Tommy Sheridan freed from prison

[Die Neue Zeit]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/tommy-sheridan-freed-prison-110604068.html



Former MSP Tommy Sheridan has been freed from prison after serving just over one year of his three-year sentence for lying under oath.

The 47-year-old was walked out of Castle Huntly open prison near Dundee and was met by his wife Gail.

The politician and former Celebrity Big Brother contestant was jailed on January 26 last year for committing perjury during his successful defamation action against the News of the World in 2006.

He was awarded £200,000 in damages after winning the civil case but a jury at the High Court in Glasgow found him guilty of lying about the now-defunct tabloid's claims that he was an adulterer who visited a swingers' club.

Trial judge Lord Bracadale subsequently handed the former leader of the Scottish Socialist Party (SSP) a three-year jail sentence, telling him his decision to pursue the Sunday tabloid for defamation "brought the walls of the temple crashing down" on him. A statement is expected to be issued from his home in Glasgow later.

Sheridan's trial was one of the longest of its kind in Scottish legal history. He was convicted of five out of six allegations in a single charge of perjury, relating to his evidence during the civil action at the Court of Session in Edinburgh.

During the three-month High Court trial, Sheridan claimed he was the victim of a "vendetta" by the police and a "conspiracy" involving the Sunday newspaper and former colleagues within the SSP.

In August last year he was denied the chance to appeal against his conviction, following a ruling by senior judges.

Any prisoner serving a sentence of less than four years is currently eligible for automatic early release at the halfway point in their jail term. Sheridan would therefore be entitled to be freed from prison after 18 months.

However, under current provisions, it is possible for individuals to spend up to the last six months of their sentence on home detention curfew. This means they can be freed from prison to live at home but must wear an electronically monitored tag for the remainder of their sentence.

[dodger]

ZEIT, I am not too proud to beg you, let it die. It's back to the sun bed, if he's gagged, that wife of his , a true media grotesque will speak for him, I'm sure. Perhaps he will start his own 6th International. I already sense a book, maybe a movie certainly a 2min media frenzy. His ex comrades have produced a pamphlet, I should so like to know how 6 fat asrses lost their comfortable seats in parliament. Don't suppose we'll be any the wiser. Not a pretty story however it might be spun, as always "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!" My advice, watch out for snitches, particularly your own dear comrades. Stalin is dead, or instinctively I should have sensed he had a hand in their downfall.

[Sam_b]

Absolutely no idea what the post above is about or is supposed to mean. What this has to do with 'EU Parliament' is beyond me.

[dodger]

Absolutely no idea what the post above is about or is supposed to mean. What this has to do with 'EU Parliament' is beyond me.

I stand corrected 6 Scottish mp's. ,I presume, either way I would have thought people in Scotland are obsessing about other things than Sheridan. Jobs, education and of course the health service. I have nil insight about the Sheridan business, beyond Rupert Murdoch is not an enemy to be taken lightly.

[Q]

Has it been a year already? Time does fly. Although I don't think it has flown that much for Sheridan.

[Sam_b]

I stand corrected 6 Scottish mp's. ,I presume, either way I would have thought people in Scotland are obsessing about other things than Sheridan. Jobs, education and of course the health service. I have nil insight about the Sheridan business, beyond Rupert Murdoch is not an enemy to be taken lightly.

It was mostly that your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[dodger]

It was mostly that your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

That's quite possibly because the whole Sheridan saga never quite gelled into something that might be called political. A media circus.If any here can point me to a place where I might find some clarity, fine. Until that time I shall wallow in confusion and ignorance, and glad of it.

[Sam_b]

More the point that your grammar made the whole thing very hard to comprehend, and then degenerated into 'do the time' nonsense and something, bizarrely, about Stalin being dead.

[dodger]

More the point that your grammar made the whole thing very hard to comprehend, and then degenerated into 'do the time' nonsense and something, bizarrely, about Stalin being dead.

What are we supposed to say to MP'S when they get rumbled, some with their hands in the till, even. I can't make head nor tail of the gossip. Scottish people evidently rejected them. His own party members gave evidence against him. One ex member of his party told me it was a Stalinist plot. She was laughing, I recall.She knew as much as I did, i.e. nil. That whole saga is bizarre, and it just wont be ending any time soon. Not a great recommendation for socialist politics.No there wont even be a bitter end, it will just keep running. Oh well wait for the book, but which book? I'm quite sure people have got their hands full with other more important matters.Media savvy ex cons on breakfast news wont spoil my day, though I may switch channel.

