Monarchy

[Desert Fox]

I dislike the system, I made a paper of it for school and got a 9.5/10 (my teacher dutch is leftish). I didn't find the time yet to translate it to english/german but when I do I gonna post it here. But in the meanwhile what do you think about monarchy ?

[toastedmonkey]

I hate the monarchy, stupid hierarchy, no one has a god given rite to anything its completely out dated.
The British royal does fuck all except live off peoples hard earned money.

The only people i hate more are the two intruders in to Buckingham Palace this year.
That 'Comedian' who broke in on wills party, could of killed all the royal family, wasted a great oppertunity and made it harder for the rest of us.

And that journalist could of kill a few royals n the president of america, stupid bastard

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I gotta say... you are not going to find many champions of monarchy on this forum...

The premise of kings and queens passing divine rule through bloodlines is absurd, of course. I am somewhat surprised that there are still monarchies in the world today, particularly in the UK. The monarch has really looked outdated since the end of World War I...

[monkeydust]

In Britain the only real logical arguments I can think of are to keep the monarchy are to boost tourism and for diplomatic reasons. The main reason seems to be because its 'tradition'.

I don't think it will lats much longer but most of us British are so apathetic to things that change isn't brought about quickly. Look at our political system. The leader of the house of lords still has to sit on a sack of wool to remind him of the importance of the wool trade (from like 400 years ago). In the house of commons the distance between the two sets of benches is still judged by just over two sword lenghts, just so that Howard won't stab Blair it's pretty ridiculous the Monarchy should just be got rid of.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Monarchy blows.In most cases where it was practised,there was a ruling and privliged elite while the people starved.

[flayer2]

In a constitutional monarchy the queen/king is supposed to represent the "moral voice" of the country. Only a figurehead but plenty of clout with the population.

I suppose that once in a while a royal family may produce someone close to deserved of "the moral voice" and with enough fortitude to actually use that voice when its needed most. Like when it goes against the government.

I havn't seen one yet...

[Kapitan Andrey]

I only support constitutional monarchy...look at Norway!!! :)

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 24 2003, 10:58 AM
I only support constitutional monarchy...look at Norway!!! :)
Our monarchy is only in the way. It's just a reality show, with no usual purpose, other than to cause money to be used on royal weddings instead of housing for those who need it, and decent lives for the retired. If it was up to me, the monarchy should be replaced by a lion. Now that's something i can proudly support.

[Pete]

I read this early, I think in the philosophy "Fav. Quote" thread (I'm paraphrasing).

No one can be free until the last king is hung by the entrails of the last priest

Monarchs should be one of the must obvious target of leftist action. They are relics of a much older age. I mean does Britian really need to pay for a bunch of pompous nobles to run around just so they can gossip about them?

[The Feral Underclass]

The whole idea of a royal family is boardering on the insane. It just shows what faith people place in things. Desperatly trying to cling onto some kind of traiditon and past which we can identify with at the same time not realising how rediculas it all is.

We have this family who sit in big palaces, who are waited on hand and foot, get vast wealth which they didnt earn, get called Your majesty and every now and then we get them out dress them up in funny costumes place expenisve things on their heads and bow to them. It's crazy.

As for the royal family being here to boost tourism. It simply isnt true. The royal family acount for 4% of tourist revenue and probably costs that amount just to keep the palaces in working order and pay the workers salaries.

Most of the royals dont even want the privlage anyway. The Queen use to pray for a brother so she couldnt be queen. Prince William and Harry just want normal lives. None of them want to be King, yet they are forced to do it. I have often wondered what would happen if someone could debate with one of them. I mean really have a good old natter.

What do people think should happen to them during the revolution?

[Pete]

As in all cases, people would eventaully be forced (not physically, but by the very nature of thing) to take sides. A society shattering revolution, which is required to make the changes, would topple any form of hierarchy, and if the royalty stands in the way, then would it not be shattered too?

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 24 2003, 05:52 PM
What do people think should happen to them during the revolution?
If they have any sense they should flee, to the furthest corners of the earth, but then what happens to them when the revolution meets them there?

I belive if came down to me or any working class man fo that matter, i would kill them, all those years of oppression and sitting around taking our money for no reason, to hold ones own anger, (nevermind the whole working classes anger, over the centuries) would be an amazing feat, one that im not capable of.

[Intifada]

FUCK THE ROYAL FAMILY!!!

STUPID GOOD FOR NOTHING BASTARDS!!!

