The Neanderthal Theory of Autism

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

I have less than 100 posts, so you'll need to edit the link:

www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm)

What's interesting about this to me, is that I had never heard of this from someone else. I just Googled for it myself, because I have always felt a link between them, as I am an autistic myself.

To me, the most interesting part is:

www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#Other (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#Other)

[Agent Ducky]

http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm

http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#Other

Links that american communist posted in convenient clickable form! You're welcome :D

[RobertDole]

Autism: The Eusocial Hominid Hypothesis

Abstract:

ASDs (autism spectrum disorders) are hypothesized as one of many adaptive human cognitive variations that have been maintained in modern populations via multiple genetic and epigenetic mechanisms. Introgression from "archaic" hominids (adapted for less demanding social environments) is conjectured as the source of initial intraspecific heterogeneity because strict inclusive fitness does not adequately model the evolution of distinct, copy-number sensitive phenotypes within a freely reproducing population.

Evidence is given of divergent encephalization and brain organization in the Neanderthal (including a ~1520 cc cranial capacity, larger than that of modern humans) to explain the origin of the autism subgroup characterized by abnormal brain growth.

Autism and immune dysfunction are frequently comorbid. This supports an admixture model in light of the recent discovery that MHC alleles (genes linked to immune function, mate selection, neuronal "pruning," etc.) found in most modern human populations come from "archaic" hominids.

Mitochondrial dysfunction, differential fetal androgen exposure, lung abnormalities, and hypomethylation/CNV due to hybridization are also presented as evidence.

scribd.com/doc/74944514/

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

To me, the most interesting part is:

www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#Other (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#Other)

Is that because you think it means you have a huge brain and is super-smart?

Frankly this article is rubbish and has those strange formulations that make me think the author is racist.

[Roach]

Frankly this article is rubbish and has those strange formulations that make me think the author is racist.

This. I have little knowledge on the subject, but blaming genetic origins for things such as autism does ring a bell.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Is that because you think it means you have a huge brain and is super-smart?

No, it's because I find what the author says to be true about me (in terms of being face blind, and the similar)

Also, I think you mean "and are super-smart?":D



Frankly this article is rubbish and has those strange formulations that make me think the author is racist.What makes you think the author is racist? Maybe he is (which if that is true, it will completely change my mind about the article), but I would like to know what you read. To be honest with you, that article is too long for me to read the entire thing, so I might have missed something.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

What makes you think the author is racist? Maybe he is (which if that is true, it will completely change my mind about the article), but I would like to know what you read. To be honest with you, that article is too long for me to read the entire thing, so I might have missed something.

He is obsessed, it appears, with trying to prove that there is a Caucasian type which traces its line directly to the neanderthals and is uniquely related thereto unlike what he calls "knuckle-draging african apes", and goes on to spout absurd features which he attributes to these in the manner of a race biologist.

To illustrate:


Oreopithecus was bipedal, just like humans, unlike the knuckle-walking African apes we supposedly are related to.

Now, imagine that said by some shaved-head cromagnon with Confederate flag on his baseball cap - so to say - and you get the picture. This of course is on its own not necessarily an indication of racism, but does suggest that something such might hide in the mind of the author.


Credits Elizabeth Morgan
Helped me with background material about various diseases like hemochromatosis, Factor V Leiden, cystic fibrosis, SLE, other autoimmune diseases, and found various links to supportative evidence
Various autistic and ADHD individuals on discussion forums
Helped me with ideas about behavior and provided comments about the theory


Must be serious matter then, he more or less admits that he is speculating widely to confirm his own pet-theory of how the superior Asperger Race Evolved from the Mighty Neanderthals. Rubbish. Discussion forums! Impressive!


But then you have this...


