A great accomplishment in international communist history is complete

[Ismail]

As reported (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201201/news18/20120118-12ee.html) by the KCNA:

Pyongyang, January 18 (KCNA) -- The Workers' Party of Korea Publishing House brought out Vol. 100 of "Complete Collection of Kim Il Sung's Works", a library of the Juche idea which systematically and comprehensively deals with his works in a chronological order.

All 100 volumes of the complete collection have thus been published.

The last volume contains Vol. 6 of President Kim Il Sung's reminiscences "With the Century."But Enver Hoxha however had 71 volumes worth of published Vepra (collected works), 23 volumes of published diaries, 3 volumes of published letters and 7 volumes of memoirs, thus beating Kim Il Sung with 104 volumes in terms of complete collections, plus more of his collected works and diaries were to be published except publication ceased in 1990.

NO MORTAL CAN DEFEAT HOXHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Prometeo liberado]

Is it available in Cliff Notes?

[Ostrinski]

hoxha.... even in chit chat..

[MarxSchmarx]

As reported (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201201/news18/20120118-12ee.html) by the KCNAPyongyang, January 18 (KCNA) -- The Workers' Party of Korea Publishing House brought out Vol. 100 of "Complete Collection of Kim Il Sung's Works", a library of the Juche idea which systematically and comprehensively deals with his works in a chronological order.

All 100 volumes of the complete collection have thus been published.

The last volume contains Vol. 6 of President Kim Il Sung's reminiscences "With the Century."

Likely most if not a humongous portion of it was ghost written by this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Jang-yeop former head of the supreme peoples assembly.

who once said:


Remarking on his role as advisor to Kim Jong-Il, Hwang stated: "When I proposed something, he would pretend to listen at first, but in the end, he would never listen."

[workersadvocate]

As entertaining as the OP is, I sometimes wonder if leftist do judge other leftist's status in the Left based on how much of their writing is published.

Which bring me to another not-so-political concern: who the hell has the time and luxury to pen 104+ volumes about anything (actually authored themselves; no ghost-writers)?
That would have to be all I did day and night without recess for 60 years or more!
I can get longwinded on occassion, but by 104 volumes I would have bored myself to death, to say nothing of my audience.

[Ismail]

Apparently Marx and Engels have written enough that compiling their works in German would require over 200 volumes.

I haven't really read Kim Il Sung's works, but I know someone who has read some of his Selected Works and who has said that, outside of Juche, he (or his ghost-writer) didn't write terribly. Like most leaders most of his works are just speeches delivered at places. Depending on things they can either be interesting or boring.

I don't think that amount of books and such has much to do with respectability though. Todor Zhivkov actually amassed quite the number of works (over 40) and he is universally recognized for his mediocrity as a person.

Lenin wrote tons of stuff. There were plans to release an additional 10 or so volumes of Collected Works from him but the USSR imploded before that could occur. Due to the circumstances much of what he wrote is still interesting to everyone today.

[Agent Ducky]

NO MORTAL CAN DEFEAT HOXHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
http://a.static.memegenerator.net/cache/instances/500x/13/13901/14235508.jpg

[Ismail]

Bit of both.

[Rafiq]

Good job, hoxha wrote 4 more pieces of theoretically useless volumes than Kim il sung.

You should be so proud :crying:

[Искра]

Since they didn't have porn in Albania, Hoxha's volumes were all they had...

[Agent Ducky]

Bit of both.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png?1306264975
I accidentally found ways to use 2 futurama memes. What is this.

[Ismail]

Good job, hoxha wrote 4 more pieces of theoretically useless volumes than Kim il sung.

You should be so proud :crying:At least we know that unlike Hoxha, Kim Il Sung was apparently forced to write those volumes because in your view the "material conditions" necessitated Juche, Dengism and more. Apparently Hoxha was an "opportunist" because he didn't invent his own "ism."

At least that explains why Kim Il Sung's writings on Juche are so devoid of content, the great winds of the "material conditions" whispered into his ears "you must create Juche" like some sort of Korean mythological episode, and by god Kim was going to do it and act to the best of his ability within those "conditions"!

[MustCrushCapitalism]

hoxha.... even in chit chat..
they seem me Hoxha'in'
they hatin'

[GoddessCleoLover]

How about that good old-fashioned Marxian notion that revolution and Communism occur due to the efforts of the working class, rather than comparing the comparative volumes of sterile theorizing from party leaders who failed to empower the workers of their respective countries?

