Different opinions in this forum

[someguy45]

This is my first thread and probably my last here. I cruise through the web often and like to look at all different beliefs, behaviors, and experiences people have. I come across many forums because of this and I noticed that this particular one tends to ban anyone or restrict anyone who has a different opinion than the status quo on this website. For a group of people who supposedly support such groups that use their first amendment right, like the occupiers on wall street, you all tend to hate anyone with a differing opinion. Even hate group forums like stormfront don't thrash the banhammer so much. Maybe I am wrong and have only seen a few select moments of impulsive expulsion of people with differing opinions. I'd like to hear the thoughts of the people on this about this.

[dodger]

someguy, interesting observation, don't quite know how we are to look into the hearts of men or women who post here. Can't even look into their eye, which we are told is the mirror of the soul. Keyboard bombardiers is one term I heard sometime back. Like any forum we have moderators, guidelines, along with some sort of culture. One hopes that warnings or set procedures are followed and we never 'kill' the patient but attend to the 'disease'. I spent too many years in trade unions, with every shade of political and personal opinion to ever get hot under the collar about opposing views. Shorthand, play the ball not the player. I suppose one grows the skin of a Rhino. Why don't you start a thread, my god you just have!. At the end of the day people are important, not politics. Come in the water is lovely, no Piranaha.....just a shoal of mildly malicious minnows, along with some whale of a good idea, how we might all press forward, together.

[Ele'ill]

This is my first thread and probably my last here. I cruise through the web often and like to look at all different beliefs, behaviors, and experiences people have. I come across many forums because of this and I noticed that this particular one tends to ban anyone or restrict anyone who has a different opinion than the status quo on this website. For a group of people who supposedly support such groups that use their first amendment right, like the occupiers on wall street, you all tend to hate anyone with a differing opinion. Even hate group forums like stormfront don't thrash the banhammer so much. Maybe I am wrong and have only seen a few select moments of impulsive expulsion of people with differing opinions. I'd like to hear the thoughts of the people on this about this.

I just wanted to thank you for your observation although a brief glance in the area of the forum you're posting in demonstrates that we do restrict (and not ban) the vast majority of opposing ideologies because the purpose of this forum is to facilitate smooth discussion on politically left topics. This requires that those with left political views have a quiet space to elaborate on already agreed upon foundations. If we allowed militant opposition into those types of discussion it would be a debate and not an internal discussion. This is why we have the area you posted in called Opposing ideologies. Its purpose is to allow for debate and is a minor part of this forum's purpose. A step further, we don't allow certain ideological discussion on this forum for a variety of reasons ranging from what was legal issues to polar opposite nothing in common rationalization where again I'll point towards the forum's main purpose. Thanks for stopping by.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I agree that we're a little crazy with all the restrictions and bannings around here.

[bcbm]

lacking any real political power to satisfy our bloodlust, internet execution has to suffice

[NoOneIsIllegal]

If we didn't restrict or ban all the racists, sexists, fascists, conservatives, etc. I think this place would become a ghost town.
It's hard enough to have a moving-discussion amongst ourselves sometimes. Just imagine all these right-wing trolls derailing our threads even more than we already do.
No thanks.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

If we didn't restrict or ban all the racists, sexists, fascists, conservatives, etc. I think this place would become a ghost town.
It's hard enough to have a moving-discussion amongst ourselves sometimes. Just imagine all these right-wing trolls derailing our threads even more than we already do.
No thanks.
I imagine if they weren't restricted, every other post in every topic would be along the lines of "lololol fuck marx" or "lololol u just jealous of ur boss"

[roy]

I dunno about all the bans/restrictions that take place here, but people who aren't socialists generally get restricted here. Fascists get banned because of antifa laws where the server is hosted, plus they're fascists. The point of having a socialist board is so socialists can discuss stuff from a socialist perspective. We don't wanna be overrun by trolls. You'll find pretty much every thread turns into an argument of some sort, so there's a diversity of opinion here.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I dunno about all the bans/restrictions that take place here, but people who aren't socialists generally get restricted here. Fascists get banned because of antifa laws where the server is hosted, plus they're fascists. The point of having a socialist board is so socialists can discuss stuff from a socialist perspective. We don't wanna be overrun by trolls. You'll find pretty much every thread turns into an argument of some sort, so there's a diversity of opinion here.
There's no anti-fascist laws in the US that I'm aware of, they just ban fascists because fascism is ridiculous.

