Keep Comrade Castro_Sucks Unrestricted!

[Ortega]

I've posted this in several threads, and chances are that a few of you will see it there - but if you don't, I'm hoping you'll read this before you restrict him -


Admins - Don't ban Castro_Sucks just for speaking his mind. He hasn't done anything so bad. If Castro_Sucks is banned, assuming that he hasnt done anything worse than he already has, it will prove once and for all that Che-Lives is a completely biased, close-minded group of fascists. I'm not saying that it is now. There are a lot of great, open-minded people here, which is why I like it. But to not allow someone like Castro_Sucks to speak his mind would without a doubt go completely against the morals, ideas, and teachings of el Che.

Castro_Sucks has the right to think what he wants- this may be a leftist forum but he has good things to add to the discussion. From my experience, he is willing to have a good, adult, discussion, so long as he is not attacked by the radical pro-Castros on Che-Lives. He has good reason to be anti-Castro, and let him speak his mind. He may end up disrupting the other forums seriously, and if he does so, then I will have much less of a problem with him being restricted or even banned. But please, Administrators, consider what I'm saying. As long as you're open-minded, he will be too, or so I've witnessed today. I am hearing a lot of talk about banning him. And as many times as I've said this - its the wrong thing to do.

Hasta siempre!

-Comrade_Zapata

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Thanks Comrade Zapata. I was beginning to think everyone here was afraid of debating their beliefs. I thought this was a forum where people come and discuss their ideologies (pro or con) . Instead, I've gotten a rash of crap from the more uneducated and unintelligible lemmings on the board. You, however, seem to recognize right and wrong. You seem to want to debate in a civilized manner with someone at the opposite end of the spectrum. I appreciate that. It shows me you yearn for knowledge, and to impart your own.

[Iepilei]

Heh, keep unrestricted such a name on a Che Guevara message board.

Opposing Ideologies has such a fitting title, and that's exactly where such belongs.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 11:40 PM
Opposing Ideologies has such a fitting title, and that's exactly where such belongs.
Funny, I thought thats where we were!

[canikickit]

CASTRO SUCKS, perhaps the intelligent option would be changing your signature ("May you misguided idiots find the truth at the receiving end of a rifle!")and refraining from comments such as:


And I don't want aany CRAP about how all of a sudden EVERYONE has lived under a communist dictatorship! its time to "man-up", boys!
WHO of you big-talkers has LIVED under communist rule?!
Learn proper grammar before posting please
Then WHY don't YOU live there young one?
My dear...my young lost child....open your eyes

If you wish to maintain at least the appearance of civility, why don't you try being polite?

You're obviously quite opposed to the idea of socialism. There's no reason to post in the other forums, this section is for arguments against socialism/communism, whatever the hell you want to call it.

I don't advocate banning you (provided you remain civil, which you appear to be beginning to do), just keep things in this forum.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Point well taken. Perhaps you're correct! Perhaps I WILL change my sig for the sake of order. But it was never made clear to whom that was directed to, and who said it originally.

[Iepilei]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 22 2003, 11:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 22 2003, 11:42 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 11:40 PM
Opposing Ideologies has such a fitting title, and that&#39;s exactly where such belongs.
Funny, I thought thats where we were&#33; [/b]
no need to quip smart with me, friend, you understand what i meant.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 11:45 PM
no need to quip smart with me, friend, you understand what i meant.
You need to RELAX is what you need to do&#33; You have something against me personally, then sell it to Hallmark&#33; You&#39;re no more my friend than I am yours&#33; Lets not dishonor the whole Opposing Ideologies board with petty small talk.

You want to discuss, debate, teach, learn? Then so be it&#33; but lets leave the chit chat at the playground shall we?

[canikickit]

But it was never made clear to whom that was directed to, and who said it originally.

Nonsense. Your intent was clear.
Remove yourself from your high horse, you don&#39;t fool me.

[Iepilei]

you didn&#39;t have to respond to my initial post in the first place. if I wanted to attack you directly I would have.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 11:59 PM
Nonsense. Your intent was clear.
Remove yourself from your high horse, you don&#39;t fool me.
Was it really, or is it that you automatically assumed to be? My horse and I aren&#39;t here to make fools out of those that aren&#39;t. Those that are, will eventually prove themselves.

[Goldfinger]

You seem like a very tempered man. You and Kapitan Andrey would get along good.

[canikickit]

The comment is aimed towards those who read it. Most people will read it. It&#39;s simple.

[Ortega]

Well of course he&#39;s angry... As all of you would be were you him. He understands something that none of us do, with the exception of possibly me... and anyone else who has just not yet spoken up. He understands Castro&#39;s unfair and unjustified hatred toward those who even mildly protest against him. Castro_Sucks knows the evils of Castro. As I&#39;ve said too many times now, Castro is an amazing leader and a genius when it comes to global politics. He was a perfect leader for the new Cuba when he started out, but face it comrades, Castro_Sucks has a point.
Che would not be happy with what Castro has done. Castro_Sucks and his family - his uncle was killed by fidel and his father imprisoned - are more truly revolutionary than any of us on this board.
George Bush couldn&#39;t care less what we talk about online. In Cuba, we could all be imprisoned for having anything to do with this website. Castro_Sucks, or at least his family, are great revolutionaries for rebelling, even if maybe in a small way, against Castro and his dictatorship. Rebelling is a very risky thing to do in Cuba, as Castro_Sucks has found out.