[Sam_b]

Fuck it, i'm not even going to try.

[Die Neue Zeit]

ZEIT, I am not too proud to beg you, let it die. It's back to the sun bed, if he's gagged, that wife of his , a true media grotesque will speak for him, I'm sure. Perhaps he will start his own 6th International. I already sense a book, maybe a movie certainly a 2min media frenzy. His ex comrades have produced a pamphlet, I should so like to know how 6 fat asrses lost their comfortable seats in parliament. Don't suppose we'll be any the wiser. Not a pretty story however it might be spun, as always "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!" My advice, watch out for snitches, particularly your own dear comrades. Stalin is dead, or instinctively I should have sensed he had a hand in their downfall.

My political message was entirely different. I was hoping this would be another snub, kick, and insult to the deceptive legacy of News of the World.

If anyone wishes to move this to Non-Political, I'm OK with it.

[dodger]

My political message was entirely different. I was hoping this would be another snub, kick, and insult to the legacy of News of the World.

If anyone wishes to move this to Non-Political, I'm OK with it.

No zeit......I have said my piece, I allowed my frustration to spill over. Indeed News of the World is part of the sorry saga. It would not be at all ironical to move it to non political. All the characters in the story have indeed been kicked, snubbed and insulted far better than I would attempt in a post. Truth to tell it is a sad old story and we are either not interested or have lost any hope of unravelling what took place. These characters all suffer from the illusion they are Teflon and nothing can stick to them.Subsequent events proved all of them wrong. As for your point about Murdoch his reputation amongst all sections of Britons could not be any lower. Perhaps America still loves Murdoch? OK, perhaps no. What this really brings into sharp focus is not Murdoch but Socialists in Parliament. I would not trust myself there and dammed if I would give any other man or woman the benefit of the doubt. Corrupt and corrupting it seems in equal measure. Fed a steady diet of lies and facts withheld, Plebs like me continue to suspect the worse of all parties and characters involved. Media has become ever more sophisticated, so no surprise then that so have we. On occasion we even press ahead of the game. Like old grannies we sit in front of the Guillotine and pausing only with our knitting, to watch the next aristos head fall into the basket. Pity then that we could not wait until after the revolution before we started 'devouring our own.'!?!

[A Marxist Historian]

That's quite possibly because the whole Sheridan saga never quite gelled into something that might be called political. A media circus.If any here can point me to a place where I might find some clarity, fine. Until that time I shall wallow in confusion and ignorance, and glad of it.

It wqs a very simple affair. The leaders of the old Scottish Socialist Party decided to get rid of Sheridan, so they decided to help Murdoch and the british ruling class throw him in jail for personal matters that are nobody's business except his own.

Thereby destroying their own party, as Scottish voters, quite properly, were repulsed.

-M.h.-

[maskerade]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/tommy-sheridan-freed-prison-110604068.html

The politician and former Celebrity Big Brother contestant was jailed on January 26 last year for committing perjury during his successful defamation action against the News of the World in 2006.



...what?

[Bronco]

...what?

Yeah he was on there the series with Coolio, Latoya Jackson and Ulrika Jonsson, didn't do too badly as far as I remember

[dodger]

It wqs a very simple affair. The leaders of the old Scottish Socialist Party decided to get rid of Sheridan, so they decided to help Murdoch and the british ruling class throw him in jail for personal matters that are nobody's business except his own.

Thereby destroying their own party, as Scottish voters, quite properly, were repulsed.

-M.h.-

Not just Scots. you put your case succinctly as I hoped someone might.Indeed I had reached many of the conclusions under my own steam. Thank you for your reply, I fully expect this sorry story to carry on for years. It is possible, naye a foregone conclusion, Sheridan, is the last nail in the coffin of socialists in Parliament. At least we saw the consequences, with our own eyes.

[El Chuncho]

Fuck it, i'm not even going to try.

Maybe you shouldn't have tried to be a grammar nazi then? :cool:

Anyway, as per usual a ''somebody'' got it easy when so many ''nobodies'' get the book lobbed, ferociously, in the face, and spend years (not exceeding seven, in the UK) in prison for perjury. :rolleyes:

[m-l Power]

I don´t know neither this guy nor his organization. Could somebody explain me that questions?

[Q]

I don´t know neither this guy nor his organization. Could somebody explain me that questions?

