HAS ANYONE HERE EVEN LIVED UNDER COMMUNIST RULE?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

All this little talk about how great communism is....well then....let me ask you aall this. And I don't want aany CRAP about how all of a sudden EVERYONE has lived under a communist dictatorship! its time to "man-up", boys!

Who here has actually LIVED under communist rule? Tell me...WHO of you big-talkers has LIVED under communist rule?! Of those of you that HAVE (I doubt ANY of you guys have), WHERE are you living now, and WHY did you leave such a "wonderful" government?

Who among you all has an actual Family member who fought IN and FOR the cuban revolution?? Only to be betrayed by castro himself?

Remember, I don't want any BS about how everyone here has all of a sudden, lived under communism's oppressive grip! Think about it loooong and hard...it may just be a trick question!

[canikickit]

Don't you understand simple forum directions? Obviously this belongs in Opposing Idealogies.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Opposing Ideologies? Can you NOT answer a simple question of mine? how is this "opposing" if I am simply trying to assertain WHO among you actually KNOWS of what they speak?!

[Pete]

It is impossible for one to live under 'communist rule.'

[kylie]

According to some of those crazy right wingers, yes, i am currently living in the socialist commie liberal UK

[canikickit]

The tone of your post demonstrates that you are opposed to communism in any form. It's pretty simple.
You can have your questions answered in this forum. It's great, you don't even have to shout.

[Soul Rebel]

man, why dont you just chill. people will start to answer. it takes time, there are other threads people are checking out.

[Goldfinger]

SHUT THE FUCK UP CASTRO SUCKS

[Intifada]

SHUT THE FUCK UP CASTRO SUCKS

YEAH! SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 05:47 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP CASTRO SUCKS
Yes...NOW you're talking! Thanks for agreeing with me!!

[Intifada]

crazypete said it best...


It is impossible for one to live under 'communist rule.'

[Xvall]

CAPITALIZING ever OTHER word INSIDE of YOUR post DOES not SEEM to BE helping YOUR infantile ARGUMENTS!

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 22 2003, 06:35 PM
CAPITALIZING ever OTHER word INSIDE of YOUR post DOES not SEEM to BE helping YOUR infantile ARGUMENTS!
Learn proper grammar before posting please

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 22 2003, 07:35 PM
CAPITALIZING ever OTHER word INSIDE of YOUR post DOES not SEEM to BE helping YOUR infantile ARGUMENTS!
THAT'S RIGHT! WHIP IT ALL OUT! GO ALL THE WAY!

[Pete]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 22 2003, 01:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 22 2003, 01:39 PM)
Drake [email protected] 22 2003, 06:35 PM
CAPITALIZING ever OTHER word INSIDE of YOUR post DOES not SEEM to BE helping YOUR infantile ARGUMENTS&#33;
Learn proper grammar before posting please [/b]
Okay. Stop lording over us. You may have a superiority complex, but that means nothing when it comes to the reality of the situation. There are no grammar errors that I can see within Dhul&#39;s post. Actually, your posts with multiple exclaimation marks show inproper grammar: it is incorrect to have mulitple punctuation marks after a statement.

As far as I am concerned, if you are here to troll you might as well leave. Trolling is counterproductive to whatever point you want to make. If you want to tell us something or debate with us it requires some level of maturity. Caps shows inmaturity, and creating threads with no point to them that show you do not understand the theory you are trying to critique does little to aid you.

Say something worth reading and replying too, and we will reply to your arguements. It is as simple as that. I am sure that many other message boards operate on similiar principles, which are of course unwritten.

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 22 2003, 06:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 22 2003, 06:56 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 05:47 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP CASTRO SUCKS
Yes...NOW you&#39;re talking&#33; Thanks for agreeing with me&#33;&#33; [/b]
Quoted for hilarity

[Ortega]

Castro_Sucks can say whatever the fuck he wants...

but be careful Castro_Sucks... youre on the way to getting banned...

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 06:56 PM
Castro_Sucks can say whatever the fuck he wants...

but be careful Castro_Sucks... youre on the way to getting banned...
Comrade Zapata: Thank you. You and a few other here are the only ones I will bother responding to. You seem quite educated and open-minded.

If speaking my mind and challenging the majority shall get me banned, then so be it. Is that NOT the essence of the word "Revolutionary"? Adherent to revolutionary doctrines.

[nezvanova]

well, i&#39;m actually going to take the time to humour this person and answer his question: I personally have never lived "under communist rule" as you put it, but my father was born and raised in communist Chzechoslovakia. He found it oppressive, and dangerous, and risked his life to get out from under the iron curtain, BUT he harbours no hatred towards Che and Castro. He speaks very highly of them. He encourages me in my studies of them. He left Czechoslovakia in 1968, a year after Che died. He and his friend were greatly saddened when they heard of Che&#39;s death on radio free europe.

I also should add that I do not express any particular liking or dis-liking of the communist system. I don&#39;t understand enough about it to really have an opinion. I&#39;ve started reading the communist manifesto, but I still don&#39;t know much about it. But I&#39;m well read on Che, and I like him. I know right-wingers who like Che as much as I do, and I know left-wingers who hate him as much as you seem to. I would never claim to understand politics, but I, and many others, admire Che for what he did. I plan to see Cuba for myself before I make an opinion about it.

I can see that you&#39;re trying to make a point that you believe in, but aren&#39;t finding the most diplomatic way to do it. You&#39;ve jumped right into the middle of a large group of Che and Castro supporters and tried to change our thoughts on something many of us beleive in. But you&#39;ve made all the wrong moves. You should&#39;ve tried to be more subtle instead of coming right out with you "CASTRO_SUCKS" name, and you&#39;re insulting comments about Che. If you&#39;re trying to make us really beleive something, you&#39;ve done it the wrong way.

[Desert Fox]

Nope, spended all my life under a capitalistic rule. A bloody shame really, since variation makes you live ;)

[Saint-Just]

There are people here and have been people here who have lived under socialism. The majority of people who visit this site are young westerners.

Has anyone here lived under capitalism? Got anything bad to say about it?

