Socialist America: What Would You Do?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

If a successful proletarian revolution took place in the United States and all government and military power was handed over to you (or your Party), what would you do? In your new nation, there are still large counterrevolutionary forces committing terrorist acts against the state and people. The economy has come to a complete halt due to the sudden and violent end of the capitalist market. Who would have power in your nation? What leftist philosophy will it follow? What would you name it (including other small details)? What would you do with the economy? How would you provide for the people? What will your foreign policy be? etc....

Personally, I would name the people's new nation the American People's Democratic Republic. All central power would only be given to the members of the American People's Communist Party. The Party and the Government would follow antirevisionist Marxism-Leninism. The President of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the People's Republic would be the supreme legislature; the Chairman of the Council of the People's Commissars would be given executive powers; the Chief Justice of the People's Supreme Court would be given full representative powers for the National Socialist Legal Council, a council of ten judges appointed by the Premier and approved by the Supreme Soviet of the People's Republic; and the Chairman of the Politboro of the American People's Communist Party would have power over the supreme Party within the limits of democratic centralism. There will be collective leadership and every government official will be voted on through either direct democracy or representive democracy, depending on the post. The flag would be the same as the former flag of the Soviet Union. The anthem would be the Internationale.

First, I would committ the government to rebuilding areas across the nation badly affected by the revolution. I would immediately nationalize health care, the oil industry, the capital of large companies, and housing. I would then set up a Commissariat of Socialist Transition that will transfer all the remaining private capital into the hands of the state, which will in turn be used as public property. The new constitution will provide the rights for all to life necessities, employment, and liberty. Many traditional freedoms that do not hurt the people or the dictatorship of the proletariat will be kept. Counterrevolutionaries will be attacked into submission using revolutionary terror that will in no way purposely hurt any honest citizens. Terror will be continued against those who committ terrorist acts against the people, the state, and the people's economy. Abortion and gay marriage will be legalized immediately. Equal rights for everyone and every organization (not anticommunist organizations) will be provided (though I have some reservations toward rights for religious groups). My foreign policy, considering the United States is so developed as it is, would be to help existing socialist nations develop and to aid revolutionary movements in every nation on the planet. We will never attack any nation unless we are attacked first, then we'll crush them and let the people create a socialist state. We will create a nice atmosphere for worldwide revolution to occur, considering the U.S. has been historically known for being one of the biggest imperialist roadblocks to socialist freedom. American labor will be controlled by worker's councils that will be mointored by government supervisors. We will work to make every person a member of the working class by requiring productivity in some way or another from every person.

[Susurrus]

Juche? Communism-Nationalism? Really?

[Caj]

I answered a few questions:


If a successful proletarian revolution took place in the United States and all government and military power was handed over to you (or your Party), what would you do?

Smash it! :cool:


In your new nation, there are still large counterrevolutionary forces committing terrorist acts against the state and people.

What state?


Who would have power in your nation?

If it's truly a "proletarian revolution", shouldn't this be obvious?


What leftist philosophy will it follow?

Different experiments would be tried in different regions depending on material conditions. Some regions might adopt a federal system whereby various communities are united by a demarchically selected central council. Other regions might favor other models of economic and administrative organization.


What would you do with the economy?

Again, different experiments would be tried in different regions depending on the material conditions of that region. I'd imagine that most regions would initially adopt a collectivized economic system with a system of remuneration for labor and a communal market. Eventually, this would be replaced with a system of pure (marketless, moneyless) communism.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

No Trots and one Juche? Surprised.

EDIT: Oh, just noticed all the left communists.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd kill anyone who took part in the revolution that I rose to power with. They cannot be trusted!

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Marxist Leninist, where are you? My vote's all lonely.

[eric922]

If I have to figure out who will hold power after a worker's revolution, I probably did it wrong.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Juche? Communism-Nationalism? Really?

Well, the revolutionary struggle in Vietnam was nationalistic and communist. Plus, Trotskyists always fantasize about having their own little weird revolution,so I just added them to the already strange choices.

[#FF0000]

Well, the revolutionary struggle in Vietnam was nationalistic and communist. Plus, Trotskyists always fantasize about having their own little weird revolution,so I just added them to the already strange choices.

