rock throwers set trap, injure livermore pig

[bcbm]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fc%2Fa%2F2012%2F02%2F10%2FBAAL1N62 7D.DTL&type=newsbayarea

heh

[Le Rouge]

That's just wrong. Why did you post that?

[workersadvocate]

That's just wrong. Why did you post that?

What's wrong about it?

[Le Rouge]

What's wrong about it?

You are crazy. You think it's right to throw rocks at policemen while possibly injure/kill them? That's not how we will win support.

[The Douche]

You are crazy. You think it's right to throw rocks at policemen while possibly injure/kill them? That's not how we will win support.

Oh sweet, sweet mother of god, please tell me your trolling, I won't even give you an infraction.

[Le Rouge]

Oh sweet, sweet mother of god, please tell me your trolling, I won't even give you an infraction.

I swear i'm not. Kids...

[ed miliband]

pleeeease give him an infraction anyway

[The Douche]

pleeeease give him an infraction anyway

If I could make unilateral decisions, unquestioned by anybody I would ban him for being a police supporter.

Fuck cops, this news article only leaves me shaking my head because no coppers died.

[The Douche]

I swear i'm not. Kids...

If I was a real jerk and vindictive I'd give you an infraction for ageism right here. But I don't really care that you said "kids", I'm just upset that you love cops.

[Le Rouge]

If I could make unilateral decisions, unquestioned by anybody I would ban him for being a police supporter.

Fuck cops, this news article only leaves me shaking my head because no coppers died.

Ok, let's face it, I don't like cops.
But the question is : Does throwing rocks at cops will help us in any way? No fucking way!

[RedAnarchist]

I was worried at first that they had hurt an actual pig.

[ed miliband]

Ok, let's face it, I don't like cops.
But the question is : Does throwing rocks at cops will help us in any way? No fucking way!

what helps tho? my experience of anarchist politics usually amounts to sitting around and "voting" on pointless internal issues - should we make more stickers? etc

does that "help"?

[The Douche]

Ok, let's face it, I don't like cops.
But the question is : Does throwing rocks at cops will help us in any way? No fucking way!

Who is "us"? What is "help"? Why do you think the people who did it was "us"? Why do you think they would want to be in a "us" that included you? Why do you think I am in any "us" which includes you"?

This is an act of social war, the working class and dispossessed exist in a position where they have a war declared on them, in many cases, the front line of the enemy is expressed by the police. Sometimes the social war is hotter than other times, obviously, at this instance, it heated up a little bit.

This action doesn't need to be a "help", it just is. These things happen in wars.

[Le Rouge]

I thought that wanting the death of someone is against forum's rules.

[ed miliband]

you're against the forum's rules

[Veovis]

If I could make unilateral decisions, unquestioned by anybody I would ban him for being a police supporter.

Fuck cops, this news article only leaves me shaking my head because no coppers died.

If only you could infract the fuckers posting in the comments section of that article.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Interesting story.

I remember a year or so back, someone in St. Louis phoned in a fake 911 call, and when the police arrived at the location a sniper started firing at them from a nearby building. IIRC the sniper got away in that particular instance. Some people just get really pissed off at the po-po, I guess.

[Искра]

I was worried at first that they had hurt an actual pig.
Yeah me 2. And since I have little pig as a pet he was scared also... but now when we realised that you are talking about cops he went to sleep... I love pigs... they are so sweet and nice... and they like to kiss me and bite my ear :blushing:

[Le Rouge]

you're against the forum's rules

Am I? Show me.

[ellipsis]

I'd give an infraction here, cmoney. seriously rock throwing might kill cops? anybody who does not think that rock throwing against police would be an acceptable tactic in a revolution is a reformist and as chris hedges/derek jensen would say a "pig lover."

Infract away. At least in SF and Oakland, the battle lines have been drawn and to support the police at this point...

[Искра]

Why don't you then infract DNZ for being socialdemocrat? :D Or all those users who supported KKE beating people for cops?

[Le Rouge]

I'd give an infraction here, cmoney. seriously rock throwing might kill cops? anybody who does not think that rock throwing against police would be an acceptable tactic in a revolution is a reformist and as chris hedges/derek jensen would say a "pig lover."

