For a Socialist Revolution of Serbs!

[soviechetnik]

Serbia is a proud country.We stood against NATO-fascist aggressors but eventually,the West took over in 2000.
I am writing this in order to familiarize people with the situation.
Serbia needs to overthrow the Western-puppets and reunite Serbian lands in the Balkans.Fascist-genocidal Croatia and the absurd "state" of Bosnia should be confronted in what may even be a new armed conflict.
A firm Serbian state in the Balkan,with support of brotherly Russia,will be able to protect the fellow Orthodox Greek Revolution,thus creating a powerful block against Washington-Vatican-Berlin Axis of evil in Europe.

That is why communists should support Serbia in its quest to reunite its people and oppose the West.
I am saddened with how many anti-Serbian leftists are there.
Why is this?

[ВАЛТЕР]

LMAO :laugh:

[The Douche]

Well, I think I did well by restricting this user...

[soviechetnik]

Am I saying something wrong?
What's going on? :confused:

[ComradeGrant]

Nationalism bro, that's what's wrong. Your post was nothing but Serbian Nationalism.

[soviechetnik]

What's wrong with left-wing nationalism?
Do you not support Ho Chi Min and the stuggle for unification of Vietnam against the American invaders?:confused:

[ijrjrnz]

Serbian Chetniks actually collaborated with the occupying Axis powers and the fascist Croatian Ustaše forces during the Axis occupation of Yugoslavia. This goes to suggest all nationalist forces work towards the interest of capitalists. Why would any worker want to support any one of these competing nationalist forces?

[Sasha]

While with some arguments national-liberation sometimes could be considerd leftist national-aggression could not, your ethnic-supremacy overtones could even be consideration for a ban...

[The Douche]

What's wrong with left-wing nationalism?
Do you not support Ho Chi Min and the stuggle for unification of Vietnam against the American invaders?:confused:

1) Nah, I don't support Ho Chi Minh

2) What nations did he want to invade and bring under his influence?

[Yugo45]

I hope you realise that you're on a totally wrong forum by now.

What exactly are "Serbian lands"? And what kind of benefit would the people (workers especially, remember, SOCIALISM) of these so called "Serbian lands" have if they united in a "firm Serbian state" populted only by Serbs?


A firm Serbian state in the Balkan,with support of brotherly Russia,will be able to protect the fellow Orthodox Greek Revolution,thus creating a powerful block against Washington-Vatican-Berlin Axis of evil in Europe.

That just sounds silly.... Is that what you think socialism is?

[soviechetnik]

While with some arguments national-liberation sometimes could be considerd leftist national-aggression could not
Was the Tet Offensive not an "aggression"? Right-wingers certianly claim so.;)
See the semantics?

As for ethnic supremacy,what are you talking about? I don't believe in racism,"ethnic supremacy" or what ever...

[Comrade Samuel]

It's easy to flip from "I have a healthy level of a nationalism" to "heil hitler" and I don't believe there are any cases where the left supports it.

[soviechetnik]

1) Nah, I don't support Ho Chi Minh
Your problem.But most leftists do.


2) What nations did he want to invade and bring under his influence?
South Vietnam.:)
Same in the case of Korea.


What exactly are "Serbian lands"? And what kind of benefit would the people of these so called "Serbian lands" have if they united in a "firm Serbian state" populted only by Serbs?
Serbian lands:Kosovo,Serbia,RS and RSK (not the whole).
If we're united we could lead a movement for a free Balkan against the West.


That just sounds silly....
Why?

[The Douche]

Was the Tet Offensive not an "aggression"? Right-wingers certianly claim so.;)
See the semantics?

As for ethnic supremacy,what are you talking about? I don't believe in racism,"ethnic supremacy" or what ever...

The tet offensive was a military operation in a war against the United States and the forces of "south vietnam".

Again, what countries did Ho Chi Minh want to invade?