In Africa, music and dancing is mostly tied to rites, that are performed in certain social contexts, and they are exclusively aimed at social activities. 29 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#29) This is also evident in black music in America, where social relations are the main theme, while complex music and instruments are typical of non-African music. In Africa, the main instruments are drums and the human voice, while outside of Africa, there is a variety of complex instruments, dances and music, that are more aimed at entertainment, creativity and perfection. 90,000 - 100,000 years ago Neanderthals had phalange whistles. 41 of them have been found in Prolom II in the Crimea. 70,000 - 80,000 years ago there is a flute in Haua Fteah, Libya, which has been found together with Neanderthal mandibles. Finally, 40,000 years ago there is another flute in Divje Babe 30 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#30) Neanderthals are also believed to have sang. 31 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#31) Interestingly, both the phalange whistles and flutes seems to have been evolving gradually up until recent times. This seems to indicate they originated in Neanderthals, and where taken over by AMH or hybrids. It's probable that Neanderthals primary use of musical instruments wasn't for entertainment or music, rather as a way to herd animals. This tradition is still seen in today's herding societies.

If this isn't racist, I don't know what is...

Then the author goes on to postulate that supposedly people with autism has some sort of connection to dogs because of cohabitation with wolves. I don't wish to dwell too much on the specific genetics because frankly human evolution is of no interest to me, but the absurd conjectures made on the most flimsy of basis are anything other than scientific or proper. To me, it appears to have the credibility of Erik von Däniken. He supposes that because "some people with autism claim to have a connection with animals", this somehow tells of an evolutionary past.


It's quite interesting that dogs are sensitive to human cues, and that some humans (probably autistic mainly) are sensitive to dog's cues.

Personally, I always loathed dogs and found them extremely unpleasant to be around.

Further on, the author has done a few imbecillic quizzes on the Internet and extrapolate the results in incoherent ramblings. We then come to an even more offensive section involving "differences" between people with Asperger's and "neurotypicals". One of the questions is--


Are you sensitive to electromagnetic fields?

Which appears to refer to a certain paranoid delusion of people attributing normal sensations to electromagnetic fields, which is as much a load of rubbish as electricity allergy or "Morgellons".

But the really pathetic way is the manner in which the author then proceeds to consider certain behaviours attributed as typical of people with Asperger's with imbecilic conjecture about an evolutionary origin which is unsubstantiated and shaky at best. And some of these lists are just silly;


Aspie abilities


Do you have unconventional, often unique ways of solving problems?
Do you focus on one interest at a time and become an expert on that subject?
Is you imagination unusual, with unique ideas that others don't have?
Do you have one special talent which you have emphasised and worked on?
Do you take an interest in, and remember, details that others do not seem to notice?
Are you very gifted in one or more areas?



At times it starts to read like a self-help book.


Social behaviors of neurotypicals


Is a large social network important for you?
Is creating a social identity important for you?
Do you appreciate to be in charge of other people?
Do you have an interest for fashions?
Do you enjoy gossip?
Do you find it natural that males take initiatives to start a romantic relationship?
Is your style and image very important to you?
Is other people's image of you important to you?
Do you find it natural to keep track of whom owes whom favours?
Do you enjoy wearing jewelry?
Do you enjoy make-up?



That's goes quite a way down the road of making generic assumptions without basis, which manifests both the so called "neurotypicals" and people with Asperger's as some homogenous mass of evident division (which seems to be his point).


t's common with more body-hair in Europeans, and especially in people with autism. [/URL]Peeling skin flakes from self or others is also common in autistics. This seems to be a grooming behavior commonly seen in other primates which indicates an evolutionary past with a fur-coat.


Under harsh conditions it's advantageous to mature and grow slower. This means individuals can survive on fewer resources. A consequence of slower maturing is longer life. Jack Cuozzo shows that Neanderthals matured slower than us, and probably got older. Autistic children often develop according to another slower scheme than other children, and may continue to develop into their 30s. (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#197)It is also believed that a key factor in ADHD might be slower mental maturation. Similar findings exists for schizophrenia.

From my personal experience there is very little or no delay of maturation in people with Asperger's in most cases.


Eating disorders are common in the western society. Unusual eating-patterns are common in autism. 213 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#209) Eating disorders have a logical explanation. Seasonal populations depending on a high-meat diet have a more uneven access to food than tropical hunter-gatherers. The ability to eat food fast is important, just as the ability to be without food for a period of time. Is seems like seasonal affective disorder is related to bulimia. 214 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#214) Overweight is a new problem, whose cause is that we don't have to starve through the winter. For Neanderthals, it was essential to be able to increase weight in summer, and loose it during winter. This is probably why they had a broader pelvis. 215 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#215) David Comings has associated ADHD and Tourette with weight problems

This nonsense is just going to go on and on, isn't it? Of course any problems with eating too much doesn't have to do with something along the lines of being unalert to signs of being filled, it's NEANDERTHALS, MAN!