Infract away. At least in SF and Oakland, the battle lines have been drawn and to support the police at this point...

And since we are not near a revolution, it's not acceptable. Gratuitous violence.

[ellipsis]

lol, at first I thought this was livermore england, not cali,

fuck all California cops, they are complicit in the California corrections-industrial-project. free all prisoners.

livermore is where lawrence livermore national labs is where they do weapons testings, so fuck this cop extra for protecting that.

[ed miliband]

Am I? Show me.

yeah you are brah

enjoy the infraction i hope is coming

[Le Rouge]

yeah you are brah

enjoy the infraction i hope is coming

You mad bro?

[bcbm]

verbal warning to le rouge for being a weiner

[bcbm]

also there is a reason this was posted in 'non-political' duder...

[ellipsis]

And since we are not near a revolution, it's not acceptable. Gratuitous violence.

its not clear this particular case was at all political, your comments aren't really relevant, so really ur just a pig lover.
people cant even enjoy the suffering of their enemies on this forum?

[Le Rouge]

I out of here.

[Leftsolidarity]

verbal warning to le rouge for being a weiner

I just lol'd pretty hard

[RevSpetsnaz]

Yeah me 2. And since I have little pig as a pet he was scared also... but now when we realised that you are talking about cops he went to sleep... I love pigs... they are so sweet and nice... and they like to kiss me and bite my ear :blushing:

"I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."

[Le Rouge]

I don't remember saying that i like cops.

[GoddessCleoLover]

I have personally thrown rocks at the police in response to being tear-gassed although that was many years ago. I said that to say this, I can't approve of ambush tactics for several reasons, first, because we are not at or near a stage of revolutionary development where the masses of the working class would support such an action. Second, I can see no way in which this action is likely to mobilize militancy among the broad mass of working people, and I can certainly see how it might be exploited by the reactionary press. Third, when we violently engage the police in the heat of a demonstration it is usually in self-defense, as a response to police violence against us. At the current stage of struggle I believe that we ought to forego ambush tactics, not out of regard for the police, but because it does not advance our cause.

[ed miliband]

I have personally thrown rocks at the police in response to being tear-gassed although that was many years ago. I said that to say this, I can't approve of ambush tactics for several reasons, first, because we are not at or near a stage of revolutionary development where the masses of the working class would support such an action. Second, I can see no way in which this action is likely to mobilize militancy among the broad mass of working people, and I can certainly see how it might be exploited by the reactionary press. Third, when we violently engage the police in the heat of a demonstration it is usually in self-defense, as a response to police violence against us. At the current stage of struggle I believe that we ought to forego ambush tactics, not out of regard for the police, but because it does not advance our cause.

gramsci was a bastard

[GoddessCleoLover]

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you want your opinion to carry any weight with me try to state some reasons behind your assertion.

[ed miliband]

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you want your opinion to carry any weight with me try to state some reasons behind your assertion.

1 - you like gramsci
2 - you don't like ambushing cops and throwing shit at them
3 - gramsci must be shit and thus a bastard

plus i'm too drunk to remember but wasn't he part of the stalinist crew who fucked around with bordiga?

[GoddessCleoLover]

I can understand why a Bordiga partisan would not be enamored of Gramsci. After Gramsci was incarcerated by the Fascists, his prison writings were a profound reassessment of Marxist-Leninist theory and properly understood renounced the dogmatism of the "Stalin crew". Gramsci also deserves respect because his imprisonment by the Fascists was another of Mussolini's many crimes against humanity.

[NewLeft]

That's just wrong. Why did you post that?

Call me a dirty hippie, but a moderate head injury..? Yeah, I know that cops do it 10x worse.

[Per Levy]

now i wont cheer for this for one reason, no one here knows if the rockthrowers wanted to target a policeman or wanted to injure anyone who stopped at that little baricade. if they wanted to target the cop, fine with me since cops would/will do much worse but if these guys just wanted to injure random people then fuck em.

[Rusty Shackleford]

"dont trip, man, this pigs cool... he gets stoned"

[The Douche]

I'm wasted right now, so I'm not about to deal out any sort of infractions or anything. But when I sober up tomorrow morning there is gonna be hell to pay in this thread.