So like

how long ago did you decide 'I'm a communist'

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Sung need to stop coming back to life just to vote for their ideology. Juche isnt even a post revolutionary system, I just added it in there for the hell of it.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

So like

how long ago did you decide 'I'm a communist'

What?

[Prometeo liberado]

Your a post revolutionary system! That's where this is going.

[Blake's Baby]

Why would I be given supreme executive power? I live in a different continent.

How do these two sentences even go together?

"If a successful proletarian revolution took place in the United States and all government and military power was handed over to you (or your Party), what would you do? In your new nation, there are still large counterrevolutionary forces committing terrorist acts against the state and people..."

So now we define a 'successful proletarian revolution' as one that gives state power to a party, in one country, where a large counter-revolutionary force is operating? Man, no wonder 'the left' has such a bad image. "Hey, like our philosophy! It involves you getting killed for our dictatorship, then in the early stages of the World Civil War you've launched for us, we'll tell you that you've won! Yipee!"

Anyway, supreme executive power rests on a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony.

[marl]

Voted Juche just because.

[Tim Cornelis]

I would rename America:

Socialist Ultra Free People's Republic of Joy, Happiness, Solidarity, the United Socialist States of the New World (or SUFPRJHSUSSNW for short). I would base my system of government on strange women lying in ponds distributing swords, and the person receiving the sword would be declared the Eternal President of Joy, Happiness, and Solidarty.

The national anthem would be "Socialism Rocks" by some obscure Maoist band:

FpNY7dH0ujI (only version with subtitles -- full version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDL-Ucw6mY )

I'm undecided on the national flag though.

[Crux]

Voted Juche for the lulz.
v_KKgzVspag

[TrotskistMarx]

Hello my friend, I am one of the hugriest persons for any form of statism in USA, because i have some dental problems, thyroid problems. And i can't afford to get a good dental treatment and good health service under the NEOLIBERAL ECONOMIC MODEL of Democrats and Republicans. Neoliberalism is a hell on earth. I conform to any Marxism-Leninism, Trotskism, Socialism of the 21st Century, etc.

Damn man its real hard to be healthy in the Neoliberal American Capitalist Oligarchic Privatized economic model. In fact The US congress under The Republican Party has been so ultra-right winger and extremist, that they cancelled The Free Health Care Medicare program to my father. This Neoliberal Capitalist privatist economic model in USA is a pain in the ass. In this stage of capitalism even putting air into your tire in any gas station costs money.

Even highways charge you like 5 dollars just to use them. what a hell of inflation, dollar devaluation, taxes, bills etc. life in America is right now for most americans.

And let's all obsess compulsively about a Socialist Workers government in USA. A dictatorship of the USA working class and peasants. Thanks !!


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If a successful proletarian revolution took place in the United States and all government and military power was handed over to you (or your Party), what would you do? In your new nation, there are still large counterrevolutionary forces committing terrorist acts against the state and people. The economy has come to a complete halt due to the sudden and violent end of the capitalist market. Who would have power in your nation? What leftist philosophy will it follow? What would you name it (including other small details)? What would you do with the economy? How would you provide for the people? What will your foreign policy be? etc....

Personally, I would name the people's new nation the American People's Democratic Republic. All central power would only be given to the members of the American People's Communist Party. The Party and the Government would follow antirevisionist Marxism-Leninism. The President of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the People's Republic would be the supreme legislature; the Chairman of the Council of the People's Commissars would be given executive powers; the Chief Justice of the People's Supreme Court would be given full representative powers for the National Socialist Legal Council, a council of ten judges appointed by the Premier and approved by the Supreme Soviet of the People's Republic; and the Chairman of the Politboro of the American People's Communist Party would have power over the supreme Party within the limits of democratic centralism. There will be collective leadership and every government official will be voted on through either direct democracy or representive democracy, depending on the post. The flag would be the same as the former flag of the Soviet Union. The anthem would be the Internationale.

