Need advice on dealing with Bigots

[Chapien]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, and if it isn't, please feel free to move it.

My school has a small, but rather vocal and really annoying group of self-proclaimed white nationalists who continue to harass myself and most everyone (most of my school is of asian ethnicity), and seem to be the latest target of their harassment.

They recently learned of my sexuality (as well as my mixed ethnic background) and have begun to harass me to no end, calling me various slurs, insulting me on just about everything, calling me a commie libertard, and even calling me a "Disgrace to the race", whatever the hell that means.

I need advice on how to deal with this. Ignoring the harassment isn't working. I need to know how to put a final and permenant end to it.

Any help, comrades?

[Firebrand]

If you can report them to the school authorities, in Britain at least they are legally required to do something. I don't know about anywhere else, so if there are no laws on this where you live and you think the school authorities won't be sympathetic, you may have to take more drastic action. If you can't stop them attacking you then fight back, call them Nazis and facists, but make it funny that gets people onside and makes you look witty rather than whiny. Copy them in a mock hitler voice whenever they speak, any time you can make a joke about them being nazis do so. I'm assuming that the majority of your school are not nazi supporters, if you get it into everyones heads that they are nazis then everyone else should join in with the anti-nazi harrasment.
I get the impression they are already pretty unpopular already, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to turn them into the victims. But like I said if you think the school will act to stop bullying then get them to intervene on your behalf, if you turn the tables the school will be obliged to intervene on the behalf of the bigots. If they don't care then you've got free rein.

[CommieTroll]

Crack some Nazi skulls;)

[Veovis]

Crack some Nazi skulls;)

Maybe not this, but definitely learn some sort of self-defense. :cool:

[Nox]

If you can't beat them, join them!


Just kidding, if they are self proclaimed White Nationalists, surely the teachers should do something about it

[CommieTroll]

If you can't beat them, join them!


Just kidding, if they are self proclaimed White Nationalists, surely the teachers should do something about it


They definitely should but that's not always the case, most teachers more than likely don't care, others don't act and sadly a surprising number share those sickening beliefs.

[crazyirish93]

Look into their backgrounds break their beliefs piece by piece sow the seeds with the cold hard facts till they wake up and most of all dont let their criticisms hurt u , dont react to them make them react to u.

[Ostrinski]

"u mad bout the eastern front tho?"

Nah but there are plenty of people on the board who have had experience with nazis (see psycho) and from the sounds of it they're only effective in packs. Turn the tables against them maybe?

[revhiphop]

Not suggesting anything, but I always thought Nazi houses looked awfully nice with spray paint on them. ;)

If paint isn't your thing, a weapon of self-defense might be.

[revhiphop]

"Hey Nazis, remember Stalingrad?"

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Get some friends together. Get some steel-toed boots. Crack some ribs.

[Decolonize The Left]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, and if it isn't, please feel free to move it.

My school has a small, but rather vocal and really annoying group of self-proclaimed white nationalists who continue to harass myself and most everyone (most of my school is of asian ethnicity), and seem to be the latest target of their harassment.

They recently learned of my sexuality (as well as my mixed ethnic background) and have begun to harass me to no end, calling me various slurs, insulting me on just about everything, calling me a commie libertard, and even calling me a "Disgrace to the race", whatever the hell that means.

I need advice on how to deal with this. Ignoring the harassment isn't working. I need to know how to put a final and permenant end to it.

Any help, comrades?

I would do the following:

1) Report every incident of harassment, abuse, discrimination. This means recording it if possible and creating a record of your reports. Get as many people as possible to do this. Report it to the school, and if it happens off school grounds, report it to the police.
Get the names of the offenders, age, etc... Be thorough and get as many people as possible to join you.

2) Learn self-defense. You should do this anyway. Get some friends together and take classes.
Be prepared to break someone's face if they touch you. Verbal abuse is one thing and should be dealt with as stated in point 1. Physical abuse is another thing, and if coupled with on-going verbal abuse, can be construed as assault.

