Who are these people?

[Agent Ducky]

Okay, so I have my Skype name public on my profile on Revleft.
Every now and then I get Skype contact requests from completely random people off Revleft. I can understand if it's someone I've seen before/have talked to, but these people are completely random. They're almost always random MLs/Hoxhaists (one was named "Enverhoxhaforever"...... :laugh: ) Sometimes they'll talk to me every once in a while. It's just awkward, though. And from these conversations I can't seem to derive a reason why they added me.

So what is this? Does anyone else get random MLs (or anyone?) new to Revleft randomly adding them? Why do I, for some reason, bring all the tankies to the yard? Don't they see I'm an anarchist? I know it's not to argue with me because they don't do that.

ComradeGrant theorizes it's solely because I'm a female and they're a bunch of immature 13 year olds. But it seriously doesn't make sense to me.

[Pretty Flaco]

maybe they're all spambots

[PC LOAD LETTER]

maybe they're all spambots
Or feds.

[ComradeGrant]

Someone named Enverhoxhaforever is either an immature person or a fed.

[Agent Ducky]

Someone named Enverhoxhaforever is either an immature person or a fed.

Their skype name title thing (Like you know how my username is agent.ducky but then my name shows up as "*my name* (ducki) )? is something in Chinese. This person confuses me.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Their skype name title thing (Like you know how my username is agent.ducky but then my name shows up as "*my name* (ducki) )? is something in Chinese. This person confuses me.
is it sunfarstar?

[ComradeGrant]

Sunfarstar is the best.

[Prometeo liberado]

They are your neighbors, people you pass on the street. Could be someone you now. Or more likely meth smoking freaks who spend hours in their parents basements playing the old madden play station writing speeches for Ron Paul and Putin. Ugly fiends doing terrible things and we will all ride the whirlwind on this one. In twenty years they will be hosting Tonight on Fox and screaming that the cost of shipping homeless bodies will soon equal the national debt.
Don't open your door unless you get that secret knock Ducky. And cancel your cable, these things only get more bleak by the hour.

[Agent Ducky]

What if it IS SUNFARSTAR?
I would be honored.

They all seem to live in remote countries like Albania, Denmark... and Canada.

[dodger]

What if it IS SUNFARSTAR?
I would be honored.

They all seem to live in remote countries like Albania, Denmark... and Canada.

That's what they want you to think, Agent Ducky. You and the pump shot gun into the SAFE ROOM, quick about it. Agent Swan is circling your place as we speak. Probably a good idea if you send me all your family's banking and credit card details. You cannot be too careful...I shall ensure they are safe.


STAY SAFE.....TRUST NO ONE (Confirmation jbeard is a double-agent).....he quacked under interrogation.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

I had a Hoxhaist add me on FB a few weeks ago, even though my politics clearly says "Anarcho-Syndicalist" and I have my Sabo-cat showing. He posts more anti-anarchist statuses than anti-capitalist. I asked why he did it so often, and rather than get a direct answer, he/they proceeded to go on rants of how M-L is scientific and anarchism isn't revolutionary. Opinions aside, I asked him why he couldnt answer the question (instead of going on irrelevant rants) so eventually him and his horde of state-communists attacked me today. I wasn't even attacking or arguing against their positions, I was merely asking questions and defending my thoughts (never once lashed out at them), and they were completely rude, condescending, and hostile.
ME AGAINST THE WORLD.

[Agent Ducky]

I had a Hoxhaist add me on FB a few weeks ago, even though my politics clearly says "Anarcho-Syndicalist" and I have my Sabo-cat showing. He posts more anti-anarchist statuses than anti-capitalist. I asked why he did it so often, and rather than get a direct answer, he/they proceeded to go on rants of how M-L is scientific and anarchism isn't revolutionary. Opinions aside, I asked him why he couldnt answer the question (instead of going on irrelevant rants) so eventually him and his horde of state-communists attacked me today. I wasn't even attacking or arguing against their positions, I was merely asking questions and defending my thoughts (never once lashed out at them), and they were completely rude, condescending, and hostile.
ME AGAINST THE WORLD.

Welcome to the world of Facebook MLs. ComradeGrant and I have had some particularly bad experiences with them.

And also, dodger, it's okay, I'm not trusting anyone. NONE SHALL BLOW THE COVER OF AGENT DUCKY.

[ColonelCossack]

Well I'm an M-L and I have skype, but the only thing similar to that that happened to me was when Nox added me when he was an M-L.

So now you know it isn't me. and my skype name certainly isn't Enverhoxhaforever. I'm not that bad... am I? :(

[Crux]

I am friends with Mike Ely on facebook. He is a nice M-L-M. Other than that, since I have lots of CWI friends sometimes odd people show up. Defriended one Die Linke guy after I saw he was a fan of Bak Shalom, the zionist platform in die linke. Their statement on the freedom flottilla was basically IDF copy paste. Not to mention they've campaigned to kick out my german comrades from Die Linke.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I had a Hoxhaist add me on FB a few weeks ago, even though my politics clearly says "Anarcho-Syndicalist" and I have my Sabo-cat showing. He posts more anti-anarchist statuses than anti-capitalist. I asked why he did it so often, and rather than get a direct answer, he/they proceeded to go on rants of how M-L is scientific and anarchism isn't revolutionary. Opinions aside, I asked him why he couldnt answer the question (instead of going on irrelevant rants) so eventually him and his horde of state-communists attacked me today. I wasn't even attacking or arguing against their positions, I was merely asking questions and defending my thoughts (never once lashed out at them), and they were completely rude, condescending, and hostile.
ME AGAINST THE WORLD.
2cjv7hEAytU

[El Chuncho]

Well I'm an M-L and I have skype, but the only thing similar to that that happened to me was when Nox added me when he was an M-L.