[getfiscal]

The forum is for leftists. If people have fundamental problems with critical social theory then they probably shouldn't post here. That said, I think restriction should only happen if you are causing serious problems to the forum, because I mean look how much diversity there is among self-described "leftists". Some support China, others think China is a capitalist hellhole. Some want to execute all anarchists, some make Gilles Dauve look like Milton Friedman.

[roy]

There's no anti-fascist laws in the US that I'm aware of, they just ban fascists because fascism is ridiculous.

I thought it was German? O_o Anyway, yeah fascists are ridiculous.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I thought it was German? O_o Anyway, yeah fascists are ridiculous.
*shrugs* Nope, but it doesn't really matter that much. The domain is controlled in the US, it's a .com, so if the US government felt like it they could rip the site off the air (by seizing the domain name) no matter what country the site itself is hosted in.

Then again, they could just register a domain controlled by another country. Yet, most countries will still hand over information if the US asks for it. And most countries will seize a domain if the US asks them to. Every web site is vulnerable unless it's hosted in some kind of 'darknet', like on Freenet or I2P or as a Tor-site.

[Deicide]

I've noticed this too.

I was a little disappointed to find out that fascists are instantly banned. It'd be quite interesting if a sub-section which allowed fascists to express their repulsive ideology existed, and then of-course, they'd have to be intellectually annihilated.

''Animal Cage'' would be a fitting title for such a sub-section.

[RedAnarchist]

''Animal Cage'' would be a fitting title for such a sub-section.

That would be offensive to animals.

[daft punk]

There is no status quo anyway, the left is split into reformists, Stalinists, Trotskyists, anarchists and so on. Even within those groups there are differences. Plus there is a special forum where non-socialists can post. I agree with banning right wing trolls from the main forum here, it is what makes this forum different to the others, I am new here and its a good feature.

[Ocean Seal]

I imagine if they weren't restricted, every other post in every topic would be along the lines of "lololol fuck marx" or "lololol u just jealous of ur boss"
Or some Ayn Rand/Thomas Jefferson/Winston Churchill

[artanis17]

This is my first thread and probably my last here. I cruise through the web often and like to look at all different beliefs, behaviors, and experiences people have. I come across many forums because of this and I noticed that this particular one tends to ban anyone or restrict anyone who has a different opinion than the status quo on this website. For a group of people who supposedly support such groups that use their first amendment right, like the occupiers on wall street, you all tend to hate anyone with a differing opinion. Even hate group forums like stormfront don't thrash the banhammer so much. Maybe I am wrong and have only seen a few select moments of impulsive expulsion of people with differing opinions. I'd like to hear the thoughts of the people on this about this.

even... stormfront....hmm...

**Stormfront scout detected**

Actually you can't even troll stormfront.. Even replies are moderated so strictly. What are you talking about. Don't even compare stormfront I have been there. They do not allow slightest challenge. I've been in stormfront for couple of times in order to troll those fools.

You could not even start such a thread which you have just started here.

[Franz Fanonipants]

who ever said that we were for "1st amendment rights"? like only the "anarchists" around here really pay any devotion to the constitution. i don't give a shit about 1st, 2nd, 3rd, xinfinity amendment anything.

people who are wrong are wrong.

[hatzel]

...ah...what the hell's a constitution? :confused:

Seriously bored of people running around talking about American shit like the rest of the world gives a D...

