Kim Jong-un "Military Genius"

[seventeethdecember2016]

jGVdRALCiGw

The Great Leader with all his intellect has done so much in such little time.
ROFL!!!

[Aleenik]

http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/5724948/945/833/006/un.jpg

[Veovis]

The leader worship in North Korea is so overblown, I have to wonder how many people there actually buy into it.

[robear]

The leader worship in North Korea is so overblown, I have to wonder how many people there actually buy into it.

I'm certain a majority of North Koreans believe very strongly in their leader. From a young age that is what they have been taught to do. Anyways, I thought the part with him writing a book on military strategy at the age of 16 was pretty funny.

I've read an article somewhere of him having three times as many North Koreans who escaped to China killed than his father. I don't think the situation there will change anytime soon.

[ManEggL]

Ah, North Korea, a great example of a pseudo-absolutist monarchy.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I really wonder if the DPRK leadership realize they are viewed by leftists with such repugnance ...

[Igor]

Ah, North Korea, a great example of a pseudo-absolutist monarchy.


You really seem to like this word, considering this is the second NK thread you post the very same sentence. Still, really, care to point out how exactly NK pretends to be an absolutist monarchy?

[Renegade Saint]

I really wonder if the DPRK leadership realize they are viewed by leftists with such repugnance ...
Probably not. This sloppy kisses bestowed by the PSL, WWP, et al on the DPRK rulers probably outweighs the disdain felt by most leftists to them.

[Aleenik]

I really wonder if the DPRK leadership realize they are viewed by leftists with such repugnance ...They probably don't give a crap cuz they aren't leftist. The only good thing to come from those fuckers is their unwilling involvement in internet culture.:p
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lvDn7hkfJKQ/Tu8GskQ8-XI/AAAAAAAABAE/p27zSy-0oQk/s1600/kju.jpg

[Deicide]

How dare you doubt the military genius of the supreme leader and great sucessor Kim-Jung-Un! Comrades, it seems you need to visit a re-education camp! So you can be educated about the brilliance of Juche! ;)

Joking aside, North Korea, for me at least, induces serious doubt regarding the pragmatism of vanguardism. Transforming into despotic regimes appears to be a natural conclusion for vanguard parties..

''If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Czar himself!''

[seventeethdecember2016]

I really wonder if the DPRK leadership realize they are viewed by leftists with such repugnance ...
They probably do know. It is just a simple search on the web, and I'm sure their government has access to this. No doubt they disregard us.

I wonder what goes on in Communist learning centers; apparently Junior Communist groups in China and Cuba are allowed to question their governments. I wonder if NK has that too.

[Ocean Seal]

Why is every response to a North Korea thread so damn stupid. Seriously, everyone focuses on the other threads (for the most part) and tries to give reasonable answers, but when it fucking comes to North Korea it immediately devolves into oh hey look if I post a picture with absolutely no relevance I'm going to get rep points. And then of course taking a shot at the PSL/FSRO/WWP. Even when the users have only probably read their articles tangentially, but they heard that those parties support the Kim's unabashedly.

We get it, North Korea is a capitalist dictatorship where the leaders have a terrible cult of personality. We've heard it before and pretty much everyone is in agreement here.

How about a discussion regarding why they would tout Un as a military genius being that they have not really emphasized this in the past.

How how North Korea's political economy is changing.

If you want to visit a thread without political significance on the Kim's there's always reddit.

[Aleenik]

Why is every response to a North Korea thread so damn stupid. Seriously, everyone focuses on the other threads (for the most part) and tries to give reasonable answers, but when it fucking comes to North Korea it immediately devolves into oh hey look if I post a picture with absolutely no relevance I'm going to get rep points. And then of course taking a shot at the PSL/FSRO/WWP. Even when the users have only probably read their articles tangentially, but they heard that those parties support the Kim's unabashedly.

We get it, North Korea is a capitalist dictatorship where the leaders have a terrible cult of personality. We've heard it before and pretty much everyone is in agreement here.

How about a discussion regarding why they would tout Un as a military genius being that they have not really emphasized this in the past.