So now you know it isn't me. and my skype name certainly isn't Enverhoxhaforever. I'm not that bad... am I? :(


Enverhoxhaforever is a new member here from China. He is pretty young, I think, so we shouldn't really tease him. Good for him for trying to make friends, I guess.

Also, I have similar experiences with Anarchists on Youtube and (though I do not use it now) Myspace. I am really not interested.

[Rafiq]

I believe comradeom is spot on... Seems like a bunch of creeps :laughing:

[Jimmie Higgins]

After the fall of the USSR they only exist on the internet. They're like Max Headroom, except only more annoying and with more antiquated references (than making a reference to a show from the 1980s that no one remembers, like I just did:blushing:).

[khad]

Who are you again?

[Rusty Shackleford]

ComradeGrant theorizes it's solely because I'm a female and they're a bunch of immature 13 year olds. But it seriously doesn't make sense to me.
probably.
the internet sucks ass, really.

[Ostrinski]

A better question: Why are there so many MLs on the internet.

[Omsk]

An even better question: Why are there so many communists on the internet?

In public,i have met a lot,on the internet,legions.

[Rafiq]

A better question: Why are there so many MLs on the internet.

They're mostly Tankies. I believe we could attribute such an unfortunate circumstance for the same reason some of the only supporters of Ron Paul are on the Internet: The Internet itself is a cesspool if batshit insane creatively constructed ideologies.

High school kids are told communism means everyone is equal. For their bourgeois-rational minds, this is very appealing, etc.

[GoddessCleoLover]

When I was in school back in the 60s and 70s we were told that communism was anti-American. I am aware of the use of the term "tankie" as referring to uncritical followers of the Soviet Party line. Is there a more contemporary use of that term of which I am unaware?

[Ele'ill]

Where is sunfarstar btw?

[Q]

A better question: Why are there so many MLs on the internet.

The reason is elementary my dear Watson...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/096/044/trollface.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

Who are you again?
Recipient of the "Most Amusing" Chit-Chat Award. Boom.

It bugs me when people post shit like this on random threads in Chit-Chat. I could understand random attention-wanting threads like "get to know me better" or whatever from someone who is new/doesn't post, but this makes fuckall sense to post on this thread. Why does it matter who I am?

But yeah, the MLs on the internet are probably why there's Ron Paul supporters on the internet.
My observation is that internet culture at large thinks the Soviet Union (at least its imagery and references to it) are cool (Soviet Tetris song, Lenin cat, etc.) and internet tankies capitalize off of this. They adopt that imagery because they like it, and it's controversial. Gives them something to talk about. And the internet provides a unique environment for them to cultivate their ideas. And so you end up with people defending mass dictatorships, etc.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Well, for those of us old enough to remember the tanks rolling into Prague in '68 or Beijing in '89 being a "tankie" isn't an option. Mark my words, those for whom anarchism or Communism is merely an adolescent fad fueled by the internet will soon find a new shiny object and will never do anything to effect social change.

[Agent Ducky]

Well, for those of us old enough to remember the tanks rolling into Prague in '68 or Beijing in '89 being a "tankie" isn't an option. Mark my words, those for whom anarchism or Communism is merely an adolescent fad fueled by the internet will soon find a new shiny object and will never do anything to effect social change.

*unless* they actually look further into this ideology for understanding and come to support it legitimately. Not that most of them do, but some do. I'm sure there are former tankie kids who are now dedicated to the cause here on Revleft.

[ColonelCossack]

Enverhoxhaforever is a new member here from China. He is pretty young, I think, so we shouldn't really tease him. Good for him for trying to make friends, I guess.

Yes, you're right. I apologise.

[Thirsty Crow]

So what is this? Does anyone else get random MLs (or anyone?) new to Revleft randomly adding them? Why do I, for some reason, bring all the tankies to the yard? Don't they see I'm an anarchist? I know it's not to argue with me because they don't do that.

ComradeGrant theorizes it's solely because I'm a female and they're a bunch of immature 13 year olds. But it seriously doesn't make sense to me.
Either that or the fact that they're so desperate to make any contact whatsoever with a human being who happens to be a communist of sorts, which tells you something about their social life.

[Nox]

which tells you something about their social life.

To be fair, the name enverhoxhaforever tells you all you need to know about their social life :laugh:

[Ismail]

Because apparently only adherents to ideologies that really do exist only on the internet or maybe Turkey (left-communism) are masters of social life. That and self-made "ideologies" like "Orthodox Marxism" (whatever that is.)

I mean it doesn't help that most M-Ls tend to be in Latin America, Arabia and Africa. This is especially true of pro-Hoxha CPs like the PCMLE.


They're mostly Tankies.You think that anyone who opposes the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is an evil opportunist who wants world jihad against the civilizing mission of Soviet social-imperialism. You also have defended the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia using the "they were counter-revolutionary" argument. You're in no position to be calling anyone a "tankie" considering that those who actually take anti-tankie positions are denounced by you.

[Omsk]

The people the "most amusing" user described are not Marxists-Leninists.

And if i had to choose,for an example,i'd rather be a "tankie" than a "hipster-communist".

[Искра]

Hipster-communism all the way...and back.

[Red Commissar]

I guess if this is a problem for you, just don't make your contact info public. I can't say I've had this happen to me, but that's because I'm a boring little shit.

Just copy me and no one will bother you ever again.

