The murderous impact of capitalism in Russia

[runequester]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Natural_increase_current

A lot of devil in the details.

While soviet population growth had started to level off after the 60s (as you would expect from an increasingly urban and developed society), it plummets dramatically from 89, and turns to a decline that has not yet been reversed with the enforcement of free market capitalism.

Amazing what happens when people no longer have jobs, health care and access to cheap food.

[GoddessCleoLover]

The decline is Russian male life expectancy since the dissolution of the Union has apparently been significant as is likely attributable to the anomie of a capitalist society as well as the destruction of the Soviet social welfare safety net. Whatever the shortcomings of the Union, the post-Soviet Russia of Yeltsin and Putin have certainly bben a blessing for the new Russian bourgeoisie more than the long-suffering Russian worker.

[tachosomoza]

Not only is capitalism dangerous for the native, ethnic Russian proletariat, but it's extremely dangerous, physically, for the several minority groups that reside within its borders. It's especially bad for Africans and Caucasian (Georgian, Armenian, Azerbaijani) groups. Russia has the largest number of racist, extremely violent hooligans in the world. They attribute their economic woes to foreigners, especially with darker skin, and engage in violent assaults, even murders on said minority groups. Extremely sickening, in a place that once was a refuge for people from the Third World (and the USA).

[runequester]

If you want to hurt inside, download and read a book titled "when things fall apart". It covers the extreme levels of poverty in many of the ex-soviet republics.
It's not very pleasant reading though.

[NoMasters]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Natural_increase_current

A lot of devil in the details.

While soviet population growth had started to level off after the 60s (as you would expect from an increasingly urban and developed society), it plummets dramatically from 89, and turns to a decline that has not yet been reversed with the enforcement of free market capitalism.

Amazing what happens when people no longer have jobs, health care and access to cheap food.

A lot of the population decrease comes from gaining "rights" due to liberalization of their country by the West.

Abortion accounts to most of the population decrease.

Russia has a 50% abortion rate unfortunately..

[runequester]

A lot of the population decrease comes from gaining "rights" due to liberalization of their country by the West.

Abortion accounts to most of the population decrease.

Russia has a 50% abortion rate unfortunately..

50% of pregnancies or?

Abortion was always high due to lack of reliable contraceptives unlike east Germany. But it is probably telling that people don't feel it is a safe foundation to raise a family. I've heard that echoed from Russian emigres here.

[NoMasters]

50% of all pregnancies ended up in abortion last year in Russia.

And that is because they lack any knowledge in abstinence and safe sex. Not because of contraception shortages.

[Zulu]

A lot of the population decrease comes from gaining "rights" due to liberalization of their country by the West.

Abortion accounts to most of the population decrease.

Russia has a 50% abortion rate unfortunately..

Abortion was always legal in the Soviet Union.

[Comrade Auldnik]

Abortion was always legal in the Soviet Union.
I think the issue is that abortion rates are so high in the former Soviet Union, not that it is and has been legal. Those of us who favor the right to an abortion tend to view the persisting need for abortions as the problem.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

Does a rising abortion rate explain why life expectancy for men declined by 10 years after the counterrevolution? And besides, what was the abortion rate in the USSR prior to 1992? The economic and social collapse in the former USSR gives lie to all of those leftist that claim it was a capitalist country since _________ (1928,1938,1948, 1956, etc.). This is what real counterrevolution looks like, comrades.

[Thirsty Crow]

Abortion was always legal in the Soviet Union.
That's not true.
Abortion was outlawed from 1936 to 1954.

[runequester]

Does a rising abortion rate explain why life expectancy for men declined by 10 years after the counterrevolution? And besides, what was the abortion rate in the USSR prior to 1992? The economic and social collapse in the former USSR gives lie to all of those leftist that claim it was a capitalist country since _________ (1928,1938,1948, 1956, etc.). This is what real counterrevolution looks like, comrades.