[soviechetnik]

It's easy to flip from "I have a healthy level of a nationalism" to "heil hitler" and I don't believe there are any cases where the left supports it.
What does Hitler and nazism have to do with this?:confused:

[Omsk]

,with support of brotherly Russia,will be able to protect the fellow Orthodox Greek Revolution


Id rather skip "brotherly ultra-nationalist Russia" ,and whats up with the "Ortodox Greek Revolution" ??

Serbia lost its chance in 1948,a revolution in 1948 would have changed the country to its core.

[soviechetnik]

The tet offensive was a military operation in a war against the United States and the forces of "south vietnam".
Certainly.But it was an "aggression" in the strict sense.Of course leftists don't see it as such,but rightists do.



Again, what countries did Ho Chi Minh want to invade?
South Vietnam.

[soviechetnik]

Serbia lost its chance in 1948,a revolution in 1948 would have changed the country to its core.
Even Stalin is better than a crippled Serbia under Tito and Co.;)

[DinodudeEpic]

Well, if you were talking about restoring Yugoslavia, as in a multi-ethnic/multi-national nation that isn't racist, then you probably would end up being called a Titoist.

However, a 'Greater Serbia' is really close to Slobodan's ultranationalism.

[Comrade Samuel]

What does Hitler and nazism have to do with this?:confused:

I'm saying that all too often when we believe that we are "maintaining a healthy level of nationalism" it doesn't take much to become radical from there, Germany was the example just because it's the most commonly known case but it's happened countless times throughout history.

[soviechetnik]

Well, if you were talking about restoring Yugoslavia, as in a multi-ethnic/multi-national nation that isn't racist, then you probably would end up being called a Titoist.
Never again with Croats and Bosniaks/Muslims!!
They chose their own path.Good luck to them.

[Prometeo liberado]

Really? Alright I'll get the ball rolling and so many will come after me and do a more vicious and complete job.
1.Serbia needs to overthrow the Western-puppets and reunite Serbian lands in the Balkans. Can I read into this a "Greater Serbia"? Been down that nationalist "Greater" road before and really don't feel like doin' that again.
2.Fascist-genocidal Croatia and the absurd "state" of Bosnia should be confronted in what may even be a new armed conflict. The only war that matters is class war, armed conflict against the ruling class.
3.A firm Serbian state in the Balkan,with support of brotherly Russia,will be able to protect the fellow Orthodox Greek Revolution,thus creating a powerful block against Washington-Vatican-Berlin Axis of evil in Europe. Invoking old religious sectarian hatreds as a call for communist support is counter to the basic principles of what communism is.
Summation: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I'm pretty sure you let the monster loose with this one. This is not communism, pretty much stinks of fascism in every form.
Wow! In the few minutes it took me to write this y'all went nutshit on it already! Very nice.

[Omsk]

You are probably well read on Dobrica Cosic,no?


This is not communism, pretty much stinks of fascism in every form.

Wrong.Its common nationalism.

[Yugo45]

Serbian lands:Kosovo,Serbia,RS and RSK (not the whole).
If we're united we could lead a movement for a free Balkan against the West

Correct me if I'm wrong (you actually don't have to, because I'm not), but those are "Serbian lands" according to extreme Serbian nationalists. Yet you claim you aren't a chauvinist, but you're just a patriot or whatever nonsense. So answer me question, what qualifies as a Serbian land? And I still don't get why would only Serbs need to unite to "free Balkan against the West". Why not unite the Balkan against the west instead of spouting nationalist theories about Serbian lands.

As far as I'm following you right now, you're basically saying "The hope to free the Balkan is in pure Serbian Orthodox people only"


Never again with Croats and Bosniaks/Muslims!!
They chose their own path.Good luck to them.

Okay...........

[DrStrangelove]

I didn't know Socialist Revolution in Serbia called for forced annexation of former-Yugoslav lands, Great Serb Chauvinism, and this weird Orthodox Christian alliance.