Have a look on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Sheridan).

[gorillafuck]

Maybe you shouldn't have tried to be a grammar nazi then? :cool:there's a difference between being a grammar nazi and pointing out when someone makes a post that actually makes no sense.

[Rafiq]

Dodger I'm sorry but your posts hurt my brain

[El Chuncho]

there's a difference between being a grammar nazi and pointing out when someone makes a post that actually makes no sense.

Funny that I could understand him, isn't? No, Sam B was being a grammar NAZI and criticizing another member for having a poorer grasp - or at least a more carefree posting style - of English than he has, regardless of Dodger's social-economic background. Not everyone can be good at the same things; some people write elegantly, others do not. Nice one defending such an elitist attitude, though, Zeekloid!

[Sam_b]

No, Sam B was being a grammar NAZI and criticizing another member for having a poorer grasp

No, I genuinely have no idea what he is on about.

What Stalin has to do with Sheridan is beyond me.

[El Chuncho]

No, I genuinely have no idea what he is on about.

Then why not just ask politely rather than being a little fuhrer? :rolleyes: Socialism does not mean 'anti-social attitude', Sam. :marx:

[Sam_b]

Then why not just ask politely rather than being a little fuhrer?

Do you think it is appropriate to compare posters in a leftist forum to a fascist and anti-Semitic leader?

[El Chuncho]

Yes. If someone acts like a grammar NAZI I'll always call them out on it. See, Sam, I do not like elitists of any description and I do not care whether they are admins, mods or just regular members. I have a right to express my opinions, just as you (perhaps) unfortunately have the right to express yours. And I said that you were ''being a little Fuhrer'' for the reason that I did not specifically want to call you ''little Hitler'' (as in ''grammar fuhrer'', a higher grade of grammar NAZI), but if you want to see a real, non-superficial comparison there, suit yourself.

Thanks for the vindictive neg-rep, Sam B (about 30 or so points down now; aren't you the tough one?). It just makes you look immature. And no, it is not trolling to criticize your actions at all, and if you feel it is perhaps you should reconsider your position as a mod. :rolleyes:

[Sam_b]

What is it about idiots that always bring out neg-rep as if it's some sort of heinous thing? It's an option available to me, and I use it when I disapprove of a post, which I did. So suddenly I'm a bad guy for using a board feature. Yawn.

I don't care if you 'hate elitists of any description' because this is not what it is about. Obviously i'm an 'elitist' because I cannot read a single damn thing that user has posted in this thread, which is a rambling mixture of nonsense to my eyes (again, nobody has been able to explain what Stalin apparently has to do with anything in this context). You're not 'expressing your opinion' as much as you are now accusing me of being some sort of anti-Semitic leader.

So this is for you:


Yes. If someone like a grammar Nazi I'll always call them out on it. You see Sam, I do not like elitists of any description, and I do not care whether they are admins, mods or just regular members. I have a right to express my opinions, just as you ,perhaps unfortunately, have the right to express yours.

Thanks for the vindictive neg-rep, Sam_b (about 30 or so points down now; aren't you the tough one?). No, it is not trolling to criticize your actions at all; and if you feel it is perhaps you should reconsider your position as a mod.


"Reconsider your position as a mod". Yawn, such a rebel.

[gorillafuck]

It just makes you look immature.you're comparing him to hitler. yet he's being immature.


Funny that I could understand him, isn't? No, Sam B was being a grammar NAZI and criticizing another member for having a poorer grasp - or at least a more carefree posting style - of English than he has, regardless of Dodger's social-economic background. Not everyone can be good at the same things; some people write elegantly, others do not. Nice one defending such an elitist attitude, though, Zeekloid!it's not that he speaks in a way that sounds kind of odd to someone used to english, it's that his sentences he's made in this thread don't make sense together or seem relevant....

[El Chuncho]

What is it about idiots that always bring out neg-rep as if it's some sort of heinous thing?

The neg-rep is not the issue, the issue is that you did so because you are an immature and vindictive baby. The main thing is that you did so claiming my post was ''out of line and trolling''. I sincerely and honestly doubt that you would have done the same if my post was directed against someone you despise.


So suddenly I'm a bad guy for using a board feature. Yawn.

''Yawn''. You are acting as if it was not personal to you (despite the fact that my post itself was directed at your childish attitude towards another poster). ''Yawn'' indeed.


