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KrasnayaRossiya
10th February 2012, 02:41
Good day comrades.
I am a communist from Russia,Moscow Oblast.
I am a supporter of KPRF,we are working hard to win these presidential elections in March.
Ask me anything.

Krano
10th February 2012, 03:25
Welcome Comrade i support Zyuganov as well and hope he finally defeats that election cheating wannabe Tsar Putin, but i have to ask about hes idea of Re-Stalinisation of Russia
which to me seems like a horrible idea do you support this idea?

KrasnayaRossiya
10th February 2012, 03:35
Comrade the "re-stalinization" will be Russia's salvation.
:)

KrasnayaRossiya
10th February 2012, 03:36
Why do you think it's a horrible idea?

Krano
10th February 2012, 12:58
Why do you think it's a horrible idea?
Well depending on what you mean with Stalinism hes economic policies or gulags and secret police :(

Nox
10th February 2012, 13:13
Russia has a pretty crap range of parties to choose from, but I guess I support KPRF (miles better than Edinaya PROTIV Rossiya or LDPR)

Welcome

ВАЛТЕР
10th February 2012, 13:14
Hello comrade! Welcome to the forums!

Искра
10th February 2012, 14:25
Russia has a pretty crap range of parties to choose from, but I guess I support KPRF (miles better than Edinaya PROTIV Rossiya or LDPR)

Anarchism - it makes me cry every day.

Sasha
10th February 2012, 14:30
Anarchism - it makes me cry every day.

Do not, i repeat, DO NOT, equal Nox with anarchism, that's like making some 14 year old black-metal kid in corpspaint a posterboy for atheism.

Tim Cornelis
10th February 2012, 14:31
Anarchism - it makes me cry every day.

You are, once more, conflating "anarchism" with its adherents.

Tim Cornelis
10th February 2012, 14:31
The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is eerily close to fascism, just sayin'.

thriller
10th February 2012, 14:33
Greetings comrade! While I don't love Stalin, Pushkin I am a fan of.

Искра
10th February 2012, 14:33
Do not, i repeat, DO NOT, equal Nox with anarchism, that's like making some 14 year old black-metal kid in corpspaint a posterboy for atheism.
LOL... I'm just making a joke. I don't equal him to anarchism... please, Goti don't be such a crybaby

Le Rouge
10th February 2012, 15:03
Good day comrades.
I am a communist from Russia,Moscow Oblast.
I am a supporter of KPRF,we are working hard to win these presidential elections in March.
Ask me anything.

I always wanted to know what russians think of communism. Does many people still support communism?

KrasnayaRossiya
10th February 2012, 15:47
Yes,many still do and it's not a surprise either.

Nox
10th February 2012, 15:56
Anarchism - it makes me cry every day.

Surely even you aren't stupid enough to not realise that I said all the parties are shit but the KPRF is the best option of all the shit parties...

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 11:10
Comrades have you got any more questions?

Omsk
11th February 2012, 15:28
What attracted you to the KPRF?

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 15:44
It's the strongest and best known party of course.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 15:51
I mean everyone knows the KPRF and they have a big presence especially in certain places....

PhoenixAsh
11th February 2012, 16:13
The KPRF is reformist as hell. It is a seriously nationalistic party allying itself with fascists, natbols and rightwing nationalists and allowing the ultra rich factory and corporation onwners seats in exchange for huge party donations.

..when a supposed communist party becomes endorsed by ultra nationalists then you are pretty damned sure that it isn't a revolutionary nor a leftwing party anymore.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 16:18
But you're wrong if you think that we're all like that.There are many factions inside the KPRF.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 16:20
I admit that the party had strayed away so to speak but we will recover.

Paul Cockshott
11th February 2012, 16:21
what social class do the Russian communists get support from?

PhoenixAsh
11th February 2012, 16:21
I know...and the factions which do not represent the ultra nationalist party line are currently only a very small minority within the KPRF.

I think it is hardly a communist party eventhough they still adhere nominally to Marxism-Leninism. In my opinion the KRPF is simply just another burgeoisie party.....and should in no way be supported by revolutionary leftist.

