Why I am a Zionist

[Anti-Fascist]

Why I support Zionism

What follows are the chief reasons why I support Zionism stated as briefly as possible.

1. Oppression of the Jews.

The Jewish people are the most oppressed people in all History. Romans feeding Jews to the lions, pogroms in Russia & in Eastern Europe, the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, anti-Semitic Palestinian terrorism, etc., all make this exceedingly clear. In proportion as the gentiles are so inclined to treat Jews in such a way, in that same proportion the feeling of equality and the existence of tolerance between Jews and gentiles are inconceivable.

2. Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism

This being the case, that Zionism is about ending the oppression of Jews, and that the Jews are in fact oppressed, it follows that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. For it is clear that any man who is opposed to ending the oppression of Jews is an anti-Semite, whether he know it or not.

3. Zionism in light of Juche Philosophy

Although the North Koreans support the Palestinians, still, their revolutionary Juche philosophy offers a very convincing justification for Zionism. Kim Jong Il said, in the words of one North Korean, that a culture needs to be viewed "by taking bloodline and language is the common features." He said that what defines a nation must include fellow countrymen "of the same bloodline". Kim Jong Il's definition of a nation is based upon one's blood and language.

I beileve that Kim Jong-il's definition of a nation is correct.

Since I am not going to write a ten-paged essay proving Juche Philosophy correct, I shall leave it at this: I believe Juche Philosopy to be correct, and have extracted therefrom a very convincing justification for Zionism.

Such is my reason for supporting Zionism in light of Juche philosophy.

4. Jewish Culture and History are linked with Israel.

For the Jewish people, the conception of a return to Israel has deep cultural roots. Examples: the Land of Israel is spoken of in many Jewish prayers. The Jewish calender, and with it many holidays, is largely based upon the seasonal conditions of Israel. Festivals (such as Shavuot) were first conceived of in Israel. In every Passover the words "next year in Jerusalem" are said. The Jews are descended from Israelis. As illustrated by the forementioned examples, Jewish history and culture are indeed very intimately connected with Israel. (See also my third reason for supporting Zionism in light of this fourth reason.)

Such are my reasons for supporting Zionism

[Urban Rubble]

Zionism is not anti semitism. I'm so sick of the bullshit.

Also, most people here do not deny that Israel has a right to exist, although they should not have the right to deny Palestenians the right to a homeland. They also need to stop the terrorism, you know, what you Zionists call "retaliation".

[suffianr]

1. Oppression of the Jews.

The Jewish people are the most oppressed people in all History. Romans feeding Jews to the lions, pogroms in Russia & in Eastern Europe, the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, anti-Semitic Palestinian terrorism, etc., all make this exceedingly clear. In proportion as the gentiles are so inclined to treat Jews in such a way, in that same proportion the feeling of equality and the existence of tolerance between Jews and gentiles are inconceivable.

We are now into the 21st Century. No more "Romans feeding Jews to lions", no more "Spanish Inquisition", no Holocaust, no visible threat outside of the state of Israel. So?

[SonofRage]

I would have hoped that everyone would have realized that Anti-Fascist is on a crusade to start threads expressing extreme views to intentionally rile everyone up. Such threads are best left ignored.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 12:36 PM
I would have hoped that everyone would have realized that Anti-Fascist is on a crusade to start threads expressing extreme views to intentionally rile everyone up. Such threads are best left ignored.
Zionism is not an 'extreme view'.

I am merely posting articles from my upcoming website.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 07:01 AM
Zionism is not an 'extreme view'.

I am merely posting articles from my upcoming website.
The idea that anti-zionism is anti-semitism is an extreme view.

[Intifada]

The idea that anti-zionism is anti-semitism is an extreme view.

the idea is EXTREMELY stupid.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by SonofRage+Nov 22 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SonofRage @ Nov 22 2003, 01:59 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 07:01 AM
Zionism is not an &#39;extreme view&#39;.