[Ismail]

I was unaware the working-class did nothing at all from the 1940's-80's.

[GoddessCleoLover]

The working class did many things during those decades, but might have accomplished even more had not political initiative been usurped by those who claimed to be its representatives. One of the things that has always puzzled me about anti-revisionist theory is that it seems to place a primacy on the theoretical approaches of a handful of party leaders. At best this seems to be a classic example of allowing the working class to be supplanted by the party and the party supplanted by its leadership. With all due respect, it would seem more in line with Marx's original conception of proletarian revolution to place the primary emphasis upon the class rather than a handful of leaders.

[Rafiq]

At least we know that unlike Hoxha, Kim Il Sung was apparently forced to write those volumes because in your view the "material conditions" necessitated Juche, Dengism and more. Apparently Hoxha was an "opportunist" because he didn't invent his own "ism."

At least that explains why Kim Il Sung's writings on Juche are so devoid of content, the great winds of the "material conditions" whispered into his ears "you must create Juche" like some sort of Korean mythological episode, and by god Kim was going to do it and act to the best of his ability within those "conditions"!

Behold: a hoxhaist conception of materialism. The animal (hoxhaist) believe "material conditions" to be a person, an ideology, i.e. A specific instance that only applies to North Korea and not Albania or the USSR.

Idealism of the anti revisionist tradition is quite hilarious.
,
Especially, since he failed to answer my claims in last thread, instead replied with "at least I'm not a dengist".

[Ismail]

Again, Albania had no need to obey the "material conditions" in such a way as to supplant Marxism-Leninism with Juche or "Deng Xiaoping Theory," or "Mao Zedong Thought" for that matter. Perhaps you'd like to explain why Albania had a militant foreign policy and retained Marxism-Leninism whereas the DPRK merely called for "unity" between third-world "non-aligned" countries?

You've never responded to anything I've ever wrote except with insults. You claimed that Albania "deviated" from Marxism-Leninism in five different ways, and never listed those differences. Marxist-Leninists, by contrast, have always paid close attention to the objective material conditions, not turned them into a way to justify revisionism from Juche to Dengism and Gorbachev's Perestroika policies.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

As reported (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201201/news18/20120118-12ee.html) by the KCNA:
But Enver Hoxha however had 71 volumes worth of published Vepra (collected works), 23 volumes of published diaries, 3 volumes of published letters and 7 volumes of memoirs, thus beating Kim Il Sung with 104 volumes in terms of complete collections, plus more of his collected works and diaries were to be published except publication ceased in 1990.

NO MORTAL CAN DEFEAT HOXHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You got sigged, son

[Agent Ducky]

You got sigged, son

+1 Revlefts to you, good sir.

[Roach]

Behold: a hoxhaist conception of materialism. The animal (hoxhaist) believe "material conditions" to be a person, an ideology, i.e. A specific instance that only applies to North Korea and not Albania or the USSR.

Idealism of the anti revisionist tradition is quite hilarious.
,
Especially, since he failed to answer my claims in last thread, instead replied with "at least I'm not a dengist".

You know that this pompous shit doesn't actually prove much don't you? All this Marxist phraeseology doesn't magically transforms itself into content.


The animal (hoxhaist)

Polite as a fucking gorilla, a big fuck you to you too.

[Ismail]

"A correct understanding of the character and content of our epoch, and its motive forces, constitutes a basic condition for every Marxist-Leninist party to draw up a correct political and ideological line, a consistent revolutionary strategy and tactics. That is to say, the line, the strategy and tactics of a party (or of several parties) are, or should be, determined from the correct understanding of a given epoch, from its content, while the objective content of this epoch does not depend (nor can it depend) on the strategy, or even less, on the wishes of one or several parties. In the case of all the present-day revisionist parties, they want to present their totally wrong and anti-Marxist strategies and tactics as allegedly built on the basis of their understanding of the character of our epoch, whereas they are simply fabricating such 'theories' to suit their interests on the basis of their pragmatic policies. The revisionists and opportunists of all times have committed and continue to commit abuses precisely in this direction. Their political opportunism leads them to 'scientific' charlatanism, in their attempts to present the objective social reality and its processes in a distorted light and to draw wrong, anti-revolutionary conclusions from it.