Most of us have heard people&#39;s experiences of living in socialist countries, we have heard good and bad stories. But to really have a good idea you need to study the experience of many people, not simply a handful. I don&#39;t think your question will achieve much.

[Urban Rubble]

Listen dude, in the other thread I saw you in, you were trying to get people to be adults and not insult each other. Well, you&#39;ve started a very condesceding, juvenile post insulting all of us. Debate if you want, but only be a dick if someone is a dick to you. Also, change your signature because it only makes you look like a closeminded dickhead.

As for living in a communist country ? One has never existed, but I have never lived under Socialism. However, my girlfriends parents lived in Cambodia under POL POT. The craziest, most brutal communist dictator of all time. Much of their family was killed, but you know what, they never lost faith in communism. You see, unlike you, they realize that one man who fucks up is not the embodiement of communism. O.K, sure, if you think Castro is an evil man, fine, but he didn&#39;t "invent" the theory of communism. The theory of communism is pure, and if put into place would be paradise, you cannot blame communism for what one regime has done. That is idiocy. That would be like me saying Capitalism is evil simply because Hitler and Saddam were Capitalists. Isn&#39;t fair is it ?

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 22 2003, 07:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 22 2003, 07:26 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 06:56 PM
Castro_Sucks can say whatever the fuck he wants...

but be careful Castro_Sucks... youre on the way to getting banned...
Comrade Zapata: Thank you. You and a few other here are the only ones I will bother responding to. You seem quite educated and open-minded.

If speaking my mind and challenging the majority shall get me banned, then so be it. Is that NOT the essence of the word "Revolutionary"? Adherent to revolutionary doctrines. [/b]
how can he be educated if hes swearing? didnt you say that vulgar people were not educated people?

***this is in no way an insult to you zapata***

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 05:29 PM
its time to "man-up", boys&#33;
It&#39;s stupid to discuss with someone like you who has this angry-cappie-pseudorebel, son of a rich capitalist thief, brainwashed, hitler-wannabe teen style.


Who here has actually LIVED under communist rule? Tell me...WHO of you big-talkers has LIVED under communist rule?&#33; Of those of you that HAVE (I doubt ANY of you guys have), WHERE are you living now, and WHY did you leave such a "wonderful" government?

Well, how can there be communism? Those who tried to live under real communism are probably dead or killed by a bunch of fascists like you. Where I live we suffered all the types of capitalism, and our country is a disaster now...I think that real fact is already enough to think on a different way.


You seem quite educated and open-minded.

If speaking my mind and challenging the majority shall get me banned, then so be it. Is that NOT the essence of the word "Revolutionary"? Adherent to revolutionary doctrines.

That&#39;s fun because you haven&#39;t showed to be like that yourself.

[Bolshevika]

I know many people who have lived in socialist Cuba and PRC. They have mixed opinions.

Let me tell you what I do live under: capitalism. And it is oppressive, I know because I live under it.

[El Brujo]

If cretines like "Castro Sucks" knew jack shit about Marxist theory, they would know that nobody has and nobody ever will live under "communist rule." The definition of communism is a "world-wide class-less and state-less society." A society cannot live under rule of a state (much less a dictatorship) if it is communist, hence a "communist dictatorship" is an oxymoron. There are, however, socialist states which follow the Marxist path.

Anyhow, to answer your moronic question, I have friends who lived in Nicaragua under the Sandinistas and they liked it (apart from the fact that Contras were always a threat. That&#39;s not "communism&#39;s" fault is it?).

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 02:26 PM
If speaking my mind and challenging the majority shall get me banned, then so be it. Is that NOT the essence of the word "Revolutionary"? Adherent to revolutionary doctrines.
It&#39;s true you know. Che tolerated, and even welcomed those with different opinions than his. If all of you really want to follow in Che&#39;s example, you have to stay open-minded and welcome those with different opinions. Castro_Sucks has good reasons for hating Castro. If you were in his position I can guarantee that all of you would. Please, try to see this from another point of view. Try to forget your bias for a minute and listen to Castro_Sucks. He has good points, and good things to say.
And Admins - Don&#39;t ban him just for speaking his mind. He hasn&#39;t done anything so bad. If Castro_Sucks is banned, assuming that he hasnt done anything worse than he already has, it will prove once and for all that Che-Lives is a completely biased, close-minded group of fascists. I&#39;m not saying that it is now. There are a lot of great, open-minded people here, which is why I like it. But to not allow someone like Castro_Sucks to speak his mind would without a doubt go completely against the morals, ideas, and teachings of el Che.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[synthesis]

Unfortunately, CASTRO SUCKS, the majority of Cubans oppose your pro-fascist delusions.

http://www.marxmail.org/facts/cuba_gallup.htm

[Ortega]

Dyer_Maker, and the rest of the Che-Lives members who will not even have an open-minded discussion with Castro_Sucks, you have no idea what life in Cuba is really like, or what the people really think. I, even though I have never even been able to visit Cuba (though I hope to soon), have known people whose families were killed or jailed by Fidel. Some of them are even still Castro supporters, but are afraid to stay in Cuba. If we were in Cuba right now, and speaking out against the government like we speak out against the U.S. on Che-Lives, we would all be in jail, if not dead. Castro is an amazing leader, and was once an amazing person, but many of the people in Cuba would agree with me when I say that life as a dissident, or even someone slightly unhappy with the government, is a nightmare. Many of us are dissidents against our government, and we&#39;re not even bothered.
I am in no way a supporter of the United States of America, and I am not especially anti-Castro or Cuba. But do you honestly think that any unhappy Cuban would actually answer truthfully on that poll? Think about it...

-Comrade_Zapata

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Other than Comrade Zapata&#39;s and a few others, I&#39;ve totally ignored all the other close-minded ridiculous posts.

You don&#39;t want to answer my question truthfully, without resorting to diversionary and desperate tactics like insults, then I won&#39;t bother responding. If the rest of you know so much about Communism, Marxism, Castro and what it is to actually LIVE under the thumb of TRUE communist o p p r e s s i o n, then by all means I WELCOME the debate&#33; TEACH me without the anger. I challenge you&#33; A few of you have already displayed your patience, intelligence and manners. Why can&#39;t the rest of you do the same??