Obviously i'm an 'elitist' because I cannot read a single damn thing that user has posted in this thread, which is a rambling mixture of nonsense to my eyes (again, nobody has been able to explain what Stalin apparently has to do with anything in this context). You're not 'expressing your opinion' as much as you are now accusing me of being some sort of anti-Semitic leader.

Laughable. How old are you, Sam B? Don't take superficial idioms too close to heart. Do you really believe that I am calling you an anti-Semite? Probably not, you are covering up for the fact that you made an ass of yourself by harshly responding to a member of this forum (despite being a moderator) due to his poor grammar (which could be based on a number of factors).


So this is for you:

Good for you. You must feel really good about yourself, snot-nosed baby.



"Reconsider your position as a mod". Yawn, such a rebel.

''Yawn'', I can never grow tired of the faux-intellectual nonsense you post. ''Yawn''. Indeed.

And yes, you should consider stepping down from your position of moderator on a leftist forum. As a leftist, you should not be harsh and elitist towards others with bad grammar for many, many reasons (not everyone is wealthy enough to get a good education in capitalist countries). A moderator should also be helpful and polite to members that have not actually offended them. Dodger posted a message that you couldn't understand, and instead of actually politely asking him what he meant, you acted like a jerk. You've done things like this before, and I said then that you are a poor excuse for a moderator and I am entitled to that opinion.

[El Chuncho]

you're comparing him to hitler. yet he's being immature.

Read my post again. Grammar NAZI and grammar Fuhrer are common idioms addressed to those who act all high and mighty online when it comes to grammatical errors. And anyway, your point fails because I was replying to something which was already immature.


it's not that he speaks in a way that sounds kind of odd to someone used to english, it's that his sentences he's made in this thread don't make sense together or seem relevant....

Then why not politely ask him to rephrase himself rather than acting all smug about it? Sorry, Sam B, a mod, was being needlessly impolite to a member who did insult him or anyway. Grammatical errors aside, Dodger deserves enough respect for people to actually talk politely to him instead of treating him as mentally retarded, when he quite clearly is not - and he has made a lot of good posts on this forums. Also, I have rarely, if ever, seen him being specifically impolite or hostile to other members of this forum.

[Jimmy Haddow (SPS)]

Question I would like to ask: is a Forum Moderator a website editor? I apologise for my ignorance but on these issues I am such a dinasour, :)

[Sam_b]

Except nobody has said anything about mental capacity except for yourself.

You also cannot even spell my username correctly. You should probably just stop posting in this thread as you're embarrassing yourself now.

I should also point out that flaming is against the rules of this forum.

[GallowsBird]

I should also point out that flaming is against the rules of this forum.

No offence, but aren't you flaming as well? :confused:

[Jimmy Haddow (SPS)]

Sorry but what the hell is 'flaming'

[El Chuncho]

You also cannot even spell my username correctly.

I cannot help it if you were unable to capitalize ''B'', can I? Pretty Ironic too. I take it you are meant to be Sam B. As in Sam with a surname starting with the letter ''B''. Anyway, that is neither here nor there. I do not criticize other people for their grammar, unlike you. So you criticizing mine just proves my point. But keep being immature and elitist, if you like.


You should probably just stop posting in this thread as you're embarrassing yourself now.

No, I can post where I damn well like. And the only embarrassment here is you, child.


I should also point out that flaming is against the rules of this forum.

Then why are you flaming, then? Oh, yeah, I forgot for a moment that you are a ''tough-nut'' moderator, Sam. My apologies.

Also, you criticizing others for flaming - despite flaming people quite regularly - is so hilariously ironic that I had to make a signature in your honour. I'll only have it for a day or two, but it is hilarious, man! I wish you knew how pathetic and humorous you look, I wish I could hold a mirror up for you or something.

[El Chuncho]

Sorry but what the hell is 'flaming'

''Flaming, also known as bashing, is hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users.'' - from wikipedia.

So, yeah, half of Sam's posts contain ''flames'', then. :laugh:

I also laughed when I saw this in the same article:

''Incorrect spelling and grammatical mistakes are also very frequently the subject of flames, particularly if a flame war has already started. In such a situation, the flamers may try to impugn their opponents' intelligence by highlighting any errors in their adversaries' grammar or spelling. This has given rise to the term spelling flame[17] for a flame that excoriates an earlier poster over their spelling errors. Posters who censure the grammar of others are often called Grammar Nazis -- this may cause great offence due to the association with Nazism, but this label is also used ironically and is occasionally proudly self-applied.'' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)#Orthography_and_grammar

[Sam_b]

I cannot help it if you were unable to capitalize ''B'', can I? Pretty Ironic too. I take it you are meant to be Sam B. As in Sam with a surname starting with the letter ''B'

No, try harder next time.