A population living near glacial ice might be expected to evolve instincts for detecting extreme floods from glacials. These events would be fatal but yet possibly partly predictable. Autistics have a fascination for slowly flowing water, 222 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#222) but are afraid of floods and fast running streams

Just when you thought this nonsense couldn't get more ridiculous! Afraid of floods and fast running streams? Why, I never noticed any of this! In fact I find fast running streams and floods just as interesting as the churning of a tranquil stream, for to me it is the force of the water and the way the water consists of so many small parts flowing forth in unision that is the charming thing... glacial streams... bah! Utter smeg!


Most of the finds of Neanderthals are from caves. It's possible that Neanderthals spent a lot of time in caves, or maybe they hibernated there during winter. Autistics have a fascination for caves. 224 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#224) Many autistics are afraid of the sound of a motor-bike. 225 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#225) A motor-bike sounds similar to a bear. It is possible that the instintive reaction of autistics when they hear the sound of a motor-bike triggers an ancient fear for cave-bears.

Because inherited memories of some bloody cave-bear is more likely than the rather well-established fact that most people with autism spectrum disorders have over-sensitive hearing and such noises are therefore unpleasant? I'm bothered as all fuck by hammering or people walking down stairs with loud steps, are those also the inherited memories of some sinister prehistoric lifeforms encountered a frigid night during some long-forgotten ice-age?


Many people with AS are face blind. This is likely because the specialized circuit for analyzing faces is adapted to recognizing Neanderthal faces rather than modern human faces.

Likely? Dear author, stop assuming your dumb speculations are fact.


Aspie-quiz have found that autistics rate Neanderthal faces as more attractive than neurotypicals.

Internet quizzes.


Language acquisition is different in autism. Autistics lag behind in using the correct language syntax. Low-level "impairments" are suggested by psychiatry, 234 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#234) but since language acquisition is largely innate, it's much more likely there are innate differences in language skills, and probably syntactic skills. Autistic children are forced to learn an alien set of language rules, and this causes them to lag behind peers. Some autistics also have trouble differentiating personal pronouns, 235 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#235) which is indicative of adaptation to endogamous groups.

In certain diagnostics criteria, what separates Asperger from some other forms of well-performing autism is the lack of language delay, and from my own experience (I've attended school for many years in classes exclusively for people with Asperger and such) most, when questioned and from their parents, never exhibited any language delay either, and our language skillsin general were well above average, including most being able to understand sarcasm and metaphorical speech.


Neanderthals often had "rodeo-type" injuries. This probably was caused by wrestling large (semi) domestic animals. Masochistic males get pleasure from being spanked by a female dominatrix. Autistic individuals frequently have unusual sensitivities for pain. They are both more sensitive to touch, and less sensitive to pain. This might have it's origin in sexual selection, and in Neanderthal habits of wrestling large mammals. Possibly it served the function of better handling the pain afflicted on them in their handling of animals, and this formed a ritual where spanking were used to harden their bodies. The pain differences would separate common pain from wrestling from dangerous pain. This is what is manifested in the pain differences in autism.

:laugh: Oh the extrapolation. Occam's Razor doesn't seem to be regarded much, here.