[Agent Ducky]

I guess if this is a problem for you, just don't make your contact info public. I can't say I've had this happen to me, but that's because I'm a boring little shit.

Just copy me and no one will bother you ever again.

It's not really bothering me persay, it just makes me curious.

And Ismail: Rage on, bro. :thumbup1: Especially against Rafiq.

[Omsk]

And Ismail: Rage on, bro. http://www.revleft.com/vb/these-peoplei-t167850/revleft/smilies2/thumbup1.gif Especially against Rafiq.

Ehh,i dont think its Ismail that is doing the raging.

[Rafiq]

Because apparently only adherents to ideologies that really do exist only on the internet or maybe Turkey (left-communism) are masters of social life. That and self-made "ideologies" like "Orthodox Marxism" (whatever that is.)

I mean it doesn't help that most M-Ls tend to be in Latin America, Arabia and Africa. This is especially true of pro-Hoxha CPs like the PCMLE.

You think that anyone who opposes the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is an evil opportunist who wants world jihad against the civilizing mission of Soviet social-imperialism. You also have defended the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia using the "they were counter-revolutionary" argument. You're in no position to be calling anyone a "tankie" considering that those who actually take anti-tankie positions are denounced by you.

Link the post where I supported the invasion of Czech rep.

You didn't just oppose the Soviets in afghanistan.... You supported the Muhajadeen.

Don't you support the Soviet attack on Hungary? Hypocritical idiot....

[Agent Ducky]

Ehh,i dont think its Ismail that is doing the raging.
No, no, Ismail and Rafiq have this beautiful, mutual-rage relationship. See above post. :laugh:

[Ismail]

Link the post where I supported the invasion of Czech rep.You were clearly apologizing for the Soviet intervention in some ways, and in other ways apologizing for Dubcek and Co. You aren't consistent in your politics.

Hoxha maintained a consistent view: the Soviet invasion was a fascist-like aggression against a sovereign state. Both the Soviet and Czechoslovak revisionists had to be fought against for both advanced capitalism.


You didn't just oppose the Soviets in afghanistan.... You supported the Muhajadeen.No, Hoxha supported the Afghan people in their battle with Soviet social-imperialism and neo-colonialism. It was up to the Marxist-Leninists of Afghanistan to rally the people against both the reactionary Mujahidin and the reactionary neo-colonial administration.


Don't you support the Soviet attack on Hungary? Hypocritical idiot....Hoxha backed the intervention in Hungary but noted that it was the Khrushchevites who forced that situation on the Hungarian people in the first place by rehabilitating Imre Nagy and other supposed "victims" of the "Stalin personality cult."

You can see Hoxha's views on Hungary and Czechoslovakia here: http://marx2mao.com/Other/WCRC68.html

[Rafiq]

You were clearly apologizing for the Soviet intervention in some ways, and in other ways apologizing for Dubcek and Co. You aren't consistent in your politics.

Hoxha maintained a consistent view: the Soviet invasion was a fascist-like aggression against a sovereign state. Both the Soviet and Czechoslovak revisionists had to be fought against for both advanced capitalism.

And the same could be said about Hungary, no?

I never supported the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, however, the "good guy creative socialism" that was demanded by members of hte masses simply wasn't realistic in their current situation.

All I was trying to point out, was, "Socialism with a human face"(Zizek) isn't possible in circumstances where you're surrounded by International Imperialism, on behalf of both the Soviet Union and the United States.

I furtherly added, that, the criticisms that were made against the Czech status quo were not enough, in that, most of the policies made by the Czech Bourgeoisie(No free speech, no free press, paranoia) were of absolute necessity to defend the current state of affairs in place against International Imperialism. Tito, etc. became relaxed on Such issues, and you ended up with CIA funding of several nationalist gangs all across Yugoslavia, with an eventual devastating and horrific war (That isn't to say Yugoslavia wouldn't have collapsed, anyway).

You're an opportunist. You'll oppose Soviet "revisionism" and "aggression" in Czechoslovakia, but you'll root on the same thing (by your standards) in Hungary, because Hoxha did.

And, you still have yet to validate your claims with evidence, of myself "Supporting Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia".


No, Hoxha supported the Afghan people in their battle with Soviet social-imperialism and neo-colonialism. It was up to the Marxist-Leninists of Afghanistan to rally the people against both the reactionary Mujahidin and the reactionary neo-colonial administration.


Right, and Marxist-Leninist equals who? The tiny group of jack-off hoxhaists who did fuck all but lapdance the muhajadeen in Afghanistan? (Similar to Communist parties in the middle east today, in some places?)

You don't have the slightest grasp of materailism whatsoever. As Communists, we say fuck you to "the people", as "The people" don't exist. It saddens me a so-called Marxist believes believes that a collective group of class interests that cross class boundaries exists.

In Afghanistan, you're either a dog of the land owners, or a soldier for the "Neo Colonial regime". There isn't an in between.


Hoxha backed the intervention in Hungary but noted that it was the Khrushchevites who forced that situation on the Hungarian people in the first place by rehabilitating Imre Nagy and other supposed "victims" of the "Stalin personality cult."


Sure, if you have your head up your ass.


You can see Hoxha's views on Hungary and Czechoslovakia here: http://marx2mao.com/Other/WCRC68.html


Do you actually think I give a fuck about what Hoxha's opinion on anything is?

[Rafiq]

Oh yeah, and Ismail, as of now, I'm going to, for the first time ever (and perhaps I'm being hypocritical right now) put you on my ignore list. It's not because I don't have the time to respond to your posts, it's just because, you're destroying the quality of every good thread and de railing them for the sake of your own opportunistic consistency. Your opportunism meets no limit, not even in chit chat.

