new uk health reform bill

[MotherCossack]

i've not been keeping abreast of news lately... is it true that they are intending to keep 49% of beds free for private use? if so ... well i find the idea unthinkable.
i also heard that hospitals will be expected to compete with each other to encourage a healthy free market place. as if the provision is nothing but another opportunity to make a bit more of that wonderful stuff that capitalists love so dearly...profit!
any other proposals within the bill that i should know about?

[GoddessCleoLover]

I hope that you and the British working class in general fight against these attempts to privatise the National Health Service. No doubt there are those in the UK who would be happy to Americanise your health care delivery system. Never give in...

[MotherCossack]

never have i known such an overwhelming feeling of dread... but thanks for the words of solidarity.... only it seems hard to see what mere little "US" [i mean myself and like-minded others , not the US as in the USA] can do if they choose to dismantle our national pride and joy

[GoddessCleoLover]

How about forming a committee to fight back against the reallocation of public health services to the private sector?

[MotherCossack]

well it certainly seems to be peripheral, at best, on the rev-left radar!
i suppose there is limited glamour around such matters.
The National Health service is most definitely, in my view, one of our country's last treasures worth fighting for.
it seems that such essential services are destined, by their very nature, to be taken for granted and ignored until/unless they are either taken away, severely cut back or {and lets hope it goes no further than this} threatened with either.
so i stand by... and wait, hoping for signs of life from anyone on the side of preserving the thing at all.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Are the trade unions and the Labour party going to go along this Tory/LibDem scheme or are there signs that British workers are ready to fight against this reactionary bullshit?

[Arlekino]

There are plenty left wing campaigners against new reforms of NHS, the biggest problem as always we all depending on Health Care and ignorance of British society don't give enough voice, surprise me why British society not in the streets.

[brigadista]

privatisation "consultants" already been in - February will see transfer of in house services in some NHS hospitals over to private companies -

we should still fight it though


heres a link - Lqbour would have done it anyway
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/joepublic/2011/nov/22/nhs-bill-privatisation-stealth

[Bostana]

They only reason they would want to Privatize Health Service is so That the Bourgeoisie Class can make money off of People's Pain.

[brigadista]

They only reason they would want to Privatize Health Service is so That the Bourgeoisie Class can make money off of People's Pain.

yeah but its already happening

[Bostana]

yeah but its already happening

I know and it makes me sick that Health "Insurance" companies would not fund a man kidney Surgery that could save his life just so they can save some money. And them make some lame ass excuse for it.

[MotherCossack]

what can we do?
[a dreadful, weary impotence descends upon the few who care

thus threatening to extinguish our will to fight and disempowering us

utterly.]

seriously... this might not be the right thread... but does anyone know of any actual pro-active resistence to all this?

[Bostana]

what can we do?
[a dreadful, weary impotence descends upon the few who care

thus threatening to extinguish our will to fight and disempowering us

utterly.]

seriously... this might not be the right thread... but does anyone know of any actual pro-active resistence to all this?

Cal up a Representative , gather some friends and protest.

There is a lot of things you can do to try and prevent this.

[Arlekino]

Cal up a Representative , gather some friends and protest.

There is a lot of things you can do to try and prevent this.
Good idea but in this liberal world we dont have many friends and even friends are ignoring.

[Bostana]

Good idea but in this liberal world we dont have many friends and even friends are ignoring.

Fuck

Okay then just call a representative. They should support your decision since you did "elect" them

[Firebrand]

I can't believe they are getting away with this. And yet I can. Further proof that we don't live in a democracy. It doesn't matter what we do, do you really think they give a flying fuck if 2 million of us get out on the streets and protest against it. Didn't stop the iraq war did it.
They deeply and honestly believe in privatising the NHS, As far as they are concerned the only purpose of the NHS is to maintain a healthy workforce and now that they need fewer workers they need less healthcare.

Above all we have to understand that they DONT CARE what we do or say, because however we vote they will win, and the english working class has been sufficiently depoliticised to make a revolution seem unlikely. Until we actually start storming the banks and putting the bankers in front of firing squads they couldn't care less what we do, and if we were to do that they'd just have us all shot and then carry on as usual.