[someguy45]

Well for those that say that if you don't ban people then this forum will be polluted with trolls, I'm not saying you shouldn't ban people that are just here to troll I'm saying it seems that people get banned for simply being of different opinion. What's wrong with wanting to debate with conservatives, fundies, and fascists? I'm glad to hear a civil response from most people here instead of the few here that cherry picked from my post and decided to go after the little things I said instead of the main idea of this thread.

[PhoenixAsh]

Well for those that say that if you don't ban people then this forum will be polluted with trolls, I'm not saying you shouldn't ban people that are just here to troll I'm saying it seems that people get banned for simply being of different opinion. What's wrong with wanting to debate with conservatives, fundies, and fascists? I'm glad to hear a civil response from most people here instead of the few here that cherry picked from my post and decided to go after the little things I said instead of the main idea of this thread.

We are a forum that specifically caters to people with a left revolutionary perspective and ideology.

Now...lets say....would you go to a swim club to argue that it should expand their efforts and facilities to allow equestrians? I think not.

The whole idea for this forum is, as Mari3l eplained, to offer a space where we can build upon already agreed upon and existing foundations free from interference we face so often on other fora by those who have a completely different set of ideologies.

And that is the entire crux of the matter. The purpose of this forum is NOT to debate with those of different opinion, but specifically to debate amongst ourselves. Restricting amendment rights and restricting freedom of expression which you try to refer to have in fact got nothing to do with this. It is simply not the purpose or design of the forum to cater to debates amongst all opinions....just like it is not the purpose and design of the aforementioned swim club to cater to all sports.

For a group of dissenting opinions and for those who hold opinions which are partially reactionary we have reserved this exact place: Opposing Ideologies. Within limits they can debate us here and express their opinions.

[NGNM85]

If we didn't restrict or ban all the racists, sexists, fascists, conservatives, etc. I think this place would become a ghost town.
It's hard enough to have a moving-discussion amongst ourselves sometimes. Just imagine all these right-wing trolls derailing our threads even more than we already do.
No thanks.


I imagine if they weren't restricted, every other post in every topic would be along the lines of "lololol fuck marx" or "lololol u just jealous of ur boss"

I don't find that compelling at all. I don't see any evidence, whatsoever, that there are hordes of Republicans, or whatever, clamoring to join RevLeft.com. Regardless; this situation could be easily remedied without Banning, or Restricting everyone and their brother. A better solution would be to simply step up enforcement on trolling, spamming, or off-topic posts. Obviously, if some mental midget pops up with some brilliant insight, such as; 'ZOMG Kommunizm Sux!!!1!' they can be escorted to the nearest padded room, to play with the other defectives. However; there's absolutely no reason why the ideological pursuasions of a member should make any difference, provided they can stay on topic, and conduct themselves in a fairly civilized manner.

[RevSpetsnaz]

All i tend to see here is the one reason the left gets nothing accomplished, infighting. People seem more concerned about finding a way to label one another "reactionaries" than actually discussing how were going to defeat the neofascism thats swathing the world.

[NoMasters]

I feel somewhat the same in some regards. Most people I have seen post in this forum seem to believe that if you don't fall under these guidelines you are not a leftist and therefore you are bad.

I am a radical leftist but I use a lot of principles instilled from religion and liberal thinkers like Locke and Smith. Although to be sure I do object strongly to some of their ideas.

I also am a big fan of Max Stirner, who most Marxists see as an enemy because he absolutely dominated Marx in a debate they had. When in fact, I believe Stirner knew more about true freedom and utopia than Marx did in a lot of situations...

[Franz Fanonipants]

so you're a liberal and an anti-Marxist.

you basically are a reactionary in that case.

