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Tim Cornelis
6th February 2012, 00:05
Health workers in Kilkis, Greece, have occupied their local hospital and have issued a statement saying it is now fully under workers control.

The general hospital of Kilkis in Greece is now under workers control. The workers at the hospital have declared that the long-lasting problems of the National Health System (ESY) cannot be resolved.

The workers have responded to the regime’s acceleration of fascism by occupying the hospital and outing it under direct and complete control by the workers. All decisions will be made by a ‘workers general assembly’.

The hospital has stated that. “The government is not acquitted of its financial responsibilities, and if their demands are not met, they will turn to the local and wider community for support in every possible way to save the hospital defend free public healthcare, to overthrow the government and every neo-liberal policy.”

From the 6th February, hospital workers will only deal with emergencies until their wages, and monies owed have been paid. They are also demanding a return to wage levels prior to the implementation of austerity measures.

The next general assembly will take place on the 13th, and a related press conference will be given on the 15th.

The following statement has been issued by the workers:

1. We recognize that the current and enduring problems of Ε.Σ.Υ (the national health system) and related organizations cannot be solved with specific and isolated demands or demands serving our special interests, since these problems are a product of a more general anti-popular governmental policy and of the bold global neoliberalism.

2. We recognize, as well, that by insisting in the promotion of that kind of demands we essentially participate in the game of the ruthless authority. That authority which, in order to face its enemy - i.e. the people- weakened and fragmented, wishes to prevent the creation of a universal labour and popular front on a national and global level with common interests and demands against the social impoverishment that the authority's policies bring.

3. For this reason, we place our special interests inside a general framework of political and economic demands that are posed by a huge portion of the Greek people that today is under the most brutal capitalist attack; demands that in order to be fruitful must be promoted until the end in cooperation with the middle and lower classes of our society.

4. The only way to achieve this is to question, in action, not only its political legitimacy, but also the legality of the arbitrary authoritarian and anti-popular power and hierarchy which is moving towards totalitarianism with accelerating pace.

5. The workers at the General Hospital of Kilkis answer to this totalitarianism with democracy. We occupy the public hospital and put it under our direct and absolute control. The Γ.N. of Kilkis will henceforth be self-governed and the only legitimate means of administrative decision making will be the General Assembly of its workers.

6. The government is not released of its economic obligations of staffing and supplying the hospital, but if they continue to ignore these obligations, we will be forced to inform the public of this and ask the local government but most importantly the society to support us in any way possible for: (a) the survival of our hospital (b) the overall support of the right for public and free healthcare (c) the overthrow, through a common popular struggle, of the current government and any other neoliberal policy, no matter where it comes from (d) a deep and substantial democratization, that is, one that will have society, rather than a third party, responsible for making decisions for its own future.

7. The labour union of the Γ.N. of Kilkis will begin, from 6 February, the retention of work, serving only emergency incidents in our hospital until the complete payment for the hours worked, and the rise of our income to the levels it was before the arrival of the troika (EU-ECB-IMF). Meanwhile, knowing fully well what our social mission and moral obligations are, we will protect the health of the citizens that come to the hospital by providing free healthcare to those in need, accommodating and calling the government to finally accept its responsibilities, overcoming even in the last minute its immoderate social ruthlessness.

8. We decide that a new general assembly will take place, on Monday 13 February in the assembly hall of the new building of the hospital at 11 am, in order to decide the procedures that are needed to efficiently implement the occupation of the administrative services and to successfully realise the self-governance of the hospital, which will start from that day. The general assemblies will take place daily and will be the paramount instrument for decision making regarding the employees and the operation of the hospital.

We ask for the solidarity of the people and workers from all fields, the collaboration of all workers' unions and progressive organizations, as well as the support from any media organization that chooses to tell the truth. We are determined to continue until the traitors that sell out our country and our people leave. It's either them or us!
The above decisions will be made public through a news conference to which all the Mass Media (local and national) will be invited on Wednesday 15/2/2012 at 12.30. Our daily assemblies begin on 13 February. We will inform the citizens about every important event taking place in our hospital by means of news releases and conferences. Furthermore, we will use any means available to publicise these events in order to make this mobilization successful.

