World War III: McWorld vs. Jihad(Russia and China) a prophecy?

[NoMasters]

I am sure several of you posters are familiar with McWorld vs. Jihad. I have more and more fears that that proposition might just actually be true.

I have been closely following the event in Syria and the Mid East for the last couple of years and even more closely following the financial problems that the Western nations are having.

I have a very very very bad feeling that there might be an impending economic depression that leaves the world in peril. And as we all know, wars usually start because of economic instability. Russia and China seem to be in a good economic position, especially Russia because of its' national resources. America is still imposing its hegemonic tactics that seem to keep it immune from any possible debt collection or economic pressure from any country, especially because of their military strength.

However that isn't the case in Europe and the Middle East. Europe seems to be on the brink of revolution, manifested by Greece's impending economic collapse that will leave the nation in utter peril. The Middle East seems to be dividing into joining the West and sticking to the East with China and Russia specifically. Turkey, Saudi, and maybe even Egypt joining in with Western imperialism and Iran obviously sticking to Russia.

The moving pieces seem to be Syria and Pakistan. Pakistan is in my opinion already a military state mostly run by the ISI. Syria now comes into play as being a pivotal player in what the future holds. There are reports that Turkey and the West are already supplying aid to the FSA and opposition, and that Iran is sending troops, all of which I believe personally.

If that situation is to play out as an all out military intervention by the West and a few Middle Eastern nations, Iran and Russia and even maybe China will react in a way that could cause a huge divide in international politics. The UN could basically disappear and have no power at all, and that is probably the case already.

Well to make it short and to the point, could McWorld(West) vs. Jihad(Iran, Russia, China) actually happen?

I mean there seems to be an inevitable economic collapse in the future, and I think it isn't far away, especially in Europe. And that would basically knock all the dominoes over.

Syria seems at the same time to be lining up perfectly with the economic doom haunting Europe.

It seems to me that World War isn't that far off, and even if it doesn't happen soon, I believe it is quite clear that it is going to happen because of the "internal contradictions" as Marx would say. He seems to be prophetic at times.

:reda:

[ad novum orbem]

War does seem to be the ultimate economic reset button.

Once capital accumulation via debt-based consumption reaches its apex, the machine will grind to a halt and leave the world with two options: 1) A paradigm shift away from the profit motive of private ownership and control of capital altogether, or 2) Have a great big war to use up (or blow up) enough over-accumulated capital that the accumulation process can pick up again afterward; a barbaric 'solution' that needs repeating every few decades or so, which really doesn't make it a solution at all.

The old saying socialism or barbarism is quite poignant when you think about it.

[Comrade Samuel]

It really wouldn't surprise me whatsoever. Greedy scumbags v.s Self- right religious extremists, whos to say socialism wouldn't rise from the ashes of imminent newclear war? This is just speculation of corse, like pretty much anyone whose has tried to predict any future events here I say the same thing: it's pointless to talk about it until it actualy happens.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Are you talking about "Jihad vs McWorld" by Benjamin Barber? Because that, IIRC, was about the culture clash between globalism or neoliberalism or what have you, clashing with more "traditional values" (tribalism, religious fundamentalism etc) It wasn't really about specific nation states fighting each other.

[NoMasters]

Are you talking about "Jihad vs McWorld" by Benjamin Barber? Because that, IIRC, was about the culture clash between globalism or neoliberalism or what have you, clashing with more "traditional values" (tribalism, religious fundamentalism etc) It wasn't really about specific nation states fighting each other.

Yes. I am only referring to that because it seems that that is what is happening. I know he doesn't say there will be a massive war, but his seperation between the two groups seem to be very accurate today. I was merely using it as a reference.

[Zealot]

When the time for another World War comes, the imperialist western powers will be fighting each other. McWorld vs Jihad is a right-wing lie and isn't a Marxist analysis at all. I'm not even sure why you used the word Jihad and then include Russia and China.

[NoMasters]

I didn't take the world into that much seriousness. It was only a term for a cool thread title.

And Russia and China belong to Jihad because they do not like the West

[Ostrinski]

And Russia and China belong to Jihad because they do not like the WestI sure hope I'm taking this out of context but WTF

[NoMasters]

I sure hope I'm taking this out of context but WTF

You probably are. Russia and China seem to be isolationist in a lot of regards. We have seen Russia trying to bring back some of the older relations with Poland and Ukraine back to increase their influence. They have also been supportive of Iran and Syria. China seems to be in the same boat for whatever reason.

Iran is a Muslim nation, with a theocracy. Thus if the war that I am thinking might happen were to happen, Russia and China would be in this case join Iran.