3) Do not provoke or antagonize these people. You have the upper hand because these people are ignorant fuckwads. You are smarter than them and you should use this to your advantage. Always remain calm, bigots feed on emotions and fear.

Remember that over time you can seriously put an end to this shit if you stay focused and organized.

- August

[Klaatu]

This may sound counter-intuitive, but I have found that laughing along with them is usually effective. They can't help but to scratch their balls and wonder what the hell to do next ;)

On the other hand, it helps to befriend a really big and tough guy who will watch your back

[Bostana]

You shouldn't do anything but try to make peace. Am I right guys hahahahahahahahah......Alright while they're not looking take this poison and "accidently" put it into their drinks.

Not really but I think you should report this or something the Principal should disband it because most teachers what to avoid headlines that say this school is racist.

[Comrade Auldnik]

Ignore them. No amount of engaging them in any way is going to make things better. One of two things will happen once you begin a campaign of shutting them out:

1. They will lose interest in you because they aren't provoking a reaction; or

2. They will attempt to provoke you violently.

It is for this second contigency that I recommend learning self-defense. If things escalate to the point of violence, I recommend learning to defend yourself while minimizing damage to your opponent. See, if you fight back in the traditional sense, authorities will actively look for an excuse to treat the incident as mutual combat rather than an attack against which you defended yourself. I've been bullied and attacked before, and I can tell you that authorities are absolutely no help to you if you give them even a modicum of excuse not to do their job for you.

[Bostana]

Comrade Comrade Auldnik is right. Like the Fascist leaches they support, they feed from your provocation. So just ignore them and hope they realize that they are just Scum.

[Kkay]

About a year ago i had exactly the same problem, i got threathened and harassed by some skinheads. I told the school authorities about it, but nothing really happenned until i told the cops about it. One of the nazis wasnt allowed to go to school for like the rest of the year.
The cops didnt do anything about it, and now he is back...

And that was just for spitting on and throwing away the flyers that they tried to spread, we will see what happens once they find out about my sexuality... :/

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Build a student alliance against these bigots and use that as a deterrent. Build queer positive clubs,foreign association clubs and create a alliance of those who are most at risk while appealing to the endangered student body.

Hard, I know, but baby steps.

[Prometeo liberado]

Hard to say but as your last resort a good fist to the face tends to get most people to open up to some sense of their wrong doing.

[Drosophila]

Ignore everyone in this thread who tells you to just resort to immediately resorting to physical violence. By doing that you'll just be getting yourself in trouble and jeopardizing your education.

I have no first-hand experience with racists, but what I'd do is...

A) Ignore them if they are really just close-minded numbskulls who cannot be helped, or..
B) Argue with them if they are somewhat reasonable. Obviously, your cause is backed by facts and logic, unlike theirs.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

My school has a small, but rather vocal and really annoying group of self-proclaimed white nationalists who continue to harass myself and most everyone (most of my school is of asian ethnicity)
It sounds like the small group of white nationalists aren't challenged by the majority, so organize and do so.

[Marquess]

DO NOT FIGHT THEM!

I'm gonna step away from my usual "Teach them by kicking their asses" mindset and say that that is the last thing you wanna do.

Non-violent approach.

White Nationalists are notorious cowards. You fight one of them, soon you're fighting all of them. They rely on the numbers game to show off their toughness. Go tell the teacher or principal first. Speak on the condition of anonymity (In other words, if he summons them to his office, make sure he doesn't say "Chapien says you've been bullying him...") and try to stay as close to teachers during passing time or whenever they usually bully you. After school, make sure you're the first one out if you can help it. If not make sure your'e surrounded by friends who will have your back.

Last resort.

In this case, I'm only advocating violence if it really comes down to it. And even then:

A) Make sure you have some reliable friends with you to somewhat even the odds

B) Don't stick around for too long. Fight, find a safe place and call the cops. Give names, descriptions, what they did and said to you, all that.

But like I said, use violence only in a worse case scenario. If you just go out tomorrow and introduce them to Mr. Right hand and his wife Lenore, expect 10 or 15 of them to follow you to your house (Not trying to scare you, but they'd probably do that. At least, the ones I've known have).

