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PC LOAD LETTER
7th February 2012, 20:58
Now it has to go to the supreme court.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/gay-marriage-prop-8s-ban-ruled-unconstitutional.html


A federal appeals court Tuesday struck down California's ban on same-sex marriage, clearing the way for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule on gay marriage as early as next year. The 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found that Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that limited marriage to one man and one woman, violated the U.S. Constitution. The architects of Prop. 8 have vowed to appeal.

The ruling was narrow and likely to be limited to California.

FULL COVERAGE: Prop. 8 (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/prop-8/)

“Proposition 8 served no purpose, and had no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California,” the court said.
The ruling upheld a decision by retired Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker, who struck down the ballot measure in 2010 after holding an unprecedented trial on the nature of sexual orientation and the history of marriage.

In a separate decision, the appeals court refused to invalidate Walker’s ruling on the grounds that he should have disclosed he was in a long term same-sex relationship. Walker, a Republican appointee who is openly gay, said after his ruling that he had been in a relationship with another man for 10 years. He has never said whether he and partner wished to marry.

DOCUMENT: Read the court's decision (http://documents.latimes.com/proposition-8-gay-marriage-unconstitutional/)

ProtectMarriage, the backers of Proposition 8, can appeal Tuesday's decision to a larger panel of the 9th Circuit or go directly to the U.S. Supreme Court. The high court is expected to be divided on the issue, and many legal scholars believe Justice Anthony Kennedy will be the deciding vote.

Gays and lesbians were entitled to marry in California for six months after the California Supreme Court struck down a state ban in May 2008. The state high court later upheld Proposition 8 as a valid amendment of the California Constitution.

While the Proposition 8 case was still pending in state court, two same-sex couples sued in federal court to challenge the ban on federal constitutional grounds.

RELATED:
Ruling to have limited effect outside California (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/gay-marriage-prop-8.html)
Gay-marriage foes blame Hollywood for court loss (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/prop-8-gay-marriage-foes-blame-hollywood-for-court-loss.html)
Overturning of gay marriage ban hailed as historic (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/prop-8-gay-marriage-ruling-san-francisco.html)

-- Maura Dolan in San Francisco

TheGodlessUtopian
7th February 2012, 21:04
Good news for all those who wish for inclusion in a dead institution. I will be watching the developments closely as equality is something to be watched by all.

Game Girl
8th February 2012, 16:11
This is good news.

Heres the thing. Why should the majority get to vote on the rights of the minority? It generally has nothing to do with majority and will most likely NOT effect their personal lives, so why should they vote on it?

runequester
8th February 2012, 17:48
This is good news.

Heres the thing. Why should the majority get to vote on the rights of the minority? It generally has nothing to do with majority and will most likely NOT effect their personal lives, so why should they vote on it?

The narrative you are supposed to accept is usually one of:

We live in a christian country and therefore marriage before the law must be marriage before the church

Letting gay couples marry will open the road to polygamy, marrying children and marrying animals

Gay couples marrying will force everybody to marry someone of their own gender.

No idea, but it's what my church says.

No idea, but it's what my politician says.


I may have missed one or two reasonings, but those seem to be the most common

PC LOAD LETTER
11th February 2012, 06:46
The narrative you are supposed to accept is usually one of:

We live in a christian country and therefore marriage before the law must be marriage before the church

Letting gay couples marry will open the road to polygamy, marrying children and marrying animals

Gay couples marrying will force everybody to marry someone of their own gender.

No idea, but it's what my church says.

No idea, but it's what my politician says.


I may have missed one or two reasonings, but those seem to be the most common
The one I usually hear is "But those [male same-sex couples] will adopt little boys just to touch them"

It's sickening to hear that.

Veovis
11th February 2012, 07:21
Good news for all those who wish for inclusion in a dead institution. I will be watching the developments closely as equality is something to be watched by all.

Marriage is far from dead in our society. I'm not saying that's the way it should be; I'm all for creating a society where concepts like marriage are irrelevant and superfluous, but as for right now, there are too many privileges and rights granted with marriage to ignore it.

If I'm accused of a crime, should my husband be forced to testify against me? If I'm hospitalized, should my husband not be considered my next of kin? These are just a few examples but you get my point.