Also, I love how the OP refers to Croatia and Bosnia as "Serb lands"

[The Douche]

Never again with Croats and Bosniaks/Muslims!!
They chose their own path.Good luck to them.

Uh...what?

[Omsk]

Republika Srpska is a territory with a major Serbian population.And thus,can be considered as a Serbian "land".

Its a fact.

[soviechetnik]

Can I read into this a "Greater Serbia"? Been down that nationalist "Greater" road before and really don't feel like doin' that again.
Yes.Down with "greater" Korea,"greater" Vietnam,"greater" Kurdistan etc...:rolleyes:


The only war that matters is class war, armed conflict against the ruling class.
Class is not everything.The working class was ready to do great crimes in the 90s.


You are probably well read on Dobrica Cosic,no?
I read some of his stuff,yes.

[Ocean Seal]

Serbia is a proud country.We stood against NATO-fascist aggressors but eventually,the West took over in 2000.
I am writing this in order to familiarize people with the situation.
Serbia needs to overthrow the Western-puppets and reunite Serbian lands in the Balkans.

So basically we should support Serbian imperialism



Fascist-genocidal Croatia and the absurd "state" of Bosnia should be confronted in what may even be a new armed conflict.


And of course, its because of historical reasons. Why is Bosnia a more absurd state than any other, and is Croatia currently a fascist genocidal state?

Seriously bro, you are as annoying as the Zionists who come onto this board.

Go crawl back to socialist phalanx.



A firm Serbian state in the Balkan,with support of brotherly Russia,will be able to protect the fellow Orthodox Greek Revolution,thus creating a powerful block against Washington-Vatican-Berlin Axis of evil in Europe.

So basically the Pope is bad, but the Patriarch is good?



That is why communists should support Serbia in its quest to reunite its people and oppose the West.

You've got to be kidding me.



I am saddened with how many anti-Serbian leftists are there.
Why is this?
Well I am, for one against all nations.

[Omsk]

I read some of his stuff,yes.
Read it carefully.

You should just stick to: "Daleko je sunce". [although Dobrica is a "Titoist" at heart.]

[soviechetnik]

Why not unite the Balkan against the west instead of spouting nationalist theories about Serbian lands.
Why? Well open your eyes! As i said,these other nations chose their own EU-NATO path.


"The hope to free the Balkan is in pure Serbian Orthodox people only"
No,if Albanians want to join us they're free to do so,but the majority there is very pro-USA/NATO.


Also, I love how the OP refers to Croatia and Bosnia as "Serb lands"
No,i'm only talking about Serb areas in Croatia (very small part today thanks to 1995) and RS in Bosnia.

[The Young Pioneer]

Republika Srpska is a territory with a major Serbian population.And thus,can be considered as a Serbian "land".

Its a fact.


Hey, comrade- Land doesn't belong to anyone, I thought?

[The Douche]

So that we're clear, you want to exclude croats and muslims from your socialist republic?

[soviechetnik]

So that we're clear, you want to exclude croats and muslims from your socialist republic?
NO! No one wants to "exclude" them,it's they who chose their own path!

[Omsk]

Hello oh,ever provoking user.

The Serbs dont "own" the land,but they are in majority there,so,in the 21. century,you should reffer to it as: "Serbian land". Its definitely not Muslim.

[The Douche]

NO! No one wants to "exclude" them,it's they who chose their own path!

But you said:


Never again with Croats and Bosniaks/Muslims!!
They chose their own path.Good luck to them.

So, you refuse to allow them to participate in the construction of socialism in your serbian lands?

[soviechetnik]

Its definitely not Muslim.
Correct.As your own signature says: Elses' land we don't want a single meter,but our land we won't give an inch!

[Crux]

What is the "Orthodox greek revolution"? Are you talking of the rise of the far-right LAOS?