[Nox]

DAVID CAMERON = WANKER

He wants to totally dismantle all social welfare systems we have.

[Bostana]

I can't believe they are getting away with this. And yet I can. Further proof that we don't live in a democracy. It doesn't matter what we do, do you really think they give a flying fuck if 2 million of us get out on the streets and protest against it. Didn't stop the iraq war did it.
They deeply and honestly believe in privatising the NHS, As far as they are concerned the only purpose of the NHS is to maintain a healthy workforce and now that they need fewer workers they need less healthcare.

Above all we have to understand that they DONT CARE what we do or say, because however we vote they will win, and the english working class has been sufficiently depoliticised to make a revolution seem unlikely. Until we actually start storming the banks and putting the bankers in front of firing squads they couldn't care less what we do, and if we were to do that they'd just have us all shot and then carry on as usual.

You are right like the rest of the Bourgeoisie Class they won't care what you due. And a Revolution in England seems unlikely at this date and time.
However the British people can't just sit there and take, but what is their to do?

[Firebrand]

You are right like the rest of the Bourgeoisie Class they won't care what you due. And a Revolution in England seems unlikely at this date and time.
However the British people can't just sit there and take, but what is their to do?

I've heard the suicide rate has been rising. (bleak despairing look)

[Bostana]

I've heard the suicide rate has been rising. (bleak despairing look)

Yah but they don't care.
They're Capitalist pigs, all they care about is money
Hell, they even found a way to make money off of people's death by making a health insurance policy on some of their employees and naming themselves the benefactor.
Which is suppose to be illegal but I guess it doesn't count for big time cooperations

[MotherCossack]

I can't believe they are getting away with this. And yet I can. Further proof that we don't live in a democracy. It doesn't matter what we do, do you really think they give a flying fuck if 2 million of us get out on the streets and protest against it. Didn't stop the iraq war did it.
They deeply and honestly believe in privatising the NHS, As far as they are concerned the only purpose of the NHS is to maintain a healthy workforce and now that they need fewer workers they need less healthcare.

Above all we have to understand that they DONT CARE what we do or say, because however we vote they will win, and the english working class has been sufficiently depoliticised to make a revolution seem unlikely. Until we actually start storming the banks and putting the bankers in front of firing squads they couldn't care less what we do, and if we were to do that they'd just have us all shot and then carry on as usual.


DAVID CAMERON = WANKER

He wants to totally dismantle all social welfare systems we have.

i so, share these sentiments. hear! fucking hear!

If for no other reason, rev-left is worth being a member of ....just so we can have the modest satisfaction of posting

along the lines of:

"Cameron is a liar, a cheat, a prat, a charmless earwig with not a millegramme of honour and a fucker who deserves not one second of my time!!!"

and as for osborne...... "does that man have any substance...at all? or is just green slime all the way through?"

haaa! that is a tiny bit better.....[try it .... just be as expressive of the hate you feel as poss.... it works a bit...]

[bricolage]

As far as they are concerned the only purpose of the NHS is to maintain a healthy workforce and now that they need fewer workers they need less healthcare.
*ahem* that was always the 'purpose' of the NHS.

anyway hospitals have been boosting private numbers for years, alongside subcontracting as much as they can and casualising the rest, I don't think it's anything particularly new just now it's happening with greater intensity.

aufheben were writing a thing about it (http://libcom.org/library/aufheben/new-issue-out-now) but I never got round to finishing reading it.

[Bostana]

So then what is there to do to stop this bill?

Has it passed Parliament yet?

[MotherCossack]

No, not quite... but it is currently moving along at an uncomfortably advanced stage of parliamentary wooberry macpooberry whatever-it-is-they-do-in-there-with-bills-before.....abra-cad-abra....
[sharp intake of breath]

NEW LAW IS BORNETH!!!!!!

[brigadista]

where its at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16933394

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/13/nhs-reforms-live-blog

[Bostana]

No, not quite... but it is currently moving along at an uncomfortably advanced stage of parliamentary wooberry macpooberry whatever-it-is-they-do-in-there-with-bills-before.....abra-cad-abra....
[sharp intake of breath]

NEW LAW IS BORNETH!!!!!!

