Hexen
26th January 2012, 23:01
Recently I've been "debating" with a Freemarket libertarian on this youtube video on the Borg (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8&page=1) (which you may remember from this thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/individuality-social-constructi-t159254/index.html?p=2338980#post2338980) that I said that the borg represent the demonizing on egalitarianism) with a person named "residentzombie" which ironically promotes this metaphor....
The Borg is the concept of collectivism and why collectivism is so bad. Individualism is what must be protected and defended and not group mentality. There can be no group without individuals. Every individual lives his life for his own purpose. Humans are NOT sacrifical animals for the enjoyment of others (socialism). You should check out G Edward Griffin for more insight into collectivism vs individualism. Ayn Rand is another good source.
Of course I replied (as zonolio1):
Spoken like a true capitalist propagandist. The Borg are actually a demonization of egalitarianism or 'collectivism' they say (since we should really abandoned the "individualism" vs "collectivism" dichotomy) because capitalists or libertarians like yourself are too afraid to join cooperating society while you simply want to be left alone want to alienate and exploit others. Also Ayn Rand is serial killer fetishist.
and he replied:
I agree Rand was a lover of Irgun terrorists, but that doesn't mean she was wrong about everything there young collectivist. To the contrary, the free market is we the people. Through supply vs demand of your fellow man and due to scarcity of the product prices are set. The free market is people coming together to produce more products for the consumer which in turn creates wealth. Read 'I Pencil'
I replied
Actually your forgetting the fact the term "we the people" actually means the wealthy as written (since the constitution and the bill of rights was actually originally written for the bourgeoisie not the productive classes which is further evident that we are not writing the laws but they are) . Also “free market capitalism” is an ideological weapon wielded by wealthy elites in Western countries to preserve their privileged lifestyles.
he replies
We the People should actually say We the States. The States formed the federal government, not the other way around, but this is another matter and I don't wish to sway to it at this time. To the contrary what you described as free market capitalism is actually fascism and/or corporatism. We the consumers are the market. The consumer through demand and supply dictates to business what they want produced. Tell me what force Bill Gates has used to force you to buy his inventions?The globalists that have brainwashed you with memes to give up your freedoms to the government to further become a serf, you better start to wake up before this country is ruined. If you have a free mind (which I highly doubt) here is a good debate against the memes you learn in gov't funded schools, gov't sponsored and funded TV, gov't officials who desire more power, etc.: watch?v=bwEcH7HGSZY&context=C3*62e00aADOEgsToPDskJRIiJmR9xVVo*DabFIkjy MX
I reply
This is a common argument among conspiracy theorists like yourself that anyone who disagrees with you are "brainwashed" which your now retorting ad homenium/character assassination attacks. Problem is seems like you want just want to raise to the top and become rich yourself while you don't want the "government" interfering with your business modules. Also there is no such thing as "Free Markets". In short your nothing more than a Right Wing Libertarian.
He replies
Is it a common argument for you that whenever someone tells you you worship tyrants that you call them conspiracy theorists? It's well documented the plans they have for the world, but I guess you are too busy playing with your PS3 and watching Snooky to learn what is really going on in the world with the psychos leading most governments. I tell you you are brainwashed to get you to open your mind, but as I said earlier I don't think your mind can be opened so what's the point?
Of course here's his other quote.
Government and statist try to use collectivist slogans and propoganda to make you think that the state is the most important element of society and it is not. The state only exists to protect the rights of individuals, individuals don't exist to serve the state.
Any further response to this person or am I wasting my time?
The Borg is the concept of collectivism and why collectivism is so bad. Individualism is what must be protected and defended and not group mentality. There can be no group without individuals. Every individual lives his life for his own purpose. Humans are NOT sacrifical animals for the enjoyment of others (socialism). You should check out G Edward Griffin for more insight into collectivism vs individualism. Ayn Rand is another good source.
Of course I replied (as zonolio1):
Spoken like a true capitalist propagandist. The Borg are actually a demonization of egalitarianism or 'collectivism' they say (since we should really abandoned the "individualism" vs "collectivism" dichotomy) because capitalists or libertarians like yourself are too afraid to join cooperating society while you simply want to be left alone want to alienate and exploit others. Also Ayn Rand is serial killer fetishist.
and he replied:
I agree Rand was a lover of Irgun terrorists, but that doesn't mean she was wrong about everything there young collectivist. To the contrary, the free market is we the people. Through supply vs demand of your fellow man and due to scarcity of the product prices are set. The free market is people coming together to produce more products for the consumer which in turn creates wealth. Read 'I Pencil'
I replied
Actually your forgetting the fact the term "we the people" actually means the wealthy as written (since the constitution and the bill of rights was actually originally written for the bourgeoisie not the productive classes which is further evident that we are not writing the laws but they are) . Also “free market capitalism” is an ideological weapon wielded by wealthy elites in Western countries to preserve their privileged lifestyles.
he replies
We the People should actually say We the States. The States formed the federal government, not the other way around, but this is another matter and I don't wish to sway to it at this time. To the contrary what you described as free market capitalism is actually fascism and/or corporatism. We the consumers are the market. The consumer through demand and supply dictates to business what they want produced. Tell me what force Bill Gates has used to force you to buy his inventions?The globalists that have brainwashed you with memes to give up your freedoms to the government to further become a serf, you better start to wake up before this country is ruined. If you have a free mind (which I highly doubt) here is a good debate against the memes you learn in gov't funded schools, gov't sponsored and funded TV, gov't officials who desire more power, etc.: watch?v=bwEcH7HGSZY&context=C3*62e00aADOEgsToPDskJRIiJmR9xVVo*DabFIkjy MX
I reply
This is a common argument among conspiracy theorists like yourself that anyone who disagrees with you are "brainwashed" which your now retorting ad homenium/character assassination attacks. Problem is seems like you want just want to raise to the top and become rich yourself while you don't want the "government" interfering with your business modules. Also there is no such thing as "Free Markets". In short your nothing more than a Right Wing Libertarian.
He replies
Is it a common argument for you that whenever someone tells you you worship tyrants that you call them conspiracy theorists? It's well documented the plans they have for the world, but I guess you are too busy playing with your PS3 and watching Snooky to learn what is really going on in the world with the psychos leading most governments. I tell you you are brainwashed to get you to open your mind, but as I said earlier I don't think your mind can be opened so what's the point?
Of course here's his other quote.
Government and statist try to use collectivist slogans and propoganda to make you think that the state is the most important element of society and it is not. The state only exists to protect the rights of individuals, individuals don't exist to serve the state.
Any further response to this person or am I wasting my time?