Remember: if your party officially acts like this....then RevLefters have no place in it....no matter of you belong to a faction that disagrees.

Arlekino
11th February 2012, 16:22
The KPRF is reformist as hell. It is a seriously nationalistic party allying itself with fascists, natbols and rightwing nationalists and allowing the ultra rich factory and corporation onwners seats in exchange for huge party donations.

..when a supposed communist party becomes endorsed by ultra nationalists then you are pretty damned sure that it isn't a revolutionary nor a leftwing party anymore.
Is any proof that Communist party of Russia are ultra nationalist?
I did not see any evidence.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 16:24
Look,what do you think,i have a choice?
I don't.KPRF is supported by a SIGNIFICANT part of the population,something American parties can only DREAM about.SO i think:it's better to try to bring it back to the right path than form little sects.That's how i think.
Splits are not good.

PhoenixAsh
11th February 2012, 19:52
Is any proof that Communist party of Russia are ultra nationalist?
I did not see any evidence.

Really?

The party was supported by the people's union and even endorsed by them.


The entire party program focusses in no small part on national restoration of the Russian motherland and practices what would be best designated as nationalist conservatism. The KPRF accepts and endorses nationalist oriented capitalist ventures and profits from donations from these corporations and bussinesses and advoctes a mixed economy aims at a multiparty parliamentary democracy.

PhoenixAsh
11th February 2012, 19:53
Look,what do you think,i have a choice?
I don't.KPRF is supported by a SIGNIFICANT part of the population,something American parties can only DREAM about.SO i think:it's better to try to bring it back to the right path than form little sects.That's how i think.
Splits are not good.


And exactly how long will this be taking? Because it has been going on for a few decades now and seems to be getting worse and worse.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 19:55
I don't know,we will see.i can't guarantee nothing,im not even a mid-rank member :/
some time it will take
we now have to fight against fascism which is on the rise

Omsk
11th February 2012, 20:21
What is the official party opinion on J.V Stalin.

(All i see is populist picture kissing)

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 20:24
the party has a good opinion of stalin altho it can be populist and even nationalist-oriented.

Omsk
11th February 2012, 20:31
Nobody needs such an opinion.I certainly hope they will stop using his figure just to attract people.

KrasnayaRossiya
11th February 2012, 20:33
comrade we cannot be puritans.
we even asked that stalin be canonized in the church,yes.!
that was too much of course,but you have to understand the people,they are despirate and need an icon....

PhoenixAsh
12th February 2012, 05:11
People do not need an icon. People need an ideology, awareness, class consciousnes.

Creating an icon like the KPRF is doing is creating just another religion and mythology. It doesn't matter if it is Jesus, Muhammed or Joseph Stalin. It is just another form of opium for the people. Replacing one elite with another instead of creating a workers state, creating communism.

The KPRF is hopelesly lost in reformism, reactionary sentiment and it will never, ever change. It has become embedded and totally dependent on the system....and forges alliances with ultra nationalists in order to remain up in the polls.

Drowzy_Shooter
12th February 2012, 05:35
Surely even you aren't stupid enough to not realise that I said all the parties are shit but the KPRF is the best option of all the shit parties...

Nox, how (as an anarchist) can you support a political party? Much less one like that!

Prometeo liberado
12th February 2012, 05:35
Welcome comrade! How do I get my online degree from the People's University in Moscow?!

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 14:12
How do I get my online degree from the People's University in Moscow?!
Do you have paypal?

NoOneIsIllegal
12th February 2012, 16:53
Forget bourgeois parties. Direct action!

There's CRAS (part of the IWA/AIT)
Konfederatsiya Revolyutsionnikh Anarkho-Sindikalisov, or in English: "Confederation of Revolutionary Anarcho-Syndicalists"

http://www.aitrus.info/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfederatsiya_Revolyutsionnikh_Anarkho-Sindikalistov

Misanthrope
12th February 2012, 16:55
Bourgeois politics :laugh:

Welcome though OP. :)

Bostana
12th February 2012, 16:57
Welcome Comrade!
It is good to see that there is still Communism in the Great Russia

Yehuda Stern
12th February 2012, 17:03
And the KPRF's overt anti-Semitism has done nothing to discourage you?