So all you nerdarios who want to defend the police, please congregate in this thread, so I know where to find you.



The only good cop is a dead cop, not one millimeter back, just 9 milimeters in the heads of the cops, etc etc.

[Fawkes]

You are crazy. You think it's right to throw rocks at policemen while possibly injure/kill them?
You mean the same motherfuckers that patrol up and down my block every day and night armed to the teeth and with full legal backing to kill at will? Yeah, killing them's okay in my book


I thought that wanting the death of someone is against forum's rules.

You do realize that this forum is called RevolutionaryLeft, right? And a revolution is a war. War's are violent. Police are the defenders of the state. The state is our enemy. If this was against forum rules, this forum wouldn't exist.

This is a war. It's a war that's been going on for centuries. And so far, we're losing. Yeah, attacking cops in and of itself isn't how revolutions are won, but to condemn it as "gratuitous violence" is implicit support of the same state that murders us every single day


Edit: Also, as far as "not winning us support", I don't know where you live, but ask anyone in my or most working class neighborhoods if they're gonna shed a tear over a concussed pig....

[Prometeo liberado]

My heart sings! Nothing more than the body guards for the monied class as comrade Lenin used to say. Individual strikes against the state and/or their representatives is a reaction against the daily terror that these people in uniforms bring to the community on a daily basis. Terror begets terror till one side blinks.:cursing:

[Ocean Seal]

I was worried at first that they had hurt an actual pig.
You bastard, that's what I wanted to post as well. I thought that some PETA people had thrown rocks to liberate some kind of pig at an expo. And then I felt really sad, but then I was like okay.

[An archist]

I read an article a while back about some people in Brussels who called the cops to a certain street, when they arrived, the road was full of olive oil, so the cop car skidded off the road into some parked cars.
They weren't particularly injured I think.

[svenne]

So, one of the new rules are "if you don't want to kill all cops in the world, you're a counterrevolutionary and will be thrown to the OI forum"? Oh come on. I don't wanna draw myself an infraction for ageism, but it sure seems kind of childish (and remember, you can be 45 years old and still childish...) to think that. It isn't particularly strategic to just target cops, in random, in todays situation. so, speaking to a worker (as an autonomist) should go something like this:
- (worker) Oh, you're the guys who always fight with the cops. Why should i care about you?
- (me) urr durr herp derp they are the enemy, i want to kill them, 'cause, yeah, i'm a freaking REBELLLLL

Yeah. It's also funny that Fawkes thinks that we're in a revolution today. Must've missed it. Damn bourgoeis media.

[human strike]

Ok, let's face it, I don't like cops.
But the question is : Does throwing rocks at cops will help us in any way? No fucking way!

Yes, actually. Are you familiar with the concept of signals of disorder? And that's just for starters.


I was worried at first that they had hurt an actual pig.

lol me too.

[bcbm]

I can't approve of ambush tactics for several reasons, first, because we are not at or near a stage of revolutionary development where the masses of the working class would support such an action. Second, I can see no way in which this action is likely to mobilize militancy among the broad mass of working people, and I can certainly see how it might be exploited by the reactionary press. Third, when we violently engage the police in the heat of a demonstration it is usually in self-defense, as a response to police violence against us. At the current stage of struggle I believe that we ought to forego ambush tactics, not out of regard for the police, but because it does not advance our cause.

who is we? nothing in the original piece or elsewhere in this thread connects this action to pro-revolutionaries or the left or whatever. it was probably just some bored kids. hence the reason i posted it in 'non-political' instead of 'politics'


So, one of the new rules are "if you don't want to kill all cops in the world, you're a counterrevolutionary and will be thrown to the OI forum"? Oh come on.

notice how no actual action has been taken? jokes bro



It isn't particularly strategic to just target cops, in random, in todays situation. so, speaking to a worker (as an autonomist) should go something like this:
- (worker) Oh, you're the guys who always fight with the cops. Why should i care about you?
- (me) urr durr herp derp they are the enemy, i want to kill them, 'cause, yeah, i'm a freaking REBELLLLL

no one said this is strategic what forum are you currently browsing hint non-political

[Искра]

some PETA people
And by PETA you mean: People for Eating of Tasty Animals?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Ok, let's face it, I don't like cops.
But the question is : Does throwing rocks at cops will help us in any way? No fucking way!
Fact is we don't know if it's political or not. Trust me, lots of people that aren't anarchists/communists hate the police just as much. Maybe someone they knew just got locked up and they wanted to show the cops what's good, we don't know.