Which leads me to another piece of advice. If you think they would follow or feel like you're being followed, don't go straight home (Assuming the worse case scenario. happened). Duck through other yards, take an indirect route home that would let you seem them if they were following you, get a ride with a friend and have them drop you off at the library or something till you think it's safe, something. Once again, they're cowards, they'd go to just about any length for revenge. Don't assume they wouldn't stoop to any low, they probably would.

But by the sound of things, they're just being your typical bully idiot. So just follow the "Non violent approach" unless you see them starting to get more aggressive.

And sorry, I'm not trying to scare you with any of this. I'm just trying to give you advice on the assumption that they're the violent, cowardly type. I had to deal with bullies myself when I was in school, so I'm just trying to give you advice from another bullied persons POV (Of course, I usually took the fisticuffs approach. Which often had mixed results mind you. =p)

[Arilou Lalee'lay]

Start working out. A very good idea if you ever plan on having leftist bumper stickers, shirts, etc. or going to protests. I wish I lived near you. Problem could be solved very quickly.

But yeah, you're in high school and dealing with potentially homicidal retards. Let the man solve your problems if at all possible.

[Sheepy]

Everyone knows the schoolboard doesn't give a shit, so the best thing to do is rally up your fellow pupils and anti-Fascists and just take it from there.

Since they are a minority in the school, they should have no support what so ever and can't really cry for help, as much as they'd try. While you on the other hand could grow the "popular front" if you will.

Ignore those saying for you to "ignore and simply argue" as that won't work, they won't listen, and they'll continue to be despicable. Fascists aren't reasonable, if they were, they wouldn't be Fascists. Inaction is surrender and surrender brings torture.

[Aloysius]

The counter-troll option isn't exactly effective, but damn is it fun.

Just report the hell out of those fascists. If the administration won't do anything, call some local news outlets, if only to put pressure on administration to do something.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I would take Psycho's advice. Write down every instance of harassment as soon as a possible., Note the time, the people involved, and the events. See if you can find allies, other students who can confirm what you have written.I don't know how sympathetic or supportive the school administration is. See if you can find a sympathetic teacher or teachers. In the US some high schools have an "lgbt safe space" or a Gay Straight Alliance student group.

Don't feel ashamed to tell people about this. Take this to the administration. If they are not sympathetic or responsive try to find a sympathetic teacher. Also you could contact either Asian civil rights organisations or an lgbt group, this may be helpful.It might be helpful to organize an after school group with official school recognition.

Working out and learning a martial art is also a good idea.

[CountryKid]

Step 1: Put together SS Uniform - Wear to School.
Step 2: Impress White Nationalists.
Step 3: Closeted WN's with a Uniform Fetish (there is alot of 'em) join your cause.
Step 4: :o:o:o

Or not.

I had the same issue at school, and I just held my ground for the most part. If they give you shit, just don't let it bother you, and dont be afraid to get in their face.


If all else fails, find the one that yells the loudest, and stomp his ass.

[Human Lefts]

Some more tips

Get some informal assistance from teachers you think will support you. In many cases, teachers can't get involved formally, but will be willing to give you some information and guidance off the record. They could tell you which administrator is likely to react in a certain way.

See if you could use social media to help. Try an anti-discrimination/oppression at your school/district facebook group. You could use this to collectivize people, form solidarity, and have people contribute ideas and find help if they need it. It would be like an online mutual aid group.

Don't attack these people directly at first. Many of them sit around all day waiting for this to happen. Instead, rally people towards the common cause of equality. This will give some of them the opportunity to "defect" or at least think about it. Peer pressure is very important in adolescence and you should be able to use that as a tool to improve the situation.

Don't hate! That's what they are full of. You need to show them that there are other emotions. Have a welcoming but strict stance.

Do not think that you can't. You can. People just like you have done so much. Think of previous revolutionaries that you admire for inspiration and motivation.