Bostana
12th February 2012, 17:24
Don't worry about Yehuda Stern.
(He's a Trotskyist)
;)

Igor
12th February 2012, 17:27
Don't worry about Yehuda Stern.
(He's a Trotskyist)
;)

Overt anti-Semitism is not something to be worried about if the concern is noted by a Trotskyist? cool

Bostana
12th February 2012, 17:28
Overt anti-Semitism is not something to be worried about if the concern is noted by a Trotskyist? cool

It's a joke
Learn to Laugh

Sasha
12th February 2012, 17:35
We don't tend to laugh about anti-semitism or any other sort of bigotry around here, I advise you to do the same if you want to remain welcome here...

Bostana
12th February 2012, 17:36
We don't tend to laugh about anti-semitism or any other sort of bigotry around here, I advise you to do the same if you want to remain welcome here...

Alright calm down. I didn't mean to offend anyone

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 17:37
And the KPRF's overt anti-Semitism has done nothing to discourage you? -
There's worse things than anitsemitism in KPRF
i mean what can i do?
am i supposed to teach people of 50-60-70 years old not to hate jews? after all the anti-racist education they got in the ussr?
there's all kinds of people in the party
anyway,antisemitism spreads easily when 90% of oligarchs are jewish

Omsk
12th February 2012, 17:40
Why are you in the KPRF when you disagree with so much of the their policies?

Buitraker
12th February 2012, 17:40
Hi comrade!

Sasha
12th February 2012, 17:41
90% of oligarchs are jewish

You better source that....

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 17:44
Why are you in the KPRF when you disagree with so much of the their policies?
they have a lot of members,good organization,money too...


You better source that....
i don't have a source for some exact %,but everyone knows this
look up wikipedia
maybe its not 90% today but its significant anyway

Dire Helix
12th February 2012, 17:51
Forget bourgeois parties. Direct action!

There's CRAS (part of the IWA/AIT)
Konfederatsiya Revolyutsionnikh Anarkho-Sindikalisov, or in English: "Confederation of Revolutionary Anarcho-Syndicalists"

Yeah, forget bourgeois parties. Join petty-bourgeois sects!

There`s nothing on their site in regards to socialist construction in Russia post-revolution. Just a bunch of meaningless crap about communes, autonomy and direct action. It`s also funny how a group of people that subscribes to anti-scientific theories have the nerve to call Marxism "Utopian".



anyway,antisemitism spreads easily when 90% of oligarchs are jewish

This is a completely unsubstantiated claim. Source, please. And preferably not from an ultra-nationalist site. "Everyone knows" won`t fly.

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 17:54
the top 3 of the richest for example are
you can find that even on wikiepdia

Dire Helix
12th February 2012, 17:59
the top 3 of the richest for example are
you can find that even on wikiepdia

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russians_by_net_worth

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 18:04
ok,i see.i was wronga bout the top 3,probably this is the newest "forbs" list...
but many "ordinary" people still think...

daft punk
12th February 2012, 18:11
Comrade the "re-stalinization" will be Russia's salvation.
:)

Stalin was an anti-socialist. If you want socialism/communism you need to get rid of the Stalinism bit. Trust me, I have researched this quite a bit. There is no way Stalin wanted socialism. He only collectivised because he had to. He got rid of all the socialists in the purges. After 1936 he tried to sabotage all revolutions, starting in Spain. He wanted Eastern Europe, China etc to be capitalist. The Eastern block was a failure to establish capitalism. He tried and failed. When he failed, Truman started the cold war. Everyone thinks that was about Russia trying to spread communism. The opposite is true.
Here in the west we have known all this since it all happened. In Russia obviously it was hushed up and the truth was leaked out slowly.

Susurrus
12th February 2012, 18:12
they have a lot of members,good organization,money too...

There was another psuedo-socialist party with overt anti-antisemitism and a lot of members, good organization, and money. It was founded in 1920 and dissolved in 1945, in Germany.