[Decolonize The Left]

I don't find that compelling at all. I don't see any evidence, whatsoever, that there are hordes of Republicans, or whatever, clamoring to join RevLeft.com. Regardless; this situation could be easily remedied without Banning, or Restricting everyone and their brother. A better solution would be to simply step up enforcement on trolling, spamming, or off-topic posts. Obviously, if some mental midget pops up with some brilliant insight, such as; 'ZOMG Kommunizm Sux!!!1!' they can be escorted to the nearest padded room, to play with the other defectives. However; there's absolutely no reason why the ideological pursuasions of a member should make any difference, provided they can stay on topic, and conduct themselves in a fairly civilized manner.

So... you're proposing that trolls/spammers be dealt with with bans. That is already in place.

You're also proposing that all people be allowed to express all ideas on a forum dedicated to one specific train of thought. Do you not see how this would destroy the very purpose of the forum in the first place?

- August

[Franz Fanonipants]

People seem more concerned about finding a way to label one another "reactionaries" than actually discussing how were going to defeat the neofascism thats swathing the world.

neofascism that's rich

[Decolonize The Left]

so you're a liberal and an anti-Marxist.

you basically are a reactionary in that case.

Wow. The quality of your posts is amazing.

- August

[RevSpetsnaz]

All i tend to see here is the one reason the left gets nothing accomplished, infighting. People seem more concerned about finding a way to label one another "reactionaries" than actually discussing how were going to defeat the neofascism thats swathing the world.


I feel somewhat the same in some regards. Most people I have seen post in this forum seem to believe that if you don't fall under these guidelines you are not a leftist and therefore you are bad.

I am a radical leftist but I use a lot of principles instilled from religion and liberal thinkers like Locke and Smith. Although to be sure I do object strongly to some of their ideas.

I also am a big fan of Max Stirner, who most Marxists see as an enemy because he absolutely dominated Marx in a debate they had. When in fact, I believe Stirner knew more about true freedom and utopia than Marx did in a lot of situations...


so you're a liberal and an anti-Marxist.

you basically are a reactionary in that case.

I rest my case.

[Franz Fanonipants]

I rest my case.

comrade if someone says they draw on a liberal tradition, then complain marx is not utopian enough they are a liberal reactionary bottom line.

[artanis17]

Leftists have enough fights between each other

[Franz Fanonipants]

Leftists have enough fights between each other

you aren't a leftist if you don't utilize a leftist methodological toolkit

[RevSpetsnaz]

comrade if someone says they draw on a liberal tradition, then complain marx is not utopian enough they are a liberal reactionary bottom line.

Im merely pointing out that you cant say anything on this forum that isnt somehow linked to reactionary tendencies. It wouldnt suprise me if i proclaimed my like of classical music and was labeled a "reactionary" simply because classical music is considered "high culture".

[Decolonize The Left]

you aren't a leftist if you don't utilize a leftist methodological toolkit

What. The. Fuck. Is. Your. Problem.

Stop trolling and go wank off to something to calm down. Seriously.

- August

[NGNM85]

So... you're proposing that trolls/spammers be dealt with with bans. That is already in place.

That’s only part of what I said.


You're also proposing that all people be allowed to express all ideas on a forum dedicated to one specific train of thought.

As an Anarchist; I propose all people should, pretty much, always be allowed to express their ideas.


Do you not see how this would destroy the very purpose of the forum in the first place?

- August

Again; this presumes that there is a massive population of exceedingly polite Right-wingers who want desperately to join RevLeft.com. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that’s the case. All evidence contradicts this supposition. I also think insularity is, ultimately, destructive to the Radical Left, and responsible for many of the problems within it.

[NGNM85]

comrade if someone says they draw on a liberal tradition, then complain marx is not utopian enough they are a liberal reactionary bottom line.

There's no such thing as a 'Liberal Reactionary.' These terms are mutually exclusive.

[NoMasters]

comrade if someone says they draw on a liberal tradition, then complain marx is not utopian enough they are a liberal reactionary bottom line.


Uhm....how?

Marx is utopian, but is it as utopian as Egoism? We can agree to disagree.

That is opinion, and being an anarchist, I like so aspects of Stirner's work. But now people label me as liberal reactionary. How is this the case?

