Introduction to Rap & Hip-Hop for a Metalhead

[Thirsty Crow]

Hey people,

The title of the thread kinda speaks for itself but still, here it goes.
I've been listening to rock and metal (much more the latter) all my life, and just occasionally I managed to enjoy a rap/hip-hop song (I can't really tell the difference between rap and hip-hop).

I think that this is due to what I'd call rap minimalism. Instrumentation is scarce, and I'm used to, and like it when all sorts of things are going on at the same moment.

So, recommend me some good shit, bearing in mind what kind of stuff I might like (which should be clear from what I wrote above; in any case, I thin kI'd drool all over some rap with nice and aggressive beats along some rich instrumental layering).

[Pirate Utopian]

Try this:
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[ed miliband]

no lil b pirate? bad

[mykittyhasaboner]

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[Pirate Utopian]

He said he wanted more agressive stuff. I couldnt really think of anything by Lil B. Never the less, here's Lil B:
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[Thirsty Crow]

He said he wanted more agressive stuff.
Actually, this is not mandatory.
Thanks people, I'll check it out when it I'll get my hands on a computer with functioning speakers (though, you might drop album names for the sake of...purchase :D).

[Sasha]

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[feral bro]

lefties can't do hip hop

[feral bro]

not all strictly 'hip hop'.

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[ВАЛТЕР]

This and any other song off of the classic Nas album: "Illmatic"

Arguably the best hip hop album ever.


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[The Young Pioneer]

Metal > Rap and Hip-Hop

I don't have great suggestions for you. But here's a decent rap song I wish they'd make metal. It'dbesoawesomemetal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjAnxNpG3tk

Edit: Guttural, "NEBO ZASIPAI BAYU BAYU BAIIIII." :wub:

[Rusty Shackleford]

honestly i dont really listen to much rap and hip hop but i will never dislike Cypress Hill.



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This is a scene from a great movie, Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Killah Priest is affiliated with the Wu-Tang Clan
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[Goblin]

The Goblin record is what got me interested in hip hop
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[gorillafuck]

aggressive?

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[Aloysius]

This thread makes me wish I wasn't on a school computer.

[#FF0000]

i guess the safest bet would be to start with the Wu Tang Clan along with some of the solo albums that came out of it -- in particular, Raekwon's "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...", Ghostface Killah's "Supreme Clientele", GZA's "Liquid Swords" and definitely ODB's "Brooklyn Zoo".

But I like most of the suggestions in this thread so yeah.

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[Buitraker]

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[NoMasters]

99% of these posts are a waste of hip hop advice.

Just look up these albums for a quick start. I saw someone earlier put Illmatic up there.

Illmatic- Nas
2pacalypse- Tupac
Whut? Thee Album- Redman
Ready 2 Die- Notorious BIG
Doggystyle- Snoop Dogg
The Infamous- Mobb Deep
Reasonable Doubt- Jay-Z
ATLiens- Outkast
Aquemini- Outkast
Southerplayalisticadillacmusik- Outkast
It Was Written- Nas
The Diary- Scarface
Only Built for Cuban Link- Raekwon
Liquid Swords- GZA
Ironman- Ghostface Killah
Enter the 36 Chambers- Wu-Tang Clan
The Main Ingredient- Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
Hell on Earth- Mobb Deep
Tical- Method Man
Violent by Design- Jedi Mind Tricks
Revolutionary Vol. 1 and Vol 2.- Immortal Technique
Soul Food- Goodie Mob
Moment of Truth- Gangstarr
The Score- The Fugees
Paid in Full- Rakim
4,5,6- Kool G Rap
The Slim Shady LP- Eminem
The Chronic- Dr. Dre
Resurrection- Common
Masters of the Universe- Binary Star


Those are just a few.

You are welcome.

[Buitraker]

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[¿Que?]