We call
a) Our fellow citizens to show solidarity to our effort,
b) Every unfairly treated citizen of our country in contestation and opposition, with actions, against his'/her's oppressors,
c) Our fellow workers from other hospitals to make similar decisions,
d) the employees in other fields of the public and private sector and the participants in labour and progressive organizations to act likewise, in order to help our mobilization take the form of a universal labour and popular resistance and uprising, until our final victory against the economic and political elite that today oppresses our country and the whole world.

http://libcom.org/blog/greek-hospital-now-under-workers-control-05022012

and http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/2012/02/05/kilkis-northern-greece-occupation-and-self-management-of-the-citys-general-hospital-by-the-workers/:


Kilkis, Northern Greece: Occupation and self-management of the city’s general hospital by the workers

According to a statement (4-2/2012) released by the workers’ general assembly in the General Hospital of Kilkis, the doctors, nurses and other staff declare that the long-lasting problems of the National Health System (ESY) in the country cannot be solved through limited claims of the health services sector. Thus, workers at the General Hospital respond to the regime’s acceleration of fascism by occupying this public general hospital and putting it under their direct and complete control. The decision-making body for administrative matters will be the workers’ general assembly.

They also stress that the Greek government is not acquitted of its financial obligations towards the hospital. The workers will denounce all competent authorities to the public opinion and, if their demands are not met, turn to the municipalities, the local and the wider community, for support in every possible way of their efforts: to save the hospital and defend the free public health care, to overthrow the government and every neo-liberal policy.

On February 6th the workers will serve only hospital emergencies until full payment of their wages and recovery of their income in the pre-Troika level. However, being fully aware of their social mission and moral commitments associated with their professions, they will protect people’s health that come in to the hospital, providing free care to those in need.

Next general meeting of all employees will be held in the morning of February 13th. Their assembly will take place daily and will be the main body for any decision concerning the workers and the hospitals’ operation.

The workers call for factual solidarity from people and workers in all sectors, for the involvement of trade unions and progressive organizations, and for support by media of real information. They will also give a related press conference on February 15th, at 12.30. Among others, they invite their colleagues at other hospitals to take appropriate decisions, as well as employees of the public and private sector to act likewise.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 00:12
Hopefully all of the working people of Greece will support the occupiers. Is it possible there could be a wave of occupations in sympathy with the hospital workers?

Prometeo liberado
6th February 2012, 01:24
I see it as continuation of one of the only options historically left for the working class. I doubt it will be confined to only hospitals.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 02:09
I hope this is the spark that leads to the flame of revolution.

getfiscal
6th February 2012, 02:28
Large numbers of hospitals and insurance companies in the US are non-profit and non-goverment.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 02:36
Hospitals perhaps, but American insurance companies are rarely non-profit.

Renegade Saint
6th February 2012, 02:44
Large numbers of hospitals and insurance companies in the US are non-profit and non-goverment.
So? Are they under democratic workers' control? That's the only question I care about.

getfiscal
6th February 2012, 02:55
American insurance companies are rarely non-profit.Many Blue Cross ones are non-profit, for example.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 02:59
Blue Cross corporations are not exactly representative of the American insurance industry. Even with respect to Blue Cross there has been a trend away from serving the whole community in the past generation and some Blue Cross companies have switched from non-profit to for profit.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
6th February 2012, 03:37
Large numbers of hospitals and insurance companies in the US are non-profit and non-goverment.

:rolleyes:

I think you are purposefully misunderstanding something here (apart from being completely irrelevant to the topic) and choosing to interpret the meaning of "non-profit" in a more than naïve way.

RevSpetsnaz
6th February 2012, 03:49
This is how it begins.

getfiscal
6th February 2012, 03:57
So? Are they under democratic workers' control? That's the only question I care about.
Yes, the American economy is under democratic workers' control, through their elected representatives.

Renegade Saint
6th February 2012, 04:05
Yes, the American economy is under democratic workers' control, through their elected representatives.
Can we restrict you yet?

Per Levy
6th February 2012, 04:12
Yes, the American economy is under democratic workers' control, through their elected representatives.

bullshit, the ruling class is still the bourgeoisie, the workers have no say whatsoever. except of course you mean the politicians that are bought by the upper class represent "worker controll". then again i just think you'e trolling like in several other threads.

Grenzer
6th February 2012, 04:17
Seriously.. this bullshit from getfiscal is getting tiring. Seems to be pretty obvious trolling. The American economy is under firm control by bourgeoisie and their bought-and-paid for "democratic representatives." The people in Congress don't represent anyone but rich executives, stock brokers, and factory owners. To think otherwise is not only extremely idealistic, but just fucking stupid. This is just basic Marxist analysis.