[soviechetnik]

So, you refuse to allow them to participate in the construction of socialism in your serbian lands?
No,I don't "refuse".
They're free to change their ways,but that won't happen.
So,never again with those who are pro-West/NATO.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I say we Serbs go and liberate the moon from US aggression and create a glorious socialistmonarchychetnikpartizanleftwingnationalis t haven for ourselves! All hail mother Russia! Long live Putin! etc. etc.

[soviechetnik]

What is the "Orthodox greek revolution"? Are you talking of the rise of the far-right LAOS? There's a socialist revolution brewing in Greece,and Greeks are a strongly Orthodox people and good friends of Serbia.


I say we Serbs go and liberate the moon from US aggression and create a glorious socialistmonarchychetnikpartizanleftwingnationalis t haven for ourselves! All hail mother Russia! Long live Putin! etc. etc.

What?

[The Douche]

No,I don't "refuse".
They're free to change their ways,but that won't happen.
So,never again with those who are pro-West/NATO.

Change their ways? As in, convert to christianity?

[Ravachol]

Never again with Croats and Bosniaks/Muslims!!
They chose their own path.Good luck to them.

Yes, fuck the working class! It's all about nations, down with the 'croat' working class and the 'bosniak' working class, all hail to the union of serbian bourgeoisie and proletarians. Fuck off you Chetnik moron.
Yes, for those who haven't noticed, Soviechetnik sounds kinda like a Nazbol, at best. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks)



Class is not everything.The working class was ready to do great crimes in the 90s.

Yes, because of the machinations of the national bourgeoisie, mobilising the divided working class for their own interests and rallying them under the banners of Tuđman, Milosevic and Izetbegović and leading them to the slaughter. The proletariat has no nations, communism is the definite anti-thesis of nationalist pipe-dreams.



Hello oh,ever provoking user.

The Serbs dont "own" the land,but they are in majority there,so,in the 21. century,you should reffer to it as: "Serbian land". Its definitely not Muslim.

Whatever happened to that itsy-pitsy little thing called communism, the refounding of the lost community of mankind, the abolition of private property and nation alltogether?

[soviechetnik]

Change their ways? As in, convert to christianity?
No,but say NO to the West,NATO,EU (Turkey etc in Bosniak case) who are currently their biggest "friends"...
FYI Croatia is going to be a EU country next year.

[Omsk]

Whatever happened to that itsy-pitsy little thing called communism, the refounding of the lost community of mankind, the abolition of private property and nation alltogether?

What kind of a poor atempt for an argument is this?

I was trying to answer in his place,that is his nationalist rhetoric.

If you ask me,to hell with all "lands".I lost my "land" looong ago.

[Tim Cornelis]

Successful troll is successful.

[Yugo45]

Correct.As your own signature says: Elses' land we don't want a single meter,but our land we won't give an inch!

That's highly hypocritical of you. Both you and me know that Republika Srpska was made by ethnic cleansing of Bosniaks and Croats.

Where exaclty is socialism in "Unite all Serbian Orthodox people into a Greater Serbia"?

[The Douche]

No,but say NO to the West,NATO,EU (Turkey etc in Bosniak case) who are currently their biggest "friends"...
FYI Croatia is going to be a EU country next year.

Lots of muslims say "no" to the west. The issue is saying no to capitalism, and I don't understand why you think religion or ethnicity have anything to do with one's ability to say "no" to capital.

Why are "serbian lands" a factor in your analysis?

[PhoenixAsh]

A short history lessen here....

The west supported the breakup of the Yugoslavia to lessen pro Russian Serbian influence in the region. Serbia was strongly opposed to NATO influence in the region and opposed economic and strategic expansion of the member countries there and the further expansion of NATO within the former Eastern Bloc.

After the defeat of Serbia and more so after Milosovic was ousted from power...wether you like this fact or not...this expansion was basically unhalted and Serbia and the rest of the region became nothing more than irrelevant puppet states.

Why do you think so many territories in which the majority of the population is ethnically Serbian was "granted" to other nations? To keep the region unbalanced. That is why.

