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krazny
29th January 2012, 20:03
I'm thinking out loud as much as I'm looking for feedback, so bear with me if you would...

One of the major roadblocks I've found in thinking about how we will transition to socialism in some form is our failed educational system. It's quite clear to me that it needs to be burned to the ground, at least through the secondary level, and rebuilt on the ashes. The question is how.

One of the problems we as socialists face is that we seem to have a predisposition to think in terms of equality for the least of us, and in an educational setting this holds back the most qualified. Bear in mind, of course, I'm not suggesting that we stop providing special education services and such. There is a frightening number of students who don't pass because they just don't bother, not because they need "special education," etc. Instead of going over the same material seventy times, and losing the interest of the top half of the class, it makes far more sense in my mind to move at a reasonable pace - say, a pace appropriate for the 70th percentile - and expect the rest of the class to keep up. Those who choose to do so will come out better educated. Those who choose not to will become a lost generation, admittedly, but their offspring will see the importance of working at an appropriate level in order to have more opportunities.

Anyone who finishes high school is guaranteed a job at a reasonable level. Anyone who doesn't finish high school or doesn't graduate is welcome to go back, prove they have the requisite knowledge, and get what we'd think of as a GED today. I don't see a way to do this without losing part of a generation - I'm open to ideas on that.

Those who don't want to put in the work more than likely will find themselves in gangs and the like. That said, gangs are not per se a bad thing. Putting aside the large criminal enterprises - which would be stamped out anyway as capitalist monstrosities - smaller gangs could actually be good for society. Rather than giving the police a monopoly on enforcement and concerns for the neighborhood, leverage the leaders of "gangs" to bring the dropouts and such into productive work bettering the neighborhood and enforcing minor violations as a citizen watch group. Yes, that's a bit idealistic, but prevents entirely losing part of a generation.

This theory isn't perfect, but so few are. I'm interested in discussing and building this concept, and in picking it apart to make it more reasonable to implement and doing away with the holes in it...

krazny
29th January 2012, 21:07
As an extension of that, it just occurred to me that para-educators (teachers' assistants) generally need to have an associates degree. That requires 20 classes of 3 credits, or 45 hours. In approximately twenty weeks of full-time (compensated) work, we could train the million or more teachers' assistants we need in the schools and create an amazing number of jobs. Yes, it would have to be funded at the Federal level, since the schools are broke, but that's something we can do TODAY to work towards full employment and revolution. I haven't done the math altogether, but community colleges could provide the programs under Federal block grants, we could pay the students ~2k/month while in the program and waiting for certification, and then within six months be paying them for productive work and reduce the student:educator ration in EVERY public school in America from 30:1 down to 10:1 or maybe even better. Total cost unknown, but is the total cost really important for such a short term investment with such long term dividends?

Die Neue Zeit
30th January 2012, 01:54
Anyone who finishes high school is guaranteed a job at a reasonable level. Anyone who doesn't finish high school or doesn't graduate is welcome to go back, prove they have the requisite knowledge, and get what we'd think of as a GED today. I don't see a way to do this without losing part of a generation - I'm open to ideas on that.

Educational Training Income Beyond Zero Tuitions (http://www.revleft.com/vb/educational-training-income-t139568/index.html)

Revolution starts with U
30th January 2012, 03:41
I have two suggestions (the second of which turned into a huge debate in my campus' newspaper lol);

1) Why do we not have logic and critical thinking classes before college?

2) Why are teacher's main degrees in education? Shouldn't education be a minor degree, and science teachers learn science, history teachers learn history, etc?

RevSpetsnaz
30th January 2012, 03:56
I have two suggestions (the second of which turned into a huge debate in my campus' newspaper lol);

1) Why do we not have logic and critical thinking classes before college?

2) Why are teacher's main degrees in education? Shouldn't education be a minor degree, and science teachers learn science, history teachers learn history, etc?

Thats what ive always thought never made sense. Youre not supposed to be specialized in teaching, youre supposed to be specialized in a certain subject.

krazny
30th January 2012, 04:23
Logic and critical thinking should be taught in HS. Without that, how can one be expected to protect onesself while working?

That said, I also concur that the subject in question should be the focus, not education. As an historian of the amateur variety, I could teach history easily without having any of the pedagogy. There are those more qualified, but if they don't want volunteer I'd be glad to pick up the slack. A PHd I am not, but I have something to offer those with no background in history. Surely there is one of us who has a degree in history and is more qualified and could - with a stipend - properly teach because /that's the right thing to do$/

Revolution starts with U
30th January 2012, 13:59
Thats what ive always thought never made sense. Youre not supposed to be specialized in teaching, youre supposed to be specialized in a certain subject.

It should be taught in Kindergarten. Knowledge is practically worthless (at least form the perspective of someone who actually cares about crushing the philophies of ruling classes) if the person learning it doesn't know how to use it logically and think critically.