In the struggle against these distortions, the PLA has always emphasized that the only scientific criterion in order to understand the content of our epoch correctly, is the class analysis, class assessment, from the standpoint of Marxist-Leninist science, of the essential events and phenomena of the epoch, and its motive forces."
(Nexhmije Hoxha. Some Fundamental Questions of the Revolutionary Policy of the Party of Labour of Albania About the Development of the Class Struggle. Tirana: 8 Nëntori Publishing House. 1977. pp. 43-44.)

[GoddessCleoLover]

While Enver Hoxha seemed to have seen opportunistic or revisionistic party leaders as the problem, my view is that the very process of party dictatorship, which froze the working class out of any real exercise of power, was the underlying vice.

[Comrade Auldnik]

hoxha.... even in chit chat..

You think your measly forum can contain the awesomeness that is Enver "The Party Man" Hoxha?

[Agent Ducky]

You think your measly forum can contain the awesomeness that is Enver "The Party Man" Hoxha?

No, no, us Chit-Chatters can only aspire to the greatness of the Almighty Hoxha. Until now. Comrade Ismail the Great bestoweth the gift of Hoxha upon our humble forum. PRAISE THE HOXHA! NO MORTAL CAN DEFEAT HIM! HOXHALUJAH!

[PC LOAD LETTER]

No, no, us Chit-Chatters can only aspire to the greatness of the Almighty Hoxha. Until now. Comrade Ismail the Great bestoweth the gift of Hoxha upon our humble forum. PRAISE THE HOXHA! NO MORTAL CAN DEFEAT HIM! HOXHALUJAH!
Hoxha died for our sins

[Rafiq]

Again, Albania had no need to obey the "material conditions" in such a way as to supplant Marxism-Leninism with Juche or "Deng Xiaoping Theory," or "Mao Zedong Thought" for that matter. Perhaps you'd like to explain why Albania had a militant foreign policy and retained Marxism-Leninism whereas the DPRK merely called for "unity" between third-world "non-aligned" countries?

For one, countries like China and North Korea were of.... Greater interest to the United States and, in China's case, the Soviet Union. If it weren't for Albania collapsing on itself completely, it would have adopted the same reforms China, Vietnam, North Korea, and... Cuba today are adopting.

Besides, Albania supported reactionaries around the globe, it's kind of pathetic you'd criticize the DPRK's foreign policy, when Albania supported the people's liberation movement against Soviet Social imperialism (To take away the symbolic illusions, he essentially supported the Muhajadeen against what could have been progress for Afghanistan).


You've never responded to anything I've ever wrote except with insults.

I knew you'd bring this up. I knew, before I typed the post, you'd say "ALL U DO IS INSULT ME WAA WAA". But this is far from the truth. On the contrary, I provide an excellent refution of your posts, it just so happens your lazy ass doesn't want to reply to them, (Similar to Night Ripper, and other OI losers) because you can't. So to compensate for this laziness, you point out some of the insults (A fraction of the post, but for you, probably were highlighted from the rest of the post) and just dismiss it in such a manner.

It's a common act of desperation. For example: (highlighted in bold is the actual response, in red is my insults)



Of course you also think that Juche and Dengism are totally natural and that Kim Il Sung and Deng were merely bowing down to Marxism ("material conditions") by adopting them. So much for your opposition to opportunism.

Me in response:


You're lack of an understanding of materialism is sickening.

Was Ghengis Khan bowing to Marxism because his actions were reflections of material conditions? Marxism does not equal material conditions, and acting on behalf of them is certainly not a choice or a mere expression of will (as a marxist).

You idealist fool. Crawl back in your Hoxha FuckCave and piss off

Clearly, you ignored my point as a whole, and dismissed it as a mere insult. You miss the very essence of my post, which, was hardly an insult.

We shall take another example:

in response, you said, ignoring the whole post:


Your apologia for Juche and Dengism is far worse than anything I could say.

And I said, in response to such rubbish, (while, acknowledging you are a troll).


You're a troll is all.

Some of the most horrendous of crimes were done in response of material and social conditions. Instead I blame the conditions in which Kings even exist, rather than blaming the individual actions of a king, or their perversions of christianity.