I find it absolutely astonishing that people in these forums are so orthodox and regressive in their ideologies. We live in 2012 and not 1860. There are a lot of changes in this world that no philosopher predicted. Marx could never comprehend how the internet has lead to global revolutions. Although he did say mass communication will fuel the cause, that wasn't anything new. France with the printing press and technologies new to the world during the turn of the 20th century.

I believe Marx to be purely utopian with conditions that would have to be in existence today, and that simply doesn't exist. Would you put Noam Chomsky in the same category as I because he is against authoritarian Marxism and takes some of ideals from John Locke and especially Adam Smith?

And the funny thing is that I bet I have been to more occupy protests than most of the people in these forums. I have funded the movement and been an active member in the movement here in Denver. But of course I am a liberal reactionary as you labeled me, and therefore I am useless to the revolution and the ones sitting on their asses on their couches eating doritos who are not active is anyway besides just believing in the revolution and change.

Give me break dude...

[Franz Fanonipants]

Im merely pointing out that you cant say anything on this forum that isnt somehow linked to reactionary tendencies. It wouldnt suprise me if i announced my love of classical music and was labeled a "reactionary" simply because classical music is considered "high culture".

man i am a practicing catholic and i haven't been called reactionary. ngnm used to drag out some hilarious old saw about "THE CHRISTIAN LEFTIST" or whatever when i posted but that dude is suspect anyways.

the issue is if your methodology is reactionary and you come at issues from a point of view that is antithetical to leftist thought it doesn't matter what you do in your free time. idc if you like to eat licorice in the nude and fantasize about beating penguins, if you utilize a marxist or anarchist framework for critiquing things you're ok. if otoh you love the proletariat and hate rich people but think that shopping local is a really good idea and revolutionary, you need to stop and think about your assumptions.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Marx is utopian, but is it as utopian as Egoism? We can agree to disagree.

Marx is not utopian

[Franz Fanonipants]

Would you put Noam Chomsky in the same category as I because he is against authoritarian Marxism and takes some of ideals from John Locke and especially Adam Smith?

i would put noam chomsky in a gulag

[NoMasters]

Troll alert?

Or are you joking?

[Franz Fanonipants]

Troll alert?

Or are you joking?

fuck noam chomsky

[Minima]

why did you ban getfiscal? he is like the smartest guy I know - he was a good member on lf, there's tons of people who can attest to that.

[Igor]

first amendment right

not American, not interested.



I've noticed this too.

I was a little disappointed to find out that fascists are instantly banned. It'd be quite interesting if a sub-section which allowed fascists to express their repulsive ideology existed, and then of-course, they'd have to be intellectually annihilated.

''Animal Cage'' would be a fitting title for such a sub-section.

Seriously? I'm not really comfortable with the idea of this forum hosting a stage for expressing fascist opinions. Fascism doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt, they don't need to be listened and allowed to explain themselves.

[Franz Fanonipants]

why did you ban getfiscal? he is like the smartest guy I know - he was a good member on lf, there's tons of people who can attest to that.

he was ok lets not get crazy here

[NGNM85]

I just wanted to thank you for your observation although a brief glance in the area of the forum you're posting in demonstrates that we do restrict (and not ban) the vast majority of opposing ideologies

This overlooks a number of essential facts. First; this category of ‘Opposing Ideologies’ is incredibly broad, including everything from Neo-Nazis, to Social Democrats, or Progressives, with which Radicals might actually have something in common. Furthermore; it is entirely possible to be a completely consistent Radical, and still be Restricted. I should know.


because the purpose of this forum is to facilitate smooth discussion on politically left topics. This requires that those with left political views have a quiet space to elaborate on already agreed upon foundations.

Again; you can be an entirely consistent Leftist, even a Radical, and still be Restricted, or Banned.