First, I would committ the government to rebuilding areas across the nation badly affected by the revolution. I would immediately nationalize health care, the oil industry, the capital of large companies, and housing. I would then set up a Commissariat of Socialist Transition that will transfer all the remaining private capital into the hands of the state, which will in turn be used as public property. The new constitution will provide the rights for all to life necessities, employment, and liberty. Many traditional freedoms that do not hurt the people or the dictatorship of the proletariat will be kept. Counterrevolutionaries will be attacked into submission using revolutionary terror that will in no way purposely hurt any honest citizens. Terror will be continued against those who committ terrorist acts against the people, the state, and the people's economy. Abortion and gay marriage will be legalized immediately. Equal rights for everyone and every organization (not anticommunist organizations) will be provided (though I have some reservations toward rights for religious groups). My foreign policy, considering the United States is so developed as it is, would be to help existing socialist nations develop and to aid revolutionary movements in every nation on the planet. We will never attack any nation unless we are attacked first, then we'll crush them and let the people create a socialist state. We will create a nice atmosphere for worldwide revolution to occur, considering the U.S. has been historically known for being one of the biggest imperialist roadblocks to socialist freedom. American labor will be controlled by worker's councils that will be mointored by government supervisors. We will work to make every person a member of the working class by requiring productivity in some way or another from every person.

[Omsk]

Voted Marxism Leninism because of obvious reasons,and because it was even with Left-Unknown-Communism.

[The Douche]

Thread moved to chit-chat... c'mon...

[Pretty Flaco]

if there was a revolutionary situation in the united states, obscure leftist sects would be irrelevant.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

As a staunch supporter of the ultra-left, I would institute juche

[Q]

Thank you cmoney for putting it in the place where it should be.

As to the OP: Nice roleplaying, but this forum might be more to your liking (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/).

[Lenina Rosenweg]

This might help


Uncle Leon

Should America go communist as a result of the difficulties and problems that your capitalist social order is unable to solve, it will discover that communism, far from being an intolerable bureaucratic tyranny and individual regimentation, will be the means of greater individual liberty and shared abundance.

At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union. They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union.

They fear lest communism should try to fit them to a bed of Procrustes, and they point to the bulwark of Anglo-Saxon conservatism as an insuperable obstacle even to possibly desirable reforms. They argue that Great Britain and Japan would undertake military intervention against the American soviets. They shudder lest Americans be regimented in their habits of dress and diet, be compelled to subsist on famine rations, be forced to read stereotyped official propaganda in the newspapers, be coerced to serve as rubber stamps for decisions arrived at without their active participation or be required to keep their thoughts to themselves and loudly praise their soviet leaders in public, through fear of imprisonment and exile.

They fear monetary inflation, bureaucratic tyranny and intolerable red tape in obtaining the necessities of life. They fear soulless standardization in the arts and sciences, as well as in the daily necessities of life. They fear that all political spontaneity and the presumed freedom of the press will be destroyed by the dictatorship of a monstrous bureaucracy. And they shudder at the thought of being forced into an uncomprehended glibness in Marxist dialectic and disciplined social philosophies. They fear, in a word, that Soviet America will become the counterpart of what they have been told Soviet Russia looks like.

Actually American soviets will be as different from the Russian soviets as the United States of President Roosevelt differs from the Russian Empire of Czar Nicholas II. Yet communism can come in America only through revolution, just as independence and democracy came in America. The American temperament is energetic and violent, and it will insist on breaking a good many dishes and upsetting a good many apple carts before communism is firmly established. Americans are enthusiasts and sportsmen before they are specialists and statesmen, and it would be contrary to the American tradition to make a major change without choosing sides and cracking heads.

However, the American communist revolution will be insignificant compared to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, in terms of your national wealth and population, no matter how great its comparative cost. That is because civil war of a revolutionary nature isn’t fought by the handful of men at the top – the 5 or 10 percent who own nine-tenths of American wealth; this handful could recruit its counterrevolutionary armies only from among the lower middle classes. Even so, the revolution could easily attract them to its banner by showing that support of the soviets alone offers them the prospect of salvation.

Everybody below this group is already economically prepared for communism. The depression has ravaged your working class and has dealt a crushing blow to the farmers, who had already been injured by the long agricultural decline of the postwar decade. There is no reason why these groups should counterpose determined resistance to the revolution; they have nothing to lose, providing, of course, that the revolutionary leaders adopt a farsightcd and moderate policy toward them.

Who else will fight against communism? Your corporal’s guard of billionaires and multimillionaires? Your Mellons, Morgans, Fords and Rockefellers? They will cease struggling as soon as they fail to find other people to fight for them.