Now...Dindic was a Western puppet. He had Milosovic arrested....couldnt make any of the copious charges brought agaist him stick and extradicted him to the ICTY....where they also couldn't make the charges brought against him stick. Hence the protractioned trail.

The ICTY was victors justice and served as an imperialist show and propaganda case. The prosecution reported directly to the White House/Pentagon eventhough they were prohibited from doing so. Direct misrepresentations of facts, false and incorrect translations (which they excused because they could not find good Serbian Translator....wtf??? And yes...that is in the court documents btw.) and the invention of new rules and procedures all had to guarantee convictions. And even then they could not find enough concrete evidence.

Now...don't get me wrong. I don't agree with or condone Milosovic's politics...but the ICTY and the propaganda around it is sickening.

[Omsk]

...Dindic


Djindjic.

He was a capitalist and had ulterior motives,his "democracy" was a sell-out.

[Prometeo liberado]

Republika Srpska is a territory with a major Serbian population.And thus,can be considered as a Serbian "land".

Its a fact.

Hitler used these same "facts" in reference to the Sudetenland.

[Nox]

socialistmonarchychetnikpartizanleftwingnationalis t

Sounds almost as good as povertycommunismsocialismwelfarehealthcarekarlmarx

[Crux]

There's a socialist revolution brewing in Greece,and Greeks are a strongly Orthodox people and good friends of Serbia
:laugh: So you are a religious nationalist? In what way are you socialist exactly?

[soviechetnik]

That's highly hypocritical of you. Both you and me know that Republika Srpska was made by ethnic cleansing of Bosniaks and Croats.
No.It was made by the decision of the majority.Of course that horrible crimes happened,i'm not denying this.But the Serbian people there had the right to self-determination.



Where exaclty is socialism in "Unite all Serbian Orthodox people into a Greater Serbia"?
It's the first step.


Lots of muslims say "no" to the west. The issue is saying no to capitalism, and I don't understand why you think religion or ethnicity have anything to do with one's ability to say "no" to capital.
Serbs are the only ex-YU people who are still in majority against the West,NATO,EU etc...


Why are "serbian lands" a factor in your analysis?
Because of independence,self-determination,freedom.Why should Serbs in Bosnia be governed by some EU-appointed buerocrat in Sarajevo?

Also,"hindsight" speaks the truth.:thumbup1:

[Omsk]

Hitler used these same "facts" in reference to the Sudetenland.


And now you compare me to Hitler?

Let me repeat: i answered to a user through the viewpoint of probably,60% of the Serbian people.Most regard RS as a Serbian "land".

[PhoenixAsh]

Djindjic.

He was a capitalist and had ulterior motives,his "democracy" was a sell-out.

Technically it is Đinđić but I didn't feel like typing that ;)

And yes..he was a fucking puppet. The guy was elevated by western leaders and multinationals above Koštunica...not entirely unwarranted from their point of view seeing as Koštunica was really not that much of a friendly to the west.

[soviechetnik]

Most regard RS as a Serbian "land".
That's because it is.:)
I'm not voicing for aggression over,i don't know,Muslim or Croat lands,i'm only concerned about Serbian land.

[Omsk]

Đinđić


Sorry,i dont have a good keyboard.



...not entirely unwarranted seeing as Koštunica was really not that much of a friendly to the west.



Kostunica was a nationalist,and is still an nationalist.

To hell with him.

[PhoenixAsh]

Hitler used these same "facts" in reference to the Sudetenland.

And you would think that the West would have learned something from the peace agreement of Saint Germain and the resulting consequences.

But they chose to push for boundraries which were overflowing with such constuctions in former Yugoslavia. The Sudeten Deutschen always wanted to be part of Germany or Austria btw...made up more than 90% of the population and were heavilly discriminated against.

[PhoenixAsh]

Sorry,i dont have a good keyboard.




Kostunica was a nationalist,and is still an nationalist.

To hell with him.