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 18:14
Hey daft punk,almost all russians hate trotsky,including those who don't like stalin lol
:laugh:
at least stalin did something,trocky just shit on us from mexico or whatever


There was another psuedo-socialist party with overt anti-antisemitism and a lot of members, good organization, and money. It was founded in 1920 and dissolved in 1945, in Germany. Yes so KPRF is nazi?!?!?!?
and no,nazis started as a gang of idiots and hooligans and street-thugs
yes so KP

daft punk
12th February 2012, 18:21
Hey daft punk,almost all russians hate trotsky,including those who don't like stalin lol


Tell me one specific reason why you dont like Trotsky.

by the way, the oligarchs are not Jews they are the people who were the Stalinist CP bureaucracy.

I have no idea how any communist can be overtly anti-semitic, I know Stalin did it, but not overtly, it was a way to get at Trotsky, to use racism against him.

When Lenin was alive, any Bolsheviks regiments involved in pogroms were immediately disbanded and most likely some got shot for it. Lenin made about 6 gramaphone recordings, and one was on anti-racism.

There was no place for anti-semitism in the Bolshevik Party. Many Jews joined. Hitler even described the Russian revolution (which was led by Trotsky) as a Jewish plot.

Krano
12th February 2012, 18:21
ok,i see.i was wronga bout the top 3,probably this is the newest "forbs" list...
but many "ordinary" people still think...
Combat Liberalism you can't just sit silently by if people really think like this, correct them educate them because if you don't things like anti-semitism will just spread and cause more harm. Remind them of what Lenin said, Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations.

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 18:22
trocky said we russians can't have socialism,it has to be international blabla
stalin said:FUCK you
and we built socialism and destroyed the germans



Combat Liberalism you can't just sit silently by if people really think like this, correct them educate them because if you don't things like anti-semitism will just spread and cause more harm. Remind them of what Lenin said, Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations.
yes i agree
but back then in 1917 most jews were VERY pro-red.now this changed a bit.lots of working jews escaped to israel and other countries.

daft punk
12th February 2012, 18:25
The KPRF is reformist as hell. It is a seriously nationalistic party allying itself with fascists, natbols and rightwing nationalists and allowing the ultra rich factory and corporation onwners seats in exchange for huge party donations.

..when a supposed communist party becomes endorsed by ultra nationalists then you are pretty damned sure that it isn't a revolutionary nor a leftwing party anymore.

Interesting post, doesn't surprise me.

Susurrus
12th February 2012, 18:28
r
and no,nazis started as a gang of idiots and hooligans and street-thugs
yes so KP

Actually no, more or less all of the Nazi party founders were middle class, and the early Nazi party focused very much on leftist nationalism, promoting the abolition of class division. Goebbels even promoted socialist liberation before nationalism to begin with. But that is not the point. The point is that one shouldn't support a party merely because it can get things done, for those things might backfire into tragedy, and anti-semitism is nothing to shrug off.

GoddessCleoLover
12th February 2012, 18:33
IMO the Russian workers built socialism and destroyed the Germans due to their capacity and courage as a class, not because Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov, Kaganovich et al were great leaders or theorists or whatever. I also believe that the Soviet peoples would have built socialism more effectively and destroyed the Germans even more quickly had they enjoyed the direct exercise of power through true Soviet power and had the CPSU (B) not outlawed internal party democracy in the early 1920s.

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 18:38
ok people i lied
i'm not really from the KPRF

i said this only to make people here accept me better,because everyone knows (has heard) of KPRF

my views are too "unconventional" for KPRF and its hard to explain my views.im not a marxist leninist,trotskist,nationalist or somethign else.

hope you will forgive me,i didn't want just jump in here like that i though if you think im from KPRF you will be more polite to me.
once again i apologize
ask me anything else if you want

daft punk
12th February 2012, 18:42
trocky said we russians can't have socialism,it has to be international blabla
stalin said:FUCK you
and we built socialism and destroyed the germans


This is simply not true. In 1924-8 Trotsky wanted to do exactly what Lenin advised - tax the rich, build industry, and subsidise cooperatives for poor peasants, to entice them in.

