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Sixiang
7th February 2012, 22:14
Hello scientific people of revleft. I request your help and information.

I am taking a class called Biodiversity, Conservation, and Development. It's an interdisciplinary class taught by a Biology professor working with evolutionary ecology (let me just say that he's a badass who trolls the creationists like a boss). Anyways, we're supposed to be working on a big research project throughout the semester within our majors. I'm a history major myself and want to do something historical. So I'm going to be writing up a 10 page essay at the end after I compile all this information and put it together.

So I want to do something with Darwin's findings and evolution because I am interested in it. I'm throwing ideas out at my professor and he helps guide me but I really need to narrow it down to something specific.

Here are the ideas we're looking at:
-Take a specific concept, idea, or point in the Origin of Species and see how it has been studied, researched, tested, interpretated, and maybe even changed over time. Maybe something involving natural selection and how since then scientists have defined and worked with it.
-See how politicians, sociologists, and philosophers have used Darwin's findings to support their ideologies. For example, that disgusting ideology Social Darwinism that the capitalists love to use to justify their actions, the nazis had some stuff about how the Germans were the most highly evolved people and Jewish people are the parasites of the Earth that must be destroyed (ironically parasites play an important part in biodiversity and evolutionary ecology), and communists have talked about how evolution helps prove dialectical materialism and have applied it to society moving forward and upward in a sort of "evolutionary" path.
-Something about the relationship between Marx, Engels, and Darwin (and maybe other contemporary scientists) and how evolution has been a part of communist thinking.

So, does anyone know of any books that I can read that will help me with this? Are there any books on the relationship between Marx and Darwin? Are there any good books that sum up how political ideologies have interpreted and tried to adopt Darwin's findings? I could really use a lot of help because biology is not my expertise at all but this can be a great thing to research.

Thank you for all your time, help, advice, and information.

MustCrushCapitalism
8th February 2012, 02:56
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

Completely disgusting, but should probably be mentioned as a corruption of Darwin's ideas.

Ostrinski
8th February 2012, 03:08
Seemed like Marx employed a bit of Darwinian influence in his assertion that ruling classes lose their power upon being unable to adapt to shifting material conditions and thus rendering class antagonisms irreconcilable, and thus presenting the historic necessity for class war, transition of class power, and by extension, societal change.

CommunityBeliever
8th February 2012, 03:47
"Just as Darwin put an end to the view of animal and plant species being unconnected, fortuitous, ‘created by God’ and immutable, and was the first to put biology on an absolutely scientific basis by establishing the mutability and the succession of species, so Marx put an end to the view of society being a mechanical aggregation of individuals which allows for all sorts of modification at the will of the authorities (or, if you like, at the will of society and the government) and which emerges and changes casually, and was the first to put sociology on a scientific basis by establishing the concept of the economic formation of society as the sum-total of given production relations, by establishing the fact that the development of such formations is a process of natural history." - Lenin

Sixiang
9th February 2012, 04:06
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

Completely disgusting, but should probably be mentioned as a corruption of Darwin's ideas.
I was planning on doing that. I'm thinking about contrasting Marxist interpretation of evolution and Social Darwinist (and thus ultra-right-wing objectivist capitalist, fascism, and nazism). I just really need sources on this. I need book recommendations from anyone.


"Just as Darwin put an end to the view of animal and plant species being unconnected, fortuitous, ‘created by God’ and immutable, and was the first to put biology on an absolutely scientific basis by establishing the mutability and the succession of species, so Marx put an end to the view of society being a mechanical aggregation of individuals which allows for all sorts of modification at the will of the authorities (or, if you like, at the will of society and the government) and which emerges and changes casually, and was the first to put sociology on a scientific basis by establishing the concept of the economic formation of society as the sum-total of given production relations, by establishing the fact that the development of such formations is a process of natural history." - Lenin
What is the source, please?

Lee Van Cleef
9th February 2012, 04:35
What is the source, please?

It is from What the “Friends of the People” Are and How They Fight the Social-Democrats (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1894/friends/01.htm#v01zz99h-131-GUESS), 16th paragraph of Part I.

It's one of Lenin's very first works, from 1894.

Sixiang
13th February 2012, 17:08
It is from What the “Friends of the People” Are and How They Fight the Social-Democrats (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1894/friends/01.htm#v01zz99h-131-GUESS), 16th paragraph of Part I.

It's one of Lenin's very first works, from 1894.
Thank you. I think I'm going to end up contrasting the different uses and interpretations of Darwinism and evolution by communists, social Darwinists, fascists, capitalists, and whoever else I can find throughout history. Thanks for the first step, people. Any recommendations for books that sum up the history of social Darwinism and its theory would be greatly appreciated still.

Sasha
13th February 2012, 17:26
The writer is anything but a marxist but Frans de Waal's "the age of empathy" is a excellent demolition of social-darwinist survival of the egoist b.s.
http://www.emory.edu/LIVING_LINKS/empathy/

Mr. Natural
14th February 2012, 14:18
Siren Bang, Your OP has apparently uncovered a gap in Marxist history and theory: there appears to be no work on Marx's and Engels' appreciation of Darwin and the relation of evolution to historical materialism. I was hoping your post would produce a reference to such a work.

I'm "red-green," and am intensely interested in such matters, but my little library only produced one worthwhile reference for you: Jean-Guy Vaillancourt's essay, "Marxism and Ecology," found in Ted Benton ed. Greening of Marxism (1996).

This essay, in a book I have lots of probems with, has three pages on Marx's and Engels' opinions of Darwin and evolution, and the entire essay speaks to the original Marxists' take on natural affairs.

After you've done your homework, Siren Bang, please write us that book we're missing.

Rafiq
18th February 2012, 02:27
Darwin's field of study did not reach the study of economics and politics. Whatever political views he carried (like Freud) are, in the end, irrelevant to his over all contribution to the development of Materialist thought. Darwin was a brilliant man, and is even comparable to Marx in many ways. It's foolish to dismiss him, because of the politically motivated bastardization of his works in the early 20th century.

Sixiang
24th February 2012, 19:31
Siren Bang, Your OP has apparently uncovered a gap in Marxist history and theory: there appears to be no work on Marx's and Engels' appreciation of Darwin and the relation of evolution to historical materialism. I was hoping your post would produce a reference to such a work.

I'm "red-green," and am intensely interested in such matters, but my little library only produced one worthwhile reference for you: Jean-Guy Vaillancourt's essay, "Marxism and Ecology," found in Ted Benton ed. Greening of Marxism (1996).

This essay, in a book I have lots of probems with, has three pages on Marx's and Engels' opinions of Darwin and evolution, and the entire essay speaks to the original Marxists' take on natural affairs.

After you've done your homework, Siren Bang, please write us that book we're missing.
I'll probably share my findings on the site when I'm done. I'm going to be working on it quite a bit. And Marx and Engels did occasionaly mention Darwin. You can find that just by searching "Darwin" under the Marx-Engels collection on MIA. I just need to sift through it all and write a cohesive report on it.