Second; this is an absolute joke. Take a gander around the forums. Nine-tenths of the activity is devoted to debating eachother. (Which isn’t, necessarily, a bad thing, mind.) Furthermore; being that the forum already tolerates such disparate, and fundamentally antithetical ideologies as Anarchism, and Marxist-Leninism, prohibiting other viewpoints on the grounds of ideological incompatibility is just arbitrary.


If we allowed militant opposition into those types of discussion it would be a debate and not an internal discussion.

See above.


This is why we have the area you posted in called Opposing ideologies. Its purpose is to allow for debate and is a minor part of this forum's purpose.

See above.


A step further, we don't allow certain ideological discussion on this forum for a variety of reasons ranging from what was legal issues to polar opposite nothing in common rationalization where again I'll point towards the forum's main purpose. Thanks for stopping by.

See above.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Furthermore; it is entirely possible to be a completely consistent Radical, and still be Restricted. I should know.

a study in false consciousness

[NGNM85]

a study in false consciousness

Read a book. Better, yet, several. Start with the Dictionary.

[hatzel]

Now...lets say....would you go to a swim club to argue that it should expand their efforts and facilities to allow equestrians? I think not.

...and nobody even bothered to make a water polo joke here? What the hell, RevLeft, this is schoolboy stuff :blink:

Anyway. Occasionally some people might be banned who should probably be restricted instead, if we were to stick to the letter of the law. But I don't shed a tear over it. On the other hand it would be cool if we had some decent non-socialists in OI again. Non-sexist non-racist non-troll. Just cool counter-arguments. Make that happen or something.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Read a book. Better, yet, several. Start with the Dictionary.

i read all the time foo. do me a favor and stop listening to democracy now and thinking it makes you better than the masses oh wait that is your essential nature lol

[RevSpetsnaz]

man i am a practicing catholic and i haven't been called reactionary. ngnm used to drag out some hilarious old saw about "THE CHRISTIAN LEFTIST" or whatever when i posted but that dude is suspect anyways.

the issue is if your methodology is reactionary and you come at issues from a point of view that is antithetical to leftist thought it doesn't matter what you do in your free time. idc if you like to eat licorice in the nude and fantasize about beating penguins, if you utilize a marxist or anarchist framework for critiquing things you're ok. if otoh you love the proletariat and hate rich people but think that shopping local is a really good idea and revolutionary, you need to stop and think about your assumptions.

My previous account was banned for less.

[Franz Fanonipants]

My previous account was banned for less.

cool story bro

[RevSpetsnaz]

cool story bro

Long story is more like it. Thought id give the forum a second chance now that the Stalinist purge is over.

[hatzel]

My previous account was banned for less.


Long story is more like it. Thought id give the forum a second chance now that the Stalinist purge is over.

Sock purge 'em cheers.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Long story is more like it. Thought id give the forum a second chance now that the Stalinist purge is over.

hey were you one of those hpg guys who was inviting fascists on the board or what cus that would be super cool

[RevSpetsnaz]

hey were you one of those hpg guys who was inviting fascists on the board or what cus that would be super cool

No, i dont know any fascists.

[Omsk]

I see some bore bans on the horizon.

In any case,if the BA would stop with the restricting policy,i would probably leave this forum.

I think its great,if we have to deal with right-wingers every day,why do we need them on the internet?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I don't get it when people criticize this forum based on the fact that we don't let everybody in. You know why I come to Revleft? To discuss things with other revolutionary leftists, not to discuss things with conservatives and liberals. If I want to go to a website to debate with conservatives, liberals, neo-Nazis, etc, I'd go to a place where they are allowed(and I do this occasionally).

I don't understand why some people find this so hard to grasp. This place is for revolutionary leftists(hence Revleft). If you are not part of the revolutionary left then gtfo or try your hand at a discussion in the subsection of the forum that we allow opposing ideologies...

[The Teacher]

Getting restricted here is pretty easy, just

A. slightly disagree with someone on a point of substance
B. Misunderstand something
C. Say something that most members would agree with but say it in plain English rather than the official leftist vocabulary, so that you are accidentally misunderstood.