How how North Korea's political economy is changing.

If you want to visit a thread without political significance on the Kim's there's always reddit.The North Korean leadership deserves to be made fun of. Just trying to have a little fun. And actually the pictures I posted did have relevance to things. Like father, like un. Basically it, obviously, is saying he is a lot like his father. And the second picture I posted was mocking Un for being fat while so many North Koreans are starving to death. They weren't just some random 'lol check this pic out' things. But yes, they were intended to add humor.

We really can't know things like why they are touting him as a military genius at this specific moment and not at another moment, but this is North Korea. It doesn't have to make sense. And even if it does make sense, we can't know the answer.

[Luc]

jGVdRALCiGw

The Great Leader with all his intellect has done so much in such little time.
ROFL!!!

Why are there subtitles???:confused:

[Ocean Seal]

The North Korean leadership deserves to be made fun of. Just trying to have a little fun. And actually the pictures I posted did have relevance to things. Like father, like un. Basically it, obviously, is saying he is a lot like his father. And the second picture I posted was mocking Un for being fat while so many North Koreans are starving to death. They weren't just some random 'lol check this pic out' things. But yes, they were intended to add humor. Sorry that you don't like that.

Its alright, I think I overreacted, you don't have to apologize.
While they don't deserve to be respected, I think that we as the left do not try hard enough to assess the situation in the DPRK and instead subscribe to the western image that has been painted for us, instead of trying to see how people actually are in the DPRK.

For example a lot of people on the left immediately assume that everyone from the DPRK is a brainwashed droid without any evidence really. We need to understand how North Korean capitalism works if we ever want to spread the revolution there or understand imperialist aspirations in the area.




We really can't know things like why they are touting him as a military genius at this specific moment and not at another moment, but this is North Korea. It doesn't have to make sense. And even if it does make sense, we can't know the answer.
But we can, we just don't look hard enough.

[Omsk]

He is almost identical to Kim Il Sung.

[Roach]

The North Korean leadership deserves to be made fun of. Just trying to have a little fun. And actually the pictures I posted did have relevance to things. Like father, like un. Basically it, obviously, is saying he is a lot like his father.

Hahaha, I get it, the North Korean leadership trying to prove to it's own people that they are actually capable of defending the country from a very possible western military invasion by the means of some rather exagerated propaganda is so funny.

Also, if North Korea is such a dreadful militaristic absolute monarchy, wouldn't it be actually possible that the appointed successor, in this case the son of Kim Jong-Il, ''the prince'', might have had at least some very basic education about military strategy?

[ColonelCossack]

He looks like me when I was a baby. Just sayin'.

He probably also acts like me when I was a baby.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Obviously a great deal of North Korea's rhetoric is ridiculous, but I agree that the majority of commentary in this thread and others like it could be straight out of the comments section of msnbc. It stinks of liberalism. There is more than enough material to criticize North Korea intelligently without resorting to image macros and other childishness.

[Zostrianos]

He is almost identical to Kim Il Sung.

You're right, they look almost identical:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01670/kim-il-sung_1670436c.jpg

[KurtFF8]

Obviously a great deal of North Korea's rhetoric is ridiculous, but I agree that the majority of commentary in this thread and others like it could be straight out of the comments section of msnbc. It stinks of liberalism. There is more than enough material to criticize North Korea intelligently without resorting to image macros and other childishness.

Agreed. It seems that much of the Left gets trapped into this "They are either evil or you worship their leadership" kind of logic.

When a major demonstration happens and a newspaper or cable TV report talks about the evil anarchists and radicals who just wanted to ruin all things good, we usually all agree that this is the result of corporate media not being in the interests of the working class, or engage in broader methods of analysis to demonstrate the flaws of the media.

When it comes to the DPRK, it seems that many on the Left (and this isn't an attack on anyone in particular, I'm guilty of this to an extent too) just uncritically accept the narrative. The things being reported by the media are thus accepted as "obvious."

The DPRK's relative isolation in terms of getting information of course perpetuates this to an extent, and the exaggerations of their state media are quite obvious and glaring. But does that mean that reports from Western sources thus have a "more objective" stance?

