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RedRevolution/NK/Russ/...
9th February 2012, 19:21
After I made a lot of mistakes in my first attempt at an introduction I will start again:

Greeting's fellow Comrades.
I come here to join you in honour.

I live in the West Midlands Region near Birmingham always up for a political laugh around the streets. I am 50% English and 50% Scottish mostly my relations are from Scotland and I have no contact whatsoever with the English side so I class myself Scottish. I am proud to be and proud of where I come from always able to stand up for my political beliefs at high school whatever the consequences are after that. I give my tutors long, long lectures of what is to come and I advise them to join.

I want to support your cause and fight alongside fellow comrades if it comes to that scenario. I don't believe that there will be a World War Three concerning us or the NS for that matter because we all know if the NS came into control of the U.K, America and the rest of the world would nuke us of the face of the planet. Communism has a chance however. I just think to myself that the NS haven't got a chance in hell because it's basically 'extremism' and severe penalties with the law regards that. But there's 'extremism' with Communism also I know and I'd say in America they'd be more wary about Communism looking into the history of it.

Now the world has been peppered in politics. Looking back to soviet Russia; no longer. It's full of NS but our comrades stand sincere as leftists are still roaming the streets thankfully. The world is in a complete mess. To be fair I give North Korea a pat on the back.

But hey ho there is still hope for all of us and hope for fat people that are looking for an elephant to accommodate them.
^ sorry if I went off subject here ^

Apart from that I'm done here. Anything else you need to interrogate me about? then we can take it from here. I never really was a person for being racist. Just a brainwashed guy caught in-between 2 movements. Well I guess the corruption spreads eagerly.

If anyone wants to meet up to prove my identity and prove I'm not scum from the NS then please we can arrange that.
(Birmingham)

Thanks again comrades.
In comradeship, J.

Revolutionair
9th February 2012, 19:49
wtf? :confused:

Well... Welcome to our forum I guess.

RevLeft has many different ideologies, theorists and organizations. Some people are involved in the close rings of political parties, others, like me, are not affiliated with a single party at all, but I don't think anyone here identifies with Call of Duty soldiers.

Enjoy your stay. If you have any questions regarding theory, go to the learning forum. I'm sure they'll advice you to read these:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

Kotze
9th February 2012, 21:26
He said he hangs out on ultra-rightwing sites, or used to, and that he wants to know what our goals are before committing to a specific ideology. Maybe he decided to lurk instead.

Soo...

Goals, let's see. Oddly enough, people on this forum don't talk about economics much and when they do, they never make clear what they mean by terms like money, markets, capitalism, socialism, communism, planning, democracy.

As for me, my goals are pretty similar to what you can read in the free book Towards a New Socialism (http://reality.gn.apc.org/).

That means when I talk about money, I don't mean any conceivable system where individuals have budgets to buy stuff they consume and where you do get paid for work. When I say I prefer labour vouchers to money, I'm referring to a system where you can't use these consumption points to individually own means of production or be someone's boss. (Given that these features of money are only available to a minority that has a lot of it, it's understandable that some people don't see vouchers as a drastically different thing.)

So you will still work, but under better conditions with shorter hours and no unemployment, and there will be some differences in income, though you have to understand that most of the current wealth inequality comes from owning assets. We'll have to try and see how much we can reduce income differences without running into serious problems. Education will be completely paid by the public, so reducing bottlenecks with particular skills through higher income will be less of an issue (but not a non-issue, especially if you share a border with a country that lures the skilled with higher income).

You will still pay directly for stuff, with the exception of media (will be completely based on public funding plus volunteers) and maybe public transport (land-value payments will play a big part in funding it). A few things will get much cheaper because patent monopolies will be entirely replaced with grants and prizes for research. Stuff will be basically priced on production cost (including environmental damage).

That doesn't look much different from now I guess, and there will even be some demand-baded pricing adjustments: When some consumer item is selling very well, it's price gets set higher, so the given output gets to those who need it the most (remember income differences won't be so big), and this is also taken as a signal to increase output; likewise the other way around for what is selling badly. But this logic won't apply to means of production. They won't be bought and sold, but allocated according to a central plan. Market logic doesn't work here. Just imagine somebody arguing this: "Oh, profits in electricity production are down, let's reduce production here." Planning will make heavy use of input-output tables (what stuff is an ingredient to producing what other stuff).

Will workers be the owners of the means of production? -Well, in the big picture yes, but not in the sense that those who work at a specific plant are the group that owns it. Say there's big demand for a specific consumer item and it's produced in two places, and plant A has more up-to-date machinery than plant B, I don't want that those who work at plant B are paid shit because of a machinery-based productivity differences.

Given how much support from the ultra-wealthy has to do with winning elections, population lottery will augment or replace elections: Single-seat elections and elections for small boards will only let a random sample from the population vote, so the voters can directly interact with the candidates. For boards with hundreds of seats it's a pretty save bet to get something more representative through population lottery than with any voting procedure.

These are my positions. I can't vouch for others here and I think most people on this forum are literally insane.

RedRevolution/NK/Russ/...
10th February 2012, 00:02
Great post comrade. :thumbup1:
Well as for your post it was very detailed and most of it I understood. In all fairness most people reply with gibberish of some sort.

So do you mean vouchers as in: WORK=vouchers for food, essentials etc.
and If we don't work then we starve kind of thing? That sounds fair enough. If that was what you meant.

I pretty much agree with you on this subject matter.

I am sick of the people who live in council houses and do not pay their fare share into our economy. Basically, handing them money yet they sit there and either buy drugs, alcohol and whatever else fills their greedy life's. Some people actually work and get near enough the same money as these greedy dogs.

Now moving away from that subject I'd like to know something. As I say I've been here, there and everywhere in terms of politics. As for the NS I can say rightfully that there approach is okay as they are more violent in getting their own way. Irrelevant to this matter however, I'd like to know. Do Communist's/Leftists actually use violence or is it made up of proper politicians and government?

And If you mean mentally insane (I am not)... If you mean insane as in having the will to strangle the enemy in their sleep and trying to spark something off you're talking to that kind of person. Ha, call me a North Korean. Actually best not to good people but any ways.

I agree with yourself.