I am merely posting articles from my upcoming website.
The idea that anti-zionism is anti-semitism is an extreme view. [/b]
It is anti-Semitism to oppose ENDING OPPRESSION of Jews. Zionism is about ending oppression of Jews, the
only way.
Therefore, anyone who opposes Zionism is being anti-Semitic; he is opposing ending oppression of Jews.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 02:08 PM

The idea that anti-zionism is anti-semitism is an extreme view.

the idea is EXTREMELY stupid.
Calling it names won&#39;t help.

[Intifada]

the fact is it is a stupid view. just because one isnt zionist, it does not make one anti-semetic.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 02:16 PM
the fact is it is a stupid view. just because one isnt zionist, it does not make one anti-semetic.
Sure it does, son. Why don&#39;t you refute my reasoning instead of merely
calling it "wrong" or "stupid".

I repeat:

It is anti-Semitism to oppose ENDING OPPRESSION of Jews. Zionism is about ending oppression of Jews, the
only way.
Therefore, anyone who opposes Zionism is being anti-Semitic; he is opposing ending oppression of Jews.

Hint: calling it names is not going to refute it.

[Rastafari]

All of these "Jews" must secretly Heil Hitler, then? (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/)

Rabbis Speak out (http://www.americanfreepress.net/04_28_02/Rabbis_Speak_Out_Against_Zioni/rabbis_speak_out_against_zioni.html)

Just out of curiousity, are you Jewish?

[Rastafari]

Although the North Koreans support the Palestinians
You need to pick a fucking side and be done with it.


Kim Jong Il said, in the words of one North Korean, that a culture needs to be viewed "by taking bloodline and language is the common features." He said that what defines a nation must include fellow countrymen "of the same bloodline". Kim Jong Il&#39;s definition of a nation is based upon one&#39;s blood and language.
Kim Jong Il is a crazy-ass and all this does is prove my point. Didn&#39;t Hilter wan&#39;t the same thing? Is it so wrong to want to clear out land for the "good" people? You are basically defending both the Jewish and Aryan Ubermensch, I hope you know.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 02:36 PM
All of these "Jews" must secretly Heil Hitler, then? (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/)

Rabbis Speak out (http://www.americanfreepress.net/04_28_02/Rabbis_Speak_Out_Against_Zioni/rabbis_speak_out_against_zioni.html)
True, there are many self-hating Jews in the world.
By opposing ENDING oppression of Jews, they are
being anti-Semitic.

[Anti-Fascist]

You need to pick a fucking side and be done with it.

Ah, the simple mind. You either support something
100%, or you are against it 100% - such is the nature
of the simple mind. How I wish I could think in such a
simply and easy way. If only things were that simple.


Kim Jong Il is a crazy-ass

Your bourgeois individualism is showing - you know,
the tendency to resort to personal attacks instead
of proper argumentation.


Didn&#39;t Hilter wan&#39;t the same thing?

Hitler also believed in the theory of gravity. Oh, let&#39;s
reject gravity as well, because Hitler also believed in it&#33;
Please&#33;

[Hate Is Art]

i have no respect for jes who bulldoze palestinians homes and i have no respect for a palestinain who blows himself and other civilians up, both of you grow up and stop blowing the brains out of each, why dont u just talk

[Intifada]

what do you think about the palestinian struggle for freedom?


You mean their stuggle to kill my people with terrorism.



they are oppressed.


By their own kind; not Jews.



they are being occupied illegally,


Nah.



and so have every right to defend themselves and their homeland.


It is not their homeland. Never was. Never will be. There was
no significant Arab presence in that area when the Jews took
it over.



suicide bombings are their only choice.
Disgusting.

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this is what the so called "anti-fascist" said when i asked him about the palestinian struggle. the quotes are what i said.

[Intifada]

You mean their stuggle to kill my people with terrorism.

no i mean their struggle against their israeli oppressors&#33;


they are oppressed.



By their own kind; not Jews.

they are oppressed by the israelis&#33;&#33;


they are being occupied illegally,



Nah.

are you denying that the israelis are occupying palestinian territory?&#33;


It is not their homeland. Never was. Never will be. There was
no significant Arab presence in that area when the Jews took
it over.

that is just dumb&#33;&#33;&#33; the palestinians have a right to live in their land.


suicide bombings are their only choice.