That's not to say that if something is in bourgeois media that we should just reject it outright of course, that would be quite silly. But we should be trying to understand the situation a little bit more than we are.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Kurt-a part of this is people trying to disassociate themselves from a state capitalist regime which claims to be "communist" but is rightly loathed around the world as a petty militarist dictatorship. This is obvious reinforced by the fact that calling yourself a "Communist", especially in a place like America, makes ignorant people assume that you support states like that and want people in the US to adopt a similar political model. Throwing up memes and insulting the system is an easy way for Leftists to say that the DPRK is not what they mean when they talk about "Socialism". As such I think the reason people of the Socialist mindset in the USA or Europe are so quick to criticize a state like the DPRK is psychological. On the other hand, you are correct that real critics of the regime should not just throw up internet memes but provide real analysis of why the regime is corrupt.

You are right that it is naive to accept the press version of the DPRK. But considering the DPRK exploits surplus value by whoring out its workers to logging companies in Siberia or sweat shops in Mongolia and China, and keeps countless people in labor prison camps without any transparency regarding the quality of treatment, I personally have no problem with the fact that many Leftists so revile that government. It isn't just the "international press" that bothers people there are very real problems with the North Korean regime.

Anyway, this isn't how the bourgeois press is showing the North Korean leadership, this is right off of one of their own propaganda reels. Their level of hero worship in said propaganda reels should be laughable to any socialist ... at least this time around people are ridiculing the DPRK for things which DPRK media says!


Obviously a great deal of North Korea's rhetoric is ridiculous, but I agree that the majority of commentary in this thread and others like it could be straight out of the comments section of msnbc. It stinks of liberalism. There is more than enough material to criticize North Korea intelligently without resorting to image macros and other childishness.

I didn't realize internet memes were "liberal" :rolleyes:

Yeah it would be better for people to argue using actual, and memes rarely if ever lead to thoughtful analysis, but hey, this is an internet forum, memes are like roaches, they come into every thread and though the mods try hard to control them, they always seem to multiply ...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/219/360/kim%20il.png?1324271008

aaaah see what I mean?


Hahaha, I get it, the North Korean leadership trying to prove to it's own people that they are actually capable of defending the country from a very possible western military invasion by the means of some rather exagerated propaganda is so funny.

Also, if North Korea is such a dreadful militaristic absolute monarchy, wouldn't it be actually possible that the appointed successor, in this case the son of Kim Jong-Il, ''the prince'', might have had at least some very basic education about military strategy?

I know I find obviously exaggerated propaganda and bluster funny.

Kim Jong Un was only appointed more recently as a successor after his fathers health declined and his brothers were deemed inappropriate, and a 27 year old with no actual wartime experience leading an army cannot be called a "military genius" either way. I don't care how much Chess, Civ 5 or Starcraft II that kid plays, he has not had a real opportunity to do something worth being called "genius" in the military arena.


You're right, they look almost identical:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01670/kim-il-sung_1670436c.jpg

One of the "Theories" I've read in the Western press is that they are actually happily playing that physical similarity up for propaganda purposes, especially since Kim Il Sung is remembered more fondly than his son, who reigned during a long period of economic crisis.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I didn't realize internet memes were "liberal" :rolleyes:

Yeah it would be better for people to argue using actual, and memes rarely if ever lead to thoughtful analysis, but hey, this is an internet forum, memes are like roaches, they come into every thread and though the mods try hard to control them, they always seem to multiply ...


I absolutely associate weak analysis with liberalism. The meme itself lacking humour is not something that can be easily blamed on a political ideology.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I absolutely associate weak analysis with liberalism. The meme itself lacking humour is not something that can be easily blamed on a political ideology.

I've read weak analysis from Marxists, Anarchists, Liberals, Hoxhaists, Trotskyists, Fascists, Conservatives, Leninists, Titoists, Islamic Fundamentalists ... there's nothing liberal about "weak analysis." One Marxist-Leninist once put up an article by a Soviet writer from the late 40s/early 50s who railed against "rootless cosmopolitans" (a Stalinist code-word for educated Jews) as people trying to undermine the unity of society. I found the analysis to be no more engaging than one of those internet memes.