Stalin did the exact opposite of that.

Troysky wanted to save the revolution if possible, but yea, he said socialism had to be international, that is basic Marxism.

This is what Stalin said in early 1924:

"Can we succeed and secure the definitive victory of Socialism in one country without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? Most certainly not. The efforts of a single country are enough to overthrow the bourgeoisie: this is what the history of our revolution proves. But for the definite triumph of Socialism, the organisation of socialist production, the efforts of one country alone are not enough, particularly of an essentially rural country like Russia; the efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries are needed. So the victorious revolution in one country has for its essential task to develop and support the revolution in others. So it ought not to be considered as of independent value, but as an auxiliary, a means of hastening the victory of the proletariat in other countries.” (Stalin, Theory and Practice of Leninism, issued by the C.P.G.B., 1925). "
http://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/1946/02/aleksandrov.htm

Later he revised that basic Marxist position.

Stalin let the rich get richer at the expense of the poor, nothing was done to encourage the poor peasants into cooperatives as Lenin and Trotsky had advised. Trotsky warned against this policy saying that allowing the rich to get richer would lead to threat of bourgeois restoration.

Stalin kicked Trotsky etc out, but soon after that Trotsky's predictions came true. There was a big shortfall of grain made available to the state to purchase, the kulaks were holding it back. Stalin could either raise prices to demand they sold it at the low rates. he started to requisition, and they fought back, so he was compelled to start collectivising. He did it too late, too quickly, for the wrong reasons, and in a terrible way. This led to millions dying of hunger.

Stalin did not build socialism it was a dictatorship by an elite, the bureaucracy.

He did not defeat the Germans, well he did, but it was the German Stalinists policies which allowed the Nazis to take power in the first place. The KPD refused to form a united front with the social democrat workers, and at one time even had a brief alliance with the Nazis!

Trotsky wrote:

"The mistakes of the German Communist Party on the question of the plebiscite are among those which will become clearer as time passes, and will finally enter into the textbooks of revolutionary strategy as an example of what should not be done."
Leon Trotsky

Against National Communism!
(Lessons of the “Red Referendum”)

(August 1931)


http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1931/310825.htm

"Germany is now passing through one of those great historic hours upon which the fate of the German people, the fate of Europe, and in significant measure the fate of all humanity, will depend for decades."

"Worker-Communists, you are hundreds of thousands, millions; you cannot leave for anyplace; there are not enough passports for you. Should fascism come to power, it will ride over your skulls and spines like a terrific tank. Your salvation lies in merciless struggle. And only a fighting unity with the Social Democratic workers can bring victory. Make haste, worker-Communists, you have very little time left!"

Leon Trotsky

For a Workers’ United Front Against Fascism

(December 1931)



http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1931/311208.htm

Stalin somehow managed to interpret all this as Trotsky forming a secret pact with the Nazis!

And with this information, supplied by 'Trotskyists' (NKVD agents) he led a bloody counter-revolution.

Arlekino
12th February 2012, 18:43
I got issues about KPRF, why we so attacking I can't find any evidence they are nationalist or right wingers. The are some speculation about Zuganov. About Russian communist society I don't blame them when Soviet Union collapsed Russian are become poor and alienated specially working class and anger boiling probably they are turning harsh Stalinist regime.

GoddessCleoLover
12th February 2012, 18:45
My sympathies are with the Democratic Centralists (Group of Fifteen) who tried to maintain intraparty democracy within the RCP (b) and with the Workers Opposition led by Alexander Schliapnikov. Do Russian Marxists today consider the validity of the issues raised by these two factions?

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 18:47
hey we can open a new thead on KPRF
as i said,im not really a member of the KPRF nor am i associated with that party
i dont agree with them on issues

i just said so that people accept me better,i thought revleft was more like a pro-soviet/KPSS forum.;)

Susurrus
12th February 2012, 18:51
I got issues about KPRF, why we so attacking I can't find any evidence they are nationalist or right wingers. The are some speculation about Zuganov. About Russian communist society I don't blame them when Soviet Union collapsed Russian are become poor and alienated specially working class and anger boiling probably they are turning harsh Stalinist regime.


