Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen

[Nox]

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[heyjoe]

exemplary parenting skills

[Q]

That was...

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:cool:

[Q]

And there, since I'm on a memeroll today...

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[ВАЛТЕР]

The daughter was being a douche. Maybe she will think twice about the way she behaves now. I hope she learns a lesson from all of this, disrespecting her family in such a way.

Although I think shooting the laptop was a bit dramatic.

[Le Libérer]

Though I kind of enjoyed the shoot em up dramatics, he should have given the laptop to a kid less fortunate who would have appreciated it.

[praxis1966]

Though I kind of enjoyed the shoot em up dramatics, he should have given the laptop to a kid less fortunate who would have appreciated it.

We don't have rep in Chat so I had to quote this just to say, "Word."

[NoOneIsIllegal]

I hope he films her response to the video and the laptop.

[Rafiq]

She was a scum, but if you expect me to root on the bourgeois family structure, you are to be dissapointed.

[Bronco]

The dad's an asshole

[Susurrus]

She deserved it, and it was epic. I'm hoping that, as an IT guy, he was smart enough to remove all the parts and donate them somewhere.

[Rafiq]

She deserved it, and it was epic. I'm hoping that, as an IT guy, he was smart enough to remove all the parts and donate them somewhere.

Children cannot be criticized in such a way. It's foolish.

Perhaps that pig of a dad should be blamed for being a shit parent?

I mean, do you even know how much that girl is going to be bullied now in school? That fuckhead ruined her life.

[Susurrus]

Children cannot be criticized in such a way. It's foolish.

Perhaps that pig of a dad should be blamed for being a shit parent?

I mean, do you even know how much that girl is going to be bullied now in school? That fuckhead ruined her life.

a. While for a first offense, this would undoubtedly be way too much, it is stated that she has done this before. So obviously the first time didn't work. This probably won't change the way she thinks either, but at least the message is hammered home.
b. I don't think that sort of person one is can be determined solely by parenting. So, although he probably made mistakes, he cannot be blamed alone. Great people have come from shit parents.
c. I really doubt she'll be bullied for this. If anything, she'll probably find sympathy from her fellow students, and she seems like the popular type to begin with.

[Nox]

You know, the first time I watched this I thought the dad was a total asshole.

But after reading his facebook posts, and watching the video a few more times, he seems like a nice guy, allbeit a little harsh for shooting the laptop.

[Bronco]

I'm surprised leftists would support the father, from what I've seen he's typically been getting support from social Conservatives who go on about strict parenting and how kids have it too easy these days etc. etc.

Most teenagers get annoyed at their parents now and again, and yeah she sounds like a bit of a brat but public humiliation is only going to make her resent him more. He's stupidly hypocritical as well, "you have all these nice things, you don't understand the value of money, I'll show you by putting a bullet in your laptop" :rolleyes:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

She was probably being selfish, maybe even "a brat" (welcome to being a western teenager), but the father took it out of hand. At first, I thought it was hilarious that this thing went viral, but she's going to get shit for it for the next 3-4 years of high school.

A lot of kids these days do get it pretty easy. I'm better off compared to a lot of other kids in other parts of the world, where they have to work dreaded factory jobs at 12-13. However, when I was growing up and I heard from my friends how many chores around the house they did, or how they were punished or grounded when they were in trouble, I was astounded. I wasn't let off the hook as easily. I had to actually do plenty of chores! Lots of physical stuff outside, along with house-chores... not simply odd-jobs that took 2-5 minutes each.

Everyone was in the wrong here. The kid overreacted to petty chores, and the father, while trying to teach a lesson, definitely could of gone another way about this.
He thinks he had good intentions, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say his emotions got to him, and that he was raised in a rather "traditional" household...

[Blackburn]

I'm surprised leftists would support the father, from what I've seen he's typically been getting support from social Conservatives who go on about strict parenting and how kids have it too easy these days etc. etc.

Most teenagers get annoyed at their parents now and again, and yeah she sounds like a bit of a brat but public humiliation is only going to make her resent him more. He's stupidly hypocritical as well, "you have all these nice things, you don't understand the value of money, I'll show you by putting a bullet in your laptop" :rolleyes:

I'm not surprised. I've long suspected that some of the hard core Rev-Leftists are unawakened reactionaries, aand are a few internet arguments away from being the 'biggest leftist', to then converting the right and voting Ron Paul. I mainly observe similar traits from how people revel in the idea of violence here.

This father is an abusive regressive reactionary and has taught the daughter nothing worthwhile, save 'she can't mess with THE MAN'.

The people cheering this on seem to be having a cathartic F_U emotional release against what they perceive as flaws in the younger generation.

No body has been able to look more deeply into the daughter's side, because this Father is the only one with the stage at the moment. No right of reply from the daughter.