The sexuality group in Aspie-quiz contains unusual sexual preferences and gender issues. 241 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#238) In Africa, homosexuality seems uncommon 242 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#242) and the HIV-epidemic is largely due to heterosexual activities. 243 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#243) In Europe, the spread of HIV is largely by homosexual activities. The Neanderthal group bonding likely looked strikingly similar to bonobos. Bonobos are a female dominated species. The bonobo female uses non-reproductive sex to handle males. They are also highly promiscuous, and cannot select to mate with only alpha males, rather mate with all the males in their group. The Schadenfreude and Rousseau affect, as well as masochism must have it's origin in a female dominant species. For this reason, Neanderthals must have been a female dominated species. Some autistics feel they were born with the wrong gender. 244 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#244) It is common for autistic females to be tomboys and for autistic males to be more passive than is normal. Autistics also more often than normally engage in BD/SM and thus masochism. 245 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#245) They are also more often homo- and bisexual. 246 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#246) Chimps have a high rate of male infanticide, and males often use coercive methods to mate with females. This manifests itself as male violence against females, rape and infanticide in modern humans. All these traits originated in Hss, and are expected to have been more or less non-existent in Neanderthals. Violence against females, rape and infanticide are fundamentally incompatible with masochism. Bonobos engage in all kinds of sex. They do this because of the need to control males. By having sex with all the males in the group, they insure that males don't know if they are fathers or not, and therefore they will not commit infanticide. Their aggressive behavior is also controlled in this way. This correlates with unusual sexual behaviors in humans. Unusual sexual preferences is more common autistics. 247 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#247) Since Neanderthals were female dominated, it's very probable Neanderthal females needed to use this same tactic to control males. Monogamy within the group was probably not part of Neanderthal behavior. Rather, the group in itself functioned like a group-level analogy of monogamy. We might label it endogamous groups. Females needed to ensure that males stayed in the group, and just didn't pregnate the females and move onto a new group. If they allowed this, males would surely choose this route, as this would maximize their reproductive output. Another reason for this is that males switching between groups would commit infanticide and the one's that stayed would experience paternal uncertainty. It's crucial that females had some means of assuring that males stayed in the group. They solved this by not allowing males to participate in reproduction until they had shown their loyalty and abilities to the group. It is common for autistics to not like to socialize with stangers 153 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#153) and to bond strongly with group-members. 168 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#168) From this evolved special interests, that many autistics males have. These are also keys to success for many professionals and scientists. Special interests are often long-term, and this indicates that males had to impress on females during long periods of time. Sex was the glue that kept the group together, in much the same way it is in bonobos, but only men that had shown loyalty were allowed to participate in reproduction. Exhibitionism was a courtship cue used by males. 248 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#248) Exhibitionism is more common in Western Europe than in Africa. 249 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#249) Reproduction was most likely seasonal.

I don't know what the digression about HIV is about... but exhibitionism is a cultural phenomenon, and I'm not sure there is anywhere near the sort of data easily accessible to determine the level of exhibitionism in various groups (note that he seems obsessed with differentiation between African and Europe).

Then he even refers to one of the old Alma (the russian Sasquatch) stories!


Alma's have been reported for a long time in certain areas of Russia. Alma's are also part of the local myth's of these people. In the mid 1800th, a Alma called Zana was captured and later even got several children with locals. 263 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#263) 264 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#264) 265 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#265) 266 (http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#266) It's also interesting to note that people in this area also frequently become quite old.
Characteristics of Zana and Almas:


She had lots of body-hair. Another source says Almas (like Zana) have lots of red hair, but not in the face or on their hands and feet.
Her hair is reddish. This is in perfect correlation with red hair being of Neanderthal origin, and indeed over-represented in the autistic population.
She did interbreed, and the skull of one of her descendants showed peculiarities.
Dislike of cloth. Quite natural if you have excessive body hair. Also matches many autistics.
Dislike of heat. That does match the expectation of Neanderthals (being cold adapted), as well as the preferences of autistic individuals.
Fiery temper. It took 3 years to "tame" her. I would think this fits quite well with female autistics. Also matches the "fiery red-head" saying.



So, in other words, he's also a sexist.

Furthermore, on the source page by this Ekblad fellow, the author, he posts this:


Aspies seems to have inherited Neanderthal physical traits (http://blog.rdos.net/?p=73)

June 28th, 2010 There is a relatively large study in the Netherlands about physical characteristics of non-mentally retarded children with ASD.
Link: [URL]http://www.springerlink.com/content/ck441558236x33w7/fulltext.pdf
While the people behind this study probably didn’t reflect on the traits they have found, many of them seem to be physical Neanderthal traits.