And, you're a real brick wall. I think I, along with other users, have already claimed legitimency against, and over you. You've been destroyed several times over, and it sparks a certain curiousity within me as to how you can be so passionate of a destroyed Ideology that is not only a bastardization of Marxism, it's a joke. Everwhere.

But that isn't the problem. You're not the only Hoxhaist on this site, as a matter of fact, there are some Hoxhaists who are cool guys here. It's just you. I've never seen a user so obsessed..... You've ruined the quality of many parts of the forum all together.

I've never encountered a user on this site with such an unhealthy obsession with something so structurally baseless. I would call you a robot, if you're posts didn't have the stench of pure human stupidity.

Consider your ass ignored as of today. If I hear you've had a change in heart, and stopped being an opportunistic piece of shit who ruins every thread, and can spew off posts of even mediocre quality (Like some other Hoxhaists) I'll be the first to unignore you and have a civilized discussion with you.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

you're destroying the quality of every good thread and de railing them for the sake of your own opportunistic consistency.

you're a real brick wall.

it sparks a certain curiousity within me as to how you can be so passionate of a destroyed Ideology that is not only a bastardization of Marxism, it's a joke. Everwhere.

I've never seen a user so obsessed..... You've ruined the quality of many parts of the forum all together.

I've never encountered a user on this site with such an unhealthy obsession with something so structurally baseless.

ruins every thread
^^^ this.
Ismail is the biggest troll I've ever seen on a forum, yet I haven't seen warnings issued against him. He will derail any thread for sake of quoting or paraphrasing Hoxha's shitty opinion, especially when it is irrelevant.

[Agent Ducky]

you're destroying the quality of every good thread and de railing them for the sake of your own opportunistic consistency. Your opportunism meets no limit, not even in chit chat.

This. Seriously. This is Chit-Chat.

Also, question: Does Ismail have any of his own opinions? Because from everything I've seen from him is Hoxha's opinion.

[GallowsBird]

I fail to see how Ismail is any worse than a lot of other members here. At least he usually just quotes Hoxha rather than just saying "fuck you" or "your a moron" to everyone he disagrees with.



They're mostly Tankies.

Only on certain other forums that pander to those who just like playing them in computer games (who generally still dislike Stalin, know nothing about Marxism and just like the Red Army and nuclear bombs). Most M-Ls are are hardly Tankies anymore than most Anarchists are "cool-dude-webel-webels-against-society (actually that may be the majority :laugh: ) or Trotskyiats are middle-class college intellectuals.


I believe we could attribute such an unfortunate circumstance for the same reason some of the only supporters of Ron Paul are on the Internet:
The Internet itself is a cesspool if batshit insane creatively constructed ideologies.

Which I guess may be the reason there are so many Left Communists here. They are almost like computer viruses due to the fact they exist almost solely on the internet.


High school kids are told communism means everyone is equal. For their bourgeois-rational minds, this is very appealing, etc.

I have noticed one minute M-Ls are "old farts" and boring middle-aged men looking back to the gold old days of the Cold War, and then the next moment they are ""high school kids"; we do have a few high schoolers, though not the majority, however they are generally mature which is something that cannot be said about many "adults" who profess to being leftists. Most non-M-Ls on the internet seem to be high schoolers anyway so this is largely irrelevant.


A better question: Why are there so many MLs on the internet.

There are a lot less on the internet than fighting on the frontline in revolutions all over South America, Asia and Africa; the exact opposite of almost all other tendencies.

[Rooster]

I fail to see how Ismail is any worse than a lot of other members here.

Gee..... I wonder why.


At least he usually just quotes Hoxha rather than just saying "fuck you" or "your a moron" to everyone he disagrees with.Yes, because quoting Hoxha is an argument. Incidentally, it's "you're a moron".



know nothing about Marxism lol, just like every other marxist-leninist?


There are a lot less on the internet than fighting on the frontline in revolutions all over South America, Asia and Africa; the exact opposite of almost all other tendencies.Yes yes, the exact opposite. Yes, the whole fate of world revolution is in the hands of a small group of marxist-leninists as they bravely fight in the trenches against capitalists with their bare hands. Great, I feel much better already. I know that they can deal the death blow to capitalism with their autodidact ability to quote Hoxha.

[Agent Ducky]

Okay, seriously, the fuck is this?

No tendency wars allowed in Chit-Chat. That should be a rule. MAYBE I was asking for it by noting that most of the random kids who add me are MLs and it doesn't make sense. But not this.

Y'all are making me lose my faith in Revleft.

[Roach]

It's not because I don't have the time to respond to your posts, it's just because, you're destroying the quality of every good thread and de railing them for the sake of your own opportunistic consistency.Your opportunism meets no limit, not even in chit chat.

You know all this bullshit about opportunism would have made sense if Revleft was an union, or some protest, or anyother kind of working-class organisation or demonstration without a specific ideological affiliation, but no, this is a internet forum, whose purpose is debate, calling an user an opportunist because his post cleary expressed his ideas is simply innapropriate, unatural and unjustified.


And, you're a real brick wall. I think I, along with other users, have already claimed legitimency against, and over you. You've been destroyed several times over, and it sparks a certain curiousity within me as to how you can be so passionate of a destroyed Ideology that is not only a bastardization of Marxism, it's a joke. Everwhere.