There has also historically been excellent liberal analysis, and there still is. How would the bourgeois have ever taken power and then held onto it for 2-3 centuries without good analysis of their material conditions?

[Renegade Saint]

Hahaha, I get it, the North Korean leadership trying to prove to it's own people that they are actually capable of defending the country from a very possible western military invasion by the means of some rather exagerated propaganda is so funny.

Also, if North Korea is such a dreadful militaristic absolute monarchy, wouldn't it be actually possible that the appointed successor, in this case the son of Kim Jong-Il, ''the prince'', might have had at least some very basic education about military strategy?
I suppose it's possible that there could be an invasion of North Korea, just like it's "possible" that the US could invade any country, but it's absurd to think that that possibility is anything other than extremely improbable.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I've read weak analysis from Marxists, Anarchists, Liberals, Hoxhaists, Trotskyists, Fascists, Conservatives, Leninists, Titoists, Islamic Fundamentalists ... there's nothing liberal about "weak analysis." One Marxist-Leninist once put up an article by a Soviet writer from the late 40s/early 50s who railed against "rootless cosmopolitans" (a Stalinist code-word for educated Jews) as people trying to undermine the unity of society. I found the analysis to be no more engaging than one of those internet memes.

There has also historically been excellent liberal analysis, and there still is. How would the bourgeois have ever taken power and then held onto it for 2-3 centuries without good analysis of their material conditions?

Sorry I should have specified that I meant the weak liberal analysis regarding North Korea, obviously any political ideology can be guilty of being lazy or incompetent on various topics. The analysis I'm taking issue with is one that relies only on ridiculing the North Korean leadership while suppressing any meaningful discussion of the situation that leadership finds itself in.

[eyeheartlenin]

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Joking aside, North Korea, for me at least, induces serious doubt regarding the pragmatism of vanguardism. Transforming into despotic regimes appears to be a natural conclusion for vanguard parties..

''If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Czar himself!''

I really like the quote above, against absolute power. Could someone let me know who said it?

I could easily see a situation in which the only people who eat regularly are the ruling caste and the repressive organs that serve them, and I am betting that's the situation in the "People's Democratic Republic."

And, in a situation like that in North Korea, where the society is chronically unable to provide its participants with enough food to survive, isn't it sheer lunacy for the far left (which is not a pejorative) to talk about "socialism" or "defending the gains (sic) of the revolution" (sic), as some groups still do? if North Korea is falling back into starvation, as reported, doesn't that mean there is no exchange between the countryside and the cities, in which case, isn't questionable whether there is a functioning society at all, and therefore no "gains" for leftists to defend?

Thanks in advance. ehl

[Bronco]

I really like the quote above, against absolute power. Could someone let me know who said it?

I could easily see a situation in which the only people who eat regularly are the ruling caste and the repressive organs that serve them, and I am betting that's the situation in the "People's Democratic Republic."

And, in a situation like that in North Korea, where the society is chronically unable to provide its participants with enough food to survive, isn't it sheer lunacy for the far left (which is not a pejorative) to talk about "socialism" or "defending the gains (sic) of the revolution" (sic), as some groups still do? if North Korea is falling back into starvation, as reported, doesn't that mean there is no exchange between the countryside and the cities, in which case, isn't questionable whether there is a functioning society at all, and therefore no "gains" for leftists to defend?

Thanks in advance. ehl

It's a Bakunin quote I believe

[Aleenik]

Obviously a great deal of North Korea's rhetoric is ridiculous, but I agree that the majority of commentary in this thread and others like it could be straight out of the comments section of msnbc. It stinks of liberalism. There is more than enough material to criticize North Korea intelligently without resorting to image macros and other childishness.As Sinister Cultural Marxist said, since when are image macros liberal?


I absolutely associate weak analysis with liberalism. The meme itself lacking humour is not something that can be easily blamed on a political ideology.Say what? If something is a weak analysis that doesn't make it liberal. No clue where you got that idea. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it liberal.