The American soviet government will take firm possession of the commanding heights of your business system: the banks, the key industries and the transportation and communication systems. It will then give the farmers, the small tradespeople and businessmen a good long time to think things over and see how well the nationalized section of industry is working.

Here is where the American soviets can produce real miracles. "Technocracy" can come true only under communism, when the dead hands of private property rights and private profits are lifted from your industrial system. The most daring proposals of the Hoover commission on standardization and rationalization will seem childish compared to the new possibilities let loose by American communism.

National industry will be organized along the line of the conveyor belt in your modern continuous-production automotive factories. Scientific planning can be lifted out of the individual factory and applied to your entire economic system. The results will be stupendous.

Costs of production will be cut to 20 percent, or less, of their present figure. This, in turn, would rapidly increase your farmers’ purchasing power.

To be sure, the American soviets would establish their own gigantic farm enterprises, as schools of voluntary collectivization. Your farmers could easily calculate whether it was to their individual advantage to remain as isolated links or to join the public chain.

The same method would be used to draw small businesses and industries into the national organization of industry. By soviet control of raw materials, credits and quotas of orders, these secondary industries could be kept solvent until they were gradually and without compulsion sucked into the socialized business system.

Without compulsion! The American soviets would not need to resort to the drastic measures that circumstances have often imposed upon the Russians. In the United States, through the science of publicity and advertising, you have means for winning the support of your middle class that were beyond the reach of the soviets of backward Russia with its vast majority of pauperized and illiterate peasants. This, in addition to your technical equipment and your wealth, is the greatest asset of your coming communist revolution. Your revolution will be smoother in character than ours; you will not waste your energies and resources in costly social conflicts after the main issues have been decided; and you will move ahead so much more rapidly in consequence.

Even the intensity and devotion of religious sentiment in America will not prove an obstacle to the revolution. If one assumes the perspective of soviets in America, none of the psychological brakes will prove firm enough to retard the pressure of the social crisis. This has been demonstrated more than once in history. Besides, it should not be forgotten that the Gospels themselves contain some pretty explosive aphorisms.

As to the comparatively few opponents of the soviet revolution, one can trust to American inventive genius. It may well be that you will take your unconvinced millionaires and send them to some picturesque island, rent-free for life, where they can do as they please.

You can do this safely, for you will not need to fear foreign interventions. Japan, Great Britain and the other capitalistic countries that intervened in Russia couldn’t do anything but take American communism lying down. As a matter of fact, the victory of communism in America – the stronghold of capitalism – will cause communism to spread to other countries. Japan will probably have joined the communistic ranks even before the establishment of the American soviets. The same is true of Great Britain.

In any case, it would be a crazy idea to send His Britannic Majesty’s fleet against Soviet America, even as a raid against the southern and more conservative half of your continent. It would be hopeless and would never get any farther than a second-rate military escapade.

Within a few weeks or months of the establishment of the American soviets, Pan-Americanism would be a political reality.

The governments of Central and South America would be pulled into your federation like iron filings to a magnet. So would Canada. The popular movements in these countries would be so strong that they would force this great unifying process within a short period and at insignificant costs. I am ready to bet that the first anniversary of the American soviets would find the Western Hemisphere transformed into the Soviet United States of North, Central and South America, with its capital at Panama. Thus for the first time the Monroe Doctrine would have a complete and positive meaning in world affairs, although not the one foreseen by its author.

In spite of the complaints of some of your arch-conservatives, Roosevelt is not preparing for a soviet transformation of the United States.

The NRA aims not to destroy but to strengthen the foundations of American capitalism by overcoming your business difficulties. Not the Blue Eagle but the difficulties that the Blue Eagle is powerless to overcome will bring about communism in America. The “radical” professors of your Brain Trust are not revolutionists: they are only frightened conservatives. Your president abhors “systems” and “generalities.” But a soviet government is the greatest of all possible systems, a gigantic generality in action.

The average man doesn’t like systems or generalities either. It is the task of your communist statesmen to make the system deliver the concrete goods that the average man desires: his food, cigars, amusements, his freedom to choose his own neckties, his own house and his own automobile. It will be easy to give him these comforts in Soviet America.