Let us know the progress. I'm subscribing to this thread to keep updated :)

[NewLeft]

Just don't let them be the victims.. They love that.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Start working out. A very good idea if you ever plan on having leftist bumper stickers, shirts, etc. or going to protests. I wish I lived near you. Problem could be solved very quickly.

But yeah, you're in high school and dealing with potentially homicidal retards. Let the man solve your problems if at all possible.

Language please.

[TrotskistMarx]

WfORnXTH7HA
A marxist activist is a warrior. It is adviced for marxists to get into a weight-training, karate, self-defense class in order to be physically and spiritually prepared and backed by muscular power to defeat capitalists everywhere, and to defend the socialist ideology with their physical powers !!

The solution for all marxists of this world, who live around evil people and in evil hostile environments such as high schools, colleges, and the work place is to overcome stronger. The real world out there is full of evil, humans are not a piece of cake, are not a walk in the park. That's why I am a marxist-trotskist in favor of 100% (marxist dictatorship of the working class governments = 100% socialism). But however at the same time i also support the super-human efforts of Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, Cristina Kirshner, Mario Funes, Raul Castro, Daniel Ortega, FARC rebels, Putin, Amadinejad, Hugo Chavez and other populist-reforfmists anti-US imperialism, anti-Israel Imperialism, anti-Europe imperialism.

What I am trying to state is that we 100% marxists should also be realists. And apply the political realism of the book "The Prince" written by Nicholas Machiavelli, the philosophy books of Nietzsche, and other realist writters. Because humans out there are full of deep passions, unchecked appetites, envy, unfullfilled hungers, unfulfilled parenting love, deep Ayn Rand ultra-right wing competitive behaviour patterns. etc.

So having said all this about how evil the whole world is, I think that your only solution is to get into a weight-training power-lifting, strength-gaining weight-training program, as a tool to create an aura and a karma of strength, power and warrior, conqueror, fighter instincts, as a preventive measure to chase away the capitalist enemies. Because according to the book of Machiavelli when people are surrounded by evil humans, potential enemies and a hostile environment it is better to be *feared*, than to be *loved*.

So your best realist solution would be a weight-training muscle gaining program and a self-defense class such as Shorinji Riu Karate-Do.

You might want to try this exercise program, which is the weight lifting and aerobic exercise program I do (Remember that you must obey your metabolism. If you have a slow metabolism don't eat a lot, if you have a faster metabolism, eat a bit more)

THE EXERCISE ROUTINE

"To overcome stronger, starting from any point of strength is the only reality, not just conservation of power, but a will to overcome stronger, to expropiate, to become more, to be more powerful." -Fredrich Nietzsche

(Do it best at 5PM, it will last about 1 hour. Rest about 2 to 5 minutes between sets)

FULL BODY WEIGHT-TRAINING WORKOUT (DO IT ON MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS)
Bench Press 12-10-8-3-3-3 (The sets of 3 are heavy sets to failure)
Incline Bench Press 8-3-3-3 (The sets of 3, are heavy sets to failure)
Back Pull-Downs for back muscles 12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12
Military Press behind neck for shoulders 10-6-6-6-6
Squats for legs with barbell behind neck 15-10-8
Leg-press 45 degrees machine 8-8-8
Leg curls, for back of leg muscles 8-8-8
Barbell bicep curls 12-10-8-8
Triceps extensions 12-10-8
Standing Calves Machine 15-15-15

AEROBIC ROUTINE: Ride a stationary bicycle on moderate level, for 40 minutes on these days: Monday, tuesdays, wednesdays, friday, saturdays.



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If you can report them to the school authorities, in Britain at least they are legally required to do something. I don't know about anywhere else, so if there are no laws on this where you live and you think the school authorities won't be sympathetic, you may have to take more drastic action. If you can't stop them attacking you then fight back, call them Nazis and facists, but make it funny that gets people onside and makes you look witty rather than whiny. Copy them in a mock hitler voice whenever they speak, any time you can make a joke about them being nazis do so. I'm assuming that the majority of your school are not nazi supporters, if you get it into everyones heads that they are nazis then everyone else should join in with the anti-nazi harrasment.
I get the impression they are already pretty unpopular already, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to turn them into the victims. But like I said if you think the school will act to stop bullying then get them to intervene on your behalf, if you turn the tables the school will be obliged to intervene on the behalf of the bigots. If they don't care then you've got free rein.