[Iepilei]

Certainly you anticipated some form of retaliation against your comments, user-name, and signature. Very few people take direct-insults lying down. I believe in karma, friend. You brought it all on yourself.

Anyways, to answer your question: No, I haven&#39;t lived under a self-proclaimed "communist" rule before. However, I do know people who have. I have some good friends from Russia, and have spoken with people from Cuba, Vietnam, and China about their homelands. My friends from Russia were born and lived in Leningrad and Moscow. Politically, they&#39;re centrist, but they did admit that the state of Russia&#39;s affairs was far better under Soviet rule. Ironically, many of their familly members fled capitalism following the coup of 91.

Everyone has their own opinions on their homelands. Judging from what we&#39;ve heard from you, it&#39;s more of a personal vendetta against Castro rather any qualm with the concept of socialism. Perhaps I&#39;m wrong. Everyone I&#39;ve spoken with about such nations didn&#39;t speak down on them. Maybe it&#39;s because they&#39;ve been "brainwashed" by the evil "communist mind control plot" which also is responsible for the growing hole in the ozone layer, the challenger explosion, armed robbery, and the gum disease known as gingivitis.

It&#39;s rather hard to tell at times. ;)

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 12:01 AM
Certainly you anticipated some form of retaliation against your comments, user-name, and signature.
Anticipated and welcomed it. In the twenty-something posts I&#39;ve written, I&#39;ve already weeded out those that are not worth talking to, those that have no other argument but "communism rules&#33;" and those few that are willing to enrich their minds and those of others with different beliefs in an intelligent, civil manner.

I&#39;m going out for a "Cuba Libre" oops, I meant Rum and Coke. ;) I&#39;ll see you all tomorrow eve. I&#39;d really like to discuss some things with a few of you, and won&#39;t mind answering any pertinent questions any of you may have of my experiences with the castro regime. Maybe both parties will walk away a little more enlightened.

[Iepilei]

Enrich their minds. That&#39;s delightful. You make it sound as if the world just allows the submerging of one&#39;s thought in Marxist theory. I know I certainly wasn&#39;t raised praising the notions of socialism. Infact I was quite the avid &#39;patriot&#39; at one point in my life. Hmm, sweet irony. Perhaps it is not myself, nor the thoughts of those here on these forums who need &#39;enrichment&#39; - but your own?

If you want to debate logically and rationally about anything, why don&#39;t you start by suggesting a topic of debate, rather than waste bandwidth casting insults into the wind?

Cheers.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 07:32 PM
Enrich their minds. That&#39;s delightful. You make it sound as if the world just allows the submerging of one&#39;s thought in Marxist theory. I know I certainly wasn&#39;t raised praising the notions of socialism. Infact I was quite the avid &#39;patriot&#39; at one point in my life. Hmm, sweet irony. Perhaps it is not myself, nor the thoughts of those here on these forums who need &#39;enrichment&#39; - but your own?

If you want to debate logically and rationally about anything, why don&#39;t you start by suggesting a topic of debate, rather than waste bandwidth casting insults into the wind?

Cheers.
Iepilei -
Maybe it&#39;s just me, but it seems to me like Castro_Sucks can greatly contribute to Che-Lives and enrich our minds. It seems to me that only a few, if any of us, have ever lived under oppression, specifically "socialist" oppression. Castro_Sucks has, and however biased he is against Castro, he is no more biased than the rest of you are for Castro. I think it could even out pretty well...
Castro_Sucks, I, if no one else, would like to hear about your experiences in Cuba. Maybe explaining them will help a few of the other Che-Livers understand your point of view. Trust me, Comrades, it is a valid one.
At the very least, listen to Comrade Castro_Sucks with an open mind. And keep in mind that his bias is just as strong, if not much less, than your bias. Just because he has a different point of view - don&#39;t attack everything he says. Just give him a chance. I&#39;m sick of saying this.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Iepilei]

It would be easier to listen objectively if they stated their point. From my perspective, it&#39;s the same tripe we&#39;ve heard over and over from the votaries of right-wing capitalism. "We&#39;re wrong" / "Blind" / "Closed-Minded" etc...

I&#39;ve studied capitalism. I&#39;ve lived in America, I&#39;ve beared witness to it&#39;s flaws. It&#39;s taken me several years to formulate the opinions I have now, and I&#39;ll be god-damned if some idiot blathering insulting remarks and telling some sob-story which could have easily been fabricated by a 5-year-old, take precedence over that&#33;

If they wish to engage in the philosophical activity of argument, they should learn how to incite - not inflame.

Cheers.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 02:29 AM
It would be easier to listen objectively if they stated their point. From my perspective, it&#39;s the same tripe we&#39;ve heard over and over from the votaries of right-wing capitalism. "We&#39;re wrong" / "Blind" / "Closed-Minded" etc........and I&#39;ll be god-damned if some idiot blathering insulting remarks and telling some sob-story which could have easily been fabricated by a 5-year-old, take precedence over that&#33;


Wow..there goes YOU&#39;RE credibility&#33; Thanks for opening my eyes.

[canikickit]

Ihopeyoufuckingdieyoufuckingpieceofshit&#33;

[canikickit]

But it was never made clear to whom that was directed to, and who said it originally.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 22 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 22 2003, 10:33 PM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 02:29 AM
It would be easier to listen objectively if they stated their point. From my perspective, it&#39;s the same tripe we&#39;ve heard over and over from the votaries of right-wing capitalism. "We&#39;re wrong" / "Blind" / "Closed-Minded" etc........and I&#39;ll be god-damned if some idiot blathering insulting remarks and telling some sob-story which could have easily been fabricated by a 5-year-old, take precedence over that&#33;


Wow..there goes YOU&#39;RE credibility&#33; Thanks for opening my eyes. [/b]
You lost your credibility long before you even joined this board, I fear.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 10:33 PM
Dyer_Maker, and the rest of the Che-Lives members who will not even have an open-minded discussion with Castro_Sucks, you have no idea what life in Cuba is really like, or what the people really think.
I provided a poll that reports that the majority of Cubans support Castro, and therefore any action taken against him is anti-democratic. Castro&#39;s people support him - and unless you can provide any evidence that the results of this poll are skewed somehow, your rhetorical questions mean absolutely nothing.