I do not criticize other people for their grammar, unlike youExcept you did, and quantified it with a 'but' clause.


But keep being immature and elitist, if you like.
OK boss.


No, I can post where I damn well like. And the only embarrassment here is you, child.
You shouldn't start a sentence with 'and', son.


Oh, yeah, I forgot for a moment that you are a ''tough-nut'' moderator, Sam. My apologies.Not particularly. I'd quite like to hear what moderator actions I have done to warrant being a 'tough nut'.



Also, you criticizing others for flaming - despite flaming people quite regularly - is so hilariously ironic that I had to make a signature in your honour. I'm touched. Is my supposed 'flaming' as bad as labelling members of this forum as Nazis?


Probably worth locking up this thread if users aren't going to say anything about Tommy Sheridan and wish to perpetuate the degeneration of this thread further. It's disappointing that certain people have come in here only looking to troll.

[El Chuncho]

You shouldn't start a sentence with 'and', son.

No, child, I can. Forget what you hear from the elitist school that you are probably still a student in, you can, though it is somewhat contentious, start a sentence with ''and''.

''That it is a solecism to begin a sentence with and is a faintly lingering superstition. The OED gives examples ranging from the 10th to the 19th c.; the Bible is full of them.'' - Ernest Gowers, author of style guides for the English language.

And thank you for proving my earlier point about you and grammar. You are just making yourself look more pathetic and laughable, Sam.


Not particularly. I'd quite like to hear what moderator actions I have done to warrant being a 'tough nut'.

You think you can get away with trolling other members for a start. Try to keep up, Sammy. :rolleyes:


I'm touched. Is my supposed 'flaming' as bad as labelling members of this forum as Nazis?

''Someone who believes it's their duty to attempt to correct any grammar and/or spelling mistakes they observe.'' - Urban Dictionary.

And I am not a mod, you are. You should be held at a higher standard to that of the common membership, as you are meant to enforce board rules and act as a role model for fellow members. You don't because you are a poor excuse for a moderator, in my honest opinion. It is all well and good you telling us that flaming is against the rules, but your point really looses steam due to the fact that you seem to flame others in almost every thread you post on.

You have a huge attitude problem which I suggest you sort out. And you should probably grow a thicker skin if you feel that the common colloquial ''grammar nazi'' is a major insult.






Probably worth locking up this thread if users aren't going to say anything about Tommy Sheridan and wish to perpetuate the degeneration of this thread further. It's disappointing that certain people have come in here only looking to troll.

Or maybe you should not have posted your (hilarious) ''rebuttal'' and just let people continue with their discussion of Thomas Sheridan, rather than just trying to have the last word before having the thread closed. OK? Lets continue with Sheridan shall we? :thumbup1:

[Rooster]

Dodger's post indeed made no sense and El Chuncho's posts are just flaming.


Funny that I could understand him, isn't it?

Not really. There's a difference between having poor grammar (like you) and writing incoherent tosh.


Maybe you shouldn't have been a grammar nazi then? :cool:

You really shouldn't mix tenses, you know. Also, if Sam had just tried to have been a grammar nazi, then there wouldn't have been any fuss in the first place. Incidentally, he wasn't being a grammar nazi. I could go through all of your posts and point out your mistakes. That is being a grammar nazi. Now, could someone explain what Sheridan has to do with Stalin?

[El Chuncho]

It wqs a very simple affair. The leaders of the old Scottish Socialist Party decided to get rid of Sheridan, so they decided to help Murdoch and the british ruling class throw him in jail for personal matters that are nobody's business except his own.

Fake leftists in the UK do this all the time. I mean, just look at George Orwell shopping all his ''comrades'' for unpatriotic behaviour.

Sheridan was a fake leftist too, and I am not actually against his conviction for perjury (as I have qualifications in UK law myself and still respect the legal system, though I think it should be changed and improved) and find it sad that Sheridan has had it very easy due to his pseudo-celebrity status, whereas working men convicted of perjury can get years in jail. I do detest the News of The Worlds involvement in the case, though.