Most Americans have been misled by the fact that in the USSR we had to build whole new basic industries from the ground up. Such a thing could not happen in America, where you are already compelled to cut down on your farm area and to reduce your industrial production. As a matter of fact, your tremendous technological equipment has been paralyzed by the crisis and already clamors to be put to use. You will be able to make a rapid step-up of consumption by your people the starting point of your economic revival.

You are prepared to do this as is no other country. Nowhere else has the study of the internal market reached such intensity as in the United States. It has been done by your banks, trusts, individual businessmen, merchants, traveling salesmen and farmers as part of their stock-in-trade. Your soviet government will simply abolish all trade secrets, will combine all the findings of these researches for individual profit and will transform them into a scientific system of economic planning. In this your government will be helped by the existence of a large class of cultured and critical consumers. By combining the nationalized key industries, your private businesses and democratic consumer cooperation, you will quickly develop a highly flexible system for serving the needs of your population.

This system will be made to work not by bureaucracy and not by policemen but by cold, hard cash.

Your almighty dollar will play a principal part in making your new soviet system work. It is a great mistake to try to mix a “planned economy” with a “managed currency.” Your money must act as regulator with which to measure the success or failure of your planning.

Your “radical” professors are dead wrong in their devotion to “managed money.” It is an academic idea that could easily wreck your entire system of distribution and production. That is the great lesson to be derived from the Soviet Union, where bitter necessity has been converted into official virtue in the monetary realm.

There the lack of a stable gold ruble is one of the main causes of our many economic troubles and catastrophes. It is impossible to regulate wages, prices and quality of goods without a firm monetary system. An unstable ruble in a Soviet system is like having variable molds in a conveyor-belt factory. It won’t work.

Only when socialism succeeds in substituting administrative control for money will it be possible to abandon a stable gold currency. Then money will become ordinary paper slips, like trolley or theater tickets. As socialism advances, these slips will also disappear, and control over individual consumption – whether by money or administration – will no longer be necessary when there is more than enough of everything for everybody!

Such a time has not yet come, though America will certainly reach it before any other country. Until then, the only way to reach such a state of development is to retain an effective regulator and measure for the working of your system. As a matter of fact, during the first few years a planned economy needs sound money even more than did old-fashioned capitalism. The professor who regulates the monetary unit with the aim of regulating the whole business system is like the man who tried to lift both his feet off the ground at the same time.

Soviet America will possess supplies of gold big enough to stabilize the dollar – a priceless asset. In Russia we have been expanding our industrial plant by 20 and 30 percent a year; but – owing to a weak ruble – we have not been able to distribute this increase effectively. This is partly because we have allowed our bureaucracy to subject our monetary system to administrative one-sidedness. You will be spared this evil. As a result you will greatly surpass us in both increased production and distribution, leading to a rapid advance in the comfort and welfare of your population.

In all this, you will not need to imitate our standardized production for our pitiable mass consumers. We have taken over from czarist Russia a pauper’s heritage, a culturally undeveloped peasantry with a low standard of living. We had to build our factories and dams at the expense of our consumers. We have had continual monetary inflation and a monstrous bureaucracy.

Soviet America will not have to imitate our bureaucratic methods. Among us the lack of the bare necessities has caused an intense scramble for an extra loaf of bread, an extra yard of cloth by everyone. In this struggle our bureaucracy steps forward as a conciliator, as an all-powerful court of arbitration. You, on the other hand, are much wealthier and would have little difficulty in supplying all of your people with all of the necessities of life. Moreover, your needs, tastes and habits would never permit your bureaucracy to divide the national income. Instead, when you organize your society to produce for human needs rather than private profits, your entire population will group itself around new trends and groups, which will struggle with one another and prevent an overweening bureaucracy from imposing itself upon them.

You can thus avoid growth of bureaucratism by the practice of soviets, that is to say, democracy – the most flexible form of government yet developed. Soviet organization cannot achieve miracles but must simply reflect the will of the people. With us the soviets have been bureaucratized as a result of the political monopoly of a single party, which has itself become a bureaucracy. This situation resulted from the exceptional difficulties of socialist pioneering in a poor and backward country.

