, 10:43
Does anybody have a list? Or even a source with accurate numbers that shows how many people USA has killed. In wars, slavery, how many Indians where killed etc.
I am also curious of have many deaths capitalism has caused.
Everybody talks about the deaths of that communism have caused and I want to know numbers of how many people got killed during a country that was capitalism.
These are the civilian casualties from about the past 50 years caused by the US (the deaths resulting of the exploitaion of countries are not included).
If one would include those, it would be over a 100 million. I also did not include the casualties of wars that were provoked by the US without the US actually participating in it.
These are just the civilian casualties who were killed by US bullets fired by US guns triggered by US soldiers. I think you get the idea.
Vietnam: 3,500,000
Cambodia: 2,000,000
Laos: 500,000
Guatemala: 200,000
Iraq: 2,000,000 (half are children under 5)
Korea: 2,000,000
Hiroshima/Nagasaki: 150,000
Dresden: 500,000
Philippines: 200,000
Afghanistan: 1,000,000
Indonesia: 1,000,000
East Timor: 200,000
Greece: 10,000
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