You two are the ones choosing to ignore the data that I provided - not the other way around&#33;

[Iepilei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 02:33 AM
Wow..there goes YOU&#39;RE credibility&#33; Thanks for opening my eyes.
yes, there goes MY ARE credibility.

come back when you have a point.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 03:03 AM
I provided a poll that reports that the majority of Cubans support Castro, and therefore any action taken against him is anti-democratic. Castro&#39;s people support him - and unless you can provide any evidence that the results of this poll are skewed somehow, your rhetorical questions mean absolutely nothing.


DATA?&#33;&#33;&#33; DATA?&#33; This "data" of which you speak..from who&#39;s MOUTH did this come from? Who compiled this "data"?&#33;

As if the people of cuba had any CHOICE but to say they are FOR castro&#33; Let them say anything to the contrary&#33; Let them speak against their government&#33; Take your blinders off&#33;

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 03:05 AM
yes, there goes MY ARE credibility.

come back when you have a point.


I&#39;m still waiting patiently for yours&#33;

PS-"there goes MY ARE credibility"?? huh?

[Pete]

He was commenting on your bad grammar.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

WOW..what a way to stay ON TOPIC with this one&#33; From communist experiences to grammar&#33; Good argument&#33;

[Iepilei]

I responded to your question in a civil mannerism, initially. It was a question asking if we had lived under communist rule, and I said I hadn&#39;t but I knew people who had.

You, however, seem to have disregarded that.

I&#39;m not here to provoke or intimidate you. I&#39;m simply asking if you have something you wish to discuss here in OI, then make a post (preferably without insults) and then defend it. As it stands now, this post has gone to hell in a handbasket and it&#39;s a mixed bag of "who&#39;s fault" it may be.

I&#39;m saying we wipe the slate clean and start over. Create a post, calmly detailing your argument, and defend it. I&#39;m not saying I don&#39;t want you here, hell, I love debating with people; but you have to HAVE something to debate with.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

DEAL&#33; I&#39;ll start a new thread&#33;

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 10:18 PM
As if the people of cuba had any CHOICE but to say they are FOR castro&#33; Let them say anything to the contrary&#33; Let them speak against their government&#33; Take your blinders off&#33;
Exactly&#33;
Can any of you, besides Castro_Sucks, take the veil off your eyes for one minute and see this from a different point of view???
Castro_Sucks knows more about the Cuban people and what they think about Fidel than any of you or any poll that you may discover. I&#39;m just asking for a fair discussion.
And Castro_Sucks, you really dont need to start a new thread.

Hasta siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Iepilei]

I would think it would be for the better, as many people seem to avoid posts after the reach a certain point.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by Comrade_Zapata+Nov 22 2003, 05:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Comrade_Zapata @ Nov 22 2003, 05:00 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 02:26 PM
If speaking my mind and challenging the majority shall get me banned, then so be it. Is that NOT the essence of the word "Revolutionary"? Adherent to revolutionary doctrines.
It&#39;s true you know. Che tolerated, and even welcomed those with different opinions than his. If all of you really want to follow in Che&#39;s example, you have to stay open-minded and welcome those with different opinions. Castro_Sucks has good reasons for hating Castro. If you were in his position I can guarantee that all of you would. Please, try to see this from another point of view. Try to forget your bias for a minute and listen to Castro_Sucks. He has good points, and good things to say.
And Admins - Don&#39;t ban him just for speaking his mind. He hasn&#39;t done anything so bad. If Castro_Sucks is banned, assuming that he hasnt done anything worse than he already has, it will prove once and for all that Che-Lives is a completely biased, close-minded group of fascists. I&#39;m not saying that it is now. There are a lot of great, open-minded people here, which is why I like it. But to not allow someone like Castro_Sucks to speak his mind would without a doubt go completely against the morals, ideas, and teachings of el Che.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata [/b]
that sounds great, but i got restricted for doing nothing wrong...just because people didn&#39;t agree with me...i have been very polite the entire time...i don&#39;t want to post in all the sections and "disrupt." just certain portions that interest me...oh well, what to do?

[New Tolerance]

Well, I&#39;ve lived under Communist rule for 10 years in China and believe it or not, there is actually more freedom of expression there than people believe. Back then I was a right winged nationalist (ironically that&#39;s the way the communists taught me to be), and so were alot of people I knew. We openly critisized the Communist government in public (as in on the street, not in some back alley) for making our country weak and economically backward. I didn&#39;t get arrested, neither did any of those other people I knew. You are allowed to talk about the government in anyway you want, where ever you are, just as long as you don&#39;t actually try to overthrow the government. (or say that you are seriously planning to do it)

[Ortega]

China, however, has become practically a democracy with all of its reforms. It no longer follows Mao&#39;s principles.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 03:18 AM
DATA?&#33;&#33;&#33; DATA?&#33; This "data" of which you speak..from who&#39;s MOUTH did this come from? Who compiled this "data"?&#33;
Gallup took the data. Gallup is by no means pro-Leftist, they also recently published a poll saying that the majority of Americans supported the war in Iraq.


As if the people of cuba had any CHOICE but to say they are FOR castro&#33; Let them say anything to the contrary&#33; Let them speak against their government&#33; Take your blinders off&#33;

Oh, please. You can do better than that :rolleyes:

[New Tolerance]

I don&#39;t remember there being reforms concerning rights though.

(Tell me if this is otherwise)

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 11:46 PM
Gallup took the data. Gallup is by no means pro-Leftist, they also recently published a poll saying that the majority of Americans supported the war in Iraq.