Megaton b-boy 2000 El-P on Handsome Boy Modeling School Album How's your Girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGYSwgFJqE)

(Pretty harsh beat and lyrics. Barely listenable, but may appeal to your metal side)




El-P ft. Aesop Rock & Ill Bill - Delorean
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpsF5otkX2Q)

(Check the lectric guitar on this one, pretty metal. There's a lot of really good songs on this album that are pretty fucking noisy. You might also dig track 1 which I could not find on youtube or this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK6RIFKItTg) or this one, which was a single (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leGgNfUAI7w))


You might want to look into Outkast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaYa1bSCg_A)which is known to often use electric distorted guitars in their songs. Also, the offshoot Goodie Mob (well actually Outkast was an offshoot of Goodie Mob (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trtZ2wKYRSE) If I'm not Mistaken), is known for their distorted guitars.


And here's some Bun B (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtKURvVIE1w), just because.

[Pirate Utopian]

Goodie Mob and OutKast are more like affiliates than offshoots.

[teflon_john]

throw all your personal convictions out the window and just have fun okay?



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[teflon_john]

hey, i'm stupid.

[Marquess]

I'm gonna post some Crunkcore.

You'll either really love it, or really hate it. But I have a feeling you might like it since I know plenty of other Metalheads who never heard of it but loved it after they found out.

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[#FF0000]

yo common is really bad imo


I'm gonna post some Crunkcore.

get the fuck out

[ed miliband]

yo common is really bad imo


good taste in beats tho with dilla etc

[Marquess]

get the fuck out

But it's rather cold outside.:(

[Ostrinski]

If instrumentation is what you're looking for then listen to The Roots. It's all live instrumentation. Download Things Fall Apart, it's a classic.

[revhiphop]

Ok, I am actually appalled people are posting Lil Wayne and Waka fucking Flocka. Seriously. These are the kind of rapper perpetuating capitalist ideologies and corrupting the youth, :cursing:

Anyway, I don't have a post count high enough to post links, but if you want some real fucking hip-hop, here is what I recommend. Apologies if anything is repeated and if these guys have some homophobic views. It's very common in the rap game, but I don't think homophobia=capitalist

Binary Star
Tons of shit by Canibus
Comrade Malone
Da Circle
Damian Marley (Reggae rap)
Dan Bull
Dead Prez
Diabolic
Hopsin
Immortal Technique
Jedi Mind Tricks
K-Rino
Lowkey
Lupe Fiasco
Mos Def
Nas
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Mr. Green
Presto
Prince Ea
The Roots
Sabac Red
Scarr (Me, check my signature. New music coming soon.)
Serum
Sherman Austin
Sun Rise Above
Tech N9ne
Vinnie Paz
2Pac

[ed miliband]

waka flocka destroys half the people on yr list

[Ostrinski]

Hopsin is fucking awful. Stole his flow directly from Masta Ace.

Also

Jedi Mind TricksAre you sure you're a leftist? How can you possibly stomach Vinnie Paz's rampant homophobia (even for hip-hop standards it's fucking atrocious) let alone recommend them to another leftist? I mean god damn.

[#FF0000]

Hopsin is fucking awful. Stole his flow directly from Masta Ace.

This This This This This This This a million fucking times.


Are you sure you're a leftist? How can you possibly stomach Vinnie Paz's rampant homophobia (even for hip-hop standards it's fucking atrocious) let alone recommend them to another leftist? I mean god damn.

dogg i listen to Death in June and Burzum

[Ostrinski]

dogg i listen to Death in June and BurzumHmm, you have a point, so do I. But then again I don't think I'd recommend them to another leftist.

[Pretty Flaco]

Not Aggressive:

Mos Def: Habitat, Umi Says, Travellin' Man, Brooklyn,

Nas: One Time 4 Your Mind, It Ain't Hard to Tell, I Can, Nas Is Like

Kid Cudi: Ashin' Kusher, Day N Nite, Make Her Say, Marijuana, Pursuit of Happiness, TGIF

Afroman: Colt 45, Because I Was High

Outkast: almost anything, Ms. Jackson, Rosa Parks, Bombs Over Baghdad, So Fresh So Clean, Hey Ya

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Aggressive:

Big L: Devil's Son, Da Graveyard, Ebonics, Times Iz Hard

Biggie: Victory, Gimme the Loot, Dead Wrong

Crime Mob: Knuck If You Buck

DMX: Party Up In Here

Geto Boys: G Code, Still

Lil Wayne: Cannon, A Milli, 6 Foot 7 Foot (his songs are good for bass)

MOP: Ante Up (this song will make you want to beat the shit out of somebody)

Nas: New York State of Mind

Project Pat: Crack a Head

T.I.: Top Back, 24s, ASAP, Motivation, You Don't Know Me,

Three 6 Mafia: Who Run it, Ridin Spinners, Hit A Muthafucka, Somebody's Gonna Get It, Dis ***** Dat Hoe, One Hitta Quitta

Mellowhype: Fuck the Police

Waka Flocka Flame: anything, Bustin At Em, Hard in da Paint, Bang, Snakes in the Grass

Young Buck: Say It To My face, Stomp That Snitch, Welcome to the South

2pac: Uppercut, Hail Mary, Fuck All Yall, Ride On Our Enemies, Last Muthafucka Breathin

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I tried to put stuff I hadn't seen in this thread yet.

P.S. watch a music video from Outkast and be like WTF

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[revhiphop]

Hopsin is fucking awful. Stole his flow directly from Masta Ace.

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Are you sure you're a leftist? How can you possibly stomach Vinnie Paz's rampant homophobia (even for hip-hop standards it's fucking atrocious) let alone recommend them to another leftist? I mean god damn.

Could you find a song by Hop and a song by Masta Ace and compare how their flows are related? Both of them are fucking awesome.

As for Vinnie Paz: basically,I find it kinda gross to be gay. I hope that works. I think gay sex is gross. So do many other straight people. I'm not anti-gay. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I support rampant homophobia. I think gay people can do what the fuck they like. Back to the actual topic: yes, it's hard to stomach what he says, but I'd rather see someone bumping Jedi Mind Tricks than see someone bumping some Lil Wayne, Flocka, Drake, Tyler the Creator or any other stupid commercial fucks. And honestly, can anyone besides Immortal Technique on Dance with the Devil match a story song such as Uncommon Valor? Btw, check out "Billions (no, not do with money)- Uncommon Valor: Iraq Edition. I know him in real life, he leads a rap group I'm part of. He's also kinda anti-gay, but I gotta give him respect for the opportunities he's given me (meeting Hopsin, SwizZz, Dizzy Wright. Getting on a track with him that will be released soon).

Tl;dr: Jedi Mind Tricks>Commercial rappers. Check out my dude Billions.

I wish I could post links.

[revhiphop]

I would say Masta Ace had a huge impact on Hop (I think he's said that before) but I wouldn't say he stole his flow.

[Pretty Flaco]

Vinnie Paz has some great songs, but I feel like he's starting to lose his touch. He's running out of exploitatively violent titles for his songs now. :rolleyes:

If you want to listen to Jedi Mind Tricks I'd suggest Visions of Gandhi, Servants in Heaven Kings in Hell, and A History of Violence (all of these are albums). My favorite song would have to be Animal Rap.

[revhiphop]

Vinnie Paz has some great songs, but I feel like he's starting to lose his touch. He's running out of exploitatively violent titles for his songs now. :rolleyes:

If you want to listen to Jedi Mind Tricks I'd suggest Visions of Gandhi, Servants in Heaven Kings in Hell, and A History of Violence (all of these are albums). My favorite song would have to be Animal Rap.

Agreed. But I would say Uncommon Valor is my favorite. I love and had remixed I against I's beat.

[Ostrinski]

As for Vinnie Paz: basically,I find it kinda gross to be gay.Then you're a bigoted piece of shit. What if someone said it was gross to be black? You'll be lucky if you don't get banned for that.

Aside from someone like Drake being a better artist than Vinnie Paz, he's far easier to listen to.

[revhiphop]

Then you're a bigoted piece of shit. What if someone said it was gross to be black? You'll be lucky if you don't get banned for that.