The CPRF remains the major and active left-wing patriotic party in the country...Today it enjoys the growing support of the thinking, honest and patriotic forces in our society, of educated and highly qualified people. We must live up to the faith they put in us.


The CPRF believes that its key task is to combine social-class and national-liberation struggle.
Gennady Zyuganov's speech at the 13th party congress.

Igor
12th February 2012, 18:52
hey we can open a new thead on KPRF
as i said,im not really a member of the KPRF nor am i associated with that party
i dont agree with them on issues

i just said so that people accept me better,i thought revleft was more like a pro-soviet/KPSS forum.;)

m. night twist?

Sasha
12th February 2012, 18:53
ok people i lied
i'm not really from the KPRF

i said this only to make people here accept me better,because everyone knows (has heard) of KPRF

my views are too "unconventional" for KPRF and its hard to explain my views.im not a marxist leninist,trotskist,nationalist or somethign else.

hope you will forgive me,i didn't want just jump in here like that i though if you think im from KPRF you will be more polite to me.
once again i apologize
ask me anything else if you want

And your not from Russia either, so combined that all with your more than casual anti-semitism I see no other option than to regard you a troll.

It was nice knowing you.

KrasnayaRossiya
12th February 2012, 18:54
Sursurus,now does this prove they nationalist?
do you even know what russian nationalists speak like?
their rhetorics is of hate....

Sasha
12th February 2012, 18:56
Whatever, banned...

Susurrus
12th February 2012, 18:58
Sursurus,now does this prove they nationalist?
do you even know what russian nationalists speak like?
their rhetorics is of hate....

It doesn't have to be hate to be nationalist. Compare that quote to this quote.


First socialist redemption, then comes national liberation like a whirlwind

Would you say they are similar?

EDIT: Oh banned? Never mind then. My point was going to be that this quote is from Goebbels.

GoddessCleoLover
12th February 2012, 19:02
I guess that Krasnaya Rossiya was a poseur? If so he deserved to be banned for abusing our trust.

Omsk
12th February 2012, 19:04
He seems to be "online" ??

Sasha
12th February 2012, 19:09
I guess that Krasnaya Rossiya was a poseur? If so he deserved to be banned for abusing our trust.

He was Croatian...

Susurrus
12th February 2012, 19:22
He was Croatian...

Good, let's get Kontra to go beat him up. :lol:

Yehuda Stern
12th February 2012, 19:33
Just to be clear: the KPRF is a notoriously anti-Semitic party, and I see no reason to make a joke of that. Communist Voice, a thoroughly anti-Trotskyist group, wrote a good and detailed article (http://www.communistvoice.org/20cRussia.html) on the question of the KPRF's anti-Semitism a few years ago. A taste of what's in the article:


The CPRF has always tolerated national chauvinism in general, and anti-Semitism in particular, in its ranks. But this reached new heights when CPRF Duma deputy General Albert Makashov declared in his October 1998 article "Usurers of Russia" that the "yid" had taken over Russia to "drink the blood of the indigenous peoples... of the state" and this was the reason for "usury, deceit, corruption and thievery" "flourishing in the country."... the CPRF, which is the dominant party in the Duma, resolutely opposed even a measure of censure against Makashov...

Zyuganov's essentially tried to justify Makashov's outburst... "there is not a single audience today -- I emphasize, not a single one -- that does not ask questions about the subject of the Jews. . . It is no secret that the personnel policy pursued by Yeltsin violated the principle of national representation in all our country's enforcement agencies, the economy, finances, and journalism. . . Today it is the Russian people themselves who feel encroached upon"... He goes on to say that the nationality of certain government members is linked to the justifiable feeling among Russians that they are being "encroached upon."