Prior to being restricted for these high crimes, you will be called an idiot, told to read more, and accussed of being a fascist.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I also am a big fan of Max Stirner, who most Marxists see as an enemy because he absolutely dominated Marx in a debate they had.Lol wut? When did this happen?
When in fact, I believe Stirner knew more about true freedom and utopia than Marx did in a lot of situations...Maybe Stirner outdid Marx in the Utopian field but considering Marx was anti-Utopian...

[NGNM85]

I don't get it when people criticize this forum based on the fact that we don't let everybody in. You know why I come to Revleft? To discuss things with other revolutionary leftists, not to discuss things with conservatives and liberals. If I want to go to a website to debate with conservatives, liberals, neo-Nazis, etc, I'd go to a place where they are allowed(and I do this occasionally).

Again; it's completely possible to be an entirely philosophically consistent Socialist, Anarchist, etc., and still be Restricted, or Banned.

Also, again; I haven't seen any evidence that there is a substantial population of exceedingly polite Right-wingers who want desperately to engage in substantive, civil conversation on RevLeft.com.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Getting restricted here is pretty easy, just

A. slightly disagree with someone on a point of substance
B. Misunderstand something
C. Say something that most members would agree with but say it in plain English rather than the official leftist vocabulary, so that you are accidentally misunderstood.

Prior to being restricted for these high crimes, you will be called an idiot, told to read more, and accussed of being a fascist.

i don't call people fascists i call them liberals

[Franz Fanonipants]

Again; it's completely possible to be an entirely philosophically consistent Socialist, Anarchist, etc., and still be Restricted, or Banned.

Also, again; I haven't seen any evidence that there is a substantial population of exceedingly polite Right-wingers who want desperately to engage in substantive, civil conversation on RevLeft.com.

you're p. right wing comrade

[NGNM85]

you're p. right wing comrade

Except in the literal sense. Actually, in the spectrum of Socialist thought, I'm to the Left of you, in a number of respects.

Also; I'm not your 'comrade.'

[The Teacher]

i don't call people fascists i call them liberals

You're right. If you don't understand something you must be a liberal

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Again; it's completely possible to be an entirely philosophically consistent Socialist, Anarchist, etc., and still be Restricted, or Banned.

Also, again; I haven't seen any evidence that there is a substantial population of exceedingly polite Right-wingers who want desperately to engage in substantive, civil conversation on RevLeft.com.
Is this a discussion about how you think you got restricted wrongly? Are we talking about how sometimes people get restricted or banned who shouldn't(I don't know your case so I'm not going to comment on it). No, we're talking about a rule which doesn't allow people who aren't revolutionary leftists onto the forum. Maybe there isn't a hoard of right-wingers at the gates of Revleft waiting for that rule to change but to act like there haven't been people who try and join the forum who aren't revolutionary leftists is just wrong. If you want to have a substantive and civil debate with us but you're not a revolutionary leftist there is a place for that, it's called OI.

[DinodudeEpic]

Oddly enough, I'm a revolutionary leftist, yet I'm not exactly welcomed into a forum FOR revolutionary leftists.

Now, I'm just using myself as an example. Another example would be RGacky, who is restricted. Yet he is pretty much a perfectly orthodox Anarcho-Syndicalist.

I know about restricting people who are not revolutionary leftists, but restricting revolutionary leftists for minor or even false reasons.

(I was restricted for being a social democrat, which I'm not. And, no body has made an official statement on whether mutualists fulfill the criteria for being revolutionary leftists. Mostly because the Admins either don't respond to it, or some other person creates drama that dwarves my requests.)

Note that this is criticizing forum policy, and not an appeal for my restriction. You can see my appeals in the Unfair Restrictions thread.

[Ele'ill]

I've already answered the OP's questions on page one. We don't allow threads on board policy and we don't allow non political threads in OI. Thread closed.