The most interesting news related to Sheridan is this:


PLANS to bring disgraced Tommy Sheridan's story to the screen have been scrapped, it was revealed last night.
Kirsty Wark is among the TV and film producers who have ditched ideas for a drama about his battle with the News of the World.
That's sure to disappoint the shamed ex-MSP, who'd already picked out Catherine Zeta Jones as his dream actress to play wife Gail.
Channel 4 bosses had also received several scripts for a screen adaptation of Sheridan's 2006 fight with the newspaper, before he was caged for perjury.
But last night Wark's company IWC revealed they'd axed plans for a drama-documentary about the former Scottish Socialist leader, 47, who was freed last week after serving a third of his three-year sentence.

Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4110623/Tommy-Sheridan-news-screen-bid-scrapped.html#ixzz1le2hSK2C

I for one find it a shame that 'Tommy Sheridan: The Motion Picture' has been cancelled. His epic battle with 'The News of The World' is a story that should be immortalized for future generations.

[GallowsBird]

Dodger's post indeed made no sense and El Chuncho's posts are just flaming.

And you are trying to escalate a fight between Sam_b and El Chuncho. Thus this post is just "flaming".


and find it sad that Sheridan has had it very easy due to his pseudo-celebrity status, whereas working men convicted of perjury can get years in jail. I do detest the News of The Worlds involvement in the case, though.

I also think Sheridan is the usual "celeb-leftist", however, I am not sure I personally agree with him being sent to gaol for perjury; mostly because I find such laws hypocritical (it is apparently alright to lie in parliament but not in court); secondly, I favour even Sheridan over The News of The World (and I'm glad it has gone down the plug-hole).

That said, I am not going to lose sleep over Sheridan's imprisonment (especially since he has now been freed) as there are far, far worse things going on in the world.

[El Chuncho]

Dodger's post indeed made no sense and El Chuncho's posts are just flaming.

No, they aren't. Calling out a mod for being quite harsh to a member is not at all flaming.:rolleyes:



Not really.

Yes, really.


There's a difference between having poor grammar (like you) and writing incoherent tosh.

I am lazy with my grammar on here, but it is not really poor. But hey, I do not really care if you think it is. ''Stick and stones''. At least I am not a grammar nazi who cannot really present a good enough argument without criticizing the writings of others.


You really shouldn't mix tenses, you know.

Indeed, a college education did teach me that. However, this is only a message board and thus grammatical errors and mistakes are both inevitable and acceptable. Try not to be so hung up on typing errors and live would be much easier for you, especially if you do not want people to then start pointing out all your errors too.


Incidentally, he wasn't being a grammar nazi. I could go through all of your posts and point out your mistakes.

Which Sam_b actually did later on in our chat. Still, I did view his comments about grammar were pretty ''grammar nazi-esque'', but we'll have to agree to disagree won't we?


Now, could someone explain what Sheridan has to do with Stalin?

Why do you not ask Dodger politely? Which is what Sam_b shouldn't have done before becoming anti-social?

Oh well, I'll explain so we can hopefully move on. Dodger was clearly comparing things to the major leftist feuds during the Stalin era (Stalinists vs Trotskyists). It was a joke because Sheridan is a Trotskyist.

No, I have said all I wanted to say to Sam_b. I'll not respond to any more of you, Sam or Zeekloids ''arguments'' because I find them to be a bit pathetic (for numerous reasons) and tiresome. I merely criticized a moderator for being rude to another member (thus not setting a good example to the rest of the membership). Now, Sam_b has flamed people before and I have also criticized him then. I do hope that he'll decide to be less anti-social to members in future. But hey, it is his choice.

[dodger]

I already sense a book, maybe a movie certainly a 2min media frenzy.

My word Catherine Zeta-Jones playing a media savvy grotesque,on the make. That would stretch her acting talents to the limit. Central casting have plenty to choose from. Talented actresses I mean.(clarification). Gratifying to see my 'sense' about a movie, proved not to be nonsense, even though it was absolutely nonsensical. Well it's clever man that can make sense out of nonsense. Thank you el Muncho(there must be others)



Can't do the time, don't do the crime!

Useful advice at any time. Especially when filling in overtime dockets. Putting oneself in the spotlight, taking on Murdoch, midst a power struggle, especially.Good postie note to oneself. Hence his former comrades 'ratting', not a place I would relish. On balance, they did not wish to compromise themselves, to save Tommy. Who had been very, very, very silly.