And does that not prove that everything that gallup reports is completely wrong?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;

Comrade New Tolerance - I&#39;m not sure if there were any rights reforms. I don&#39;t know as much about China as I probably should - I know more about Latin America and Cuba. Look it up or ask someone and tell me if you get the chance.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[synthesis]

And does that not prove that everything that gallup reports is completely wrong?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;

Why would it? If they report that the American people support the war on Iraq, and then report that the Cuban people support Fidel Castro, that implies no bias at all.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 04:34 AM
...i got restricted for doing nothing wrong...just because people didn&#39;t agree with me...i have been very polite the entire time...i don&#39;t want to post in all the sections and "disrupt."....
Aahhhhh a little slice of communist life right here on my PC. People being banned for speaking their minds....walking on eggshells for fear of being outcast. I guess it&#39;s always nicer to be banned than jailed, eh?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 04:46 AM
Oh, please. You can do better than that :rolleyes:
As can you&#33;

[synthesis]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 23 2003, 05:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 23 2003, 05:22 AM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 04:46 AM
Oh, please. You can do better than that :rolleyes:
As can you&#33; [/b]
I don&#39;t need to. I&#39;ve already provided the evidence that the majority of Cubans don&#39;t want to be submitted to capitalist fascism. Your rebuttals thus far have been extremely weak and attempt to manipulate emotions and play off misconceptions rather than actually address logic and reason. You waste not only my time, but the time of the rest of the populace of this board. I have not seen you make a single remark that does not echo something I have heard dozens of times over and over again by jingoistic capitalists either on this board or in real life. You have proven yourself incapable and unworthy of mature debate.

You are not worth unrestriction by any reasonable viewpoint whatsoever.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

you guys are real idiots are you embarresed of the question, lets get to it

me, no

Mexico and The U.S.A. i have lived

[EneME]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 23 2003, 05:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 23 2003, 05:20 AM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 04:34 AM
...i got restricted for doing nothing wrong...just because people didn&#39;t agree with me...i have been very polite the entire time...i don&#39;t want to post in all the sections and "disrupt."....
Aahhhhh a little slice of communist life right here on my PC. People being banned for speaking their minds....walking on eggshells for fear of being outcast. I guess it&#39;s always nicer to be banned than jailed, eh? [/b]
I&#39;m not trying to be rude, but this is something alot of ppl get mixed up: do you know the difference between "Communism" and "Dictatorship"? It seems to me you have them mixed up. There has never been and never will be a true Communist nation in a Capitalist world. That&#39;s like trying to play Gin Rummy in the middle of a Poker game.... Communism as its meant to be is to live as a community, not to be motivated by greed. And I&#39;d like to respond to a comment you made about Cubans having to give up their lands and homes etc etc. Those were the Cubans who had way more then the poor.... I actually knew a lady who fled Cuba because they had taken away all of her multiple homes except one huge one that was made into a duplex. She had to then live among the poor, and she hated that so much that she fled. And why would Castro live lavishly if he took away his own fathers estates, as an example to the rest of the Cubans?

[flayer2]

Che lives is allowing the name CASTRO SUCKS?

[Ortega]

flayer2, I would like to think that for once the Administrators are opening their minds and allowing free speech from Castro_Sucks. And EneME, I see your point completely but what I think he&#39;s trying to say is that in Cuba, it is a dictatorship.

[Desert Fox]

Well we have more open minded admins, try to stay one day unbanned with a name as "hitler_is_a_fag" on *************** . This clearly states the diff with left and right in terms of freedom of speech :P

[Ortega]

True, true.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 05:54 AM
you guys are real idiots are you embarresed of the question, lets get to it

me, no

Mexico and The U.S.A. i have lived
Now THIS is what I&#39;m talking about&#33; Straight..Direct and to the point&#33; thanks El_Zapatista&#33;

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 10:12 AM
Che lives is allowing the name CASTRO SUCKS?
Is this the "Che-lives" community or the "Castro-lives" community?

[flayer2]

I&#39;m fairly new here myself but it isn&#39;t hard to see that Fidel Castro is immensely popular on this site. But I think you already knew that before you joined...

Personally I don&#39;t think it was a good name to pick if your intention is to debate an opposing view on castro but hey... thats just my opinion..

I hear you fox but I think censoring names is the least of stormfronts problems... :unsure:

[Ortega]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 23 2003, 02:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 23 2003, 02:51 PM)
[email protected] 23 2003, 10:12 AM
Che lives is allowing the name CASTRO SUCKS?
Is this the "Che-lives" community or the "Castro-lives" community? [/b]
Exactly. No one knows what Che would think of Castro were he still alive. I know that around the time of Camilo Cienfuegos&#39; dissapearance, Che was beginning to feel a little bit uneasy about Castro and his revolution.
Nice job, admins, restricting Castro_Sucks when he hasnt even spoken in the other forums yet. You don&#39;t know that he&#39;ll be disruptive&#33;&#33;&#33; Unrestrict him and give him a chance&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Exactly&#33;
Can any of you, besides Castro_Sucks, take the veil off your eyes for one minute and see this from a different point of view???
Castro_Sucks knows more about the Cuban people and what they think about Fidel than any of you or any poll that you may discover. I&#39;m just asking for a fair discussion.
And Castro_Sucks, you really dont need to start a new thread.

so....how do you know all this about "castro sucks"?

Yes i have never lived in a socialist country,but have visited one.Granted I was a very small child,but i lie not when i say i have very vivid memories of it.It seemed pretty normal to me.Nothing particurally special about it.Just a nice place.thats all i remember.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 06:27 PM
so....how do you know all this about "castro sucks"?


If you had read a word that he&#39;s said so far, you&#39;d know it too. Whether or not what he&#39;s saying is true, these sort of things (unfair executions, imprisonments) do happen in Cuba, and often. I believe Castro_Sucks completely...