Because after all, no Conservative is ever an abusive parent right????

[manic expression]

Way before I saw this, I've often wondered why more people don't realize that facebook isn't their personal diary. I guess it sucks because that age is very confusing and difficult, it's easy to be angry at anyone and anything...back when I was that young and I said something disrespectful toward my parents it never traveled outside the house and I had a chance to calm down and apologize face-to-face, but kids grow up with facebook and they think it's just like having a conversation with a friend but the whole world can see it.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in that video you can basically see how American society has changed over the past 10-15 years, and how the tools with which to communicate become ever greater while the capacity to understand one another lessens each year. Relationships themselves can become digitized and impersonal. The irony, of course, is that the result is up on youtube with near 20 million views.


Because after all, no Conservative is ever an abusive parent right????
Not that I agree with what he did, but just out of curiosity how do you know he's a capital C "Conservative"? Would it make much of a difference if a leftist father did the same thing?

[Blackburn]

Not that I agree with what he did, but just out of curiosity how do you know he's a capital C "Conservative"? Would it make much of a difference if a leftist father did the same thing?

I'm thinking clues to him being a violent reactionary would be in this public facebook post from 2008.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/tommy-jordan/why-i-could-never-be-president/36374436382



Why I could never be president?
by Tommy Jordan on Friday, 26 September 2008 at 00:03 ·

The current price of wheat for export would cost $97.00 per barrel and would be shipped in 60 gallon barrels.

That cost of the above item would be double for countries who screw us on oil.

Banks who make bad loans would be closed, like every other business and executives would be fined for screwing over the American public knowingly.



If you can’t read out loud the immigration paperwork, in our native language, then you can’t stay. Get back on the boat, raft, dinghy, or floating tire you came here on.

Any government entity (read as president) who promised a 1.5 billion dollar war that ends up costing 12.5 billion per month would be shot for treason and publicly hanged in front of the Supreme Court. If you can’t do basic math, you cant’ be in the White House.

Any senator/congressman/postal worker, or whomever who is no longer a high-paid government employee can pay taxes and social security like the rest of us. He wouldn’t get rewarded for money-grubbing and ass-kissing by a tax-free retirement for the rest of his life. If we vote you out, you obviously suck and therefore we shouldn’t have to pay for you.

Afghanistan would be a place where Afghans are made. It’s very convenient and wouldn’t even require changing the names on maps. It would provide them with a great national product and they would be able to export it to all the countries who need blankets.

The WHO and other American funded aid agencies would be mandated to purchase their blankets from Afghanistan. I’m all about helping other countries prosper.

North Korea would be the world’s largest Wal-Mart, not a country.

PETA wouldn’t exist.

Horses would be perfectly acceptable to use as a meat product as long as countries wanted to buy it by the pound!

Anyone who suggest human milk for ice cream would be summarily shot.

Convicts sentenced to death would live exactly as long as it took for a trained shooter to reload his 45 handgun and would cost the US tax payer approximately .50 cents each.

Nuclear disarmament would be simple: You throw away yours or we throw ours at you until you supply. We have way more than you do, so don’t be stupid. We will happily throw away ours as soon as every other country on the planet empties their pockets for UN Inspectors.

Failure to allow a UN inspector into a premises would be immediate grounds for global warfare, with you as the red blinking dot..

The term “inhumane” would no longer be applied to animals. They exist to feed us. They aren’t HUMAN, so we don’t have to be HUMANe.

[manic expression]

Well, you were definitely right about that.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

The daughter is a bit of a *****, the father is a nutjob. Totally dysfunctional family.

[Bronco]

I'm not surprised. I've long suspected that some of the hard core Rev-Leftists are unawakened reactionaries, aand are a few internet arguments away from being the 'biggest leftist', to then converting the right and voting Ron Paul. I mainly observe similar traits from how people revel in the idea of violence here.

This father is an abusive regressive reactionary and has taught the daughter nothing worthwhile, save 'she can't mess with THE MAN'.

The people cheering this on seem to be having a cathartic F_U emotional release against what they perceive as flaws in the younger generation.

No body has been able to look more deeply into the daughter's side, because this Father is the only one with the stage at the moment. No right of reply from the daughter.

Because after all, no Conservative is ever an abusive parent right????

Yep, that's true, all we get is the point of view from the fathers perspective, who is obviously going to downplay his daughter's grievances and make them out to be merely the petty moaning of a spoilt girl deserving of contempt.

[gorillafuck]

Relationships themselves can become digitized and impersonal.agreed.

facebook is a whole new level being added to the already complicated and confusing world of social life as a pre-teen, teen, and young adult.

and don't get me started on all this social technology shit on romantic relationships. fucking constant contact via text, needing to know when you're texting too much or too little, "facebook official", oh my god. and that's just for romantic relationships.