Making sense out of all this nonsense is not going to give me a headache. My abject apologies to Rafiq for his. On that post or indeed any other that caused affliction. Just realized I made no reference to sun-beds. Well this is a serious subject I'll leave that to all te Scots bloggers, who seem bordering on malevolent. Almost as if they take delight in M,P.'s being brought down to earth. Archer/Sheridan two cheeks of the same bumhole. Repulsed? Not any more that lasted 10secs. I am resolved, never to vote for any of them, ever again. At last sense out of nonsense.

[El Chuncho]

My word Catherine Zeta-Jones playing a media savvy grotesque,on the make. That would stretch her acting talents to the limit. Central casting have plenty to choose from. Talented actresses I mean.(clarification). Gratifying to see my 'sense' about a movie, proved not to be nonsense, even though it was absolutely nonsensical. Well it's clever man that can make sense out of nonsense.

It is indeed nonsense. Unimportant nonsense at that. People cannot really argue that Sheridan has added anything of value to the revolutionary struggle. He is really just a liberal, although so Trptskyists might disagree (though, I doubt it).

He had his minute of fame against the dreaded NoTW. The fact that they were going to make a film of his story is quite amusing and does show that he is not a true leftists as he got such positive mainstream media attention. In many ways it is a shame that the film has probably been cancelled because I for one would find it hilarious.



Useful advice at any time. Especially when filling in overtime dockets. Putting oneself in the spotlight, taking on Murdoch, midst a power struggle, especially.Good postie note to oneself. Hence his former comrades 'ratting', not a place I would relish. On balance, they did not wish to compromise themselves, to save Tommy. Who had been very, very, very silly.

Indeed. I mean, I am against that ass Murdoch and the law (not legal systems, I am not an anarchist) but it'll be amusing to see people hailing Sheridan as a champion of the revolution when he didn't really get convicted of anything specifically revolutionary.

Murdoch himself should also face conviction but he is pretty much untouchable as he owns most of Scotland, Australian and large parts of England and American. He closed NoTW because he owns countless other newspapers anyway; and will probably put out a replacement soon.

[El Chuncho]

I also think Sheridan is the usual "celeb-leftist", however, I am not sure I personally agree with him being sent to gaol for perjury; mostly because I find such laws hypocritical (it is apparently alright to lie in parliament but not in court); secondly, I favour even Sheridan over The News of The World (and I'm glad it has gone down the plug-hole).

That said, I am not going to lose sleep over Sheridan's imprisonment (especially since he has now been freed) as there are far, far worse things going on in the world.


Yeah, I am actually indifferent to his ''plight''. Perjury laws are OK if they were not abused. Everyone should be held up to the same standard, including politicians, lawyers and judges themselves. It really pisses me off that Sheridan can use a ''get out of jail early card'' just due to his celeb status, though, whereas the poor can't.

I'd take Sheridan over NoTW, but I like neither. One is a bastion of rightist bullshit, the other is a fake leftist.

[A Marxist Historian]

Fake leftists in the UK do this all the time. I mean, just look at George Orwell shopping all his ''comrades'' for unpatriotic behaviour.

Sheridan was a fake leftist too, and I am not actually against his conviction for perjury (as I have qualifications in UK law myself and still respect the legal system, though I think it should be changed and improved) and find it sad that Sheridan has had it very easy due to his pseudo-celebrity status, whereas working men convicted of perjury can get years in jail. I do detest the News of The Worlds involvement in the case, though.

The most interesting news related to Sheridan is this:



Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4110623/Tommy-Sheridan-news-screen-bid-scrapped.html#ixzz1le2hSK2C

I for one find it a shame that 'Tommy Sheridan: The Motion Picture' has been cancelled. His epic battle with 'The News of The World' is a story that should be immortalized for future generations.

The British perjury laws are notoriously awful. The USA has much better ones, as we had a revolution against the monarchy, and got rid of an established church, titled nobility, monarchs, and the insane dictatorial Brit perjury laws.

But just because workers get treated even worse doesn't mean Sheridan should go to jail. That's like saying Captain Dreyfus deserved the treatment he got from French anti-Semites 'cuz ordinary Jews who weren't conservative patriotic captains in the French Army got murdered in the Holocaust.

An injury to one is an injury to all. End of story.

-M.H.-

[blake 3:17]

Sheridan was a fake leftist too,

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