Moralist fucker....

I think I should bring the issue to the BA, you're constant accusatuons of me being a Dengist and a Juche-sympathizer (restrictable offenses) show a lot about the nature of your motivation in regards to you being a mod.

But your puny, incompident mind cannot handle the theoretical strength of Orthodox Marxism, so it's easy to understand why you'd call me something within the constraint of your own thinking. Much like how conservatives call me a Liberal, when discovering I'm a communist.

Go crawl back in your class collaborationist, nationalist, Bourgeois Islamist-asslicking hole, you hoxhaist fuck.

There it was, a post that addressed your bullshit claims accordingly. But, in all his (Ismail's) knowledge, he replied with this awe-aspiring, theoretically powerful post:


One more post like that and I will hand out an infraction for flaming.

:crying: poor little baby can't handle my posts. Really, how do you take yourself seriously?




You claimed that Albania "deviated" from Marxism-Leninism in five different ways,

This is a lie. I claimed that, in the same way you criticize the Soviet Union, China, etc. for deviating from Marxism Leninism, similar analysis could be said about Albania.


and never listed those differences.

I don't think Stalin would have ever compromised with American Imperialism in order to combat a fellow Capital-Socialist country, I don't think the Soviet Union in it's period of "Marxism Leninism" would have, even Stalin himself, even consider adopting such Bourgeois-Idealist thought, that is Anti Revisionism. Stalin was a bastard, but at least he was, many times, a consistent materialist, theoretically. Hoxha attributes the revision of Ideas to the downfall of whole civilizations and empires. This would be laughable, for a "Marxist" to say such rubbish, in most circles.


Marxist-Leninists, by contrast, have always paid close attention to the objective material conditions, not turned them into a way to justify revisionism from Juche to Dengism and Gorbachev's Perestroika policies.


yes, because Gorbachev, Juche and Dengism just came out of no where and were not reflections of material and social conditions. They were a result of evil men, who have corrupted a pure, holy system of socialist perfection, that was not already rotting down the shitter. If we have pure Ideas(no revisionism), perhaps material conditions will morph themselves to our liking, after all, the material world depends on our Ideas and thoughts, right? Err.... Oh wait, I'm a Dialectical Materialist, not a Hoxhaist assclown (:ohmy: did I upset the poor baby by insulting him? I'm sorry!)

http://marxists.org/glossary/terms/i/d.htm#idealism

[The Stalinator]

As reported (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201201/news18/20120118-12ee.html) by the KCNA:
But Enver Hoxha however had 71 volumes worth of published Vepra (collected works), 23 volumes of published diaries, 3 volumes of published letters and 7 volumes of memoirs, thus beating Kim Il Sung with 104 volumes in terms of complete collections, plus more of his collected works and diaries were to be published except publication ceased in 1990.

NO MORTAL CAN DEFEAT HOXHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

http://i44.tinypic.com/2vu0az5.gif

:star3::star3::star3::star3::star3:glory 2 comradde hoxksa:star3::star3::star3::star3::star3:

[Ismail]

This is a lie. I claimed that, in the same way you criticize the Soviet Union, China, etc. for deviating from Marxism Leninism, similar analysis could be said about Albania.Very well, let's hear about this "similar analysis" that can be made of Albania.


yes, because Gorbachev, Juche and Dengism just came out of no where and were not reflections of material and social conditions.Racism is a reflection of the material and social conditions which prosper under capitalism. So is homophobia. Are you saying that Arab, African and Latin American revolutionaries must expose the dreaded black-homosexualist threat and carry out mass executions in accordance with apparently insurmountable "material conditions"? I thought the whole point of Marxism was that one now had an actually scientific outlook and way of examining the world, events and phenomena, and to not be slaves of apparently unknowable "material conditions"?

Of course Juche has origins in the material conditions. I never said it didn't. My point, however, is that there was plenty of opposition to Juche within the WPK in the 50's, mainly because merging Korean family cults and elements of Korean mythology are not what Marxists are supposed to be doing. Of course when I mentioned this to you, you simply wrote off those who opposed Kim Il Sung as apparently horrible opportunists who did not see what Kim Il Sung saw, which was a correct grasping of the "material conditions."