Hasta siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Bolshevika]

It&#39;s funny, you guys restrict people like Anti-Fascist, Elijah Craig, and other communists, yet hesitate to ban this idiot "Castro Sucks". So, what side are you on?

[Iepilei]

and what, exactly, defines his/her credibility? certainly if they had a valid point to bring to the forefront, they would have simply sat it down - in a peaceable manner.

to me, it&#39;s nothing more than worthless ranting. ranting which doesn&#39;t even deserve a second glance, much less analysation.

but that&#39;s me... i have low tolerance for people who can&#39;t rationalise their angst into a single point.

[Pete]

You are broadly genearlizing the board. We must wait for an admin to cage him, until them we moderates keep his posts where they belong *shrugs*

[Bolshevika]

George Bush couldn&#39;t care less what we talk about online.

Ever hear of the Patriot Act, Patriot Act II and other internet surveillance? The reason we in general (emphasize on &#39;in general&#39;) do not get harrassed is due to the fact that they can keep us under control without jailing us. In fact, I&#39;m more afraid in the U.S. than I bet Cuban worms are in Cuba due to the fact that the U.S. government know&#39;s about every aspect of my personal and public life.


In Cuba, we could all be imprisoned for having anything to do with this website. Castro_Sucks, or at least his family, are great revolutionaries for rebelling, even if maybe in a small way, against Castro and his dictatorship.

And you dare to have comrade Che Guevara and Jose Marti as your avatar and sig?

Listen to yourself, you are spouting the lies and propaganda this bourgeois capitalist imperialist "Castro sucks" is spouting.

I saw a documentary a short while ago where they showed what Cuban&#39;s thought about the revolution. Only the exiles in Miami believe Fidel is "evil" or a "dictator". Cuba is a democracy ever hear of the Peoples Assembly/Commission? The Cuban people, like all workers in a socialist republic, have democratic powers and have great power in the Cuban government.

Many Cuban&#39;s tell me the same. Castro sucks wants to make Cuba into another imperialist puppet regime along with the rest of Latin America. He want&#39;s the people to go back to what they were before their liberation from the American pigs and the fascist dictator Batista (why does no one ever talk about the 20-40 thousand killed by Batista?)

You are just as bad as the worms in Miami.

Oh and another thing, Che and Raul supported the imprisonment of counter revolutionaries to the same extent (or more) as Fidel did. Fidel is far more liberal than Che.

[redstar2000]

Zapata, what&#39;s your angle here?

"Castro_Sucks" is obviously pro-capitalist and, in accordance with the customs of this board, should be restricted to Opposing Ideologies.

Why should that concern you at all, one way or another? Are you a personal "friend" of this jackoff? What is this crap about his "revolutionary family"?

Chances are, what he and his family would like to do is ride into Havana on the back of a U.S. tank...and set to work as slave-drivers on the behalf of some U.S. corporation.

Fidel beheaded his uncle? Too bad Fidel missed the rest of his "hard working" family.

Why are you defending this piece of shit?

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[Soul Rebel]

Thats what i want to know. Why are you defending him so much? Do you know him personally? Do you know if he is really telling the truth (that hes from cuba)?

I honestly doubt he even is from cuba.

And Zapata, people are not exactly getting pissed off because of his views, but because of the way in which he talks to all of us. Havent you seen it?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Ahh...I can see now those that are truly enlightened and those that have no other argument but to doubt where I&#39;m from, insult my knowledge and to try and debate me with their acid tongues.

In Comrade_Zapata&#39;s defence, I have no idea who he is as he has no idea of me. However, he seems to be one of the ONLY ones here that has the common sense to WANT to debate things, NOT with hostility, but with sensibility. And for this you brand him as a "conspirator" and a "traitor". Is this how it works? Is THIS the way you treat your fellow compatriots?&#33; I see now HOW and WHY castro had chosen to eliminate those he felt threatened by. One guy says something that one of you don&#39;t agree with, and the rest of you convict him&#33; I see you guys are indeed versed in the way things work in cuba. Touche&#33;

And to think you ALL could have had a chance to teach ME of the things you all believe in, as I had the chance to tell you all of MY experiences with the communist regime.

[Iepilei]

OH come now&#33; You said yourself you WELCOMED the fire, which is why you deliberately stirred it up&#33;&#33;

If you want a debate, create one, in this forum&#33; Find a point, state it, and defend it&#33; Quit making it sound as if you&#39;re some god-send because everything you&#39;ve said has been heard before.

Again. You want discussion, bring it up. If you want to complain and spit fire, go away.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 03:42 AM
Again. You want discussion, bring it up.
Have you not read anything I&#39;ve written? I think I&#39;ve stated my points, asked my questions and made my stand. All I&#39;ve received in return from most of you (not all) are non-sensical rantings WITHOUT any basis&#33;

You all doubt where i&#39;m from...is THAT you&#39;re argument? Is that your defence when you&#39;re backed up against a corner? I don&#39;t need you to believe my experiences with cuba anymore than I need to jump off a building to believe in gravity. You guys believe what YOU want about me. think that i&#39;m not from cuba...believe that I made the stories up....It will only cement my belief that many of you have nothing else to back up your claims.

[Ortega]

I&#39;m back. I had a long response written, and I lost it, so I&#39;ll just have to go with this:
I don&#39;t know Castro_Sucks, never met him, probably never will. But what hes saying is true&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; And none of you will even give him a fair chance to speak&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
How do you know he wants to enslave the workers??? Just because hes not exactly like you. Just because he can see beyond the lies and propaganda and he knows what Cuba&#39;s really like. Castro is truly a puppetmaster. He manipulated Che, he manipulated Camilo Cienfuegos, he manipulated countless other loyal generals, and he led them to their deaths. Thats Fidel&#39;s specialty, sending his comrades off to die. None of you know anything about this, and you refuse to admit that any of it was Fidels fault... except for Comrade Castro_Sucks. Which is why I&#39;m supporting him so strongly.
Open your eyes people&#33;
If Castro were our president, we&#39;d be the first ones to go.

Hasta siempre&#33; ;)

-Comrade_Zapata


EDIT: I&#39;d also like to thank the administrators for not banning either of us yet...

[Soul Rebel]

Zapata- i understand completely where you are coming from. However, i have to say, once again that its not what hes saying its how hes saying it. He treats everyone like crap zapata, why cant you see that? Its not that we disagree with him..

[Ortega]

And if any of you truly want to convert Comrade Castro_Sucks to Socialism, all I can say, is that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. Just remember that...

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 11:28 PM
Zapata- i understand completely where you are coming from. However, i have to say, once again that its not what hes saying its how hes saying it. He treats everyone like crap zapata, why cant you see that? Its not that we disagree with him..
Senora Che, I can completely see that. I&#39;ve said already that if he wants to stay on Che-Lives, or have anyone listen to him, he needs to tone it down. But still, I support him. You&#39;re open minded, Senora Che, and thank you for that. Personally, I&#39;m still a bit of a Castro supporter for all I&#39;ve said.

Hasta siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[EneME]

Zapata...I completely understand and respect his point of view, but at the same time all the things you are telling us ("you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. ") are the things that you should be telling him. He&#39;s really rude and disrespectful, and those are the basis of getting someone restricted NOT someone&#39;s point of view. I&#39;m surprised you&#39;re defending him, don&#39;t you realize you&#39;re the only one out of alot of ppl on this forum who doesn&#39;t see his rudeness. Not everyone here is closed minded, and would listen to what he has to say if he wasn&#39;t so rude and arrogant....

[FistFullOfSteel]

Zapata:Do you support George W Bush?

[LuZhiming]

"Castro_Sucks" is obviously pro-capitalist

:lol: What? You can be a Marxist and for Marxist purposes, believe that Fidel Castro sucks. So eh, that is hardly a valid point.

And frankly, a lot of the people who originally responded to posts about and by Castro_Sucks in this thread have been much ruder than he has.

By the way, Castro rules. :D

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Bolshevi[email protected] 23 2003, 08:35 AM
It&#39;s funny, you guys restrict people like Anti-Fascist, Elijah Craig, and other communists, yet hesitate to ban this idiot "Castro Sucks". So, what side are you on?
Exactly. If we keep "comrade"(&#33;&#33;&#33;) Castro_Sucks un-restricted, then we should un-restrict everyone (especially Husington and elijahcraig). But then again, some of the administration has openly claimed to support capitalism over "Stalinism" before so it dosen&#39;t surprise me.

[Mazzen]

"Castro_Sucks"...si eres de Cuba...puedes hablar español por supuesto. Pues, dime EN ESPAÑOL, cuales son tus problemas con la sistema en Cuba y con Fidel. ¿Entiendes? También, voy a saber si usaste algo del internet para trasludar sus palabras a español. Chao.

[redstar2000]

Two statements by "Castro Sucks"...


EVERYTHING my parents worked long and hard for was TAKEN AWAY FORCEFULLY by the communist regime.


[I live] In the land of the FREE&#33;&#33; Where I&#39;m NOT subjected to persecution for speaking my mind&#33; Where none of my friends are hauled away for speaking out against tyranny and communism&#33;

Presuming that he is speaking of the United States, here&#39;s what you get "hauled away for" here...


We are now receiving reports from people being released or calling from jail that there is excessive brutality, sexual assault and torture going on inside...

Reports from Miami...

http://sf.indymedia.org/features/wto/

The matter of CS&#39;s rudeness is of no particular interest to me...one can hardly expect "courtesy" from someone who has been deprived of inherited wealth. He was counting the money when it all went up in smoke. :lol:

His criticisms of Castro and Cuba are not from the "left"--it is not present Cuban inequality that bothers him, it is that Cuba is not unequal enough...and, more particularly, that he himself is not on the "high side" of that inequality.

The only "freedom" he is interested in is the "freedom" to get rich...and to acquire the usual group of fawning lackeys that rich people have.

He probably thinks Rush Limbaugh is a brilliant and creative fighter against communism.

And, at the same time, he is probably drawing heavily on the special welfare benefits given by the U.S. Government only to "refugees from communism".

I think it&#39;s also quite possible that he was deported from Costa Rica for some kind of criminal activity...right-wing exiles have a well-earned reputation for that sort of thing.

I do not feel any sense of obligation to "respect" such flagrantly self-interested views...nor do I place any credence whatsoever in his silly gossip about "mysterious disappearances", "Fidel had Che killed", etc. That sort of thing has always been a staple of what Marx quite accurately called "the muck of émigré politics". It&#39;s all unverified and unverifiable bullshit.

(Here&#39;s a funny one that&#39;s been making the rounds in Miami for decades: Fidel and Raul are "really" "bastards"--the sons of their father&#39;s maid...no wonder they became communists&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: )

The pretense that CS came here for "honest debate" or "discussion" is transparently false...his aggressive hostility betrayed his real intentions from the beginning.

He is a troll.

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[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 01:44 AM
Zapata...I completely understand and respect his point of view, but at the same time all the things you are telling us ("you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. ") are the things that you should be telling him. He&#39;s really rude and disrespectful, and those are the basis of getting someone restricted NOT someone&#39;s point of view. I&#39;m surprised you&#39;re defending him, don&#39;t you realize you&#39;re the only one out of alot of ppl on this forum who doesn&#39;t see his rudeness. Not everyone here is closed minded, and would listen to what he has to say if he wasn&#39;t so rude and arrogant....
EneME - I completely see what youre saying and agree with you. I do see his rudeness, I&#39;m just trying to defend him, as apparently no one else will. I&#39;ve warned him to be careful what he says as well.


Zapata:Do you support George W Bush?

What?&#33;?&#33;&#33;?&#33; Defending Castro_Sucks makes me support George Bush now?&#33;?&#33; Thats a new one... But no, Hugo, I don&#39;t. At all.


QUOTE
"Castro_Sucks" is obviously pro-capitalist


What? You can be a Marxist and for Marxist purposes, believe that Fidel Castro sucks. So eh, that is hardly a valid point.

And frankly, a lot of the people who originally responded to posts about and by Castro_Sucks in this thread have been much ruder than he has.

By the way, Castro rules.

Very true. Listen to Comrade LuZhiming, he has much better points than I do.


Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Ortega]

redstar2000 and the rest of you accusing Castro_Sucks of being a rich Batista supporter, what logic do you have to back this up??? For all you know, he came from a family of poor guajiros. From what he has said, his father fought with Castro and hailed him as the savior of Cuba&#33; Does that sound like a Batistiano to you, Comrades?

[Saint-Just]

Che would not be happy with what Castro has done. Castro_Sucks and his family - his uncle was killed by fidel and his father imprisoned - are more truly revolutionary than any of us on this board.

Che shot people too, he shot capitalists. We all know Castro does not kill those who do not deserve to be killed. I would suggest CASTRO_SUCKS is a troll and may be lying to you. To say Che would not be happy with what Castro has done is ridiculous, Che and Castro were great friends and progressives who served the cause their entire lives, you are doing nothing but slinging mud at their names.

George Bush couldn&#39;t care less what we talk about online. In Cuba, we could all be imprisoned for having anything to do with this website. Castro_Sucks, or at least his family, are great revolutionaries for rebelling, even if maybe in a small way, against Castro and his dictatorship.

Rebelling does not make you into a great and progressive revolutionary. Reactionaries rebell to, they rebell against socialism; it does not make them progressive.

What? You can be a Marxist and for Marxist purposes, believe that Fidel Castro sucks. So eh, that is hardly a valid point. -LuZhiming

He has shown himself to be a capitalist with other comments besides saying &#39;Castro sucks&#39;, and anyone who chooses such a name is obviously not going to be aiding the leftist movement.

[LuZhiming]

He has shown himself to be a capitalist with other comments besides saying &#39;Castro sucks&#39;,

That much is true.


and anyone who chooses such a name is obviously not going to be aiding the leftist movement.

This is precisely what I am arguing against. There are some who believe that Fidel Castro isn&#39;t really a Marxist(Which has at least, some truth in it.) and that he is a dictator. Castro never attempted to model Cuba after complete Marxist ideas, and I do believe he is indeed a dictator. However, I believe he is a "good" dictator.

[toastedmonkey]

If he behaves maturely then let him be.

I dont like castro personally, i do like cuba, what it satnds for and what he has done, and im a leftist.

You dont have to like everyone in life

LuZhiming, i completely agree

[kylie]

To call itself &#39;castro sucks&#39; on a left wing board shows its just trying to provoke people, and a search shows all he has talked about so far is how he opposed communism and Cuba.
His first two posts?

Thanks for the info..I just bought one&#33;

Sorry, I meant I bought TWO
Bullshit, it&#39;s just a troll.
And i agree, that if it&#39;s allowed to post in all forums, a lot of other people who currently can&#39;t should too.

[LuZhiming]

Am I the only person bothered by the fact that all of this whining and bickering about this evil monster&#39;s posts are all examples of things he said in the Opposing Ideologies board? I&#39;m still quite new, perhaps I have forgotten some significant rule, but it seems to me that the reason people here dislike him so much, and I don&#39;t mean to insult or degrade anyone by saying this, is that he is an Anti Castro person who actually brings up good and worthy points&#33; They consider that rather threatening, and people get angry when they can&#39;t refute something, yet have a strong enough belief nonetheless. And that I think, is really for the most part, the explanation for the controversy this guy has started. More power to him. This is coming from a guy with a Fidel Castro avatar&#33; People, try to be openminded, try to understand and respect people&#39;s right to believe in what they believe. Especially in this guy&#39;s case, his reasons aren&#39;t invalid.

[Ortega]

LuZhiming, toastedmonkey - thank you. I completely, completely agree with both of you, as I have shown in my other posts. I am glad that there are other tolerant people on Che-Lives. I agree with LuZhiming - Castro is a bit of a "good dictator". As terrible as he can be, I admire him and would like to go to Cuba as soon as I can. I understand Castro&#39;s evils and how life in Cuba as a dissident can be hell, but at the same time, I&#39;m a little bit of a closet Castro supporter...

Hasta Siempre, Comrades&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

EDIT: I also agree with LuZhiming in that the reason we are so hostile to Castro_Sucks is that he really has some good points&#33;&#33; Open your minds and I am sure that he will open his and then we can have a fair, balanced debate.

[Desert Fox]

I am pro restrict, but don&#39;t ban him. Restrict him, it is getting so boring here in our usergroup with restricted members :( So let him be here, some new blood can heat up the conversations.

[Ortega]

Just let him be, he hasn&#39;t disrupted anything but OI yet, and last time I checked, non-socialists were encouraged in OI.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 05:40 PM
Just let him be, he hasn&#39;t disrupted anything but OI yet, and last time I checked, non-socialists were encouraged in OI.
So it is not to restrict him, since most of us here in OI never got the chance to expand to the other forums <_<

[Ortega]

All I&#39;m saying is, give him a chance. Even if you weren&#39;t given one, maybe you should&#39;ve been.
But give Castro_Sucks a chance and see what he does to the other forums.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 23 2003, 03:27 PM
We all know Castro does not kill those who do not deserve to be killed.
Hey Mao:I cannot understand how someone with as many posts as you can say such a ridiculous statement&#33;&#33; So you&#39;re saying castro never killed anyone that DIDN&#39;T deserve to die?&#33; Hmmm....ok then..perhaps the twenty-something children that he drowned aboard that Tug about 3-4 years ago, deserved to die too? You remember the "13 de Marzo" don&#39;t you? When his gunboats rammed it then turned the master streams on to fill it with water? The forty people in all that perished that day? Most of them children? I guess you think the CHILDREN deserved to DIE as well?

I suppose my uncle for all the attempts he made to BETTER the new systems efficiency, deserved to die too?

Man oh man.... :blink:

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 01:50 PM
"Castro_Sucks"...si eres de Cuba...puedes hablar español por supuesto. Pues, dime EN ESPAÑOL, cuales son tus problemas con la sistema en Cuba y con Fidel. ¿Entiendes? También, voy a saber si usaste algo del internet para trasludar sus palabras a español. Chao.
Coño....yo no voy a repetir TODO lo que he dicho en Ingles en Español&#33; Yo sed que tu sabes leer el Ingles&#33;

Y para decirte la verdad, yo no nececito el internet para buscar la informacion que llevo por dentro&#33;

Y es "ciao" no "chao".

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 23 2003, 08:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 23 2003, 08:02 PM)
Chairman [email protected] 23 2003, 03:27 PM
We all know Castro does not kill those who do not deserve to be killed.
Hey Mao:I cannot understand how someone with as many posts as you can say such a ridiculous statement&#33;&#33; So you&#39;re saying castro never killed anyone that DIDN&#39;T deserve to die?&#33; Hmmm....ok then..perhaps the twenty-something children that he drowned aboard that Tug about 3-4 years ago, deserved to die too? You remember the "13 de Marzo" don&#39;t you? When his gunboats rammed it then turned the master streams on to fill it with water? The forty people in all that perished that day? Most of them children? I guess you think the CHILDREN deserved to DIE as well?

I suppose my uncle for all the attempts he made to BETTER the new systems efficiency, deserved to die too?

Man oh man.... :blink: [/b]
I don&#39;t know what you are referring to. What I am suggesting is that Castro is not an inhumane person and he does not choose to put people&#39;s lives in danger unless it is necessary and does not endeavour to end the lives of any individuals unless they deserve it in the eyes of the mass of progressive Cuban people.

[Ortega]

Not an inhumane person??? Individual lives mean nothing to Fidel. Maybe they once did. Maybe Fidel still cares about the Cuban people as a whole. But Fidel would kill anyone and everyone if he were only given the slightest excuse.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 23 2003, 10:33 PM
I don&#39;t know what you are referring to. What I am suggesting is that Castro is not an inhumane person and he does not choose to put people&#39;s lives in danger unless it is necessary and does not endeavour to end the lives of any individuals unless they deserve it in the eyes of the mass of progressive Cuban people.
Very skillfull spin...but not good enough. Again...what of the FORTY individuals that were drowned (more than half of them helpless children) on the Tug? What of the countless political prisoners that have been executed for "going against the grain"? Hell, what about my uncle? what about the 20,000+ cuban soldiers he knowingly sent to their deaths in Angola (most of them black)? How about those he sent to the UMAP (Unidad Militar para la Ayuda de la Produccion)? What about those that have died there? And the list goes on and on.......................................

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

i agree, we cant bann someone just cause they dont like communism

[Ortega]

el-zapatista, you are wise. I wish more people on this site could be as wise and openminded as you.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 08:16 PM
Not an inhumane person??? Individual lives mean nothing to Fidel. Maybe they once did. Maybe Fidel still cares about the Cuban people as a whole. But Fidel would kill anyone and everyone if he were only given the slightest excuse.
Are you out of your goddamned mind?

Individual lives mean nothing to Fidel? How about the excellent medical facilities that he has afforded the population? Last I checked, Cuba had one of the highest if not the highest doctor to patient ratios in the world. What do they have doctors for then if not individuals? Trees?

How about that the education system in Cuba is free from pre-school to post graduate? How about that Cuba has literacy rates that rival if not exceed first world industrialized countries?

Give me a break.

I don&#39;t care that Fidel kills counter revolutionary scumbags as most likely our friend Castro Sucks&#39; uncle was. Working with the U&#036; government for money to overthrow Castro and bring back privatization and capitalism is not in the best interest of Cuba and it&#39;s Revolution and should be punished accordingly.

[Ortega]

I&#39;ve said it before, and I&#39;ll say it again -
The people being killed in Cuba are for the most part NOT counterrevolutionary scumbags in any way&#33;&#33; They are people like us, people who dare to speak out against the government and rebel&#33; Or just people who point out flaws in the government...

[redstar2000]

I&#39;ve said it before, and I&#39;ll say it again -
The people being killed in Cuba are for the most part NOT counterrevolutionary scumbags in any way&#33;&#33;

How would you have any way of knowing this?

Is your informant "Castro_Sucks"? Why would you believe him?

My understanding is that executions are quite rare in Cuba...the most recent being three guys who hijacked a ferry boat (with passengers aboard) and attempted to cross the Florida Straits in a vessel totally unsuitable for that purpose. In other words, they deliberately endangered the lives of innocent people. I don&#39;t have a problem with execution for those fuckwits...why do you?

As for the "dissidents" generally, they are both pro-capitalist as a matter of principle (their petition said so) and the ones that have actually been imprisoned were "on the payroll" of the U.S. official stationed in Havana. They were not "journalists" of any kind...they were paid agents of U.S. imperialism period.

As you know, I&#39;m generally opposed to imprisonment...had Castro asked my advice, I would have suggested tossing the bastards over the fence at Guantanamo. But in fact they were jailed according to Cuban legal principles...such as they are.

Whatever legitimate criticisms may be made of Cuba (and they are numerous), the fact remains that people like "Castro-Sucks" would happily endorse a fascist regime...as long as they themselves prospered.

People like him don&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass about "freedom"...except their freedom to get rich.

Why, I ask again, are you defending this asshole?

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[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 11:08 PM
I&#39;ve said it before, and I&#39;ll say it again -
The people being killed in Cuba are for the most part NOT counterrevolutionary scumbags in any way&#33;&#33; They are people like us, people who dare to speak out against the government and rebel&#33; Or just people who point out flaws in the government...
Forty years of terrorist attacks, bombings, sanctions, embargoes, isolation, assassinations, and full-scale military invasion do tend to make a man pretty jumpy when it comes to dissidents.

The second Fidel lets down his guard is the second he is murdered and the Cuban people are subjected to a new proxy dictator who operates for Western business interests.

Counter-revolutionaries pose a threat to the Cuban government and therefore the Cuban people. The Cuban government has a duty to protect the Cuban people, thus it must preserve its own existence by any means necessary.

[flayer2]

CASTRO SUCKS
Still taking the heat...

You should try www.freerepublic.com

There are gonna love you over there. They may like you too Comrade Zapata ( but you better remove comrade from your name ) :)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 09:02 PM
So you&#39;re saying castro never killed anyone that DIDN&#39;T deserve to die?&#33;
That is entirely subjective, who are you to judge who can live or not. You don&#39;t know the backgrounds of the person or the reason why he/she got killed, so why are you saying that they don&#39;t or do deserve to die <_<

[Ortega]

If you want to hear what I really think -
MOST of the people Castro kills do deserve to die - especially the hijackers of that ferry.


Forty years of terrorist attacks, bombings, sanctions, embargoes, isolation, assassinations, and full-scale military invasion do tend to make a man pretty jumpy when it comes to dissidents.

The second Fidel lets down his guard is the second he is murdered and the Cuban people are subjected to a new proxy dictator who operates for Western business interests.

Counter-revolutionaries pose a threat to the Cuban government and therefore the Cuban people. The Cuban government has a duty to protect the Cuban people, thus it must preserve its own existence by any means necessary.

DyerMaker, for once, that is completely true. Good post. I&#39;m just saying that Castro does it - not that its not usually neccesary for his safety or for the safety of the one Latin American country still not a complete puppet of the U&#036;.
I&#39;m not a cappie&#33; I am a socialist... You can still be a Socialist and be able to point out Castro&#39;s faults.
I respect Castro, as a leader, as a person, as the one person who can stand up to the United &#036;tates just 90 miles from their shores.

Hasta Siempre&#33; :che:

-Comrade_Zapata

[cubist]

ignore me didn&#39;t read something properly

[Chewillneverdie]

jesus this is getting annoying, I praise Communism, but some of you are doing the exact same thing of what you hate. You say the U.S. is worse than Cuba for jailing Austin. and in a sense if you read everything he writes, he is all for battling pigs, so he was a threat. Tapdancing elves (sorry but elves rock lol) You are so extreme you are blind. You hate the US cus it has done some injustices, sure i hate most of which the US has done. but i sure as hell am not gonna support the Vietcong just because of it. My grandfather rescued POWs, and if you believe the treatment of which the US POWs were treated was fine, i truely think you are worse than the capitalist. Same with Fidel, you dont care how many people he kills as long as its in the name of Communism (this goes out to a select few by the way lol most of you guys are awesome)

[Urban Rubble]

What was wrong with the VietCong ? Seriously, tell me exactly what is wrong with defending your country from an invading nation. You&#39;re amazing.

Are you suprised they treated POW&#39;s badly ? The U.S invades their country, kills a few million people, and you&#39;re suprised they were a bit miffed ?

So your grandfather rescued POW&#39;s ? What the fuck does that have to do with anything ? So what ?

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 07:45 PM
DyerMaker, for once, that is completely true.
Ah-hem. What do you mean, "for once"? I&#39;m always right.

[Monty Cantsin]

Just because Castro_sucks doesn’t like Fidel doesn’t mean his pro capitalist he might just be anti-dictators. And even if he was its give the conversations an spike making them more interesting

[synthesis]

The people being killed in Cuba are for the most part NOT counterrevolutionary scumbags in any way&#33;&#33; They are people like us, people who dare to speak out against the government and rebel&#33; Or just people who point out flaws in the government...
If you want to hear what I really think -
MOST of the people Castro kills do deserve to die - especially the hijackers of that ferry.

These are only a few posts apart.

What&#39;s your deal, Zapata?

[BuyOurEverything]

So, why should CASTRO_SUCKS be unrestricted? Every other right winger on this board is restricted. If he&#39;s not going to post outside of OI, than why is he complaining?

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 02:29 AM
The second Fidel lets down his guard is the second he is murdered and the Cuban people are subjected to a new proxy dictator who operates for Western business interests.

Not to be a harsh thorn in you&#39;re side here brother, but what makes you so sure that a "poxy dicator" is likely to take over after Castro. If his revolution is as succesful as it looks, there should be hundereds of worthy heirs to the party.

[cubist]

Lol,
You Lot make me chuckle

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 03:29 AM

The people being killed in Cuba are for the most part NOT counterrevolutionary scumbags in any way&#33;&#33; They are people like us, people who dare to speak out against the government and rebel&#33; Or just people who point out flaws in the government...
If you want to hear what I really think -
MOST of the people Castro kills do deserve to die - especially the hijackers of that ferry.

These are only a few posts apart.

What&#39;s your deal, Zapata?
DyerMaker, you made me think with your post a while back. Even if the people dying do nothing but speak out against the government, just speaking out against the government obviously does and should make Fidel nervous. He&#39;s only 90 miles from the U&#036; and the president of the only modern socialist country in the western hemisphere, not to mention the only country not completely controlled by the U&#036; and their businesses. If I, or any of you, were in Castro&#39;s position, we&#39;d probably do the same.
DyerMaker, you&#39;ve lured me to the dark side...

[redstar2000]

Check out "Castro_Sucks" on police brutality in Miami (the thread is on this page).

What a "great guy". What a "real man".

What a stinking piece of shit&#33;

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[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 04:28 PM
Check out "Castro_Sucks" on police brutality in Miami (the thread is on this page).

What a "great guy". What a "real man".

What a stinking piece of shit&#33;

Yep, typical Miami worm.

Oh yeah, Che will never die, didn&#39;t you say your grandfather was kicked out of his home by Stalin? Is this the same grandfather who saved POW&#39;s in Vietcong? How many grandfathers do you have?

The Vietcong was heroic. Ho Chi Minh is like Che Guevara/Fidel in many ways. The South Vietnamese people wanted Ho Chi Minh, even president Eisenhower said that if there were an election in South Viet Nam the Viet cong would win.

You know, they had to take down a giant. The Vietnamese revolutionary proletariat had to fend off imperialist aggressors. Yes they had to take some questionable actions, but they were forced to by the French and Americans.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 04:28 PM
Check out "Castro_Sucks" on police brutality in Miami (the thread is on this page).

What a "great guy". What a "real man".

What a stinking piece of shit&#33;


Wow...You&#39;re really trying there eh redstar? This is the second post I&#39;ve seen of you pointing people to that thread&#33; Why don&#39;t you go and answer what I wrote instead of evading it and trying to rally your friends? What, you have no argument? You want to stay away from that one? Fine...I&#39;ll post what I responded right here TOO&#33;


Thats a CLEVER "comeback" there redstar&#33; How EVER to you come up with such "valid" arguments?&#33; Whats your point? What, didn&#39;t I say it nice enough? Were YOU there? Because I was&#33; Have you EVER been jailed in South Florida? Because I&#39;VE been jailed in South Florida&#33; Has YOUR father ever been jailed in cuba? Because MY father has been jailed in cuba&#33;&#33; Anything ELSE you&#39;d like to add?

So ONCE AGAIN we resort to the name calling and immature accusations&#33; Is this your idea of a rhetort there Redstar? You people SEE how this all starts eh? Someone disagrees with FACTS and "argues" them with name calling. Bravo Maestro&#33;&#33;

Food for thought&#33; Just because I work closely with cops on a scene doesn&#39;t mean they&#39;re NOT assholes&#33; Lets see, They&#39;ve been dicks to me when I got arrested, I run from them when they try to catch me on my bike, and I box them in the ring.....yeah...now THATS brown-nosing it&#33; :blink:

[Vladimir]

Ban both Comrade Zap and Castro_Sucks for good. Both are bourgeois scholars that need to be banned.

BTW Ignore all his posts and refuse to reply to his &#39;arguements&#39;. He&#39;s only pissing around.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 26 2003, 07:05 AM
What was wrong with the VietCong ? Seriously, tell me exactly what is wrong with defending your country from an invading nation. You&#39;re amazing.

Are you suprised they treated POW&#39;s badly ? The U.S invades their country, kills a few million people, and you&#39;re suprised they were a bit miffed ?

So your grandfather rescued POW&#39;s ? What the fuck does that have to do with anything ? So what ?
You are right, I personally would kill every moron, I could kill that envades my country and kills my friends, family, ... They had every right and reacted like how most of us would ;)

[cubist]

what is wrong with the vietcong, nothing absolutely nothing, what is wrong is that America seems to believe it can do what the hell it wants the vietcong are the only people to defeat the americans.

North Korea still to this day is the most defiant of countries to the western world, a fine example to other countries,

unfortunately my country has been invaded by america my prime minister seems to have got lost up GW bush&#39;s tiny little behind and let them come we weren&#39;t allowed to kill the bastards as he had

roughly

2000 police officers
2 X black hawk helicopters
the most protected Car
a red Nuke button (why i don&#39;t know)
700 Us security staff
snipers on every position around Buckingham palace
the combed a mile square around 10 downing street and buckingham palace with geiger counters

all for one little man who must really know how much he is hated

he seemed to leave quite quickly though

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by V.I. [email protected] 26 2003, 07:09 PM
Ban both Comrade Zap and Castro_Sucks for good. Both are bourgeois scholars that need to be banned.

BTW Ignore all his posts and refuse to reply to his &#39;arguements&#39;. He&#39;s only pissing around.
Wow...Excellent...Excellent defense....Bravo&#33;&#33;&#33;

Do you even KNOW what the HELL bourgeois MEANS??? Middle class&#33;&#33; you read...MIDDLE CLASS&#33; Thats EXACTLY what I am&#33; Are you saying you&#39;re upper class??&#33;

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 10:05 PM
Do you even KNOW what the HELL bourgeois MEANS??? Middle class&#33;&#33; you read...MIDDLE CLASS&#33; Thats EXACTLY what I am&#33; Are you saying you&#39;re upper class??&#33;
Brief history on the word &#39;bourgeoisie.&#39;

The term came from the Middle Ages, when a certain segment of peasants began to inhabit towns, which were called &#39;burgesses.&#39; Eventually, this &#39;middle class&#39; (because it was between the feudal serfs and the landed aristocracy) came to be the dominant class because the mode of production shifted from land to industrial machinery.

Since industrial machinery focused into towns, those existing in the towns started up industrial companies and hired the peasants moving into urban areas to work for them. Therefore, all people living in towns are technically bourgeois. You have to recognize the distinction between the Marxist usage of the word and the technical usage of the word.

Here is how Engels defined bourgeoisie, from a footnote in the second chapter of the Communist Manifesto.


By bourgeoisie is meant the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of wage labor.

Marxists adapted the word to fit modern society. At no point did it ever literally mean middle class.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Thank you for clearing that up. Doesn&#39;t change the fact that I AM middle class though. But thank you&#33;

[synthesis]

Almost forgot to address this.


Not to be a harsh thorn in you&#39;re side here brother, but what makes you so sure that a "poxy dicator" is likely to take over after Castro. If his revolution is as succesful as it looks, there should be hundereds of worthy heirs to the party.

I&#39;m aware of that; the "murder of Fidel" was intended as a metaphor for a coup d&#39;etat. Basically, I meant to say that if Fidel lets his guard down, all sorts of bad shit can go down.

But thanks for asking for clarification, redcanada; I phrased that poorly.


Thank you for clearing that up. Doesn&#39;t change the fact that I AM middle class though. But thank you&#33;

By "bourgeois scholar" I think he tried to say that you are defending the bourgeoisie. If I&#39;m not mistaken, "bourgeois scholar" is sort of a compliment and an insult in one phrase.

I believe it implies that you defend the bourgeoisie with facts, as opposed to blind dogma and stubborn rejection of socialist ideas.

[canikickit]

Castro_sucks won&#39;t be unrestricted because he supports capitalism.
what the hell is this discussion supposed to be about?