It's funny because despite trying to put your little feud with Ismail as struggle against the Hoxha-qoute driven degeneration of the idyllic chit-chat threads, in the end you cleary slip that this madness is nothing but politically driven. The truth is none of the hoxhaists here are little passive dogs to be called robots, hiveminds or immature creatures that only exist on the internet, actually most would be doing the same thing he does, if they had the time, energy and most of all the bloody patience to do this. This shitty ''Hoxhaist are stupid, hurrr'' trend has always been around chit-chat, I am surprised it hasn't been elevated to meme status yet.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/annoying-facebook-post-t165422/index.html?p=2315481#post2315481

http://www.revleft.com/vb/quotes-hoxhaist-t161858/index.html?t=161858

And those two are the only ones I was in.


But that isn't the problem. You're not the only Hoxhaist on this site, as a matter of fact, there are some Hoxhaists who are cool guys here. It's just you. I've never seen a user so obsessed..... You've ruined the quality of many parts of the forum all together.

As far as revleft hoxhaists go, Ismail posts are only second to Praire Fire and perhaps some other obscure old-timers. There is no crime in qouting.

[Rooster]

Okay, seriously, the fuck is this?

No tendency wars allowed in Chit-Chat. That should be a rule. MAYBE I was asking for it by noting that most of the random kids who add me are MLs and it doesn't make sense. But not this.

Y'all are making me lose my faith in Revleft.

I'm sorry but deluded idiots make be both lol and rage at the same time.

[Agent Ducky]

I'm sorry but deluded idiots make be both lol and rage at the same time.
It's understandable.

[Roach]

Okay, seriously, the fuck is this?

No tendency wars allowed in Chit-Chat. That should be a rule. MAYBE I was asking for it by noting that most of the random kids who add me are MLs and it doesn't make sense. But not this.

Y'all are making me lose my faith in Revleft.

I've seen better chit-chat tendecy wars, I mean where are the bunkers?

[Agent Ducky]

I've seen better chit-chat tendecy wars, I mean where are the bunkers?
Hoxhaists are hogging all of the bunkers.

[Omsk]

Who nominated and voted you for the "most amusing" member of the forum?

[Ismail]

All I was trying to point out, was, "Socialism with a human face"(Zizek) isn't possible in circumstances where you're surrounded by International Imperialism, on behalf of both the Soviet Union and the United States.There is no such thing as "Socialism with a human face." Socialism is human, it's inherently receptive to humanity because it is built and maintained by the overwhelming number of humans on this earth. You mention Žižek, a metaphysical academic with ties to Lady GaGa, which is nice because he backed the crushing of the London riots. Some "Marxist" and advocate for a "human face."


Right, and Marxist-Leninist equals who? The tiny group of jack-off hoxhaists who did fuck all but lapdance the muhajadeen in Afghanistan? (Similar to Communist parties in the middle east today, in some places?)I don't recall the pro-Hoxha group in Afghanistan working with the Mujahidin. Perhaps you'd like to give evidence that they did?


You don't have the slightest grasp of materailism whatsoever. As Communists, we say fuck you to "the people", as "The people" don't exist. It saddens me a so-called Marxist believes believes that a collective group of class interests that cross class boundaries exists.Of course you oppose the people of Afghanistan, you think that they are "backwards" and that they must be "civilized" by a superpower.

As in the case of all the efforts of Soviet social-imperialism to dominate other countries, in Afghanistan the Marxist-Leninists supported the people, meaning all those forces led, naturally enough, by the working-class which opposed attempts by the Soviets to economically and politically dominate the affairs of the country, and to oppose the efforts of the Soviets to carry out mass executions of "sympathetic" elements, whose sympathy for the Mujahidin was a direct cause of the neo-colonial occupation of the country and their persecution of Marxist-Leninist elements which they attacked just as much as they fought the Mujahidin.


In Afghanistan, you're either a dog of the land owners, or a soldier for the "Neo Colonial regime". There isn't an in between.The hallmark of a Brezhnevite: back imperialists or back reactionaries. There is apparently no proletarian road; one must defend either Soviet neo-colonialism or by default he is backing the dreaded Mujahidin.

[Искра]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GHQZTfI5fmg/TXlKaFi7N5I/AAAAAAAAGvI/y8acHh5-zu0/s1600/shut_the_fuck_up.jpg

[Ismail]

I can't help it if you defend the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Apparently opposing Soviet social-imperialism is an evil position to take.

Hoxha noted in his diary in January 1983 that:
"The build-up of the resistance and struggle of the patriotic Afghan people rejoices us be cause, apart from other things, it confirms the Marxist-Leninist thesis that the peoples, however small and unarmed they may be, when it comes to defending their freedom, independence and honour, can launch powerful attacks on and triumph over savage enemies, such as the American imperialists and the Soviet social-imperialists, who are much better armed and more powerful than they are.

The people of Afghanistan have a history of heroic struggles against foreign occupiers. They offered forcible resistance to the influence and pressure of the Russian tzars. They fought the British colonialists for decades on end. They waged three wars against British armies, teaching them a lesson they will never forget. In 1921 they drove them out of the country completely and won their national independence. This strengthens our conviction that the Afghan people will triumph over the Soviet occupiers, too, and that they will emerge from this struggle even more conscious about the need for the defence of their national and social rights."
(Enver Hoxha. Reflections on the Middle East. Tirana: 8 Nëntori Publishing House. 1984. pp. 442-443.)