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Comrade Ceausescu]

way to ignore the bulk of my post.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 02:17 PM
flayer2, I would like to think that for once the Administrators are opening their minds and allowing free speech from Castro_Sucks. And EneME, I see your point completely but what I think he&#39;s trying to say is that in Cuba, it is a dictatorship.
so basically what you&#39;re saying is that eneME is wrong in pointing out that for effective communism to exist in cuba that rich people had to be forced to live in small houses at the same social level as poor people? it really makes me sick to see "zapata" as part of your user name. because emiliano zapata would have hated you, particularly for de-advocating the removal of large landholdings from rich people who sure as heck didn&#39;t till the soil themselves (particularly in cuba) and exploited others to gain their fortunes. i think eneME is absolutely right and i&#39;m as much against you as i am against castro_sucks. you and he ought to go engage in some mutual masturbation and talk dirty to eachother using your pathetic political jargon.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 12:48 AM
.... i&#39;m as much against you as i am against castro_sucks. you and he ought to go engage in some mutual masturbation and talk dirty to eachother using your pathetic political jargon.
Wow...what a most enlightening and educated response&#33;&#33; You must be so proud of your "huge knowledge base" and command of the english language&#33;

I&#39;ve said it before and I&#39;ll say it again...those who feel threatened by the words or actions of others, and have no iron-clad argument to fight it, will always resort to foul language. And it looks like you&#39;re fresh out of intelligence. This is your second post with vulgar language directed at me and the last one I&#39;ll respond to&#33;

[Comrade Ceausescu]

funny how you ignore the people who have had positive encounters with socialism.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Nov 24 2003, 01:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Nov 24 2003, 01:14 AM)
[email protected] 24 2003, 12:48 AM
.... i&#39;m as much against you as i am against castro_sucks. you and he ought to go engage in some mutual masturbation and talk dirty to eachother using your pathetic political jargon.
Wow...what a most enlightening and educated response&#33;&#33; You must be so proud of your "huge knowledge base" and command of the english language&#33;

I&#39;ve said it before and I&#39;ll say it again...those who feel threatened by the words or actions of others, and have no iron-clad argument to fight it, will always resort to foul language. And it looks like you&#39;re fresh out of intelligence. This is your second post with vulgar language directed at me and the last one I&#39;ll respond to&#33; [/b]
and once again, if you were truly above all this, you would overlook my the emotional appendages of my posts and answer the parts of true substance. you flaming idiot. kekekekekekeke.

[Xvall]

Learn proper grammar before posting please

This coming from a person that neglected to punctuate his sentence.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Why can&#39;t you guys just answer the damn question? It&#39;s simple just say what country(s) you have or live in and then we can all find out who&#39;s a true "commie". Ehh?

[EneME]

I&#39;ve said it before and I&#39;ll say it again...those who feel threatened by the words or actions of others, and have no iron-clad argument to fight it, will always resort to foul language. And it looks like you&#39;re fresh out of intelligence. This is your second post with vulgar language directed at me and the last one I&#39;ll respond to&#33;
Funny how CS totally ignored my response to his question but Zapata did respond....as if I was talking to him. I really pity you Zapata....I understand CS cuz he is straight forward about who he is and I respect that aspect about him. But you&#39;re two faced, even more pathetic than he is....real weasle like

[Ortega]

so basically what you&#39;re saying is that eneME is wrong in pointing out that for effective communism to exist in cuba that rich people had to be forced to live in small houses at the same social level as poor people? it really makes me sick to see "zapata" as part of your user name. because emiliano zapata would have hated you, particularly for de-advocating the removal of large landholdings from rich people who sure as heck didn&#39;t till the soil themselves (particularly in cuba) and exploited others to gain their fortunes. i think eneME is absolutely right and i&#39;m as much against you as i am against castro_sucks. you and he ought to go engage in some mutual masturbation and talk dirty to eachother using your pathetic political jargon.

Jargon?&#33;?&#33;??&#33; Just because I don&#39;t agree with you doesn&#39;t make it jargon. It&#39;s as much jargon as what youre saying about me.
Zapata would be dissapointed in all of us for being rich Capitalists who sit around on our computers all day, but of all people, I would doubt that Emiliano Zapata would be dissapointed in me. First of all, I know more about Zapata, Castro, Che, and their ideas and life than it sounds like you do AllTomorrowsParties.
Second of all, I&#39;m just pointing out the merit, however great, of Castro_Sucks&#39; posts and advocating his free speech. Zapata, if anything, would be proud of me for standing up for the underdog, the person who would have no chance without at least one more human being&#39;s support.
Rich?&#33;?&#33; Castro_Sucks and his family, at least according to what he&#39;s said (which I will believe him on), lived in an apartment&#33;&#33; His father hailed Castro as the savior of Cuba. If you payed attention to a word Castro_Sucks said, you might not be so biased against him. He is not advocating an imperialist Cuba run by the United States. I am highly against that. Castro is far, far better than Batista in many ways, even if he is more cruel.


Funny how CS totally ignored my response to his question but Zapata did respond....as if I was talking to him. I really pity you Zapata....I understand CS cuz he is straight forward about who he is and I respect that aspect about him. But you&#39;re two faced, even more pathetic than he is....real weasle like

It doesn&#39;t matter whether or not you were talking to me. If Castro_Sucks will not respond, I will, because otherwise there will be no one to make his argument heard.
How am I not straightforward????&#33;?&#33; What is there to know about me that you don&#39;t know already?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;
And two faced? You don&#39;t even know me, first of all, and second of all I have without a doubt not been two-faced. I have stuck strongly to my position. Just because I can have an open mind and listen to other sides does not make me two faced.
Next time, try spelling weasel right. And if you want a really weasel-like, two faced man, try Fidel. Do your homework and do a little bit of research into who Fidel really is. As long as your at it, do some reasearch into who everyones hero, Che really was. Your opinions might change.
And next time, think before you type. At least come up with a good argument instead of just repeatedly insulting me.

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Ortega]

And now we see whos not answering. <_<

I&#39;d also like to add this PM that I recieved today from Comrade Castro_Sucks:


Comrade_Zapata: I thank you for your intelligent and respectful responses to my posts. I really appreciate when someone is of a clear and open mind to be able to debate in a civil way. You&#39;ve shown yourself to be a calm, clear thinking person with enough intelligence to know when someone is pulling their leg, or when someone is knowledgeable fo facts and events..

I had volumes of respectful debate for those that were willing to hear it, and space in my mind to learn from those willing to teach. Instead I&#39;ve received much resistance...much hatred and disrespect from those with no argument.

I&#39;ll use the PM as a form of communication with those that are willing to do so.