Thus, Iran+Russia+China=Jihad

West=McWorld

Lets remember have much more authoritative China and Russia are than most of the Western nations in terms of domestic politics. Putin is blatantly corrupt with a Soviet Era state of mind still, and China massacres people who try to press for democracy.

The West does the same, but with far less brutality and corruption within their actual governments.

[NGNM85]

I didn't take the world into that much seriousness. It was only a term for a cool thread title.

And Russia and China belong to Jihad because they do not like the West

I'm going to have to disagree with you, there. China, especially, seems to be racing towards 'McWorld.' What I find most interesting about Barber's work is his solution, what he calls; 'Confederalism', which has striking paralells with Libertarian Socialism.

[KrasnayaRossiya]

lol russians won't side with arabs against NATO,not now at least.
we're still dealing with problems in checnya

[NoMasters]

lol russians won't side with arabs against NATO,not now at least.
we're still dealing with problems in checnya

The Arabs countries are not all against NATO as was shown recently in Syria with the UN Security Council and the support by the Arab League.

[Ocean Seal]

You probably are. Russia and China seem to be isolationist in a lot of regards. We have seen Russia trying to bring back some of the older relations with Poland and Ukraine back to increase their influence. They have also been supportive of Iran and Syria. China seems to be in the same boat for whatever reason.
Wrong no country has been isolationist ever since the rise of neo-conservativsm.
And stop lumping Russia and China together. They are two separate nations with separate interests. China supports Iran, and Russia support Syria.




Iran is a Muslim nation, with a theocracy. Thus if the war that I am thinking might happen were to happen, Russia and China would be in this case join Iran.
What?



Lets remember have much more authoritative China and Russia are than most of the Western nations in terms of domestic politics. Putin is blatantly corrupt with a Soviet Era state of mind still, and China massacres people who try to press for democracy.
The West does the same, but with far less brutality and corruption within their actual governments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suharto

They aren't less violent, they are merely better at covering it up. Have A sympathetic NYT article

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/world/asia/28suharto.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/world/asia/28suharto.html?pagewanted=all)

[NoMasters]

Wrong no country has been isolationist ever since the rise of neo-conservativsm.
And stop lumping Russia and China together. They are two separate nations with separate interests. China supports Iran, and Russia support Syria.



What?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suharto

They aren't less violent, they are merely better at covering it up. Have A sympathetic NYT article

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/world/asia/28suharto.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/world/asia/28suharto.html?pagewanted=all)

Neoconservatism is still not truly in practice. Bush might have gotten close but we are still pretty far away from it. We are neoliberal still.

China and Russia are definitely separate. Russia is selling arms to a nation that is murdering thousands of their people. China supports a nation that thinks the holocaust didn't happen.

Do you really think that there wouldn't be a pact between the 3 nations if this theory I proposed were to happen in the next 5-10 years?

Why would Russia and China not join Iran in an international conflict? Are you telling me that they would let the West take control of the entire Middle East and control all of its' resources as a consequence of that conflict?

Give me a break....

[CommunityBeliever]

Well to make it short and to the point, could McWorld(West) vs. Jihad(Iran, Russia, China) actually happen? No. The West has 70% of the world's military forces; they don't want these forces to go to waste in a nuclear war, so they will continue to use them against the third world. /thread

[gorillafuck]

Russia, China, and Iran do not constitute "jihad" at all.

also, it's weird to group Russia, China, and Iran together because Iran is not a world power.

[NoMasters]

No. The West has 70% of the world's military forces; they don't want these forces to go to waste in a nuclear war, so they will continue to use them against the third world. /thread

This has absolutely no rationale. It is laughable to think that war is over because of military imbalances and fall out from a nuclear war.

For Christ's sake, America nuked a country only 60 years ago. That isn't long ago AT ALL.

[NoMasters]

Russia, China, and Iran do not constitute "jihad" at all.

also, it's weird to group Russia, China, and Iran together because Iran is not a world power.

Jihad as being the power against the West. And yes they do. All three countries are extremely authoritarian. Russia like I said earlier is a completely illegitimate state. Especially because of Putin's dictatorial reforms.

China...well we don't even have to discuss their absurd levels of oppression on their people.

And Iran is pretty much self-explanatory. Iran is definitely a world power.

[Richard Nixon]

This has absolutely no rationale. It is laughable to think that war is over because of military imbalances and fall out from a nuclear war.

For Christ's sake, America nuked a country only 60 years ago. That isn't long ago AT ALL.

There is something called mutually assured destruction nowadays. In 1945 America had a nuclear monopoly. War is not over but wars between nuclear powers and thus by extension total wars or world wars are over.