And in December that same year:
"Frequently when I read reports or see on the TV shots of the fighting and daring actions which the Afghan fighters carry out against powerful formations or motorized columns of the Soviet army of occupation, jumping from rock to rock amongst the snow and ice, the rain and countless other difficulties, and armed only with rifles, my mind goes back to our glorious National Liberation War, to the heroism and sacrifices of our valiant, patriotic and revolutionary people. Of course, our war was at a much higher level and much better organized and, above all, it was led by our Communist Party on the basis of the teachings of Marxism-Leninism. Our people, rallied in the Democratic Front organization, closely united, without distinction as to region or religion, were more conscious about the ideals for which they had to and did fight and about the character of the state which they would build on the ruins of past regimes, after the victory. Nevertheless, I repeat that the struggle of the people of Afghanistan is a just struggle, and the Afghan patriotic fighters deserve to be honoured and respected by all the patriotic forces of the world, to be supported so that they can step up their liberation war even further until they drive the Soviet occupiers completely from their homeland. And, whether the Soviet social-imperialists and their local lackeys like it or not, this will certainly be realized in the not too distant future. The people of Afghanistan will regain their freedom and independence."
(Ibid. pp. 530-531.)

[Agent Ducky]

ITT: Ismail continuing to argue with the guy who blocked him.

You know what? Some mod should lock this thread before Ismail starts arguing with himself.

[JustMovement]

What if Hoxha and Stalin had a baby? Would it be name Stoxha or Hoxhin?

Also how do you pronounce Hoxha? I was watching The Inside Man (great great movie) and the prounounced it like Hoja but like a french j if you know what I mean, is that right?

[Agent Ducky]

What if Hoxha and Stalin had a baby? Would it be name Stoxha or Hoxhin?

Also how do you pronounce Hoxha? I was watching The Inside Man (great great movie) and the prounounced it like Hoja but like a french j if you know what I mean, is that right?

I've heard it's like that the french j like "zh" or whatever. It's messed up though O_O. Stoxha sounds better in my mind. And if Stalin and Hoxha had a baby I would KILL IT WITH FIRE

[Искра]

If Stalin and Hoxha had baby... I'd come to make an abortion.

[JustMovement]

revisionists

[JustMovement]

fuck me its past 3 in the morning im making communism jokes

[Drosophila]

civilized discussion

I'm going to make my own revleft tendency called "Rafiquism" that consists purely of civilized discussion. In it we call people "assholes", accuse them of "jacking off" to ideologies, call them "idiots" when we disagree with them, and painting them all as either "children" or "old people" (depending on what mood we're in).

I rly hope it succeeds HEUHEUEHEUEHE

[JustMovement]

Fuck you you childish idiot. That is not a materialist understanding. You are a complete fucking idealist moron. Petty-bourgeouis thinking at its worst we need to kill everyone and this can be accomplished by accelerating stalin and hox(j, zh?)ha into each other and starting a nuclear chain reaction of pure communism

[JustMovement]

Gyaaaaaaaah
the liberals!

[Rafiq]

I'm going to make my own revleft tendency called "Rafiquism" that consists purely of civilized discussion. In it we call people "assholes", accuse them of "jacking off" to ideologies, call them "idiots" when we disagree with them, and painting them all as either "children" or "old people" (depending on what mood we're in).

I rly hope it succeeds HEUHEUEHEUEHE

Oh christ, are my posts that offensive? Are your feelings truly hurt, did I ruin your day? I could never grasp why people found it so striking to be insulted for making shit posts.

The point of my posts isn't to insult people. They address certain claims made by whoever I am replying to. Should insults be included in those posts, they consist merely as a fraction, of the acual essence of what I am saying.

Say we are living one thousand years in the past, and, You would say this:

Hey, the world's flat man, god said so.

And then I would reply with:

The world isn't flat *Insert some shit about the sun's rotation and calculating it* you fucking idiot.
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This isn't grounds for being a dismissive prick. If you want to be a baby, perhaps you could, so you choose, copy my post, paste it into note pad, and remove all my insults, and read that (Hur dur but their wouldn't be anything then!). If you actually believe that, it just goes to show what a dismissive and politically undeveloped and structurally baseless individual you are.

Perhaps I wouldn't take your post here as seriously, if it weren't such an epic failure. Do you actually look at that and laugh? Even a giggle? How do you expect anyone of at the least, a mediocre taste of humor to find any part of that post humorous? Maybe that guy bellow you, who insulted me, wouldn't receive a post like this, because, his post actually was Chit-Chat material.

[JustMovement]

This isn't grounds for being a -. If you want to be a -, perhaps you could, so you choose, copy my post, paste it into note pad, and remove all my insults, and read that (-). If you actually believe that, it just goes to show what a dismissive (word choice?) and - and - individual you are.

Perhaps I wouldn't take your post here as seriously, if it weren't such -. Do you -? -? How do you -? -.
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See what I did ther?

[Ismail]

What if Hoxha and Stalin had a baby? Would it be name Stoxha or Hoxhin?

Also how do you pronounce Hoxha? I was watching The Inside Man (great great movie) and the prounounced it like Hoja but like a french j if you know what I mean, is that right?"XH" in Albanian is pronounced as j. The letter J in Albanian is pronounced as y.

Also in Albania a common name after the 60's was Marenglen (which stood for Marx-Engels-Lenin), which was acceptable for both boys and girls. Other names used were Proletar and Stalin since religiously-based names (Pjetër, Paulin, Stjefën, Ndoc, Kosta, Kolë, Marka, etc.) tended to be restricted.

[JustMovement]

Oh my god there is a precedent to it- stoxha will live yet

[Drosophila]

Oh christ, are my posts that offensive? Are your feelings truly hurt, did I ruin your day? I could never grasp why people found it so striking to be insulted for making shit posts.
...
This isn't grounds for being a dismissive prick. If you want to be a baby, perhaps you could, so you choose, copy my post, paste it into note pad, and remove all my insults, and read that (Hur dur but their wouldn't be anything then!). If you actually believe that, it just goes to show what a dismissive and politically undeveloped and structurally baseless individual you are.