Definite Neanderthal traits
* Eyes deeply set. Reference (http://www.kunstkamera.ru/en/temporary_exhibitions/virtual/gerasimov/05/):“Close-set small eyes are deeply sunk under the “visor” of the heavy brow ridges”.
* Prominent premaxilla. Reference (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJS-45GMHJM-1&_user=10&_coverDate=08%2F31%2F1999&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1383871833&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=539ed410f3f9ee794e633ae419d8fdeb) “Morphologic study of the premaxillary suture at its different borders (i.e. the nasal aspect of the frontal process, nasal and palatal aspects of the palatal process of the maxilla) indicates a persistence of the suture among very young Neandertal children in comparison to the condition in extant ones.”
* Palate high/narrow. Reference (http://books.google.com/books?id=QtR8Q2t4mTYC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=Palate+high/narrow+Neanderthal&source=bl&ots=sxOu9JalmM&sig=0nN4NvwDKOE8TezQHq4R5sud1Pk&hl=sv&ei=1YkoTLSuNoO6ON_KnaQC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false) “The palate is narrow and extremely high.”
* Macrodontia/teeth asymmetry/abnormally shaped teeth. Reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurodontism) “Taurodontism is a condition found in molar teeth where the body of the tooth and pulp chamber is enlarged vertically at the expense of the roots.” “The condition is of anthropological importance as it was seen in Neanderthals.”
* Large nose. Reference (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn15042-why-did-neanderthals-have-such-big-noses.html) “The Neanderthal’s huge nose is a fluke of evolution, not some grand adaptation, research suggests.”
* Nose bridge prominent. Reference (http://www.seanet.com/%7Erealistic/chpt16.html) “And heavy supraorbital ridges met across the bridge of the nose.”
* Nose concave. Reference (http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/homoneaderthalensis.htm) “A concave, angled nasal profile.”
* Lower jaw prominent. Reference (http://anthropology.suite101.com/article.cfm/who_were_the_neanderthals) “The concept of forceful chewing is also evidenced by the heavy jaw.”
* Toes widely spaced. Reference (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VBC-4FH0WB4-1&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F01%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1384181097&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=477da16074e7c56b82c95bfff0cc8cc8) “a gap of 1.6 cm marks the separation of big and second toes.”

Definite non-Neanderthal traits
There are no definite evidence of traits that could not have been of Neanderthal origin.

Inconclusive
* Brachycephaly. Reference (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24893&page=2) “I believe strongly in neanderthal origins of europeans. Another fact is that we find brachycephal neanderthals exactly where today live dinaric people (Brachycephal); the only brachycephalic neanderthals are those of Crapina and Vindija caves in Croatia.
Others were dolichocephalic, as are the people of the same places today.”
Traits that cannot be assessed
* Face coarse
* Forehead prominent Neanderthal had prominent brow ridges and a low sloping forehead. It is not straight-forward if this means they had prominent forehead or not.


It's written in a somewhat faux-scholary manner, but... this Ekblad fellow seems indeed to be a racist and a racial separatist. Perhaps it is not with sinister intent, but... ugh. Wish there was a vomit smiley.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

He is obsessed, it appears, with trying to prove that there is a Caucasian type which traces its line directly to the neanderthals and is uniquely related thereto unlike what he calls "knuckle-draging african apes", and goes on to spout absurd features which he attributes to these in the manner of a race biologist.

To illustrate:



Now, imagine that said by some shaved-head cromagnon with Confederate flag on his baseball cap - so to say - and you get the picture. This of course is on its own not necessarily an indication of racism, but does suggest that something such might hide in the mind of the author.



Must be serious matter then, he more or less admits that he is speculating widely to confirm his own pet-theory of how the superior Asperger Race Evolved from the Mighty Neanderthals. Rubbish. Discussion forums! Impressive!


But then you have this...



If this isn't racist, I don't know what is...

Then the author goes on to postulate that supposedly people with autism has some sort of connection to dogs because of cohabitation with wolves. I don't wish to dwell too much on the specific genetics because frankly human evolution is of no interest to me, but the absurd conjectures made on the most flimsy of basis are anything other than scientific or proper. To me, it appears to have the credibility of Erik von Däniken. He supposes that because "some people with autism claim to have a connection with animals", this somehow tells of an evolutionary past.


Personally, I always loathed dogs and found them extremely unpleasant to be around.