I would recommend calling your parliament Representative and raise awareness to your friends and others

[MotherCossack]

being a dozy mare i confess i am not sure if this is a genuine suggestion or an exercise in remorselessly sarcastic irony or blatently ironic sarcasm.

dozy mare is cockney for a female who has trouble focusing.

so 'ere we go...its 'awl abouwt 'arf inchin' our 'ealf service know wot i mean..i fink it'sa bleedin' stich-up.. doncha fink! 'dem 'oity toity bleeders 'avent got a clue .ify'ask me... 'ole fing'sa nashunal disgrace. dare'wl be bludie sorry i cun tew' ya.

sorry about that....thread derailer....
get back on topic....now

so i need to search for any sign of dissent from among the shadows ... maybe if i find any such signs... i could employ the use of many very large mirrors and fool the legislature, judiciary and the executive into believing we are in the ascendency.

[MotherCossack]

being a dozy mare i confess i am not sure if this is a genuine suggestion or an exercise in remorselessly sarcastic irony or blatently ironic sarcasm.

dozy mare is cockney for a female who has trouble focusing.

so 'ere we go...its 'awl abouwt 'arf inchin' our 'ealf service know wot i mean..i fink it'sa bleedin' stich-up.. doncha fink! 'dem 'oity toity bleeders 'avent got a clue .ify'ask me... 'ole fing'sa nashunal disgrace. dare'wl be bludie sorry i cun tew' ya.

sorry about that....thread derailer....
get back on topic....now

so i need to search for any sign of dissent from among the shadows ... maybe if i find any such signs... i could employ the use of many very large mirrors and fool the legislature, judiciary and the executive into believing we are in the ascendency.

if you want my advice... don't listen to a word i say....

i am clearly off my rocker!!

and although i have to admit that my mind wanders... taking the threads i'm on, with me...

i think that you'll find that i usually bring them back ....

and if you're lucky i might even weave them together, so they look pretty.!

[Bostana]

if you want my advice... dont listen to a word i say....

i am clearly off my rocker!!

but although my mind wanders... taking the threads i'm on with me...

i think that you'll find that i usually bring them back ....

if you're lucky i might even weave them together so they look pretty.!

You have a right to be pissed.

The parliament is passing a bill that is complete bull shit.

[MotherCossack]

yeah... sense...
nail on the head mate.
it is a pile of shite alright.
words fail me... words fail... period .
it's time to get our hankies out boys....
or is it leather gloves.

oh..... F**K IT. Anyone got a big stick??

[Bostana]

yeah... sense...
nail on the head mate.
it is a pile of shite alright.
words fail me... words fail... period .
it's time to get our hankies out boys....
or is it leather gloves.

oh..... F**K IT. Anyone got a big stick??

Fair Warning:

I don't do good with British Slang.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Perhaps it is time to organize a fight back committee to oppose the health care cutbacks?

[ColonelCossack]

Fair Warning:

I don't do good with British Slang.

The funny thing is she didn't use any slang!!! :D

Isn't there something on this bill where some ridiculous figure like nearly half of all hospitali beds will be allotted to "any willing healthcare provider", i.e. private healthcare. Or does that mean ME!?!

[GoddessCleoLover]

I worked in the American health care system for ten years and am willing to be the proverbial dollars to doughnuts that "any willing healthcare provider" means private healthcare companies. Provider is a term of art in the field and I am quite sure that it pertains to professional rather than amateur "providers".

[MotherCossack]

yeah... sense...
nail on the head mate.
it is a pile of shite alright.
words fail me... words fail... period .
it's time to get our hankies out boys....
or is it leather gloves.

oh..... F**K IT. Anyone got a big stick??


Fair Warning:

I don't do good with British Slang.

"YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD." === you have said a very accurate thing, you are 100% right.

the other thing about hankies, gloves etc..... is only a vague belief that historically posh aristocratic toffs used to have rituals, born out of low level conflict and thuggery that transcended the simple punch-up.
there would be a thing waved or thrown at the foot of the intended foe [glove?]and a totally bonkers dual would be arranged at dawn on some misty moor or somewhere else suitable..

hope that clears it up

[MotherCossack]

today it got passed.

the nhs reform bill is now law.
life really is shit!!!!!

how did we let it happen??
i, for one, feel ashamed that i did nothing to protest.
it was like there was a conspiracy of silence...
nobody said anything... i just thought we had more time, and that .... surely someone would make some noises ...
when there was still time to do something....

the opposition has finally proved , conclusively, that it is entirely without boll***s. I knew they were shit..... now i fully believe they are wholly worthless shit. supporting the fucking labour party is like being dead.

somebody say something either hopeful or at least comradely or i might do something silly.

[bricolage]

I don't think there was much that protests and petitions could really do. The bill will only falter from:

a) GPS and management refusing to implement it.
b) Labour winning the next election.
c) Prolonged industrial action from health employees.

I know which one is the most desirable, it also seems the least likely.

[MotherCossack]

now i hear the budget......
glorious bastards have abolished the 50% tax band. down to 45%
oh yes!!!! wonderful! such austerity!!!
oh the rich ... i hope they rot in hell!!!!
if it is the last thing i do... i will do something .... something to make them pay....
god i hate tories!!
nlow i am angry!!!
watch the fuck out you scum of the earth how dare you
presume to treat us like this
Osborne may you rot in a hell of my making....
how can they be so blatently unfair.
you know I could get really abusive nlow , and personal!!!!
this takes me back.... ooh it is Thatcher all over again.
no matter am going to find a way to be heard .....
that is.... once I have got the hang of angry typing.... this is me .... very very angry.....

tory scum... listen... take note.... I am one woman.....
but I will be heard...... somehow or other....
if i have to sacrifice everything doing it.... i will tell you what i think and you will hear me and you will be ashamed
there is no justice in your world. i hate your world. your world is foul, and if i believed in hell....
i'd say you are dragging us there.
if this makes no sense. fuck you .
i am grown lazy , i have been asleep .....
but watch out mr conservative osborne cameron party
i am watching you.
and mr fuckface wet liberal no bollocks arsehole tory hugging clegg
you are contemptable and i will see you rot in hell... and i hope you never get another vote
you are an apology for a leader who should be stoned to death by your party if it has an ounce of integrity

[Left Leanings]

Take a look at this:

The wife of a Labour politician has her snout in the trough.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8795717/Cherie-Blair-stands-to-gain-from-NHS-privatisation.html

Cherie Blair is, of course, the wife of former British Prime Minister Tony Blair (the war criminal responsible for incinerating women and children in Iraq).

The NHS has long been on a slippery slope to destruction, and the creeping privatisation started under the Tory administrations, didn't really falter under New Labour. We cannot look to any of the established parties of capital to defend our NHS. We have to do that ourselves.

[MotherCossack]

the health service is up for sale
going the way of british rail

it is a shame that no-one cares
our national treasure sold for shares.

the banks messed up and took our money
now we need it back they thinks its funny

how they always manage to end up rich
while thousands grovel in some ditch

and now we hear the latest news
as well as pricier fags and booze

the richest people in the land
are getting a huge big helping hand

the poorest people who need help most
get no more than tea and toast

[MotherCossack]

who cares about the old
and whether they are hungry or cold

who cares if we dont play fair
the opposition have run off somewhere

the lies we tell to explain our greed,
oh the common folk are an ignorant breed,
it doesnt take much a muzzle and a blinker
and they swallow it all hook line and sinker.

we have it all and the run of the place
in fact its hard keeping the smile off my face.

i can rip them off with such enjoyable ease
then i watch them squirm as i start to squeeze.

i must confess i expected more
opposition from the dirty and poor.

now let us see how much i can take
before the masses stir and wake.

like a huge dumb beast
watching blankly while we feast

no matter the beast is dumb
has no idea what it could become

we are safe, home and dry
if it stirs i'll tell another lie

on with the party my priveged chums
we will throw beast a few stale crumbs

a few will do, not too much
we want to keep it in our clutch

nice one tories
nice one clegg
nice one cameron
see them beg

[MotherCossack]

they just keep on coming with the self-serving, awful, blatently implausible reasons for their diabolical actions. it sickens me.