[Deicide]

I really like the quote above, against absolute power. Could someone let me know who said it?


It's by Bakunin.

I'll reference quotes in future.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

As Sinister Cultural Marxist said, since when are image macros liberal?

Say what? If something is a weak analysis that doesn't make it liberal. No clue where you got that idea. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it liberal.

In spite of quoting them, you seem to have not ready any of my posts. The habitual superficial ridicule heaped upon the ruling elite of North Korea is a clever tactic of the liberal press. There's no need to ask how a country should act when it has two incredibly powerful armies massed on its borders, if you can blame the entire situation on a lone madman.

This is a tactic repeated everywhere. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. Rather than encourage critical thinking, we instead are fed the line that the events that took place under these people were nothing but the direct results of the individual mania these men were supposedly afflicted with. This provides a simple and clean answer, where we in the advanced capitalist countries are kind and rational, all others are dangerous and psychotic.

It's a weak analysis. As I said it belongs in the liberal press, and it's annoying to continually encounter it on the left.

[gorillafuck]

I really wonder if the DPRK leadership realize they are viewed by leftists with such repugnance ...I don't think they care what anyone thinks aside from dealing with foreign governments and foreign parties that ally with them (but even then, I doubt they actually care too much about the western and European ML parties)

[bcbm]

As Sinister Cultural Marxist said, since when are image macros liberal?

um well depends what they're saying. but they are considered spam too

[Veovis]

I'm certain a majority of North Koreans believe very strongly in their leader. From a young age that is what they have been taught to do.

I and most of the others here from the USA were taught from childhood that our country was the most free and democratic nation on earth and that the USA is always the good guy. Look how well that notion has stuck.

[GoddessCleoLover]

IMO the entire impetus of the DPRK is to maintain a familial dynastic rule. The best evidence indicates that the DPRK structure is that of a military dictatorship and that the Worker's party is substantially moribund. Is there any evidence that the working class exercises any power in the DPRK? The same point might fairly be raised with respect to the PRC or Raul Castro's military dictatorship. Perhaps it is easier for revolutionary leftists to excoriate the DPRK since they have a poor track record on everything from basic economic competence to a failure to even minimally respecting the human rights of the workers for whom they claim act as a vanguard. I hope to refrain from parodying that regime not because they have earned any respect, rather because of the enormity of their betrayal of the working class and the rest of the Korean population.

[piet11111]

You're right, they look almost identical:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01670/kim-il-sung_1670436c.jpg

Ya know i think they might be related :)

But really is this kind of propaganda anything unexpected ?

What does interest me is if there have been any policy changes that might signify a drastic chance of economic planning.
Not that i expect that though as the North Korean government has to my knowledge not replaced any higher officials.

Anyone have information on any changes that may have happened with Jong-Un taking over ?

[Sendo]

I and most of the others here from the USA were taught from childhood that our country was the most free and democratic nation on earth and that the USA is always the good guy. Look how well that notion has stuck.

Americans eat as much propaganda, if not more than, as any other people on Earth.

However, our propaganda was centred on the past and re-writing it constantly. It's like (pardon the reference) 1984. Our manipulation comes at the manipulation of history.

Washington, Jefferson, Paine et al were larger than life Gods, were God-fearing Protestants, and were right-wing economists. That's the High School history textbook propaganda that's been going off-and-on for decades.

North Korea's propaganda relates to the present and is more easily falsifiable to the less educated Westerner.

But at least their propaganda is based on facts like Kim Il-sung being an anti-Japanese fighter (not the winner of WW2, but still) and the fact that the USA invaded Korea and started the Korean War. Even though the USA forced South Korea to unilaterally and un-diplomatically declare itself the true gov't of all Korea in August 1948, and that Gen MacArthur went batshit insane and tried to start a nuclear war against the commies by invading China (even Truman said he went too far and fired his ass) Westerners believe that North Korea started the war.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It's like Red Dawn, Americans feared a Soviet invasion even though we invaded them first in 1919.