[The Douche]

Fact is we don't know if it's political or not. Trust me, lots of people that aren't anarchists/communists hate the police just as much. Maybe someone they knew just got locked up and they wanted to show the cops what's good, we don't know.

Well it is political to struggle against the forces of state repression, but it may not be overtly political.


The fact is, there are always going to be some leftist nerdarios who will cry "how does this help the struggle", meanwhile the working class will be storming the winter palace.

[blake 3:17]

meanwhile the working class will be storming the winter palace.

What's the address?

[ed miliband]

well it is political to struggle against the forces of state repression, but it may not be overtly political.


The fact is, there are always going to be some leftist nerdarios who will cry "how does this help the struggle", meanwhile the working class will be storming the winter palace.

how will the media portray it?!?!

[Luc]

What's the address?

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, D.C

[Ele'ill]

Anyone with information is asked to call police at..



"911 emergency what's the problem today?' "uh yeah so there's some concrete in the middle of the road near an overpass.." "alright we'll be dispatching an officer right away"

[Rafiq]

And since we are not near a revolution, it's not acceptable. Gratuitous violence.

Fuck off with your moralist chomskyan ngnm bullshit. "not acceptable"? By who? Fucking idiot.

[NewLeft]

Fuck off with your moralist chomskyan ngnm bullshit. "not acceptable"? By who? Fucking idiot.

:rolleyes: You ALWAYS bring Chomsky into this.

[Nox]

Lol, I wish I was there!

But I wasn't, so I should stop having deluded fantasies and go back to my shit life

[Rafiq]

:rolleyes: You ALWAYS bring Chomsky into this.

And rightfully so. Chomsky is the continuation of Bourgeois-Socialist politics that were, before, left dead thanks to Marx. It would appear as the postmodern shit came to be, the works of Marx and Engels, etc. in regards were forgotten.

I do not attribute Chomsky to this new trend. But he is, to be quite frank, a representation of modern bourgeois-socialism symbolically.

[Comrade Auldnik]

I was worried at first that they had hurt an actual pig.

This. So much.

[PhoenixAsh]

Le Rouge...why the hell do you even have the anarchist flag in your avatar??

[NewLeft]

Le Rouge...why the hell do you even have the anarchist flag in your avatar??

Who cares, it's just a flag.

[Le Rouge]

You mean the same motherfuckers that patrol up and down my block every day and night armed to the teeth and with full legal backing to kill at will? Yeah, killing them's okay in my book

You live in the USA, i don't.
Why do you think it's okay to kill them?
So, you must be for the Death penality? Since you think that if someone kills a person, we should kill him too.



You do realize that this forum is called RevolutionaryLeft, right? And a revolution is a war. War's are violent. Police are the defenders of the state. The state is our enemy. If this was against forum rules, this forum wouldn't exist.

Oh sorry mate. I didn't knew that we are currently in a revolutionary period.
I just think that the guys that ambushed that cop did it for the lulz and not to advance any revolutionary (or not) cause.
They did it because they hate cops. Actions like this one don't make the people raise on their feet. Quite the contrary.



Edit: Also, as far as "not winning us support", I don't know where you live, but ask anyone in my or most working class neighborhoods if they're gonna shed a tear over a concussed pig....

One day, there has been a big march when a cop was KIA where I live.
Different paradigm. We don't live in a similar area.


Originally Posted by Rafiq
Fuck off with your moralist chomskyan ngnm bullshit. "not acceptable"? By who? Fucking idiot.

I'm an idiot. :crying: :laugh:
"I" think it's not acceptable. You think it is. That's not a reason to call me a fucking idiot. Fuck off.


Just to say and clarify, I'm not a pig lover PERIOD. God damn. Just show me where I implicitly or explicitly said that I like cops.
Ban me, restrict me, i don't give a damn. I don't give a shit if you beat a cop in a demo, i will even help you.
This thread fucked me up.