Omsk
12th February 2012, 19:37
Shouldn't this thread be closed by now?

hashem
12th February 2012, 19:44
Good day comrades.
I am a communist from Russia,Moscow Oblast.
I am a supporter of KPRF,we are working hard to win these presidential elections in March.
Ask me anything.

you are wasting your time. firstly, elections results are not determined by peoples votes in Russia. secondly, even if you win that wont change anything. revisionist party of Russia has betrayed workers and toilers for decades. they have supported counter revolutions in other countries as well. capitalism will remain with or without KPRF. thirdly, worker class can not gain political power through parliamentary elections. thats why true represetives of proletariat and toilers have supported a soviet system not a parliamentary system.

stop following revisionism of you are a true revolutionary of working class.

Prismane
15th February 2012, 08:48
Just to be clear: the KPRF is a notoriously anti-Semitic party, and I see no reason to make a joke of that. Communist Voice, a thoroughly anti-Trotskyist group, wrote a good and detailed on the question of the KPRF's anti-Semitism a few years ago. A taste of what's in the article:
I said this before in another thread: unless you are some kind of specialist on Russian politics that lives outside of Russia or a person living in the ex-USSR, please stop with these slanderous attacks against Communists based on superficial reporting from English-language media and dogmatic polemics from western "leftist" outfits.

To compare, I know nothing about Brazilian politics, but I'm not going to inject myself into discussions about the political positions of Brazil's political parties because I have no qualifications to do that. Yet, here you are slandering the Communists of Russia as anti-Semitic despite considerable evidence to the contrary.

If you just browse through the KPRF official web site (I can't post links), one can find the following:


Заявление Секретариата ЦК КПРФ
2005-02-17 23:56

Чтобы отвлечь общественное мнение от острейших социально-экономических проблем, в последнее время предприняты ряд провокаций, в том числе новые попытки обострить национальный вопрос. Вновь раздаются истеричные голоса о России как «антисемитской стране», «русском фашизме» и т.п., что совершенно не соответствует действительности.

Российские коммунисты всегда были последовательными патриотами и интернационалистами. В борьбе с фашизмом они были организующей и вдохновляющей силой нашего народа. 3 миллиона членов партии отдали свои жизни на фронтах Великой Отечественной (почти половина погибших в боевых действиях). Благодаря их беззаветному героизму и самопожертвованию освобождены от коричневой чумы народы Европы, а евреи избежали полного уничтожения.



КПРФ — партия дружбы народов. Коммунисты выступают за достойное развитие народов и языков, за межконфессиональное согласие. В нашей стране должно быть обеспечено справедливое представительство всех наций в управлении государством, СМИ, культурной, научной и хозяйственной жизни. Соблюден баланс интересов всех народов.


Нет никаких оснований для отождествления отдельных сионистов, раздувающих национальную рознь в интересах олигархического капитала, с честными тружениками еврейской национальности. Многие из евреев являются активными членами нашей партии. Совместно с русскими, татарами, украинцами, башкирами и представителями других народов, проживающих в Российской Федерации, они вели и ведут решительную борьбу с любыми проявлениями национализма и шовинизма, сионизма и антисемитизма.
Which translates to,

Statement of the Secretariat of the Central Committee of the Communist Party
17-2-2005

In order to divert public opinion from major social and economic problems, there has recently been a line of provocations, including new attempts to aggravate the national problem. Recently, there have been hysterical voices about Russia being an "anti-Semitic country", having "Russian fascism", etc, which absolutely doesn't correspond with reality.

Russian Communists have always been consistent patriots and internationalists. In the struggle against fascism, they were organizing and inspiring power among our people...Thanks to their selfless heroism and self-sacrifice, the peoples of Europe were liberated from the brown plague, and the Jews escaped complete annihilation.

The KPRF - a party of friendship of peoples. Communists support the development of praiseworthy peoples and languages, for religious harmony. Our country should have fair representation for all nations in government, media, cultural, scientific, and economic life. There should be a balance of interests for all peoples.

There should be no reason to identify those individual Zionists, who fan national discord in the interests of oligarchic capital, with honest working people of the Jewish nationality. Together with the RUssians, Tatars, Ukrainians, Bashkirs, and other peoples of the Russian Federation, they have been waging a determined struggle against all signs of nationalism and chauvinism, Zionism and anti-Semitism.