[Pioneers_Violin]

Evil people will keep harassing you until you fight back or otherwise discourage them.
These sort of people only respect strength.

Possibly, they might get bored, find a more appealing target, get arrested for something or in rare cases, have a revelation and start acting like a human being.
But mostly, they are going to keep harassing you until you do something about it.

So how to fight back or otherwise discourage these jerks?

You must become imposing to them.

Unfortunately, they've already singled you out as their victim, so you now have an uphill battle.
If you had started with a stronger attitude, they probably wouldn't have started anything with you in the first place.

Physical training or martial arts might help but your attitude is the deciding factor.
You have to become stronger, especially and particularly emotionally stronger. Physically stronger is a good idea, but secondary.

These jerks may inadvertently help you! Like all of your experiences in life, this will affect you, and already has.
Use this uncomfortable experience to your advantage.
Learn how to overcome these sub-human excuses for morons and you will be better equipped to deal with adversity later in life.

"Telling the authorities" doesn't usually work so well with people of this caliber. They are likely to interpret this as a sign of weakness and get even worse.

Years from now, you may ponder these events and what you did about them.

Personally, I dealt with my adversities well in the end though it took several years of truly horrific abuse from my classmates before I learned to fight back... both verbally and physically.
It was a very uphill battle for me.
I emerged "emotionally scarred" but ultimately victorious.

Decades later, I'm stronger for it and glad I was so "honored".
It helped prepared me for life in general, which can be hard.

Now get out there and become stronger. You've got a fine bunch of volunteers to help harden you.

Good Luck and best wishes...

[Firebrand]

To all the people that are advocating physical resistance as a counter to bullying, please bear in mind that not everyone feels sufficently in control of their movements to feel secure in doing so, if you are physically weak and unco-ordinated then you look like a target and if you are physically powerful but uncoordinated you can seriously hurt someone without meaning to.


If you aren't totally in control of your movements its best to adopt a super relaxed position, laning back against a wall, sitting down in a chilled position and use words as weapons. The key is not to hunch over, look down or assume any kind of defensive position, that makes you look weak try and look slightly above their eye level if you can, looking them in the eye implies they are equals, looking above their eyes implies they are inferior, don't stare though, just make sure the resting position of your eyes is above their eyes.


Your relaxed position should make you look confident, and makes people baulk at physically attacking you. The aim is to make sure that there is never any possibility that the confrontation could end in physical violence, that the whole concept is beneath you. If you adopt that kind of attitude then the first one to resort to physical violence has lost and everyone can see they have lost. It makes them look like thugs and you look sophisticated and dominant. This should lead to most people siding with you.

[.45]

Crack some Nazi skulls;)

This.

[Nox]

Bring a Mach 10 submachine gun to school

[roy]

Bring a Mach 10 submachine gun to school

You say the darndest things :blink:

[Zealot]

A marxist activist is a warrior. It is adviced for marxists to get into a weight-training, karate, self-defense class in order to be physically and spiritually prepared and backed by muscular power to defeat capitalists everywhere, and to defend the socialist ideology with their physical powers !!


Lmfao, that shit cracked me up for a few mins irl. You're right, it wouldn't hurt to be physically active but defending Socialism isn't done by going to a gym every day.

[dodger]

Bring a Mach 10 submachine gun to school

Don't you read the news, NOX?---Somebody did!:blink:

[TheGodlessUtopian]

[/CENTER]

Lmfao, that shit cracked me up for a few mins irl. You're right, it wouldn't hurt to be physically active but defending Socialism isn't done by going to a gym every day.

Well, it might in a revolutionary situation where events have spilled over into a civil war (though if that was the case I certainly wouldn't recommend going somewhere public to work out).