Disgusting.

disgusting yes. but im afraid the palestinians are not given tanks and helicopters by the usa and britain.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 08:12 AM
It is anti-Semitism to oppose ENDING OPPRESSION of Jews. Zionism is about ending oppression of Jews, the
only way.
Therefore, anyone who opposes Zionism is being anti-Semitic; he is opposing ending oppression of Jews.
You redefine terms to fit your arguments. Zionism was originally a political movement among Jews which holds that the Jews are a nation, and as such are entitled to a national homeland. These days it has come to mean that you should support Israel in whatever it does regardless of how injust and illegal.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by SonofRage+Nov 22 2003, 03:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SonofRage @ Nov 22 2003, 03:23 PM)
[email protected] 22 2003, 08:12 AM
It is anti-Semitism to oppose ENDING OPPRESSION of Jews. Zionism is about ending oppression of Jews, the
only way.
Therefore, anyone who opposes Zionism is being anti-Semitic; he is opposing ending oppression of Jews.
You redefine terms to fit your arguments. Zionism was originally a political movement among Jews which holds that the Jews are a nation, and as such are entitled to a national homeland. These days it has come to mean that you should support Israel in whatever it does regardless of how injust and illegal. [/b]
Nope. Wrong again. I did not redefine Zionism. I described it.

[Intifada]

you defined the original idea of zionism. the jews have been liberated, therefore there isnt any point in zionism today.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 03:32 PM
you defined the original idea of zionism. the jews have been liberated, therefore there isnt any point in zionism today.
I have given four reasons. It is not always about oppression (though Jews are oppressed).

[Intifada]

(though Jews are oppressed).

give examples of the oppression they face today.


Kim Jong Il said, in the words of one North Korean, that a culture needs to be viewed "by taking bloodline and language is the common features." He said that what defines a nation must include fellow countrymen "of the same bloodline". Kim Jong Il&#39;s definition of a nation is based upon one&#39;s blood and language.

so what, who cares what he says. the palestinians are the indigenous people of that area. they belong there.


2. Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism

thats just sheer stupidity.


4. Jewish Culture and History are linked with Israel.

this does not give the israelis a right to occupy another peoples&#39; land.

[Intifada]

the result of zionism today...

[The Children of the Revolution]

I despise Zionism; I hate it with a passion.

The Palestinians are the ones being oppressed; the jews have their cursed state. Now they insist on stealing more land and forcing more Palestinians out of their homes. Tell me, do you consider the current Israeli state to be "Zionist"? This "Zionist" state - acting to end the oppression of jews remember - has recently cut social benefits and public spending. Unemployment is rife. Education and health spending has been slashed. And 1/5 of the happily Zionist population does not eat healthily.

What does the money get spent on?

F*****G BOMBS AND F*****G GUNS&#33;&#33;&#33;
DAMNED TANKS&#33;&#33;&#33;
AND A GREAT BIG F*****G WALL&#33;&#33;&#33;

AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE HATE ISRAEL???



Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism


Well, seeing as I am officially an anti-semite...

F**K ISRAEL&#33;&#33;&#33; F**K ZIONISM&#33;&#33;&#33; F**K YOU, "Anti-Fascist"&#33;&#33;&#33;
THE DAMNED ISRAELIS ARE THE ONES THAT DESERVE TO BE BOMBED BACK INTO THE STONE AGE&#33;&#33;&#33;
(at least the ones which are making all the oppressive decisions)
BOMB THE BASTARDS&#33;&#33;&#33;

Ahem. Quite. I don&#39;t have ANYTHING against Jews.
But Zionism is a plague upon this world; the greatest threat to World Peace today&#33;
YES, EVEN MORE SO THAN BUSH AND BLAIR&#33;&#33;&#33;

<rant over>

[Rastafari]

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Theo Herzl wanted to forcibly remove Palestinians from the Jew&#39;s lands, as they were lesser people.
Zionism is working fine today&#33;



you never said if you were Jewish or not; generally an issue like this doesn&#39;t matter unless you are.

[Urban Rubble]

I&#39;m still waiting for an explanation of how Anti Zionism equals Anti Semitism. I have to explain it to my Anti Zionist, but fully jewish friend Chris. Hurry, he&#39;s dying to know how he hates himself.