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KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 11:17
Comrades what do you think of this?

St. Petersburg, Russia’s controversial anti-gay propaganda law passed the second of three readings today in a vote of 31 to 6, as activists protested the measure in front of the parliament and were later detained for seven hours.
During the debate, United Russia deputy Vitaly Milonov accused the “liberal opposition” of seeking to destroy the country and disregarding the well-being of children. He claimed that liberalism has increased the city’s “tolerance for drug use, and, in his opinion, the same can not be allowed in respect of sexual perversion.” The measure would fine groups or individuals who promote homosexuality, pedophilia, or transgenderism to minors. The version approved today includes fines that are 10 times higher than when the bill was first brought before the city’s legislature in November. The text:
“Under the public actions aimed at promoting sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality, transgender minors, in this article should be understood as a purposeful activity, and uncontrolled dissemination of public information, manner, able to harm the health, moral and spiritual development minors, including the form they have misconceptions about the social equivalence of traditional and nontraditional marriage. ” Under the promotion of pedophilia, the bill requires to understand “purposeful activity and uncontrolled dissemination of public information, manner, carried out in order to create a society of distorted notions of conformity to social norms of intimate relationships between adults and minors. “
The anti-gay legislation has been condemned by the international community and is in violation of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the European Convention for Human Rights, the Council of Europe Recommendations and other decrees. Lawmakers in Moscow are said to be considering similar bans.

Chapien
11th February 2012, 20:25
Its like any other anti-gay legislation: completely and totally stupid. The Conservative right is completely and totally stupid and archaic. Laws such as this have no logical basis and simply promote hate, stupidity, or both... unfortunately, last I heard the Communist party of Russia's policy on Homosexuality is no better (Though I may be wrong on that; correct me if so). Hopefully the law won't last long seeing as it violates the UN, the EU, and various other bodies but, I wouldn't count on that.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 20:32
Well my party is also anti-gay.
although not all members are,i have nothign against it,but you know how it is with a conservative leadership:(

Chapien
11th February 2012, 20:45
Well my party is also anti-gay.
although not all members are,i have nothign against it,but you know how it is with a conservative leadership:(

Yeah, I know. Its a shame really. Conservatives give Communists a really bad name. Hopefully Zyuganov and the other old fossils in charge of the KPRF will die off and lead to some more liberal social policies, but, that may take a while.

Rafiq
11th February 2012, 22:02
Yeah, I know. Its a shame really. Conservatives give Communists a really bad name. Hopefully Zyuganov and the other old fossils in charge of the KPRF will die off and lead to some more liberal social policies, but, that may take a while.

Both "Liberals" and Conservatism are Liberal.

Chapien
11th February 2012, 22:09
Both "Liberals" and Conservatism are Liberal.

Yeah, I realize my terminology was off, but it was early and I couldn't think of good wording... I believe you know what I meant, though.

阿部高和
15th February 2012, 06:15
“Under the public actions aimed at promoting sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality, transgender minors, in this article should be understood as a purposeful activity, and uncontrolled dissemination of public information, manner, able to harm the health, moral and spiritual development minors, including the form they have misconceptions about the social equivalence of traditional and nontraditional marriage. ”

This is wrong and I'd say unjust. But this is also unsurprising, seeing as the church is introducing a conservative upswing in most of Russia.


Under the promotion of pedophilia, the bill requires to understand “purposeful activity and uncontrolled dissemination of public information, manner, carried out in order to create a society of distorted notions of conformity to social norms of intimate relationships between adults and minors. “

Can't really say I have a problem with this part of the bill, now can I?

TheGodlessUtopian
15th February 2012, 22:13
Whenever I hear of such bills progress the only thing I can wonder is how the queer revolution is going to take hold in such countries like Russia and Uganda.

Obviously any progressive revolution would help but that in itself isn't going to change a whole lot.I am simply just wondering what the material and social conditions are going to be before significant change happens.

kuros
15th February 2012, 22:45
This is wrong and I'd say unjust. But this is also unsurprising, seeing as the church is introducing a conservative upswing in most of Russia.



Can't really say I have a problem with this part of the bill, now can I?

You dont support freedom of speech?

tachosomoza
3rd March 2012, 03:04
Nothing reactionary that comes out of Russia surprises me anymore.