hi from turkey

[Dimsa]

I am want to meet local communists from turkey and join their organisations. I am communist and want more information. here I am can find

[Blake's Baby]

Welcome to RevLeft Dimsa.

Generally, people will not give you contact details on this forum. No-one knows if anyone else is a police spy, a fascist or a thug. But I am sure some people from Turkey will tell you about their organisations.

Enjoy your time on RevLeft, I hope it is useful for you.

[hashem]

you should be more careful. you shouldnt trust people easily. remember that you are dealing with a fascist regime in turkey.

there are number of organizations which are active in turkey but they are all underground. of course there are some opportunist and treacherous elements which are legal but you shouldnt join or even enter a direct dialog with them. all legalists are servants of fascism in turkey.

im not from turkey myself but im a supporter of ICOR which has members from turkey.

[El Chuncho]

Welcome, comrade!

[daft punk]

contact the CWI. They will put you in touch with socialists.
http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php

articles on Turkey

http://www.socialistworld.net/view/56

[Искра]

Why would someone contact CWI? :D

[daft punk]

hilarious!

To join a proper socialist organisation?

I've been a Marxist since 1984, I haven't seen anything better. I see you call yourself a Left Communist. At one time I thought I might be one of those. I actually phoned the CWI and said I was having an anarchist moment. Someone came round and had a chat with me about Makhno and Spain and so on.

Start a thread critiquing Trotskyism if you want, explaining your ideas.

[Leo]

contact the CWI. They will put you in touch with socialists.

Uh... They don't have anyone in Turkey.

[daft punk]

They have "CWI reporters in Istanbul" and "CWI reporters in Ankara" etc.

They have reports from Turkey including interviews and photos.

so, some presence

[Искра]

I don't care for Trots or any other kind of social democrats. To me it's just stupid when somebody says "hi" that you jump with "join the CWI"... Are you that desperate?

[daft punk]

Why do you think Trots are social democrats?

[Zukunftsmusik]

leave the discussion to proper sub-forums. don't scare away this Dimsa already.

Oh, and welcome to Revleft!

[hashem]

They have "CWI reporters in Istanbul" and "CWI reporters in Ankara" etc.




this proves that CWI (just like other trotskyist sects) is not a revolutionary or even a serious organization.

fascist regime of turkey never allows any true revolutionary organization to work legally. being legal in a country like turkey proves that CWI is just an opportunist and reformist sect.

[daft punk]

this proves that CWI (just like other trotskyist sects) is not a revolutionary or even a serious organization.

fascist regime of turkey never allows any true revolutionary organization to work legally. being legal in a country like turkey proves that CWI is just an opportunist and reformist sect.

Why do you think it says "reporters" instead of naming them as usual?

[hashem]

Why do you think it says "reporters" instead of naming them as usual?

im familiar with different trotskyist sects. i have seen how they work legally under dictatorships. they use young and inexperienced people as their legal front, who have to pay the price of activity under dictatorships, while their leaders relax in european or north american countries. although some young people (usually from petty bourgeoisie intellectuals) join them with honesty and enthusiasm, in the end they will find out that they were only used by some opportunists and their activity was in vain.

Iran is a good example. opportunist leader of Iranian trotskyists used some students in order to organize his sectarian propaganda and to serve his opportunistic policies like supporting chavez. he encouraged the students to work legally and openly. secret police of Iran used this opportunity to identify and arrest the students. few months later when chavez praised ahmadinejad who his regime had recently arrested, imprisoned and tortured leftists students in Iran, trotskyists refused to accept responsibility of their actions. pakistan and turkey are other examples. in pakistan trotskyists are serving bourgeoisie parties.

no successful revolution has been recorded in history without repulsion of trotskyism.

[Leo]

They have "CWI reporters in Istanbul" and "CWI reporters in Ankara" etc.

They have reports from Turkey including interviews and photos.

so, some presence Uh, again, no. They occasionally send over some people from Britain to Turkey. I haven't encountered any but my parents once did and the fella sold them a CWI publication in English.


this proves that CWI (just like other trotskyist sects) is not a revolutionary or even a serious organization.

fascist regime of turkey never allows any true revolutionary organization to work legally. being legal in a country like turkey proves that CWI is just an opportunist and reformist sect. Uh... the organization which is a member of your international (ICOR) has a legal monthly newspaper in Turkey: as such, they have reporters, journalists.


im familiar with different trotskyist sects. i have seen how they work legally under dictatorships. they use young and inexperienced people as their legal front, who have to pay the price of activity under dictatorships, while their leaders relax in european or north american countries.

Actually, this is more akin to how a large majority of the Stalinist underground, including your organization's section functions.

The Trotskyists, at least in Turkey, have been mostly although not exclusively, fully legal parties and organizations from the start, with legal publications and so on. As Trotskyists tend to be, these different organizations have a history of supporting all sorts of bourgeois factions in Turkey, from the Justice and Development Party to the Republican People's Party.

There were some illegal and armed Trotskyist organizations in the past, trying to organize the leftist neighborhoods, and I don't think they actually had many people in Europe or in America if at all, however the mixture of the attacks of the state, the violent reaction of the Stalinist organizations, and their erroneous internal structure which was pretty Stalinistic itself and lead to internal tortures extinguished these organizations.

[Prometeo liberado]

Welcome comrade!

[hashem]

Uh... the organization which is a member of your international (ICOR) has a legal monthly newspaper in Turkey: as such, they have reporters, journalists.

Actually, this is more akin to how a large majority of the Stalinist underground, including your organization's section functions.

this is a List of illegal political parties in Turkey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_illegal_political_parties_in_Turkey

and this page shows status of leftist organizations in turkey (including legality):

http://www.broadleft.org/tr.htm

having a legal newspaper (although i dont know such thing is available) is much different from having a legal organization or legalism in general. revolutionary social democrats had legal newspapers in Russia after 1905 while their party organization was underground.

history can judge about your other statements.

[Leo]

Broadleft, obviously, hasn't been updated since 2006, that is six years. Some of these organizations don't exist anymore, and a great majority of them operate mainly through their legal outlets, such as mass organizations, front organizations and newspaper and magazine circles. The member organization of your international is not an exception.

The wikipedia article is slightly more accurate, but not that up to date itself. Notice the absence of the ICOR member organization, for instance. All of the organizations in this list are mainly active through their legal organizations, however the illegal organizations of only TKIP, DHKP/C and obviously PKK are actually active and their legal outlets still actually serve the illegal structures, while the two Maoist organizations, MKP and TKP/ML can at best be considered semi-active.

None of the others are active. MLKP was pretty active until recently, however following the latest operations, they chose to follow a different path and turned their previous legal outlet into an electoral party and shifted their main focus of activity - in other words they became legalized.

While not listed here, the group which is the member of ICOR can quite possibly be qualified in a category of itself - this was a group known to be particularly small yet solid. There isn't that big a distinction between their legal and illegal organizations since given how small they are, they can't really have a mass organization of any sort, so they can be described as a sort of semi-legal cadre formation. This group recently split into three, and the two of the three factions coming out of it have moved away from the traditional hardcore Stalinism of the organization. The traditional faction was the smaller of the original two, but I suspect it is larger than the third one. I will suffice to say I know people from all three factions.

My statements are about the history of the left in Turkey, they are not things history will judge, they express what I know about history. Readers can judge.