How much longer can capitalism survive?

[Blanquist]

Many would agree that the Russian Revolution was the only successful workers revolution that brought the working class to power.

But this was 95 years ago.

I don't see how the 20th century can not be seen as failure after failure for socialists. It was a great lesson, but many things have to be rejected and not glorified.

Whenever a protest, war, or a drop in the stock market happens somewhere theres always a Marxist who says its the start of 'the revolution'

The old theory is always sound and correct and failure is blamed on this or that 'betrayal'

What makes 2012 or 2020 any more likely to bring about a workers revolution, as any other period in the last 100 years?


How much longer can capitalism survive? By 2050 we will see pilot-less planes and worker-less factories. And then, with this qualitative change in capitalism, we will have to completely re-think the old theories.

This is a future that socialists must be theoretically ready for.

I think the socialist movement needs new ideas, new symbols and new theories.

[TrotskistMarx]

I don't know about when can we see socialism in most countries. However I like to talk about psychology, and the behaviour of people and sociology, in order to explain the psychologic causes of why most keep voting for capitalist parties, instead of voting for socialist parties. You know most people in this world live a very busy life, and many people are even very far from any politics. Many people in this world still don't have computers and internet. And those who do have computers like in USA, Europe and other countries out there do not have many literacy skills, many reading skills so that' s why they rely a lot more on TV news than on in internet news. There are a lot and a lot of things right now in this world, that are impediment for socialism. It is the job of the left worldwide to destroy those impediments and barriers that are a major block toward a socialist world. thanks

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Many would agree that the Russian Revolution was the only successful workers revolution that brought the working class to power.

But this was 95 years ago.

I don't see how the 20th century can not be seen as failure after failure for socialists. It was a great lesson, but many things have to be rejected and not glorified.

Whenever a protest, war, or a drop in the stock market happens somewhere theres always a Marxist who says its the start of 'the revolution'

The old theory is always sound and correct and failure is blamed on this or that 'betrayal'

What makes 2012 or 2020 any more likely to bring about a workers revolution, as any other period in the last 100 years?


How much longer can capitalism survive? By 2050 we will see pilot-less planes and worker-less factories. And then, with this qualitative change in capitalism, we will have to completely re-think the old theories.

This is a future that socialists must be theoretically ready for.

I think the socialist movement needs new ideas, new symbols and new theories.

[Bostana]

That I cannot answers.
Know one knows when Capitalism will die. But it will start to die when the Worker rises up against the Bourgeoisie and installs the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Trust me by the way things are going Capitalism will not last long.

[CommunityBeliever]

Theoretically, capitalism could through a cycle of depressions and recoveries essentially forever. However, history shows that society generally progresses through these cycles to new modes of production, but when exactly this will happen we cannot be sure. We are currently going through a new dark age that includes wars, rebellions, depressions, and crises. It could be that in this age socialism will arise, or it could be that socialism will be defeated yet again and capitalism will recover to be extended to the indefinite future.

[Prometeo liberado]

Not that I see a revolution on the horizon but I do see capitalism coming to an end within a generation or two. Neo-Liberalism is doin to capitalism what years of socialist agitation could not. Neo-Cannabalism is probably the best way to describe the current epoch we are in. It is up to those who suffer the most whether to acquiesce and perish slowly or organize and take over slowly. Either way much suffering will occur.

[anticapitalista]

Sometime in the next two hundred years, relentless capitalist self-interest will create superintelligent machines that destroy us all. So it's probably a good idea for us to have the socialist revolution before that happens...

[CommunityBeliever]

Sometime in the next two hundred years, relentless capitalist self-interest will create superintelligent machines that destroy us all. So it's probably a good idea for us to have the socialist revolution before that happens...

Actually the relentless pursuit of capitalist self-interest created the AI winter. If the capitalists ever develop superintelligent machines it will be by foregoing the destructive competition to fund a government research agency like DARPA to organise AI developers. In general, most technological progress in the past century has come from state agencies because private corporations are too incompetent.

[blake 3:17]

Too long.

[roy]

We're drowning in symbols and theories already. I think it'd be nice to have a coherent message as well as theoretical and tactical unity. I don't think the collapse of capitalism necessitates world socialist revolution, either. Economic, environmental and political crises will continue to escalate and with the world in disarray lies the chance for workers to seize production and socialists to organise.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Personally, I think it can't last longer than the current century. That doesn't mean socialism will automatically replace it. There's a good chance of capitalism collapsing into something even more barbaric.

[Mr. Natural]

Capitalism is a systemic process that, with globalization, has reached the end of its line. Most unfortunately, though, this globalization also means that the human mind as well as human labor has been enveloped by systemic capitalist institutions and values. This is the source of the amazing lack of any real class awareness in the working class of the USA, for instance. Or I could point to Occupy Wall Street's failure to connect Wall Street's abuses to the capitalist system from which they arise.

The globalization of capital means that its necessary expansion must now turn inward into ever more exploitive practices that will create increasing conflict. "The rockets' red glare, bombs bursting in air..."

This unchallenged globalization of capital is also a disaster ecologically, and will also result in conflicts here, there, everywhere.

The problem is that with the death of Marx and Engels and the Russian Revolution, Marxist theory has languished. The various left forums are conservative as hell theoretically, and this is decidedly un-Marxian.

[VivaCastro]

I don't know about when can we see socialism in most countries. However I like to talk about psychology, and the behaviour of people and sociology, in order to explain the psychologic causes of why most keep voting for capitalist parties, instead of voting for socialist parties. You know most people in this world live a very busy life, and many people are even very far from any politics. Many people in this world still don't have computers and internet. And those who do have computers like in USA, Europe and other countries out there do not have many literacy skills, many reading skills so that' s why they rely a lot more on TV news than on in internet news. There are a lot and a lot of things right now in this world, that are impediment for socialism. It is the job of the left worldwide to destroy those impediments and barriers that are a major block toward a socialist world. thanks

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I think that is a key point. A lot of the garbage that is put across the news via internet, TV is all because the countries with this technology are capitalist countries and where children are brought up from early ages to only one side of the story. How can you blame some people.