The American soviets will be full-blooded and vigorous, without need or opportunity for such measures as circumstances imposed upon Russia. Your unregenerate capitalists will, of course, find no place for themselves in the new setup. It is hard to imagine Henry Ford as the head of the Detroit Soviet.

Yet a wide struggle between interests, groups and ideas is not only conceivable – it is inevitable. One-year, five-year, ten-year plans of business development; schemes for national education; construction of new basic lines of transportation; the transformation of the farms; the program for improving the technological and cultural equipment of Latin America; a program for stratosphere communication; eugenics – all of these will arouse controversy, vigorous electoral struggle and passionate debate in the newspapers and at public meetings.

For Soviet America will not imitate the monopoly of the press by the heads of Soviet Russia’s bureaucracy. While Soviet America would nationalize all printing plants, paper mills and means of distribution, this would be a purely negative measure. It would simply mean that private capital will no longer be allowed to decide what publications should be established, whether they should be progressive or reactionary, “wet” or “dry,” puritanical or pornographic. Soviet America will have to find a new solution for the question of how the power of the press is to function in a socialist regime. It might be done on the basis of proportional representation for the votes in each soviet election.

Thus the right of each group of citizens to use the power of the press would depend on their numerical strength – the same principle being applied to the use of meeting halls, allotment of time on the air and so forth.

Thus the management and policy of publications would be decided not by individual checkbooks but by group ideas. This may take little account of numerically small but important groups, but it simply means that each new idea will be compelled, as throughout history, to prove its right to existence.

Rich Soviet America can set aside vast funds for research and invention, discoveries and experiments in every field. You won’t neglect your bold architects and sculptors, your unconventional poets and audacious philosophers.

In fact, the Soviet Yankees of the future will give a lead to Europe in those very fields where Europe has hitherto been your master. Europeans have little conception of the power of technology to influence human destiny and have adopted an attitude of sneering superiority toward “Americanism,” particularly since the crisis. Yet Americanism marks the true dividing line between the Middle Ages and the modern world.

Hitherto America’s conquest of nature has been so violent and passionate that you have had no time to modernize your philosophies or to develop your own artistic forms. Hence you have been hostile to the doctrines of Hegel, Marx and Darwin. The burning of Darwin’s works by the Baptists of Tennessee is only a clumsy reflection of the American dislike for the doctrines of evolution. This attitude is not confined to your pulpits. It is still part of your general mental makeup.

Your atheists as well as your Quakers are determined rationalists. And your rationalism itself is weakened by empiricism and moralism. It has none of the merciless vitality of the great European rationalists. So your philosophic method is even more antiquated than your economic system and your political institutions.

Today, quite unprepared, you are being forced to face those social contradictions that grow up unsuspected in every society. You have conquered nature by means of the tools that your inventive genius has created, only to find that your tools have all but destroyed you. Contrary to all your hopes and desires, your unheard-of wealth has produced unheard-of misfortunes. You have discovered that social development does not follow a simple formula. Hence you have been thrust into the school of the dialectic – to stay.

There is no turning back from it to the mode of thinking and acting prevalent in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.

While the romantic numskulls of Nazi Germany are dreaming of restoring the old race of Europe’s Dark Forest to its original purity, or rather its original filth, you Americans, after taking a firm grip on your economic machinery and your culture, will apply genuine scientific methods to the problem of eugenics. Within a century, out of your melting pot of races there will come a new breed of men – the first worthy of the name of Man.



http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1934/08/ame.htm

[Prometeo liberado]

Your a post revolutionary system! That's where this is going.

Hmm..moved to chit chat huh? saw that coming.

[Nox]

Juche? Communism-Nationalism? Really?

They are both the same thing tbh

[Agent Ducky]

FpNY7dH0ujI (only version with subtitles -- full version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDL-Ucw6mY )

Where did you find this?
Best shit I've seen all day, almost pissed myself laughing. The best part is when he gets the guitar and throws it because he's so fucking hardcore like that.
Was actually kinda catchy. Shit now it's in my head.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

first thread post: failure, moved to chit chat. next time ill be more careful.

[Bronco]

Quite partial to a bit of Juche

[bcbm]

i would be a counter-revolutionary committing terrorist acts

[The Douche]

Voted for juche, but would settle for communist-nationalism.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Voted Left-Communism to be that lone guy that voted for Left-Communism. Turns out Left-Communism is quite popular.