[The Douche]

Even though there is no revolution going on right now, there is still a social war raging. The mere existence of the police is violence directed against workers and dispossessed people.

[Rafiq]

Even though there is no revolution going on right now, there is still a social war raging. The mere existence of the police is violence directed against workers and dispossessed people.

"no, be a nice little liberal until revolution magically happens. Until then, be a polite, respectful citizen"

[NewLeft]

Even though there is no revolution going on right now, there is still a social war raging. The mere existence of the police is violence directed against workers and dispossessed people.

Okay, so how does injuring a random cop do anything? How can we workers/dispossessed people reap the benefits of this injured cop? 1 less cop, 1 less victim of police brutality? :)


"no, be a nice little liberal until revolution magically happens. Until then, be a polite, respectful citizen"

:rolleyes: Yeah, I'll just keep reading the Chomsky.

[Le Rouge]

"no, be a nice little liberal until revolution magically happens. Until then, throw rocks at cops"

Fixed.

[Le Rouge]

Aren't we in the non-political section?

[bcbm]

\
I just think that the guys that ambushed that cop did it for the lulz and not to advance any revolutionary (or not) cause.

nobody said otherwise...


They did it because they hate cops. Actions like this one don't make the people raise on their feet. Quite the contrary.

nobody said they did...

[Le Rouge]

nobody said otherwise...



nobody said they did...

So, why is everybody here cheering them?

[The Douche]

Jesus christ, why does everybody on this website just assume that if somebody throws rocks at the cops they're doing it cause they're some uber-revolutionary?

These are probably just some cats who really hate the police trying to attack them.

Thats what happens in a war, the two sides attack each other.

[PhoenixAsh]

So, why is everybody here cheering them?

Ok...I'll tell you. But it is a secret. Come closer...I have to whisper this into your ear...

It is....

Because....

Get this....


COPS ARE OUR ENEMIES

http://ihatepeacocks.com/resources/police-kicking-and-beating-people.jpg

[Fawkes]

Yeah. It's also funny that Fawkes thinks that we're in a revolution today. Must've missed it. Damn bourgoeis media.

No, we're not in a revolutionary period, but we are in a war and have been for centuries.


You live in the USA, i don't.

The role the police play as defenders of the state is not something restricted to the U.S.



Why do you think it's okay to kill them?
So, you must be for the Death penality? Since you think that if someone kills a person, we should kill him too.
Because they kill us. The moment they put on that badge, they're a direct threat to us. The death penalty comparison is flawed. Violence against an active duty police officer is self-defense


Oh sorry mate. I didn't knew that we are currently in a revolutionary period.

We aren't.



I just think that the guys that ambushed that cop did it for the lulz and not to advance any revolutionary (or not) cause.
...okay


They did it because they hate cops.
Yeah, damn those cop-hating bastards.


One day, there has been a big march when a cop was KIA where I live.
Different paradigm. We don't live in a similar area.
Hence the "I don't know where you live"


Just show me where I implicitly or explicitly said that I like cops.
Somewhere around the time that you admonished acts of violence against them as not being "right"


I don't give a shit if you beat a cop in a demo, i will even help you.
A cop at a demo is no different from a cop on patrol

[black magick hustla]

i am racist against cops. also, everyone and their grandma hates cops. in fact in my experience, the more you read about politics the less you hate cops (occupy hippies or whatever who all probably read democracy now or some other shtity wingnut website), so it seems it is human nature to just hate assholes with badges and guns and only by domestication you learn to love them. in fact, i never considered "hating cops" posing because everyone does it. this is not about the revolution, this is a natural reaction. cop h8r 4 lyef

[Tim Cornelis]

While I do not particularly care if a police officer gets injured, the idea that we're in a "war" and therefore such ambushes are legitimate is quite unreasonable. Even in a war attacks, ambushes, have (or at least are supposed to have) some tactical value.

Just going around throwing rocks at police is nonsensical. I neither object to nor support randomly hurting cops--I am neutral--as on the one hand I hate cops, but on the other hand it has no tactical value (now, if someone were to sabotage border patrol cars that would worth cheering on).