[Don't Change Your Name]

Monarchy=Fascism

So it is a pice of sh. and a lie

[Kapitan Andrey]

Listen to me!

I told you, LOOK AT NORWAY!!!

Their young monarchy is...normal. Every citizen love and support his ELECTED King!
They woted for creating King! Undrestood?

...Yes! British monarchy is sucks! :angry:

[RAGING BULL]

Their young monarchy is...normal.

What's a normal monarchy?


Every citizen love and support his ELECTED King!

ok Andrey, if you say so <_<

I&#39;m sure you know this much better than the Norwegians.

The monarchy in Norway is only here beacuse the gossip magazines need something to write about.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Goldfinger+Nov 24 2003, 05:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Nov 24 2003, 05:57 PM)
Kapitan [email protected] 24 2003, 10:58 AM
I only support constitutional monarchy...look at Norway&#33;&#33;&#33; :)
Our monarchy is only in the way. It&#39;s just a reality show, with no usual purpose, other than to cause money to be used on royal weddings instead of housing for those who need it, and decent lives for the retired. If it was up to me, the monarchy should be replaced by a lion. Now that&#39;s something i can proudly support. [/b]
I concur, the monarchy is now used more for commercial purposes of the capitalists than anything else ...


ok Andrey, if you say so <_<

I&#39;m sure you know this much better than the Norwegians.
I thought he was Russian <_<

[RAGING BULL]

Originally posted by Desert [email protected]Nov 25 2003, 06:56 PM
I thought he was Russian <_<
He sure is.

I think he&#39;s the only Russian here at che-lives.

[The Children of the Revolution]

Monarchy is outdated, this is undeniably true.

I&#39;d hate to live in a proper monarchy.

But a constitutional monarchy seems to be entirely reasonable; I say this as a Briton.

1. The Queen holds no power over me or over anyone,
2. It is good to have a national figurehead; rather Her Majesty than &#39;Bomber Blair&#39;,
3. The monarchy, although funded (to a degree) by the public, provides huge national income in the form of tourism
4. We get to sing "God Save the Queen" at international matches,
5. We have a national culture of our own, not damned American mono-sterile-useless-culture.

Feel free to disagree.

<hand on heart>
GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS QUEEN,
LONG LIVE OUR NOBLE QUEEN,
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN,
SEND HER VICTORIOUS,
HAPPY AND GLORIOUS,
LONG TO REIGN OVER US,
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...
:D

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 25 2003, 01:15 PM
Their young monarchy is...normal. Every citizen love and support his ELECTED King&#33;
They woted for creating King&#33; Undrestood?
Right now I feel like electing my royal boot in your ass

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by RAGING BULL+Nov 25 2003, 08:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RAGING BULL @ Nov 25 2003, 08:13 PM)
Desert [email protected] 25 2003, 06:56 PM
I thought he was Russian <_<
He sure is.

I think he&#39;s the only Russian here at che-lives. [/b]
Makes we wonder why he "knows" so much about other people :rolleyes:

[Kapitan Andrey]

RAGING BULL...I heard, that in the......program about Norway...(long, about 50 minutes)...correspondent asked passer-bys opinion on their govt. and royality...so I told you the results&#33;...I don&#39;t remeber how many, but...about only 2 of 15 don&#39;t like their monarchy...

Goldfinger...fuck you&#33; :angry:

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 1 2003, 01:14 PM
RAGING BULL...I heard, that in the......program about Norway...(long, about 50 minutes)...correspondent asked passer-bys opinion on their govt. and royality...so I told you the results&#33;...I don&#39;t remeber how many, but...about only 2 of 15 don&#39;t like their monarchy...
That&#39;s because most Norwegians are aphatic bastards who don&#39;t really give a shit about politics whatsoever. Our biggest party&#39;s most important cause is to get the immigrants out, because people seem to think that&#39;s the reason for all poverty, violence and drug abuse. That&#39;s how smart those people are.

[Hoppe]

In all countries I know of monarchies are still supported by the majority of people, thus the masses want a royal family.

Democracy is a good thing isn&#39;t?