[MarxSchmarx]

Annex Canada.

[Nuvem]

Setting Marxism-Leninism and Juche as separate categories is erroneous and incorrect. Juche is not an ideology, but rather a set of principles engendering national economic and political independence. It's not a governmental or economic model, religion, philosophy, or any of that other shit it's been labeled. The government of the DPRK as led by the Workers Party of Korea follows, and has always followed, a Marxist-Leninist line, as set forth by Kim Il Sung and carried out by the Central Committee of the Workers Party of Korea through the People's Assemblies since 1945.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

If a successful proletarian revolution took place in the United States and all government and military power was handed over to you (or your Party), what would you do?
Hand power over to the masses.

[hatzel]

Setting Marxism-Leninism and Juche as separate categories is erroneous and incorrect. Juche is not an ideology, but rather a set of principles engendering national economic and political independence. It's not a governmental or economic model, religion, philosophy, or any of that other shit it's been labeled. The government of the DPRK as led by the Workers Party of Korea follows, and has always followed, a Marxist-Leninist line, as set forth by Kim Il Sung and carried out by the Central Committee of the Workers Party of Korea through the People's Assemblies since 1945.

...maaaaan that Marxism-Leninism thingy must be seriously shit...

:tt2:

[TrotskistMarx]

My friend Comrade Commistar: what a great perfect proposal for USA if you were president. And you know at the same time the new left all over the world, must learn from the mistakes of Salvador Allende, Manuel Zelaya, Juan Bosch, and even JFK who were all too perfectionists, too utopian and not realists enough.

What I mean is that according to the book "The Foundations of Leninism" by Josef Stalin when the working class and socialist workers party rises to government-power in any country. They must be on red alert, because the right-wing oligarchic and capitalist classes will still be economically strong and even militarily strong (like in USA they have private armed forces like Blackwater, and other capitalist privatized Armed Forces)

So a new dictatorship of the workers in USA should be militarily strong in order to prevent being overthrown by the right-wing forces of USA.

It would be good to live in a world of good people, so that a dictatorship of the workers wouldn't have to use weapons at all. And convert the USA into weapon-less, gun-less nation and treat even capitalists with love and respect.

However that is too utopian. And even "The Prince" by Nicholas Machiavelli says that the real world out there is full of treasons, betrayals and very dangerous. And right-wingers are not a walk in the park, they wouldn't be a piece of cake.

So a new workers-dictatorship in America should be very scientifically, mentally and militarily prepared to prevent being overthrown by the right-wing capitalist class. thanx


If a successful proletarian revolution took place in the United States and all government and military power was handed over to you (or your Party), what would you do? In your new nation, there are still large counterrevolutionary forces committing terrorist acts against the state and people. The economy has come to a complete halt due to the sudden and violent end of the capitalist market. Who would have power in your nation? What leftist philosophy will it follow? What would you name it (including other small details)? What would you do with the economy? How would you provide for the people? What will your foreign policy be? etc....

Personally, I would name the people's new nation the American People's Democratic Republic. All central power would only be given to the members of the American People's Communist Party. The Party and the Government would follow antirevisionist Marxism-Leninism. The President of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the People's Republic would be the supreme legislature; the Chairman of the Council of the People's Commissars would be given executive powers; the Chief Justice of the People's Supreme Court would be given full representative powers for the National Socialist Legal Council, a council of ten judges appointed by the Premier and approved by the Supreme Soviet of the People's Republic; and the Chairman of the Politboro of the American People's Communist Party would have power over the supreme Party within the limits of democratic centralism. There will be collective leadership and every government official will be voted on through either direct democracy or representive democracy, depending on the post. The flag would be the same as the former flag of the Soviet Union. The anthem would be the Internationale.