Indeed. Take away the right to a job, take away the right to a home, take away the right to eat, and people are left scrambling for scraps.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

50% of all pregnancies ended up in abortion last year in Russia.

And that is because they lack any knowledge in abstinence and safe sex. Not because of contraception shortages.

How can anyone lack a knowledge of abstinence if they have knowledge of abortion? :rolleyes:

Abortion rates will obviously tend to increase when people are uncertain about the conditions that their children will grow up in.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

What was Yeltsin's approval rating going out? The lowest I've heard is 4%.

[Prometeo liberado]

Unfortunately if, and it seems that it is, Russia is in the dire straights that it is and the workers are still resorting to blaming workers that don't look like them and still not rebelling in an ongoing and effective manner, then what must America sink to before mass mobilization is seen? The worlds workers are at a precipice. Slavery that has never been seen in the history of the world or total revolution. Tell me you have a middle answer and I'll listen but chances are I've heard it before.

[Zulu]

That's not true.
Abortion was outlawed from 1936 to 1954.

It was restricted, but not totally outlawed.

[Thirsty Crow]

It was restricted, but not totally outlawed.
That's a lie, one you seem to propagate with something of an intent.
The Central Executive Committee of the USSR issued the prohibition on on 27th June 1936, and abortion was only allowed in cases of there being a direct threat to the mother's life.
Now, if you call that a "restriction", you might be needing one yourself.

http://www.red-channel.de/books/abortion.htm




I On Prohibition of Abortions

1. In view of the proven harm of abortions, to forbid the performance of abortions whether in hospitals and special health institutions, or in the homes of doctors and the private homes of pregnant women. The performance of abortions shall be allowed exclusively in those cases when the continuation of pregnancy endangers life or threatens serious injury to the health of the pregnant woman and likewise when a serious disease of the parents may be inherited, and only under hospital or maternity-home conditions.


2. For the performance of abortions outside a hospital or in a hospital under conditions violating the above provisions, the doctor performing the abortion shall be criminally punishable to the extent of one to two years' imprisonment, while for the performance of abortions under unsanitary conditions or by persons who have no special medical training a criminal penalty of not less than three years' imprisonment shall be fixed.


3. For compelling a woman to undergo an abortion, criminal penalty of two years' imprisonment shall be fixed.


4. In relation to pregnant women undergoing an abortion in violation of the said prohibition, to establish as a criminal penalty a social reprimand, and in the event of a repetition the violation of the law on the prohibition of abortions, a fine up to 300 rubles.

[commieathighnoon]

Hillel Ticktin has suggested though the market has been forcibly introduced, "true" money and capital has not become dominant, and there remains a fundamentally "Stalinist" political economy in the former Soviet space. They cite the important role of the state officials, the significant retention of bureaucratic control over key economic sectors, and a lack of significant change in labor economy in most sectors of Russian production.

[Tovarisch]

Notice how fast population grew during Khrushchev's rule. Hmm, could it be that he was a better leader than Stalin?;)

Also, I lived in Russia for 11 years, and capitalism looks ugly on Russia. The crime rates are astronomic compared with any other European country. The corruption is also practically everywhere

[runequester]

Notice how fast population grew during Khrushchev's rule. Hmm, could it be that he was a better leader than Stalin?;)


It helps that they were already industrialised, collectivised and did not have nazi's murdering them, but as one of apparently very very few posters on here that support the USSR throughout most of its history, I don't disagree :)



Also, I lived in Russia for 11 years, and capitalism looks ugly on Russia. The crime rates are astronomic compared with any other European country. The corruption is also practically everywhere

During what period, if you don't mind me asking?

[Tovarisch]

It helps that they were already industrialised, collectivised and did not have nazi's murdering them, but as one of apparently very very few posters on here that support the USSR throughout most of its history, I don't disagree :)




During what period, if you don't mind me asking?

Don't mind at all, from 1994 to 2004

Life in Russia was not too bad, but it was considerably worse than in America, and that is saying something

Please get out of our country, capitalists!