[Goldfinger]

I think another reason so many said they like the royal family was because of the fear of hurting their feelings. (no, really)

[Comrade of Cuba]

Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 23 2003, 04:42 PM
I dislike the system, I made a paper of it for school and got a 9.5/10 (my teacher dutch is leftish). I didn&#39;t find the time yet to translate it to english/german but when I do I gonna post it here. But in the meanwhile what do you think about monarchy ?
I find a monarchy outdated because it is just an expression of the unequality between people. Allthough the King (of Belgium (my country)) has no power. We still pay him 500000&#036; a year, the princes and princesses get 250000, their wifes or men get 100000&#036;. And the only thing they do with that money is buying houses in spain, France,... Travelling, Buying expen,sive cars(Porsche, Ferrari). AZnd we have to pay their luxuries with our taxes. But our government (a neo-liberal one) has to save money on healthcare and education.

P.S.:I&#39; ve made a paper about nationalism (in the marxist-maoistic point of view=my point of view) and my teacher English (I speak normally dutch) gave me a 8/10, so I think that he also must be leftish of very objective.

[Comrade of Cuba]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 02:53 PM
In all countries I know of monarchies are still supported by the majority of people, thus the masses want a royal family.

Democracy is a good thing isn&#39;t?
I don&#39;t know where you&#39;re from. But in Belgium the majority of the people want no monarchy. We have a neo-liberal government who is against the monarchy, but even they can&#39;t "get rid" of the royal family. They even pay them a lot. (see previous post)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Comrade of Cuba+Dec 1 2003, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Comrade of Cuba @ Dec 1 2003, 05:45 PM)
Desert [email protected] 23 2003, 04:42 PM
I dislike the system, I made a paper of it for school and got a 9.5/10 (my teacher dutch is leftish). I didn&#39;t find the time yet to translate it to english/german but when I do I gonna post it here. But in the meanwhile what do you think about monarchy ?
I find a monarchy outdated because it is just an expression of the unequality between people. Allthough the King (of Belgium (my country)) has no power. We still pay him 500000&#036; a year, the princes and princesses get 250000, their wifes or men get 100000&#036;. And the only thing they do with that money is buying houses in spain, France,... Travelling, Buying expen,sive cars(Porsche, Ferrari). AZnd we have to pay their luxuries with our taxes. But our government (a neo-liberal one) has to save money on healthcare and education.

P.S.:I&#39; ve made a paper about nationalism (in the marxist-maoistic point of view=my point of view) and my teacher English (I speak normally dutch) gave me a 8/10, so I think that he also must be leftish of very objective. [/b]
Yep I know, I from belgium too. I got a 4/5 for my views about the monarchy I am quit happy, I f*cked up in the spelling departement :( it makes that I only have 6/10 but I am glad I got so much for my views :-)

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 02:53 PM
In all countries I know of monarchies are still supported by the majority of people, thus the masses want a royal family.

Democracy is a good thing isn&#39;t?
Your right democracy is a good thing, but there is nothing democratic about monarchy&#33;&#33;&#33;

I cant speak for other countries, but i dont belive the majority of British people support the Monarchy. I have met a couple of old biddies who like it, who are trying to savour some memory from childhood.

When i ask people they either dont like them, or havent thought about it, a lil convo later and they realise

[Hoppe]

That strange toastedmonkey, are the masses then brainwashed by bourgeois propaganda? Last poll I say was that 70% in Britain were in favour of the queen. So maybe you&#39;&#39;re asking the wrong people. Holland shows about the same percentage.

If the people don&#39;t want them anymore she&#39;ll probably abdicate.

[toastedmonkey]

That really depends on your source, and who they asked

The average guy on the street would be neither for nor againest, (there is a terrible attitude where people think if it doesnt concern them they aint interested, bu they apply it to politics and so on).

Also the timing, take a poll in "the sun" during the jubilee and people will be for, take it now in "the guardian" and they will be againest

[Hoppe]

Yes sure, if a start a poll here most people will object. I can expect that such things will be statistically corrected.

Have you held a survey which is statistically correct and significant?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 08:16 PM
That strange toastedmonkey, are the masses then brainwashed by bourgeois propaganda? Last poll I say was that 70% in Britain were in favour of the queen. So maybe you&#39;&#39;re asking the wrong people. Holland shows about the same percentage.

If the people don&#39;t want them anymore she&#39;ll probably abdicate.
Such polls are notoriously inaccurate, before you quote statistis from one you should find out what the exact wording of the question was, how the sample was chosen, how large the sample was, the response rate and the conditions in which the survey was carried out. It&#39;s not rare that two polls, which on face value seem to ask the same thing, come up with completely different results. It&#39;s often the case that questions are worded in a way which is misleading or subjective or that the sample is chosen in such a way that it is mainly middle class or white or christina or whatever. If the reponse rate id anything less than 60% then the survey can be concidered completely invalid. If it was done on a vouluntary basis then perhpas pro-royalists are more likely to voulunteer. So unless you can quote a credible source dont try to use figures like that to prove your point.