First, I would committ the government to rebuilding areas across the nation badly affected by the revolution. I would immediately nationalize health care, the oil industry, the capital of large companies, and housing. I would then set up a Commissariat of Socialist Transition that will transfer all the remaining private capital into the hands of the state, which will in turn be used as public property. The new constitution will provide the rights for all to life necessities, employment, and liberty. Many traditional freedoms that do not hurt the people or the dictatorship of the proletariat will be kept. Counterrevolutionaries will be attacked into submission using revolutionary terror that will in no way purposely hurt any honest citizens. Terror will be continued against those who committ terrorist acts against the people, the state, and the people's economy. Abortion and gay marriage will be legalized immediately. Equal rights for everyone and every organization (not anticommunist organizations) will be provided (though I have some reservations toward rights for religious groups). My foreign policy, considering the United States is so developed as it is, would be to help existing socialist nations develop and to aid revolutionary movements in every nation on the planet. We will never attack any nation unless we are attacked first, then we'll crush them and let the people create a socialist state. We will create a nice atmosphere for worldwide revolution to occur, considering the U.S. has been historically known for being one of the biggest imperialist roadblocks to socialist freedom. American labor will be controlled by worker's councils that will be mointored by government supervisors. We will work to make every person a member of the working class by requiring productivity in some way or another from every person.

[Nuvem]

...maaaaan that Marxism-Leninism thingy must be seriously shit...

:tt2:

99.9% sure you've never read anything of any significance about the DPRK and can't profess any sort of learned or meaningful opinion on the matter. It's definitely a good idea to base all your opinions on bourgeois sources when you're studying the first generation socialist countries, am I right?

[Rooster]

I can't even begin to point out where the OP is wrong. So, in short: haha, what the fuck? Who the fuck needs a post revolution revolutionary system?

[TrotskistMarx]

Cool, what a great article by Uncle Leon. I think I will print it. You know another thing that we need for the new Socialist Government in USA? Honesty as the main requirement. So that the Socialist Government won't get corrupt, and burocratic like Bolshevik Revolution which was overthrown by the Stalinists, and the other socialist experiments of other countries that have been a chaos. Like Lucio Gutierrez, a former revolutionary of Ecuador, who at first was supposed to be a revolutionary, but then he turned to the right. So purity, honesty and goodness is one of the most important things for socialism


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This might help

[TrotskistMarx]

Wow, I thought Uncle Leon wrote that. i didn't know that Trotsky wrote that article on how USA would be if it was socialist. Far out, how cool, thanks again. How super smart Trotsky was !!!


This might help

[Crux]

Voted for juche, but would settle for communist-nationalism.
Comrades! Glorious juché is falling behind the ML's and Leftcom's! We need to build a nationalist counter offensive!

STOP US IMPERIALISM THROWING BABIES INTO WELLS! VOTE JUCHE!
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[Ostrinski]

Juche, because this is in chit chat.

[NewLeft]

Communism-Nationalism because our country is the best.

[Grenzer]

Where the hell is the Anarcho-Juche option?

[NewLeft]

Where the hell is the Anarcho-Juche option?

Revisionism!!!!

[Grenzer]

Revisionism!!!!

Nonsense, everyone knows Anarcho-Juche is the pinnacle of Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Ho Chi Minhist-Mao Tse Tung-Lin Biaoist-Dengist-Kim Il Sungist-Kim Jong Ilist-Kim Jon Unist thought.

[Q]

Nonsense, everyone knows Anarcho-Juche is the pinnacle of Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Ho Chi Minhist-Mao Tse Tung-Lin Biaoist-Dengist-Kim Il Sungist-Kim Jong Ilist-Kim Jon Unist thought.

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[Fawkes]

Become Supreme Leader and kill anyone who isn't a MotherFawker

[gorillafuck]

the economy will be organized along the lines of eco-feminism

just go with me on this one

[Blake's Baby]

Hmm, gotta love a biodegradable womb. So much nicer than a nuclear missile made of poison that will be around in the soil of Mother Earth for a billion centuries of Patriarchal 'linear' Time, you phallocentric Earth-rapers.

[Искра]

Voted Juche because of this:

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[Omsk]

Kontra,i want your old avatar back. (DPRK soldier women)

[Le Rouge]

Annex Canada.

LOL This.

Why left-libertarian tendencies aren't in the poll?

[Искра]

Kontra,i want your old avatar back. (DPRK soldier women)
She's not a solider. She's a captian. Respect authority.

But yeah... I miss her too. She's my first true love.

[Omsk]

Where do your "eating left" 'comic' avatars come from?
(You had one with a comic style girl with a comic 'buble' above her)

[Искра]

It's a poster of indonesian canibal horror movie.

The one before was pop art.