Dengism and Gorbachev's Perestroika were just "counter-revolutions within the counter-revolutions," as Hoxha and Albanian articles noted at the time. "Material conditions" had little to do with it outside of them justifying what they did based on a distortion of the "material conditions." There wasn't an absence of a proletariat or anything that could be used to even justify opportunism. They were reactionaries, they wanted to restore capitalism and end any real remaining gains of socialism and would benefit much more so by doing this than by not doing it. Both faced active opposition, such as the Soviet "hardliners" of Grigory Romanov and Ligachev, and in Deng's case the more "moderate" Hua Guofeng, not to mention the Gang of Four which represented the "left."

This is why I call you apologists for Juche, Deng, Gorbachev and others, because you seek to legitimize them and to apparently demonstrate that they were merely heeding the call of history rather than distorting beyond all recognition the scientific tenets of Marxism-Leninism.

If Kim Il Sung had been born in, say, 1600's Korea, when there was no proletariat, you'd have a perfectly valid point, especially since Kim couldn't actually be a Marxist since Marxism and a scientific analysis of history (historical materialism) didn't actually exist, thus we could see Juche in those times as an ideology of a peasant leader reflecting the narrowness of his views, leading a progressive peasant rebellion or something of the sort, in a situation where the material conditions actually precluded anything more. Except he instead was born and lived in a time of proletarian revolutions, of capitalism and imperialism, when historical and dialectical materialism were developed, and when he himself was an avowed Marxist-Leninist until the 50's when he decided to mythologize his own role and to downplay the Soviet Union's role in Korea, and from there to gradually remove Marxism-Leninism as an ideology.


(To take away the symbolic illusions, he essentially supported the Muhajadeen against what could have been progress for Afghanistan).Yeah, Afghanistan could have continued to be a neo-colony of the USSR. Apparently Brezhnev and Co. were continuing the wonderful traditions of Cecil Rhodes and others throughout 19th Century Africa who sought to civilize the dreaded barbarians. That's the norm for colonialist and imperialist superpowers, not Marxist-Leninists.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

You know, I could see some Chit Chat Love Poetry coming out of this.

Oh baby, you're the Ismail to my Rafiq ...
This waltz ties us together
Although you won't admit defeat ...

[Agent Ducky]

You know, I could see some Chit Chat Love Poetry coming out of this.

Oh baby, you're the Ismail to my Rafiq ...
This waltz ties us together
Although you won't admit defeat ...

Ismail/Rafiq SLASH FICTION?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5l7M0W1Hf_BPofiGvcdJ8X51ojKIl6 dILbXvGaAYASdQpTLdnrLwY_p36
Still can't tell if it would be worse than Stalin/Hoxha slash fiction that I assume Ismail writes/reads in his spare time.

Also, this thread is awesome.

[The Stalinator]

Ismail/Rafiq SLASH FICTION?

http://i40.tinypic.com/qzmcmx.jpg

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Ismail/Rafiq SLASH FICTION?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5l7M0W1Hf_BPofiGvcdJ8X51ojKIl6 dILbXvGaAYASdQpTLdnrLwY_p36
Still can't tell if it would be worse than Stalin/Hoxha slash fiction that I assume Ismail writes/reads in his spare time.

Also, this thread is awesome.
Not exactly slash fiction. I was thinking more along the lines of love poetry inspired by Rafiq and Ismail's feud. Not trying to insult either of them, I just think it's funny.

[The Stalinator]

Not exactly slash fiction. I was thinking more along the lines of love poetry inspired by Rafiq and Ismail's feud. Not trying to insult either of them, I just think it's funny.

love poetry as in romantic poetry
or EROTIC POETRY?

http://i39.tinypic.com/2pdds.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

Not exactly slash fiction. I was thinking more along the lines of love poetry inspired by Rafiq and Ismail's feud. Not trying to insult either of them, I just think it's funny.

Well, go with that. The results will probably almost as hilarious as these 2 fighting.

[Prometeo liberado]

hoxha.... even in chit chat..
For some reason I read this and had a picture in my head of a dejected person bereft of air and shaking their head. AND LAUGHED MY ASS OFF!

[ColonelCossack]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2vu0az5.gif




WHERE DID YOU GET THAT I must knowwwwww..............

[The Stalinator]

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT I must knowwwwww..............

i follow a lot of "1990's internet on LSD" blogs on tumblr and one of them posted that