Aside from someone like Drake being a better artist than Vinnie Paz, he's far easier to listen to.

Gross=/=bigot. I have no problems with gays. I have LGBT friends. I don't think gay people themselves are gay, but I think the sex acts between them are kinda gross. That being said, I would never ban it or ban gay marriage. I've supported gay marriage since I knew anything about politics.

You can't tell me you'd rather watch gay porn than straight porn (assuming you're straight) (no I don't really support the whole porn industry, but that's the only example I could come up with, lol.

[revhiphop]

What if someone said it was gross to be black?

Then someone said it was gross to be black. And that someone had I thing that was called an opinion. No I don't endorse it, but I'm not going to ban him from saying that. I would ban anyone who advocates bigotry from holding political power, however.

[Zostrianos]

Homophobia, sexism, etc. are often hard to avoid when it comes to hiphop. You have to realize that it's just music, and it was meant to shock and offend people.

Now as for more positive rap that really has a good message, my two top picks are the Roots and the late great Guru. They really tell it like it is.

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basically,I find it kinda gross to be gay.

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[revhiphop]

Then you're a bigoted piece of shit. What if someone said it was gross to be black? You'll be lucky if you don't get banned for that.

Aside from someone like Drake being a better artist than Vinnie Paz, he's far easier to listen to.

Did the admin not allow my response to this? It was fairly rational and other people have gotten their posts approved!

[Ostrinski]

I don't think gay people themselves are gaySo you think it's a choice then. You've got some nerve.

You can't tell me you'd rather watch gay porn than straight porn (assuming you're straight) (no I don't really support the whole porn industry, but that's the only example I could come up with, lol.[/QUOTE]But why can't I?

[Ostrinski]

Then someone said it was gross to be black. And that someone had I thing that was called an opinion. No I don't endorse it, but I'm not going to ban him from saying that. I would ban anyone who advocates bigotry from holding political power, however.No, that would be a bigoted opinion. Which is a bannable offense here.

[Veovis]

Why is gay sex so gross and not straight sex? You people do know what kinds of things come out of vaginas, don't you?

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[Rusty Shackleford]

not the most progressive of lyrics but what the fuck ever.

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[Arilou Lalee'lay]

lyrics are definitely not all leftist kosher. But that's a stupid reason to listen to music or not imo.
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[Le Rouge]

2pac!!!!

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[revhiphop]

So you think it's a choice then. You've got some nerve.

You can't tell me you'd rather watch gay porn than straight porn (assuming you're straight) (no I don't really support the whole porn industry, but that's the only example I could come up with, lol.But why can't I?[/QUOTE]

APOLOGIES. there was a typo. I meant to say "I don't think gay people themselves are gross!"

Hopefully that clears some things up. Sorry for that. I realize that sounded extremely bigoted. If gay is your way then that's ok.

[revhiphop]

Something went wrong with that quote. Whatever.

[revhiphop]

Why is gay sex so gross and not straight sex? You people do know what kinds of things come out of vaginas, don't you?

Lol'd at this.

[Total]

Allright, I'm not gonna post the links but hiphop and metal, look this up

judgement night - a collabo project with big metal and rap artist from that day

heavy metal kings - first it was just a song from Ill Bill and Vinny Paz, now they made an album (not really what I hoped for, and yeah there's a lot to be said about vinny's lyrics)

Cypres Hill - Of course, they did a metallish cd on the skull and bones album and Rise Up, their latest has a firm metal influence (Morello)

Akala - british Mc who plays his own guitar

and if you don't mind the dutch lyrics..

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OSDORP POSSE, founders of dutch hiphop did an album with Nembrionic Hammerdeath (dutch metal) but the made quite a few songs with metalbands..

this one i've gotta post, O.P. and N.H. @ Dynamo open air, huge metal fest, they won the crowd award, slayer finished second.. their version of 'no sleep till brooklyn'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b01yvOlXn8

and one with blind justice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MaCv6cm5Iw

[Yuppie Grinder]

lefties can't do hip hop
absolutely not true