Killing cops, however, is stupid unless there is an actual revolution in which you would need to kill cops. Which is unfortunate, and not something to celebrate or cheer on.

[The Douche]

While I do not particularly care if a police officer gets injured, the idea that we're in a "war" and therefore such ambushes are legitimate is quite unreasonable. Even in a war attacks, ambushes, have (or at least are supposed to have) some tactical value.

Just going around throwing rocks at police is nonsensical. I neither object to nor support randomly hurting cops--I am neutral--as on the one hand I hate cops, but on the other hand it has no tactical value (now, if someone were to sabotage border patrol cars that would worth cheering on).

Killing cops, however, is stupid unless there is an actual revolution in which you would need to kill cops. Which is unfortunate, and not something to celebrate or cheer on.

Lots of irrational acts happen in wars, and many, many attacks which have little to no chance of success or tactical value happen in the early stages of wars/insurgencies because the weaker side is just starting to form its teeth.

[mykittyhasaboner]

While I do not particularly care if a police officer gets injured, the idea that we're in a "war" and therefore such ambushes are legitimate is quite unreasonable. Even in a war attacks, ambushes, have (or at least are supposed to have) some tactical value.

The tactical value of this, was that they pelted a cop with stones. That's pretty valuable in my opinion.


Just going around throwing rocks at police is nonsensical. I neither object to nor support randomly hurting cops--I am neutral--as on the one hand I hate cops, but on the other hand it has no tactical value (now, if someone were to sabotage border patrol cars that would worth cheering on).
We should cheer it on because fuck the pigs. Why can't they be attacked from time to time? Since you know they kill and arrest people all the time.



Killing cops, however, is stupid unless there is an actual revolution in which you would need to kill cops. Which is unfortunate, and not something to celebrate or cheer on.Killing cops is fair game. They kill us. We kill them.

These people did a good job. Throwing rocks at pigs must be great fun.

[gorillafuck]

fuck cops and I don't care about cops getting rocks thrown at them. but also fuck this unhealthy fixation on supporting their deaths, I mean really that's just the out for blood mentality that causes more problems for everyone.

[The Douche]

I support the negation of the police as a force in society by whatever means it can be accomplished, up to and including their deaths, though that would be a pretty ineffective way to accomplish it.

[Susurrus]

How the fuck was that a "trap?!?!" Was the sole purpose of the roadblock to lure cops out of their cars??? Damn reactionary media...

[Tim Cornelis]

This whole dogmatic black-and-white thinking is scary as fuck.

[gorillafuck]

soldiers are basically the same as police except for being actually much more notorious for violence and brutality, funny how so many on this site have a much different attitude towards them.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

How the fuck was that a "trap?!?!" Was the sole purpose of the roadblock to lure cops out of their cars??? Damn reactionary media...
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but I'd say it was a "trap". Or do you think some random concrete blocks just happened to fall into the middle of the street and people on the overpass just happened to be walking by as they saw the police get out of his car and started pelting him with rocks?

[GoddessCleoLover]

I just assumed he was in fact being sarcastic.

[The Douche]

soldiers are basically the same as police except for being actually much more notorious for violence and brutality, funny how so many on this site have a much different attitude towards them.

My position is totally coherent, what's more clean cut than saying I support the defeat of imperialist troops, including their deaths, when i was an imperialist soldier in iraq?

[gorillafuck]

My position is totally coherent, what's more clean cut than saying I support the defeat of imperialist troops, including their deaths, when i was an imperialist soldier in iraq?That statement was not specifically directed at you (though it could have been, I didn't actually know your views on that). your stance is consistent.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Don't we prefer to rally soldiers to the banner of revolution rather than call for their deaths? The Vietnam war radicalized quite a few soldiers, witness Winter Soldier and VVAW. Harkening back to the classic example of the Great War, revolutionary leaders such as Lenin, Luxemburg, and Liebknecht sought to convince soldiers fighting for the imperialist armies to turn their weapons on their masters and become soldiers for hte Revolution.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Don't we prefer to rally soldiers to the banner of revolution rather than call for their deaths? The Vietnam war radicalized quite a few soldiers, witness Winter Soldier and VVAW. Harkening back to the classic example of the Great War, revolutionary leaders such as Lenin, Luxemburg, and Liebknecht sought to convince soldiers fighting for the imperialist armies to turn their weapons on their masters and become soldiers for hte Revolution. I don't see anyone here who wants cmoney dead.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I don't see anyone here who wants cmoney dead.
Yeah totally
http://209.85.12.227/554/120/emo/ShiftyEyes.gif

I kid, I kid, don't give me the banhammer Almighty cmoney

[Le Rouge]

Le Rouge...why the hell do you even have the anarchist flag in your avatar??