Yeah I know....but it is the reason why the West liked Dindic over him. He was not a puppet. Could never be a puppet. So they had to go one step lower....found Dindic a very willing collaborator.

[The Douche]

User was banned. I'm calling this third-positionism. If I am wrong, somebody feel free to correct me.

[GallowsBird]

Technically it is Đinđić but I didn't feel like typing that ;)

Technically it is Ђинђић. :p

[PhoenixAsh]

Technically it is Ђинђић. :p

hehehe :P :P lol :thumbup:

True...but my keyboard doesn't allow me to make these symbols/letters....squigly lines ;) :P

[Prometeo liberado]

And now you compare me to Hitler?

Let me repeat: i answered to a user through the viewpoint of probably,60% of the Serbian people.Most regard RS as a Serbian "land".

No, I am comparing your thought process to that of fascism.

[Prometeo liberado]

User was banned. I'm calling this third-positionism. If I am wrong, somebody feel free to correct me.

Where do I go to nominate said user for some sort of "restricted to banned" quickness hall of fame?

[Omsk]

Death to all who oppose AZBUKA!!!


@cmoney:He would have been banned,sooner or later,but i think the point of this is confusion.

His posts are a proof of that.He mixed so many ideas and principles.If he stayed,he would have probably changed his ideas..In his,30 or so posts,i noticed at least 3-5 famous nationalist ideas he probably got from various books or magazines i recognise.




No, I am comparing your thought process to that of fascism.


That is insulting.

You are really mistaken,and you didnt understand my post.

[GallowsBird]

hehehe :P :P lol :thumbup:

True...but my keyboard doesn't allow me to make these symbols/letters....squigly lines ;) :P


I remember when I tried to learn Russian* (mostly failed but I can say some sentences and understand a little) and I had to learn a whole new alphabet. I personally like Cyrillic alphabets (I can read most Cyrillic scripts still.. though mostly the Russian one) however I remember most of the class when confronted with them saying things like "is that not a scribble" (not my opinion of course)... indeed.







* And no it wasn't because I was a Tankie or Slavophile... that came later! :p:lol:

[Sasha]

User was banned. I'm calling this third-positionism. If I am wrong, somebody feel free to correct me.

It's not 3th positionism but ethnic supremacy. But Yeah, we entertained that dolt way to long..

[Ravachol]

What kind of a poor atempt for an argument is this?

I was trying to answer in his place,that is his nationalist rhetoric.

If you ask me,to hell with all "lands".I lost my "land" looong ago.

Misread you then, sorry about that. I thought you supported his position.

[Omsk]

Misread you then, sorry about that. I thought you supported his position.

No problem comrade.

Of course i am not supporting his position,its pure nationalism.

But what does make me concerned is that i recognised a lot of nationalist ideas that came from certain people here [country] that obviously influenced him.

Damn it,nationalism spreads among the youth like a poison.

[Prometeo liberado]

Death to all who oppose AZBUKA!!!


@cmoney:He would have been banned,sooner or later,but i think the point of this is confusion.

His posts are a proof of that.He mixed so many ideas and principles.If he stayed,he would have probably changed his ideas..In his,30 or so posts,i noticed at least 3-5 famous nationalist ideas he probably got from various books or magazines i recognise.



That is insulting.

You are really mistaken,and you didnt understand my post.
Apologies. Wasn't my intention.

[Omsk]

Republika Srpska is a territory with a major Serbian population.And thus,can be considered as a Serbian "land".

Its a fact.


I think i need to point this out,and make it clear,:

Im sorry for the confusion,i thought the "Its a fact" part of my post above would give a sign that i am joking,mimicking nationalist behaviour.

[RevSpetsnaz]

The fact alone that hes calling for all Serbians to unite under a greater Serbia immediately writes him off as a nationalist, that rhetoric is textbook nationalist.

[Искра]

He has been throwed to lions. Who cares anymore about him. Let's listen to some rock'n'roll.