I don't really find them offensive - just humorous. It's a common technique used by people arguing on the internet - stating your case then adding a few buzzwords to "reinforce" your point - when it really just makes you look immature. Fact is, if I took the buzzwords and insults out of your post, there would maybe be a kosher argument there.


The point of my posts isn't to insult people. They address certain claims made by whoever I am replying to. Should insults be included in those posts, they consist merely as a fraction, of the acual essence of what I am saying.
see above


Say we are living one thousand years in the past, and, You would say this:

Hey, the world's flat man, god said so.

And then I would reply with:

The world isn't flat *Insert some shit about the sun's rotation and calculating it* you fucking idiot.

Why?!? Ignore for a moment that basic science =/= history/philosophy/economics. You could tell me that the earth is not flat, give me an explanation as to why, and be done with it. You accomplish nothing by calling me a "fucking idiot" - and it really just makes you look like an immature ass.
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Perhaps I wouldn't take your post here as seriously, if it weren't such an epic failure. Do you actually look at that and laugh? Even a giggle? How do you expect anyone of at the least, a mediocre taste of humor to find any part of that post humorous? Maybe that guy bellow you, who insulted me, wouldn't receive a post like this, because, his post actually was Chit-Chat material.

Really I think insulting you is kind of like calling Heinrich Himmler a Nazi.

[JustMovement]

its like calling Stoxha awesome

[Ismail]

This thread is about random things attesting to the glories of Hoxha.

"Marriage is a central topic in the Kanun [traditional tribal law] and hedged about with rules...

Enver Hoxha, tried to modify these rules... discounting fictive kinship as an obstacle and advocating marriages for love. He encouraged young couples who worked together not to feel ashamed of their feelings, not to be unreasonably dictated to by their elders, decrying the customary use of matchmaker intermediaries (shkuesi). He succeeded in reducing the number of cradle betrothals, as well as marriages between people who had never seen each other. On the very rare occasions where a couple married for love, or married in spite of fictive kinship ties, Enver Hoxha would personally write them a letter of congratulation, praising those involved for breaking out of the bonds of backwardness....

I came across several instances of marriages approved by Hoxha. One involved a vet from the Mirditan village of Grykë Orosh (a Catholic) who in the 1970s married a Muslim girl, Hairja, whom he had got to know while he was working in the town of Laç. A chance meeting with Hairja on a bus in the highlands of Mirdita led me to ask her how come she was from Orosh but had a Muslim name. She told me that against her parents' will she and her husband had married for love. Her family broke off all relations with her, but after she had been married for six months they received a letter from Enver Hoxha congratulating them on their daughter's praiseworthy marriage 'throwing aside the intolerance of superstition and faith'."
(Clarissa de Waal. Albania Today: A Portrait of Post-Communist Turbulence. London: I.B. Tauris & Co Ltd. 2005. pp. 81-82.)

[Agent Ducky]

This thread is about random things attesting to the glories of Hoxha.

No, it is not. You already made a thread for that. You know, the one where you talk about how Hoxha is better than Kim Il-Sung or whatever because he wrote more books (The fuck?) Why is it that my thread becomes the Holy Temple of Enver Hoxha?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GHQZTfI5fmg/TXlKaFi7N5I/AAAAAAAAGvI/y8acHh5-zu0/s1600/shut_the_fuck_up.jpg
hahahahahahahaha best response to Ismail's long-winded posts. post of the month, folks.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

This thread is about random things attesting to the glories of Hoxha.
Wait a second...
1) you post stuff only relating to Hoxha, however
2) Hoxha didn't do anything glorious, so naturally
3) Ismail won't post here because Hoxha did nothing glorious.

[Grenzer]

I don't think anyone here would even know who the hell Enver Hoxha was if it wasn't for Ismail.

It's actually pretty great for casual conversations at times though. "Do you want to know what dead Albanian dictator Enver Hoxha would make of this situation? Well, I'll tell you."

[GallowsBird]

Gee..... I wonder why.

Yes, because quoting Hoxha is an argument.




Incidentally, it's "you're a moron".

Incidentally, most seem to write "your a moron" (rather than "you are a moron") hence I quoted it that way. It is generally a typo I presume.



lol, just like every other marxist-leninist?

That is not a valid sentence so don't try to criticise anyone else's posts. Firstly sentences should start with a capital letter; secondly, "lol" is not a valid English word and thirdly Marxist-Leninist should be capitalised. Before you try to criticise the grammar of another member's posts, as you do to almost everyone these days to try to seem intelligent (you don't you just look like you are ignorant and over compensating), at least have nothing short than excellent grammar lest you look hypocritical and that person starts criticising your own posts.


Yes, yes, the exact opposite. Yes, the whole fate of world revolution is in the hands of a small group of Marxist-Leninists as they bravely fight in the trenches against capitalists with their bare hands.

Are you really saying that in the Third World there aren't many Marxist-Leninist or Marxist-Leninist-Maoist revolutionaries? Wow. Yeah we all know that all the real revolutionaries in Asia and South America are Left Communist and Libertarian Socialist e-warriors fighting "the man" online.


Great, I feel much better already. I know that they can deal the death blow to capitalism with their autodidact ability to quote Hoxha.

(corrected the above to make the gap between "already" and "I" one gap as is correct in English)

Really? I always thought they can deal any sort of "death blow" by their planning of a successful guerrilla movement and actually fighting against the capitalist governments in their countries. But what do I know! :rolleyes:

Moral of the story: Rooster, don't criticise the posts of other members when your own posts leave much to be desired. Learn about the revolutionary movements in much of the world before claiming they are not in a large part Marxist-Leninist and generally don't post nonsense.