I haven&#39;t been banned...but I&#39;ve chosen to ban myself from such a close minded board. Thanks again for all your help and backup.

And please remember, I&#39;m not anti-communism...just anti-castro.

Keep that in mind, and never forget how all of you have treated a newcomer completely willing to teach AND to be taught.
Shameful, really. :unsure:

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Yes and no.

I&#39;ve lived in China, which in your reactionary standards is probably under "communist rule". All oxymorons aside, I can tell you that it was not in the least bit communist. It&#39;s really pointless arguing at all because, as many comrades have pointed out already, there is no such thing as "communist rule".

On a side note I&#39;ve also lived in India and been to Thailand for consider amounts of time. I wouldn&#39;t mind talking about the horrors of capitalism. ;)

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 11:12 PM
And now we see whos not answering. <_<

I&#39;d also like to add this PM that I recieved today from Comrade Castro_Sucks:


Comrade_Zapata: I thank you for your intelligent and respectful responses to my posts. I really appreciate when someone is of a clear and open mind to be able to debate in a civil way. You&#39;ve shown yourself to be a calm, clear thinking person with enough intelligence to know when someone is pulling their leg, or when someone is knowledgeable fo facts and events..

I had volumes of respectful debate for those that were willing to hear it, and space in my mind to learn from those willing to teach. Instead I&#39;ve received much resistance...much hatred and disrespect from those with no argument.

I&#39;ll use the PM as a form of communication with those that are willing to do so.

I haven&#39;t been banned...but I&#39;ve chosen to ban myself from such a close minded board. Thanks again for all your help and backup.

And please remember, I&#39;m not anti-communism...just anti-castro.

Keep that in mind, and never forget how all of you have treated a newcomer completely willing to teach AND to be taught.
Shameful, really. :unsure:

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata
wow. an egocentric pm and an even more egocentric post. i bet that made your little communist soul swell with pride.

[Ortega]

Egocentric?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? How is that egocentric?
And Communist... is that supposed to be an insult or what? Last time I checked, this was a leftist forum... :huh:

Again, you still haven&#39;t responded to my first post&#33;&#33;

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 01:13 AM
Egocentric?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? How is that egocentric?
And Communist... is that supposed to be an insult or what? Last time I checked, this was a leftist forum... :huh:

Again, you still haven&#39;t responded to my first post&#33;&#33;

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata
what was the point of posting the PM he sent you? to show what a nice guy he is? to show what a nice guy you are? and reiterate your post and i&#39;d be more than happy to respond provided you don&#39;t call me immature about the issue. because if you decide to try to bring me down and write me off as irrelevant, i might as well not answer you.

[Ortega]

I had volumes of respectful debate for those that were willing to hear it, and space in my mind to learn from those willing to teach. Instead I&#39;ve received much resistance...much hatred and disrespect from those with no argument.

I&#39;ll use the PM as a form of communication with those that are willing to do so.

I haven&#39;t been banned...but I&#39;ve chosen to ban myself from such a close minded board. Thanks again for all your help and backup.

And please remember, I&#39;m not anti-communism...just anti-castro.

That was the important part. There are some important things in there...
And also, Castro_Sucks was the one insulting you and the rest of Che-Lives. Not me. I&#39;ve been taking everyones comments very seriously, and hopefully openmindedly.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

it disgusts me how you now have fidel in your avatar.even more,it disgusts me that you ignore all positive comments about socialism.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 09:05 PM
it disgusts me how you now have fidel in your avatar.
The irony runith over here don&#39;t it?

Can we drop this now?

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 09:05 PM
it disgusts me how you now have fidel in your avatar.even more,it disgusts me that you ignore all positive comments about socialism.
Well it just so happens, cheguevara717, that I am a devoted socialist and even a bit of a Castro supporter. I was just trying to argue on behalf of Castro_Sucks. Castro is in no way a perfect man...

[Urban Rubble]

You have called Castro inumane, a dictator, a murderer, and I believe a fascist, yet you support him ? That means one of 2 things. 1, you&#39;re a fucking idiot. 2, you support inhumane muderers.

Actually, I guess they&#39;re the same choice.


Comrade Zapata, your support for this asshole is sickening. He has not made one real point and has been just as abusive as anyone else.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I have lived in America and in Brazil, never in socialism.
That answers your question.
Now I&#39;d like to add some input.
Socialist governments have an obligation to suppress movements by those who do not have the interests of the people in mind and seek to concentrate power in their own hands. This has become a more brutal task than it should be, because of the negative influence socialist nations have suffered from capitalism. If it wasn&#39;t for the threat presented by foreign capitalist powers and counter revolutionaries who seek to appropriate the products of society for himself, socialist nations today would propsper imensily. As it is, imperialist intersets have interfered.

[Sabocat]

Well it just so happens, cheguevara717, that I am a devoted socialist and even a bit of a Castro supporter. I was just trying to argue on behalf of Castro_Sucks. Castro is in no way a perfect man...

Let him argue for himself, he&#39;s a big boy. You&#39;re cheerleading for him is tedious.

Yes, you can tell your a Castro supporter from your posts condemming him for not having any interest in individuals in Cuba etc. Your knowledge of Cuba, Castro, Communism is laughable.

You just can&#39;t decide which boot to lick can you?

[Ortega]

You have no idea what you&#39;re talking about, in regards to me and my knowledge at least. I probably know more about Castro than most of the people on this site.
I&#39;m not "cheerleading" for Castro_Sucks, I just agree with him. That&#39;s a basic right, to agree.
Castro is inhumane. Individual human lives mean very little to him, and he has shown that. But both of those are caused by power - "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
I respect Castro, as a person and as a leader. He is an amazing man, regardless of his flaws. Just because I will admit that he has some major flaws brought on by power does not mean that I cannot admire him.
He was a better person at the beginning, when he first started. I will say that and hopefully many, if not some of you, can agree on that.
Urban Rubble - I know for a fact that I have not called Castro a fascist. If I ever did, it was just in agreement to a general concept proposed by Castro_Sucks or someone else. I have not been the only one to call him a dictator and calling Castro a murderer was really just to make a point. I&#39;ll admit that he&#39;s less of a murderer than Batista ever was, and far less of one than good old Georgie Bush.

Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Sabocat]

Castro is far, far better than Batista in many ways, even if he is more cruel.

More cruel than Batista? Yeah, that&#39;s why there was a popular peoples revolution to depose him. Do you see why we question your knowledge on this subject?


Under Batista regime, people disappeared, were executed, people lived in poverty, the literacy rate was 40% or less, there was no free medicine, disease was rampant. How is Castro more cruel than Batista?

[canikickit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 11:09 PM
Nice job, admins, restricting Castro_Sucks when he hasnt even spoken in the other forums yet. You don&#39;t know that he&#39;ll be disruptive&#33;&#33;&#33; Unrestrict him and give him a chance&#33;
He did speak in the other forums. People who support capitalism are never allowed post in the other forums. Don&#39;t you know that?

Zapata, you&#39;re really boring the hell out of me with this shit. Haven&#39;t you read any of Castro_Sucks initial posts? You&#39;re pretty funny, really.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 10:43 PM
I&#39;m fairly new here myself but it isn&#39;t hard to see that Fidel Castro is immensely popular on this site. But I think you already knew that before you joined...

Personally I don&#39;t think it was a good name to pick if your intention is to debate an opposing view on castro but hey... thats just my opinion..

I hear you fox but I think censoring names is the least of stormfronts problems... :unsure:
Well I agree with you, cs could have chosen a more objective name and than he would have been taken more serious by the biggest part of the forum from the start. But I must say, reading most of his posts, he just gives the impression of his name <_<

Yes stormfront has it&#39;s issues, but they are friendly enough to send birthday cards to even their banned members :-)

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 12:09 PM
Under Batista regime, people disappeared, were executed, people lived in poverty, the literacy rate was 40% or less, there was no free medicine, disease was rampant. How is Castro more cruel than Batista?
But the same thing happens under Castro today&#33;
Maybe on a lesser scale, and at least Castro gives the people priority over the faceless U&#036; corporations, unlike Batista.
I wasn&#39;t suggesting that Batista was better, just debating a little bit... Thats what this sites supposed to be for, anyway.


Zapata, you&#39;re really boring the hell out of me with this shit.
Just as boring for me as it is for anyone else... but the other side of the argument is just as boring and repetitive as mine.


You&#39;re pretty funny, really.
eh?


Hasta Siempre&#33;

-Comrade_Zapata

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 01:21 PM
He did speak in the other forums. People who support capitalism are never allowed post in the other forums. Don&#39;t you know that?


From whats Castro_Sucks has posted, he&#39;s not capitalist at all. A leftist, even. Just very very anti-Castro...

[canikickit]

I must have missed those posts.
I&#39;ve never seen anyone remotely left wing call the US the "land of the free".

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Comrade Zapata, I see you&#39;ve been well indocrinated by capitalism. :lol:
You&#39;re obviously not a Marxist-Leninist, so i really don&#39;t see why you support Castro at all.
I also don&#39;t like your comparison of Castro to Batista. One is a submissive lackey to US imperialism and a fascist dictator. The other is a brave and shining beacon of socialism that has withstood numerous cowardly attacks upon his life and upon his country. Get it right&#33; It&#39;s obvious that you don&#39;t understand and share the strife of Fidel for his people.
Here&#39;s a better avatar for you, mate:
http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/images/bush.jpg
:lol:

[Ortega]

Victorcommie, don&#39;t start trouble where there is none.
I am a socialist... what else is there to say?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative11.jpg

[Ortega]

Not even going to give that an answer.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

The irony runith over here don&#39;t it?


I find it terrible that he has fidel in his avatar when he dosent support him.

[Ortega]

But I do support him in many, if not most ways, Che717.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Castro_Sucks has good reasons for hating Castro.
Really? Oh, yes, now I remember, he&#39;s a lackey for US imperialism. You see, mate, a socialist government has the obligation to protect its people from reactionary movements. It has an obligation to suppress counter revolutions. People who counter the people&#39;s government have not the interests of the working class in mind, but rather those of capitalism. They seek to concentrate power and they&#39;re enemies to the proletariat. If you cannot see that, then you are no comrade of mine and certainly no socialist&#33;


I, even though I have never even been able to visit Cuba (though I hope to soon), have known people whose families were killed or jailed by Fidel. Some of them are even still Castro supporters, but are afraid to stay in Cuba. If we were in Cuba right now, and speaking out against the government like we speak out against the U.S. on Che-Lives, we would all be in jail, if not dead. Castro is an amazing leader, and was once an amazing person, but many of the people in Cuba would agree with me when I say that life as a dissident, or even someone slightly unhappy with the government, is a nightmare. Many of us are dissidents against our government, and we&#39;re not even bothered.
So you support "oppressive stiflers of popular dissent"?


in Cuba, it is a dictatorship.
You support dictators?


If you had read a word that he&#39;s said so far, you&#39;d know it too. Whether or not what he&#39;s saying is true, these sort of things (unfair executions, imprisonments) do happen in Cuba, and often. I believe Castro_Sucks completely...
Whether or not it&#39;s true.... they do happen? What the fuck are you trying to say? You believe this open hater of socialism and denouncer of freedom?


I&#39;m not "cheerleading" for Castro_Sucks, I just agree with him. That&#39;s a basic right, to agree.
Castro is inhumane. Individual human lives mean very little to him, and he has shown that. But both of those are caused by power - "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
If you see Castro as a dictator who "doesn&#39;t care for individual freedoms", you&#39;re obviously not a socialist&#33; And you have also deffinitely missed the important aspect of communism that the freedom for individual prosper that involves the oppression of others is a bourgeois liberty. What Castro has done is secured his revolution by suppressing movements that seek the liberty to withold power from others through religion, racism, homophobia, elitism, capitalism, etc.

[Lardlad95]

No one has ever lived under actual communism

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 08:43 PM
No one has ever lived under actual communism
Word

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 12:43 PM
No one has ever lived under actual communism
Nobody lives under communism, everybody lives with communism.

And no... nobody has lived with communism... ;)