[Susurrus]

agreed.

facebook is a whole new level being added to the already complicated and confusing world of social life as a pre-teen, teen, and young adult. it's a very bad thing.

In some ways. In others, no. For instance, I go to a school an hour away from where I live. Were it not for facebook, I would have no means to communicate with people an hour away from me. My only friends are the ones I met at that school, and got to know better over facebook. Without facebook, I would have no friends, real or virtual.

[gorillafuck]

I think the world would be much better if we all agreed to not contact eachother in ways aside from face to face speaking, telephone calls, and snail mail for the important official stuff. there is so obviously an impersonal, depressing, technologically oriented dystopian future from the world that we're creating and nobody fucking can tell.

[gorillafuck]

In some ways. In others, no. For instance, I go to a school an hour away from where I live. Were it not for facebook, I would have no means to communicate with people an hour away from me. My only friends are the ones I met at that school, and got to know better over facebook. Without facebook, I would have no friends, real or virtual.if it weren't for social networking, you would be able to call them and not have it be considered an awkward thing to do. you go to school with them, you talk face to face. if people hadn't been convinced that it's weird to call people just to tell them about shit by the bizarre social rules that have been created by the existence of social networking then you could have a social life based off of face to face contact and actual speaking.

[Bronco]

Facebook has it's uses, at Uni I'm 4 hours away from all my friends back home, with Facebook we can all talk to each other conveniently. If I were to phone them it would cost me loads of money, I would be restricted to one on one conversations, plus I just find phone conversations quite awkward anyway and I don't think that's because of social networking.

[Susurrus]

if it weren't for social networking, you would be able to call them and not have it be considered an awkward thing to do. you go to school with them, you talk face to face. if people hadn't been convinced that it's weird to call people just to tell them about shit by the bizarre social rules that have been created by the existence of social networking then you could have a social life based off of face to face contact and actual speaking.

Well, I do talk to them at school, and I don't really see too much difference between talking to someone on the phone and messaging them on facebook. Indeed, facebook could probably be considered superior in terms of communication by medium, due to its ability to convey pictures and whatnot. I see it as just another evolution of technology. As time passes, people will probably start wishing for the good old days when people used facebook instead of whatever the medium then is.

[Nox]

Or you could be just like me and have no friends lol

[workersadvocate]

Who has the dominant oppressive power in this relationship? Father or daughter?
Was the girl not correct in expressing that minor dependants are essentially the "damn slave" of their parents or guardians?
In that context, who brought a FIREARM into the conflict to enforce traditional oppressive roles and repress dissent?

Whatever criticisms one might have of the girl, supporting the master over the slave is out of the question for genuine communists.

What would have happened to the girl if she brought out a FIREARM and shot up some "private property" of her parents to protest their policies over her life? You know that she would be likely beaten and/or jailed for criminal offenses. People wouldn't be saying she was a brat...they'd say she was a violent teen terrorizing her parents and destroying private property, and everyone else would look the other way while she faced familial and societal conquences for such insubordination.
Silent or even supportive active consent to the enslavement, terrorizing, disenfranchisement and dehumanization of minors is outrageous to me. This is family values? This is freedom? This is pro-life? This is protecting children?
No, this needs to be overthrown and abolished along with the rest of exploitative and oppressive society.

[gorillafuck]

whatever. the goods of facebook are far outweighed by the bads imo.

[Nox]

whatever. the goods of facebook are far outweighed by the bads imo.

Farmville is definitely one of the "goods"

[ВАЛТЕР]

The ONLY reason I have a Facebook at this point is to keep in touch with all of my friends in the US, and my friends in Serbia when I am in the US.

I Have been itching for a reason to get rid of it. However, I can't just lose touch with some of my best friends.

[Rafiq]

a. While for a first offense, this would undoubtedly be way too much, it is stated that she has done this before. So obviously the first time didn't work. This probably won't change the way she thinks either, but at least the message is hammered home.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Nothing was "Hammered home". She was just publicly humiliated in front of the whole world.


b. I don't think that sort of person one is can be determined solely by parenting. So, although he probably made mistakes, he cannot be blamed alone.

If we could isolate her behavioral issues that don't come from parenting, that also means that as a parent, he has no right to use his parenting to strike down upon them. Of course, it's foolish to assume a teenager isn't fucked up in some way because of their parents, or their enviroment.

Take for example, if we could blame the school she's in. Instead of being captain jackass, perhaps, contacting the school, etc. Would help?


Great people have come from shit parents.


Again, in lucky circumstances. I've seen a triple rainbow before. That doesn't mean it's a common occurance that should be analysed and taken as a representation of the appearance of rainbows.