Further on, the author has done a few imbecillic quizzes on the Internet and extrapolate the results in incoherent ramblings. We then come to an even more offensive section involving "differences" between people with Asperger's and "neurotypicals". One of the questions is--



Which appears to refer to a certain paranoid delusion of people attributing normal sensations to electromagnetic fields, which is as much a load of rubbish as electricity allergy or "Morgellons".

But the really pathetic way is the manner in which the author then proceeds to consider certain behaviours attributed as typical of people with Asperger's with imbecilic conjecture about an evolutionary origin which is unsubstantiated and shaky at best. And some of these lists are just silly;



At times it starts to read like a self-help book.



That's goes quite a way down the road of making generic assumptions without basis, which manifests both the so called "neurotypicals" and people with Asperger's as some homogenous mass of evident division (which seems to be his point).





From my personal experience there is very little or no delay of maturation in people with Asperger's in most cases.



This nonsense is just going to go on and on, isn't it? Of course any problems with eating too much doesn't have to do with something along the lines of being unalert to signs of being filled, it's NEANDERTHALS, MAN!



Just when you thought this nonsense couldn't get more ridiculous! Afraid of floods and fast running streams? Why, I never noticed any of this! In fact I find fast running streams and floods just as interesting as the churning of a tranquil stream, for to me it is the force of the water and the way the water consists of so many small parts flowing forth in unision that is the charming thing... glacial streams... bah! Utter smeg!



Because inherited memories of some bloody cave-bear is more likely than the rather well-established fact that most people with autism spectrum disorders have over-sensitive hearing and such noises are therefore unpleasant? I'm bothered as all fuck by hammering or people walking down stairs with loud steps, are those also the inherited memories of some sinister prehistoric lifeforms encountered a frigid night during some long-forgotten ice-age?



Likely? Dear author, stop assuming your dumb speculations are fact.



Internet quizzes.



In certain diagnostics criteria, what separates Asperger from some other forms of well-performing autism is the lack of language delay, and from my own experience (I've attended school for many years in classes exclusively for people with Asperger and such) most, when questioned and from their parents, never exhibited any language delay either, and our language skillsin general were well above average, including most being able to understand sarcasm and metaphorical speech.



:laugh: Oh the extrapolation. Occam's Razor doesn't seem to be regarded much, here.



I don't know what the digression about HIV is about... but exhibitionism is a cultural phenomenon, and I'm not sure there is anywhere near the sort of data easily accessible to determine the level of exhibitionism in various groups (note that he seems obsessed with differentiation between African and Europe).

Then he even refers to one of the old Alma (the russian Sasquatch) stories!



So, in other words, he's also a sexist.

Furthermore, on the source page by this Ekblad fellow, the author, he posts this:


It's written in a somewhat faux-scholary manner, but... this Ekblad fellow seems indeed to be a racist and a racial separatist. Perhaps it is not with sinister intent, but... ugh.

... I never thought of it that way ... :unsure:


Wish there was a vomit smiley.

Well, then I will make one just for you:
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Took about 10 minutes.

[RobertDole]

It's written in a somewhat faux-scholary manner, but... this Ekblad fellow seems indeed to be a racist and a racial separatist. Perhaps it is not with sinister intent, but... ugh. Wish there was a vomit smiley.

Actually:




Does anyone know about these websites and their reliability/who runs/finances them. This is because I briefly looked on another site relating to this autism/Neaderthals thing and not only did it have links to the "true Aryians" on it, but also, had links to autism and feral children

Wait... RDOS isn't a white supremacist, right? Racists and white supremacists usually don't particularily like the theory once they understand it a little better.

Source: wrongplanet (dot) net/postp4159516.html#4159516

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Actually:


Source: wrongplanet (dot) net/postp4159516.html#4159516

I don't think he's a white supremacist. He doesn't have to be that to be a racist. He is a racist. He's still obsessed with Caucausians, but more than anything he appears to be an Asperger supremacist.


Racists and white supremacists usually don't particularly like the theory once they understand it a little better. Phew. It is mostly because the Neaderthal theory says that the difference in IQ is not because of superior NTs, but because a population has more Neanderthal ancestry, and thus the whole difference is in number of Aspies . When they discover that, as NTs, this means they are no more intelligent themselves than an NT from Africa, they usually decide they don't like the theory.