[GallowsBird]

I'm sorry but deluded idiots make be both lol and rage at the same time.

Do you rage and laugh at your mirror a lot then? :rolleyes:

[El Chuncho]

I'm sorry but deluded idiots make be both lol and rage at the same time.

I see you have been doing the grammar troll act here too, Rooster. You should probably remember that you have already been warned against doing this in another thread. Not everyone is a native English speaker and some people naturally make more typing errors because they write fast or are just more carefree whilst posting (not expecting an immature, wannabe bully to be marking every little error they make in their posts) online.

Also, you should probably write ''lol'' as LOL or even ''LOL'' if you want to criticize others due to grammar. ''Lol'' is not an English word*, ''LOL'' is an abbreviation (for ''laughing out loud''). Also I think you mean ''me'' not ''be''.

There is no real problem with you making these error, of course, but it is pretty hypocritical trying to flame others for making errors whilst making them yourself.

Why not grow a dose of maturity and stop trying to flame people for making typing mistakes?


*It is, however, a Welsh word that means ''nonsense'', so your post would mean ''Deluded idiots make me both nonsense...''. Actually, maybe that is what you meant.

[Ismail]

Wait a second...
1) you post stuff only relating to Hoxha, however
2) Hoxha didn't do anything glorious, so naturally
3) Ismail won't post here because Hoxha did nothing glorious.I'd say modernizing a country through socialism, adopting a consistent line of proletarian internationalism abroad, actively exposing revisionism of all varieties from reformist to pseudo-revolutionary kinds, and all-around being one of the foremost Marxist leaders of the 20th century are pretty glorious.


No, it is not. You already made a thread for that. You know, the one where you talk about how Hoxha is better than Kim Il-Sung or whatever because he wrote more books (The fuck?)I was pretty obviously being sarcastic.

Of course Hoxha's books actually contributed to Marxism-Leninism and were widely read by various Marxist-Leninist parties abroad rather than being used as part of so-called "Juche study groups."

[Rafiq]

Anyone else up for ignoring Ismail?

[Искра]

I'm for breaking his fingers so that he can't post anymore. He's an ultimate troll here with a mod stick... Jesus... only on revleft.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd say modernizing a country through socialism

I'd say that historically that's about the only thing "actual existing socialism" has been excellent at. Actually creating a society that outside observers don't marvel and wonder at why the residents of said society don't just suck off a Luger, though...not such a glorious record of success.

[Agent Ducky]

I was pretty obviously being sarcastic.

Oh? Because I really can't tell with you sometimes.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Did Hoxha ever write about the topic of masturbation?

[Omsk]

Close this thread,its point is obvious - attacks on ML's or anyone related.

[Agent Ducky]

Close this thread,its point is obvious - attacks on ML's or anyone related.

The point of this thread was never anything close to that. People just came in here, and for a lack of a better word... revlefted it.

And wait a minute, are we not allowed to use "lol" as a verb anymore? I thought that was an accepted thing on the internet O_o.

[Rafiq]

The issue of Ismail needs to be addressed to the BA.

I think he rambles on like this because all the users that destroyed him are either banned or inactive.

[Omsk]

Yes it was,you complained about ML's (People who know little about Leninism actually) - you knew what it would evolve to.

Close the thread.

[Agent Ducky]

Yes it was,you complained about ML's (People who know little about Leninism actually) - you knew what it would evolve to.

Close the thread.

No, I actually trusted in the fucking Chit-Chat community to have a lighthearted discussion. It wasn't meant to start a tendency war. Because fuck that shit. Fuck tendency wars. If I wanted those I'd go to Politics or something. Not Chit-Chat. I wasn't complaining about MLs. I was curious as to why these random people added me, and why they mostly happened to be MLs. Big difference. This thread wasn't attacking anyone. People just got their panties in a twist over .... nothing, really. If they were all leftcoms or anarchists I would've wondered the same thing.

[Drosophila]

No, I actually trusted in the fucking Chit-Chat community to have a lighthearted discussion. It wasn't meant to start a tendency war. Because fuck that shit. Fuck tendency wars. If I wanted those I'd go to Politics or something. Not Chit-Chat. I wasn't complaining about MLs. I was curious as to why these random people added me, and why they mostly happened to be MLs. Big difference. This thread wasn't attacking anyone. People just got their panties in a twist over .... nothing, really. If they were all leftcoms or anarchists I would've wondered the same thing.

To be fair, you did mention Hoxha in your original post. Not saying that it's your fault for what happened afterwards, but maybe you should have considered the consequences beforehand.

[Искра]

Yes it was,you complained about ML's (People who know little about Leninism actually)
What is leninism? :confused:

[Omsk]

Than why did you encourage hostile comments and added fuel to the fire?


Close the thread.

[Agent Ducky]

Than why did you encourage hostile comments and added fuel to the fire?


Close the thread.

Encourage hostile comments? :confused:
This is Chit-Chat. We don't take shit very seriously here, last time I checked. :blink:
I just didn't want my thread hijacked but it happened anyways.
At this point I don't give a fuck anymore. I don't give a fuck if someone closes the thread. But realize that I'm not out to get all the MLs or instigate or some bullshit like that. I just wanted to have fun in Chit-Chat. I'm *sorry* if people decided to take my thread in a direction that could be construed that way.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

What is with all these people getting all uptight over Hoxha?

Why is Hoxha the Holy Fucking Albanian Emperor and immune to any criticism or jokes?

We even joke about Marx and Engels here. There are no limits.