On a more serious note, it's good to see the workers of Greece standing up for themselves a bit, but I fear that this is just going to remain an isolated incident. Whether or not Greece defaults, we should be seeing an expansion of proletarian consciousness, which is always a good thing.

getfiscal
6th February 2012, 04:28
the workers have no say whatsoever.
This seems false to me. In many countries workers have won a lot of rights and control over the economy through democratic channels, even the US. It's not enough, of course, but let's be serious.

Renegade Saint
6th February 2012, 04:36
bullshit, the ruling class is still the bourgeoisie, the workers have no say whatsoever. except of course you mean the politicians that are bought by the upper class represent "worker controll". then again i just think you'e trolling like in several other threads.
And there's a fact that the US constitution puts a number of restrictions on the workers "elected representatives".

Per Levy
6th February 2012, 04:37
This seems false to me. In many countries workers have won a lot of rights and control over the economy through democratic channels, even the US. It's not enough, of course, but let's be serious.

yeah lets, either way you're a troll or you have no clue whatsoever. or better, show me exactly how this "control over economy", you claim the workers have, works. now.

getfiscal
6th February 2012, 04:53
show me exactly how this "control over economy", you claim the workers have, works. now.In social-democratic countries there are extensive social protections such as health care, education, unemployment insurance, basic welfare, some housing, etc. Hard won rights as a result of the workers movement affecting democratic choices.

NewLeft
6th February 2012, 05:10
Yes, the American economy is under democratic workers' control, through their elected representatives.

Elected representatives? Are you talking about the zombie unions or congress?


In social-democratic countries there are extensive social protections such as health care, education, unemployment insurance, basic welfare, some housing, etc. Hard won rights as a result of the workers movement affecting democratic choices.

Nice save.

Per Levy
6th February 2012, 05:21
In social-democratic countries there are extensive social protections such as health care, education, unemployment insurance, basic welfare, some housing, etc. Hard won rights as a result of the workers movement affecting democratic choices.

so for you a welfare state = workers controll over economy? do i get that right? cause you claimed that workers controll the economy and i wanted prove for that and you told me about the welfare state. m sorry im a bit confused about that. besides that most of these "rights" are getting canned right now all over the world.

getfiscal
6th February 2012, 05:25
so for you a welfare state = workers controll over economy?
It's part of it. Obviously it is not enough. But workers control within individual firms is not really a good measure of socialism, because there are more stakeholders than just production workers. For example, consumers have rights (probably important ones, since we want an economy oriented to needs), citizens have rights to regulate industry and work conditions, there are imperatives of macroeconomic planning and so on. These need to be expressed in parliaments, neighbourhood assemblies and so on.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
6th February 2012, 08:10
Yes, the American economy is under democratic workers' control, through their elected representatives.

Most of the real workers who contribute to America and whose lives are determined by the policies of the USA have no vote, because they are exploited by dictatorships like the PRC or much of Latin America. Even within American democracy, most elected officials represent specific moneyed interests.

X5N
6th February 2012, 20:24
That is awesome.

Red Noob
6th February 2012, 20:41
I bet if you went to Greece you could almost smell revolution in the air.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 21:00
Is there any chance of a general strike occurring, at least throughout Athens?

Sasha
6th February 2012, 21:19
There is one tomorrow, but unless they make it a indefinite one they are fast become a new normal and not much more than a temporary regular nusance to the system.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 21:30
Perhaps moving in the direction of occupations would present a more direct and lasting challenge to the Greek state?

ckaihatsu
7th February 2012, 05:18
[W]orkers control within individual firms is not really a good measure of socialism, because there are more stakeholders than just production workers.




For example, consumers have rights (probably important ones, since we want an economy oriented to needs), citizens have rights to regulate industry and work conditions, there are imperatives of macroeconomic planning and so on. These need to be expressed in parliaments, neighbourhood assemblies and so on.


From a revolutionary leftist position this entire line is nothing but a red herring.

You're showing here that you'd rather side with the status quo -- through reformism -- than consider that it would be *far more* progressive to have the workers entirely in control of all of these aspects you've mentioned.

Once the class division has been obliterated there would no longer be differing economic-sectional interests based on ownership / management, labor, and consumers. Instead those functions would all be 'internal' to society as a whole, with mere coordinating tending to these various aspects of the same economic whole.


[8] communist economy diagram

http://postimage.org/image/1bvfo0ohw/