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emporsteigend
28th January 2012, 22:23
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-auto-drone-20120126,0,740306.story

I would be more than willing to be executed by robots in the future if it means they clean house on civilization and get rid of whinging leftards.

Rebuttal.

¿Que?
28th January 2012, 22:32
Anonymous will hack them...

emporsteigend
28th January 2012, 22:38
Anonymous will hack them...

Artificial brains may eventually reach the point that they will no longer be hackable, just as ours are not.

The Old Man from Scene 24
28th January 2012, 22:42
The people who designed them.

piet11111
28th January 2012, 22:46
Drones need to be programmed and its impossible to program for the unexpected.

And when i look at the spy drone the Iranians seem to have hacked and landed safely i am not optimistic on the safety of remotely controlled drones either.

I expect fully autonomous drones to be delayed by inadequate programming until the 2030's and even then they would still be strictly monitored.

Psy
28th January 2012, 22:48
Artificial brains may eventually reach the point that they will no longer be hackable, just as ours are not.
The human brain is extremely hackable as it a chemical based computers thus hacking is simply a matter of changing the chemical balances in the brain, also they are many exploitable glitches in how our brains interrupts the outside, for example 3D glasses are basically a hack to trick the brain into thinking its perceiving visual depth when they are looking at a flat object.

I don't see computers being any less hackable.

Os Cangaceiros
28th January 2012, 23:57
There was a post about this over at Global Guerrillas too:

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2012/01/the-future-of-warfare.html

The possibility of this aircraft being able to host "drone swarms" was kind of interesting. But, as some people in the comments said, the nature of this technology as a "game changer" is going to be impeded by other states utilizing it, and even non-state actors...

But at the same time, as Hardt/Negri wrote about in "Multitude", one of the major advantages that insurgents have today is the fact that there is a serious risk of losing political capital by sending western troops into harm's way. That annoyance could be effectively removed by the complete depersonalization/mechanization of warfare with drones and even things like robotic tanks.

Rafiq
29th January 2012, 00:10
Artificial brains may eventually reach the point that they will no longer be hackable, just as ours are not.

Our brains are hackable... We just haven't tried on humans yet "apparently".

Psy
29th January 2012, 00:34
Our brains are hackable... We just haven't tried on humans yet "apparently".
Yes we have it is called LSD, remember the term hacking simply means alerting logic beyond normal operating perimeters of the device.

Revolution starts with U
29th January 2012, 00:35
We have, with success. We can stimulate electromagnetic fields in your brain and influence action.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mind-control-by-cell

Ocean Seal
29th January 2012, 00:36
I would be more than willing to be executed by robots in the future if it means they clean house on civilization and get rid of whinging leftards.


If this is your view and its not sarcasm then why aren't you restricted to say the least.

Os Cangaceiros
29th January 2012, 01:21
People's brains are totally hackable, haven't you ever heard of the political process.

emporsteigend
29th January 2012, 22:39
I expect fully autonomous drones to be delayed by inadequate programming until the 2030's and even then they would still be strictly monitored.

Are you aware of how artificial intelligence has progressed over the past few decades?

Look at this, for example:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/brainsinsilicon/


Yes we have it is called LSD, remember the term hacking simply means alerting logic beyond normal operating perimeters of the device.

OK, now figure out how to inject LSD into the operating drone.

ColonelCossack
29th January 2012, 23:38
Our brains are hackable... We just haven't tried on humans yet "apparently".

I agree with Rafiq. The mind is a funny thing. Not difficult to manipulate. Look at optical illusions! And how such a little thing as electrical disturbances can cause... oh I don't know... hallucinations of ape-like humanoids etc.

emporsteigend
30th January 2012, 00:57
I agree with Rafiq. The mind is a funny thing. Not difficult to manipulate. Look at optical illusions! And how such a little thing as electrical disturbances can cause... oh I don't know... hallucinations of ape-like humanoids etc.

Incapacitating agents like BZ are rarely if ever used. Perhaps they are ineffective. That would apply to machine intelligences as well.

Liberalis
1st February 2012, 03:15
The people who designed them.
The person who designs a carving knife is not responsible for the actions of another person who uses that knife to kill someone.

Who is responsible? The people who use and employ the item in question. In other words, the owners.

¿Que?
2nd February 2012, 02:02
The person who designs a carving knife is not responsible for the actions of another person who uses that knife to kill someone.

Who is responsible? The people who use and employ the item in question. In other words, the owners.
Bullshit. People who work for military R&D in America know full well what their work is going towards. They either know or are irresponsibly uninformed. They should be accountable too.