I love stars with lots of red and black.

[Fawkes]

fuck cops and I don't care about cops getting rocks thrown at them. but also fuck this unhealthy fixation on supporting their deaths, I mean really that's just the out for blood mentality that causes more problems for everyone.

I don't think I have an out for blood mentality. I've never killed a cop nor do I have any particular plans to. Also, I don't think that violence against police is in and of itself a revolutionary act.

What I am opposed to is people denigrating violence against cops as being somehow "inhuman" or "wrong". A woman killing a rapist isn't revolutionary, but hell yeah I'm gonna back them to the fullest for acting out in self-defense. It's the same with cops.

[The Douche]

Don't we prefer to rally soldiers to the banner of revolution rather than call for their deaths? The Vietnam war radicalized quite a few soldiers, witness Winter Soldier and VVAW. Harkening back to the classic example of the Great War, revolutionary leaders such as Lenin, Luxemburg, and Liebknecht sought to convince soldiers fighting for the imperialist armies to turn their weapons on their masters and become soldiers for hte Revolution.

I don't think that "bringing soldiers over to our side" needs to be one of our goals as communists. I think that abolishing the societal role of soldier should be, though, and I think that we should use any and all means which will help us accomplish that goal.

[Caj]

I don't see how dropping rocks on the heads of cops for no other reason than the "fun" of it is either productive or justified. It serves no purpose and frankly just seems sadistic.

[The Douche]

I don't see how dropping rocks on the heads of cops for no other reason than the "fun" of it is either productive or justified. It serves no purpose and frankly just seems sadistic.

Jesus fucking Christ!!:cursing:

Again with this shit, over and over and over and over again.

You're viewing this event through the lens of a leftist, stop.

You're assuming these people have the same desires or goals, or outlooks you do.




There is nothing to indicate that this event happened for any reason other than the fact that the police are an occupying army in the neighborhoods of the poor, and so they will on occasion be subject to attack, it doesn't mean we (as in those of us on this website) think if enough rocks are thrown at enough cops communism will happen, and it doesn't mean that the people who throw the rocks give two shits about me, you, communism, or anything else that matters to anybody else.

[Искра]

They said everything:

KNaf_m_n-wA

[Leftsolidarity]

Don't we prefer to rally soldiers to the banner of revolution rather than call for their deaths? The Vietnam war radicalized quite a few soldiers, witness Winter Soldier and VVAW. Harkening back to the classic example of the Great War, revolutionary leaders such as Lenin, Luxemburg, and Liebknecht sought to convince soldiers fighting for the imperialist armies to turn their weapons on their masters and become soldiers for hte Revolution.

We should stand with soldiers as members of the working class but make no illusions about their role in society. When they are fulfilling an imperialist role, we should stand against them, even if that involves their death.

[workersadvocate]

We should stand with soldiers as members of the working class but make no illusions about their role in society. When they are fulfilling an imperialist role, we should stand against them, even if that involves their death.

Former imperialist soldier here also, and I approve the qouted statement above as well as what cmoney expressed above.

[pax et aequalitas]

While my personal opinion is not necessarily opposed to this use of violence I do not think somebody should get an infraction or something for disagreeing. I myself used to be a pacifist, before I realized pacifism just doesn't work and violence is necessary.

I believe that opposing randomly attacking policemen does not mean you shouldn't be allowed on this site. The people here range from anarchists to stalinists so I don't see why we can't range from pacifists to people who'd love to see everything burn. You don't have to agree with everyone here, because we are here to discuss. It'd be rather boring in fact.

[The Douche]

Nobody has received any administrative action from this thread.