[Soviet power supreme]

In Britain the only real logical arguments I can think of are to keep the monarchy are to boost tourism and for diplomatic reasons. The main reason seems to be because its &#39;tradition&#39;.

I liked to know how much Britain profits from tourism when you add the expneces of royal family.

Diplomatic reasons my ass.What the hell are diplomats doing?
When Bush went to UK did he went to speak to the queen?No
He went at that mothafucka Blair.

Is it a good tradition when few people can live at the expence of others?
Damn lazy bums. :angry:

[Kapitan Andrey]

Goldfinger...That&#39;s because most Norwegians are aphatic bastards.
Are you against the majority?
Moron&#33;

That&#39;s how smart those people are.
There is a Russian-national proverb:"Don&#39;t put (smtn) from ~diseased~ head on healthy one&#33;"
It means - "If you&#39;re moron, don&#39;t tell us, that we are morons&#33;"

SPS...hmm...not bad...

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 1 2003, 11:30 PM
When Bush went to UK did he went to speak to the queen?No
He went at that mothafucka Blair.
I agree with your post but he did speak to the queen, he stayed at her house.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 11:49 AM

I agree with your post but he did speak to the queen, he stayed at her house.
hehe, you make it sound like a sleep over.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 06:53 PM
hehe, you make it sound like a sleep over.
It was, they had tea... and buscuits... and breakfast was served in betaware tubs.

[synthesis]

Can anyone else envision George Dubya decked out in teddy bear pajamas and one of those hats that Santa&#39;s elves wear, sleeping in the Palacem and then the Queen coming in and kissing him good-night?

"Good night, poopkin."

Unconscious old people are hilarious.

[canikickit]

Unconscious old people are hilarious.

That will be you someday, Dyermaker.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 05:07 AM

Unconscious old people are hilarious.

That will be you someday, Dyermaker.
I hope to be brutally murdered by Klansmen, Greensboro-style, before that point, but hey, you take what you get.

[Comrade of Cuba]

I hope that befor. i become a hilarious uncoscious old guy. There will be a truly communist world. Or else that I died in The Revolution. :hammer:

[Hate Is Art]

i think we should make the royal family live in squalor for a couple of years, that would teach them a lesson

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 04:56 PM
I hate the monarchy, stupid hierarchy, no one has a god given rite to anything its completely out dated.
The British royal does fuck all except live off peoples hard earned money.

The only people i hate more are the two intruders in to Buckingham Palace this year.
That &#39;Comedian&#39; who broke in on wills party, could of killed all the royal family, wasted a great oppertunity and made it harder for the rest of us.

And that journalist could of kill a few royals n the president of america, stupid bastard
I hate the monarchy, stupid hierarchy, no one has a god given rite to anything its completely out dated.

I agree 100% with that fealing.

The British royal does fuck all except live off peoples hard earned money.


Actually, not true, the royalty do have many civic and diplomatic duties. Thay also paid in the past to live of the government, when they donated most of the Winsor family estates to the government, in exchage for their cash, which supports their life style.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Comrade of [email protected] 3 2003, 07:10 PM
I hope that befor. i become a hilarious uncoscious old guy. There will be a truly communist world. Or else that I died in The Revolution. :hammer:
I only hope that before I die, I have exp. everything what a man should exp. in his life ...

[canikickit]

Or else that I died in The Revolution.

I hope you die in the revolution too.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 09:21 PM
Such polls are notoriously inaccurate, before you quote statistis from one you should find out what the exact wording of the question was, how the sample was chosen, how large the sample was, the response rate and the conditions in which the survey was carried out. It&#39;s not rare that two polls, which on face value seem to ask the same thing, come up with completely different results. It&#39;s often the case that questions are worded in a way which is misleading or subjective or that the sample is chosen in such a way that it is mainly middle class or white or christina or whatever. If the reponse rate id anything less than 60% then the survey can be concidered completely invalid. If it was done on a vouluntary basis then perhpas pro-royalists are more likely to voulunteer. So unless you can quote a credible source dont try to use figures like that to prove your point.
I know statistics. At least I took the time to find out, instead of coming with quotes about your average joe in the streets.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 08:36 PM

Or else that I died in The Revolution.

I hope you die in the revolution too.
Awfull friendly aren&#39;t we :lol: