Salam Aleikum from Bosnia!

[muamaralbahravi]

Hello.
I'm a 35 YO Muslim Socialist from Bosnia.
As you know,Bosnia today is very poor and miserable,and ethnic conflicts are still high,threatening to erupt into a new war.
I have great respect for comrade Tito,although i subscribe now to Islamic Socialism as it existed under Colonel Gadaffi.
Ask if you have any other questions!
Peace be with you.

[khlib]

Welcome, comrade!

pozdrav, druze!

[GoddessCleoLover]

Marshal Tito seems to have genuinely made an attempt to reach an equitable balance of power amongst the national minorities of then-existing Yugoslavia. Gaddafi does not seem to have measured up Tito with respect to statecraft. By the mid 70s the Green Book was a dead letter and Gaddafi was hanging Libyan university students for peacefully protesting against his dictatorship. It seems to me that the popular revolt against him was indeed mass-based and that Islamic socialism in Libya was mere propaganda. The reality was corruption and oppression. Welcome to RevLeft, and hopefully we can agree to disagree agreeably.

[ColonelCossack]

greetings comrade

[dodger]

Aleikum Salaam and peace be with you and your family. Welcome Muarmaralbahravi

[Prometeo liberado]

Get down with your bad self comrade, welcome!

[Искра]

Fuck Gadafi... he was an idiot, capitalist and nationalist butcher. Can people get the guy of their dicks?

[Le Rouge]

Wa alaykum salam comrade!

[The Jay]

Welcome to the forum! Though, I don't think that you'll find too many Ghaddafists here, but you'll have a lot of opportunity for friendly discussion! I look forward to talking with you. Have a good day/night!

[Buitraker]

Hi comrade

[Yugo45]

Dobrodošao :)

[hashem]

Hello.
I'm a 35 YO Muslim Socialist from Bosnia.
As you know,Bosnia today is very poor and miserable,and ethnic conflicts are still high,threatening to erupt into a new war.
I have great respect for comrade Tito,although i subscribe now to Islamic Socialism as it existed under Colonel Gadaffi.
Ask if you have any other questions!
Peace be with you.

gadafi was an enemy of working class. there can be no non-secular or non-democrat socialist. its a shame that im hearing these things from a 35 year old person.

[Bostana]

Welcome Comrade

[Ocean Seal]

Welcome you probably will get restricted for being a Green socialist, but its all good, have fun learning here.

[manic expression]

Welcome! :)

[ВАЛТЕР]

Dobrodosao druze!

[The Stalinator]

I am no fan of Gaddafi, but I still wish you welcome to the forum.

[Susurrus]

Do you subscribe to the theories in Gadaffi's Green Book as relating to women?

[The Douche]

I have no more problems with islam than I do with any other religion, but Gadaffi and his idea of socialism represents a third way/third positionism in my book.

You're gonna have to be restricted, but we welcome your posts in the opposing ideologies section, and I welcome valid criticism for my actions.

[Ismail]

Notice how he praises Tito and Gaddafi, both "safe" bourgeois nationalists.

Lenin pointed out that every socialist as a rule is an atheist. Hoxha noted that "religious socialism" is a reactionary ideology. In Tito's Flawed Legacy Nora Beloff noted (p. 33) that in 1945 Tito called himself a Catholic and that Djilas changed Tito's words "I, as a Catholic" to "I, as a Croat" when publishing a speech.

In addition to this, a 1987 Albanian article noted (http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/titoites.htm) that:

Formally the Yugoslav revisionists accept that the nation is an historical social community, but along with this, in the documents and materials of their party, in the speeches of the Titoite leaders and in the publications of their daily press there is talk also about the Moslems, the Roms, or Gipsies, etc. considered as national communities, nationalities. This is an open distortion of the Marxist-Leninist theory of the nation. Proceeding from erroneous positions, they identify the historical social community with the religious or racial community.

The national community, which is formed and consolidated through a long historical process, mainly by inner objective material factors, cannot be confused or identified with the religious communities which are formed under the influence of subjective factors or racial communities which are formed mainly under the influence of external biological factors. “... the nation is not a racial community,” says J. V. Stalin, “nor is it a tribal community, but it is a historically formed community of people.”On Gaddafi, Hoxha noted that:

"As is known, in 1969 there was a revolt in Libya, too; the dynasty of King Idris was overthrown and a group of young officers, headed by Qaddafi who poses as anti-imperialist, came to power. We can describe this revolt, this movement, as progressive at first, but later it lost its impact and at the moment it has fallen into stagnation. Qaddafi who came to power and claims to be the head of Islam, exploited the Moslem religion to present Libya as a 'progressive' country and even called it 'socialist', but in reality the great oil wealth of the country is being exploited for very dubious adventurous and sinister aims. Of course, for purposes of demagogy and because the income from the sale of oil is truly colossal, some changes have been made in the life of the people in the cities, while the poverty stricken nomads of the desert remain a grave social problem. As we know, Qaddafi was a disciple of Nasser's in politics, ideology and religious belief, as well as in his aims."
(Enver Hoxha. Reflections on the Middle East. Tirana: 8 Nëntori Publishing House. 1984. pp. 362-363.)

[Omsk]

I dont like the "gentle" criticism of Tito here,he was an opportunist,he made pacts not only with capitalists and nationalists,but with "leftists" such as Pol Pot and Gaddafi,(Who obviously,was not a socialist) Nicolae Ceaușescu (A horrible revisionist and a total failure as a leader) ,Kim Il Sung and others..He "opposed" the Soviet Union post 1948 [Even though it was his greatest ally] and had words of criticism for the Kremlin,and than he rounds up all "Stalinists" [Most were just confused people who just liked Russia,and many were betrayed by other people] and trough his secret service,sents them to a prison camp on an island.He than,of course,made a lot of speeches attacking the USSR,and after that period,he completely turned to the West.It is interesting to note that Nikita always had a positive view on him:

Tito has always been a good Communist and a man of principal....
It was very profitable for the capitalist countries then, and it's still profitable for them today, to use tempting trade agreements to try and coax the fraternal countries away from the Socialist camp one by one.
Talbott, Strobe, Trans. and Ed. Khrushchev Remembers. Boston: Little Brown, c1970, p. 382

Yugoslavia always took care not to affiliate itself with one block or another.... The Yugoslavs refused to join the Warsaw Pact because they had a special commercial relationship with the West.
Talbott, Strobe, Trans. and Ed. Khrushchev Remembers. Boston: Little Brown, c1970, p. 383

There are accounts of Beria sharing his opinion.(Diplomatic talks)

Beria offered assurances to Czechoslovakia that the USSR would not continue to interfere in Czech internal affairs, and he wrote a personal letter to Marshal Tito apologizing for the manner in which Stalin had treated him. The MGB officer who would carry the letter to Tito showed it to me. The final sentence said, "Let us cast the past aside and look ahead to the resumption of diplomatic relations between our two nations."
Deriabin, Peter. Inside Stalin's Kremlin. Washington [D.C.]: Brassey's, c1998, p. 148

His relationship Libya and with Gaddafi was interesting,some believed it was because of the role of Libya and Egypt in the Non-Aligned Movement,others,because Tito wanted as much support and influence.And,another one of Tito's allies in the movement - Sukarno.

And if we want to question Gaddafi,i think there is more than enough evidence,he supported various smaller conflicts,participated in some,he supported all sorts of reactionaries,etc etc.

[The Douche]

User was restricted, so, thread closed. If you guys want to talk about Tito or whatever feel free to start a thread wherever.