I don't think Shit people have come from non-shit parents, most of the time. If they don't, they're usually psychologically impaired.


c. I really doubt she'll be bullied for this. If anything, she'll probably find sympathy from her fellow students, and she seems like the popular type to begin with.


Again, this is very unlikely. She isn't going to find sympathy with anyone except maybe her close ring of friends (if they exist, still).

[The Douche]

No such thing as "exploding hollow point boolits", jackass.

[ColonelCossack]

I'm thinking clues to him being a violent reactionary would be in this public facebook post from 2008.


Why I could never be president?
by Tommy Jordan on Friday, 26 September 2008 at 00:03 ·

The current price of wheat for export would cost $97.00 per barrel and would be shipped in 60 gallon barrels.

That cost of the above item would be double for countries who screw us on oil.

Banks who make bad loans would be closed, like every other business and executives would be fined for screwing over the American public knowingly.



If you can’t read out loud the immigration paperwork, in our native language, then you can’t stay. Get back on the boat, raft, dinghy, or floating tire you came here on.

Any government entity (read as president) who promised a 1.5 billion dollar war that ends up costing 12.5 billion per month would be shot for treason and publicly hanged in front of the Supreme Court. If you can’t do basic math, you cant’ be in the White House.

Any senator/congressman/postal worker, or whomever who is no longer a high-paid government employee can pay taxes and social security like the rest of us. He wouldn’t get rewarded for money-grubbing and ass-kissing by a tax-free retirement for the rest of his life. If we vote you out, you obviously suck and therefore we shouldn’t have to pay for you.

Afghanistan would be a place where Afghans are made. It’s very convenient and wouldn’t even require changing the names on maps. It would provide them with a great national product and they would be able to export it to all the countries who need blankets.

The WHO and other American funded aid agencies would be mandated to purchase their blankets from Afghanistan. I’m all about helping other countries prosper.

North Korea would be the world’s largest Wal-Mart, not a country.

PETA wouldn’t exist.

Horses would be perfectly acceptable to use as a meat product as long as countries wanted to buy it by the pound!

Anyone who suggest human milk for ice cream would be summarily shot.

Convicts sentenced to death would live exactly as long as it took for a trained shooter to reload his 45 handgun and would cost the US tax payer approximately .50 cents each.

Nuclear disarmament would be simple: You throw away yours or we throw ours at you until you supply. We have way more than you do, so don’t be stupid. We will happily throw away ours as soon as every other country on the planet empties their pockets for UN Inspectors.

Failure to allow a UN inspector into a premises would be immediate grounds for global warfare, with you as the red blinking dot..

The term “inhumane” would no longer be applied to animals. They exist to feed us. They aren’t HUMAN, so we don’t have to be HUMANe.

Wow, he's a douchebag and a half.

[Nox]

Nuclear disarmament would be simple: You throw away yours or we throw ours at you until you supply. We have way more than you do, so don’t be stupid. We will happily throw away ours as soon as every other country on the planet empties their pockets for UN Inspectors.




Yeah right... :rolleyes:

[Blackburn]

Who has the dominant oppressive power in this relationship? Father or daughter?
Was the girl not correct in expressing that minor dependants are essentially the "damn slave" of their parents or guardians?
In that context, who brought a FIREARM into the conflict to enforce traditional oppressive roles and repress dissent?

Whatever criticisms one might have of the girl, supporting the master over the slave is out of the question for genuine communists.

What would have happened to the girl if she brought out a FIREARM and shot up some "private property" of her parents to protest their policies over her life? You know that she would be likely beaten and/or jailed for criminal offenses. People wouldn't be saying she was a brat...they'd say she was a violent teen terrorizing her parents and destroying private property, and everyone else would look the other way while she faced familial and societal conquences for such insubordination.
Silent or even supportive active consent to the enslavement, terrorizing, disenfranchisement and dehumanization of minors is outrageous to me. This is family values? This is freedom? This is pro-life? This is protecting children?
No, this needs to be overthrown and abolished along with the rest of exploitative and oppressive society.

This is the best assessment I have seen of the situation :)

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

In this thread the majority endorses action of person who should have children taken away. Nothing like making children do chores around the home. Why not make them work, too, pull a little Newt. Ah, lovely, the family, what an institution, how we adore it, and depend on it, to set things right, nothing like a psychotic father trying to make sure his children are obedient, right?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[Lanky Wanker]

He has a reason to be pissed off, though I think it was a bit immature shooting the damn thing. I'm glad I saw this, as it made me think about how lazy I am around the house (I don't complain about having to do small jobs when I'm told to though). The daughter is obviously in the mindset that she's the victim here, so pwning her like that will just make her feel even more victimised and/or less likely to admit she's lazy I think.