[Franz Fanonipants]

genetic "difference" theory in this fashion is pretty firmly in the "that's racist" camp there's nothing you can really do about it

[RobertDole]

more than anything he appears to be an Asperger supremacist.

Yeah, but that's only because it might be behind essentially all recent human progress:

A) wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

B) Autism, the Integrations of ‘Difference’ and the Origins of Modern Human Behaviour
It is proposed here that the archaeological evidence for the emergence of ‘modern behaviour’ (160,000–40,000 bp) can best be explained as the rise of cognitive variation within populations through social mechanisms for integrating ‘different minds’, rather than by the development of a single ‘modern human mind’. Autism and the autistic spectrum within human populations are used as an example of ‘different minds’ which when integrated within society can confer various selective benefits. It is proposed that social mechanisms for incorporating autistic difference are visible in the archaeological record and that these develop sporadically from 160,000 years bp in association with evidence for their consequences in terms of technological innovations, improved efficiency in technological and natural spheres and innovative thinking. Whilst other explanations for the emergence of modern human behaviour may also contribute to observed changes, it is argued that the incorporation of cognitive differences played a significant role in the technological, social and symbolic expression of ‘modern’ behaviour.journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=5568692&jid=CAJ&volumeId=19&issueId=02&aid=5568688

C)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Yeah, but that's only because it might be behind essentially all recent human progress:


Yeah, you'd say that, judging from the fact that the only things you ever posted on this forum is in this thread defending this rambling article by this fool. Are you defending the original authors racist remarks - did you miss the one about the black's "less complex and more primitive inferior music"? - and are you defending his non-scientific conduct?

From your defence of Autistic supremacy, I think it is safe to assume that you have Asperger or has been diagnosed somewhere along the lines of the autist spectrum, and while I wish to avoid too much groundless pseudo-psychological rubbish and aimless speculation (but with the equal merits of the OP article), perhaps this defence, which frankly is rather common in people on the Internet with Asperger (thankfully, I've never encounted one in real life), this idea might stem as a response to those others that claim that they are inferior. It is a sort of defence mechanism, perhaps. I don't think it is a very constructive behaviour, on the other hand, and frankly it is to the point where I am ashamed to declare publicly that I have a diagnose, because so many people go around declaring themselves intellectual giants and so smart because they have Asperger, and acting like they are superior, and I do not wish to be associated with those separatists, no matter how alien and reprehensible I might consider "neurotypical behaviour".

Furthermore, your post has little relevance to the issue at hand, apart from that you endorse Asperger supremacy, which frankly I find offensive.

[Franz Fanonipants]

its pretty fucked up that op has a person with downs syndrome as his avatar and is pushing this bullshit

[Renegade Saint]

Just the fact that this moron thinks humans are only "supposedly" related to our African ancestors is enough to keep me from reading the rest. Thanks Takayuki.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

its pretty fucked up that op has a person with downs syndrome as his avatar and is pushing this bullshit

I'm no longer supporting this article. I have been against it for the past two days. Takayuki has convinced me that this article is racist.

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Just the fact that this moron thinks humans are only "supposedly" related to our African ancestors is enough to keep me from reading the rest. Thanks Takayuki.

Who, me? Because I don't think that.

[RobertDole]

It is a sort of defence mechanism, perhaps.
Not at all, but the same can't be said of your rambling ad hominem hissyfit there :rolleyes:

[Renegade Saint]

Who, me? Because I don't think that.
Not you.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Not at all, but the same can't be said of your rambling ad hominem hissyfit there :rolleyes:

Where's the ad homiem? Or the hissy-fit? I merely speculated, in a general manner, what sort of thing would perhaps result in the rise of this misdirected supremacy-movement. Equally, the speculation is just as vague and baseless as those in the article which you defend, which, at least, I had the humility to admit (unlike the author of a certain rambling article full of nonsense and racism). Why are you defending the author and his frankly dumb and unfounded ideas?

[bcbm]

given that this has been pretty thoroughly demonstrated to be racist garbage and is veering towards personal arguments, thread closed.