There is a difference between disagreeing with attacks on the police, and actually defending the police.

[Caj]

There is nothing to indicate that this event happened for any reason other than the fact that the police are an occupying army in the neighborhoods of the poor

Although this is entirely possible, there is nothing that clearly indicates this either. For all we know, it might have just been a group of sadists thinking they might get a kick out of dropping rocks on someone from an overpass, in which case, there is no reason for applause.

[The Douche]

Although this is entirely possible, there is nothing that clearly indicates this either. For all we know, it might have just been a group of sadists thinking they might get a kick out of dropping rocks on someone from an overpass, in which case, there is no reason for applause.

I still think its good that cops have to question their safety. They shouldn't be able to operate unmolested.

[Susurrus]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but I'd say it was a "trap". Or do you think some random concrete blocks just happened to fall into the middle of the street and people on the overpass just happened to be walking by as they saw the police get out of his car and started pelting him with rocks?

I'd say some people made a roadblock, then a cop tries to get rid of them and they fight back. How is that a trap?

[blake 3:17]

Could this please be closed?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I'd say some people made a roadblock, then a cop tries to get rid of them and they fight back. How is that a trap?
You put shit in the middle of the road knowing that will bring the cops and lie in wait above them to ambush them when they appear. How is it not a trap?

Why would someone make a roadblock, why would they sit there and wait for somebody to try and remove said roadblock and "defend it" by throwing rocks at whoever tried removing it and then run off?

[blake 3:17]

Please close.

[bcbm]

no

[Leftsolidarity]

Please close.

Unfollow the thread. There. Done.

[PhoenixAsh]

Don't we prefer to rally soldiers to the banner of revolution rather than call for their deaths? The Vietnam war radicalized quite a few soldiers, witness Winter Soldier and VVAW. Harkening back to the classic example of the Great War, revolutionary leaders such as Lenin, Luxemburg, and Liebknecht sought to convince soldiers fighting for the imperialist armies to turn their weapons on their masters and become soldiers for hte Revolution.

you do realise those were conscript armies? Most armies today are professionalised. Meaning they rely on volunteers. Which is a whole different group and has a whole different mentality.

These people chose consciously to join the army. They are not there because they are forced by law but because they wanted to be there.

[Rusty Shackleford]

how can you all be so bloodthirsty!? this is just sickening. the poor guy was just doing his job and then some vandals throw rocks on him! you all should be ashamed.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Some American soldiers are careerists who choose the profession of arms, but others are teenagers from economically depressed social backgrounds looking for a way out of their situation and are seduced by the military's lies about learning valuable skills. The former are likely to remain our class enemy, but the latter might be persuaded to join our side.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

how can you all be so bloodthirsty!?
Our bloodthirst is unquenchable.

[the last donut of the night]

when i first saw the thread i thought some asshole megadeth fans had harmed a cute pig

[Ele'ill]

how can you all be so bloodthirsty!? this is just sickening. the poor guy was just doing his job and then some vandals throw rocks on him! you all should be ashamed.

These rock throwers were just doing their job..

[Lanky Wanker]

Still laughing at RedAnarchist's post. :D

On the serious side though, it does seem a bit primitive of us to gain pleasure from someone else's suffering, even if that person is a complete shithead. Disclaimer: I am not defending pigs bla bla bla please don't give me an infraction, I'd love to throw rocks at them when the time calls for it and it actually serves a purpose. Kinda funny how most forums would give you an infraction/warning for talk of attacking feds, yet we wanna do the opposite lol.

[bcbm]

the struggle continues! (http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_20002741/vandals-launch-large-rocks-at-houses-livermore-early)

[Ele'ill]

A picture from the home surveillance system from one of the vandalized houses was included in the release, showed..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Trebuchet_Castelnaud.jpg/350px-Trebuchet_Castelnaud.jpg

[bcbm]

first trebuchet then guillotine



firefox says 'trebuchet' is an incorrect spelling and offers 'bucharest' as an alternative lol

[Ele'ill]

bring up the wolf's head


http://images.wikia.com/lotr/de/images/0/02/Grond.png

[bcbm]

thats gonna give me nightmares

jk its gonna give the man nightmares