Self Revolution(no not Masturbation)

[Xuix]

Hi, I guess this is my First post here. But I've browsed the forum of che lives for quite some time now. Like Che Guevara, Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr, I want to express a clear message against capatilism, and against The way the system works. But its hard to rebel against a system which you live under without being persecuted. Its hard to go against corporate assholes when you live in a corporate city(toronto). Its hard to rebel against Large money driven pigs since Everything I own is from a Corporate company.
I'm a vegetarian, although the odd time I eat chicken. I am Buddhist, and I think theres something seriously wrong with the Christian Relgion. I hate it when even my own friends and family think that I'm wrong and that I should just accept the shit thats been thrown at me. I want to Slap messages around my school and around the places were I hang out to express what I believe in and what I think needs to change.

I want to start a self Revolution
The problem is I don't know what to do first.

[BuyOurEverything]

Hi, I guess this is my First post here.

Welcome.


Che Guevara, Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr, I want to express a clear message against capatilism

How dare you compare Che to Ghandi! Ghandi was a religious moderate and a pacifist who accomplished nothing that wouldn't have already happened very soon anyways. Che actually fought for his beliefs and liberated a country.


But its hard to rebel against a system which you live under without being persecuted. Its hard to go against corporate assholes when you live in a corporate city(toronto). Its hard to rebel against Large money driven pigs since Everything I own is from a Corporate company.

I comiserate. It's very difficult and there's no easy solution. Since there will never be a revolution in Canada or the US, I think that the best weapon remains education. Educate as many people as you can.


I am Buddhist

Great, another one.


and I think theres something seriously wrong with the Christian Relgion.

There's something seriously wrong with ALL religions, you should try and realize that and not just reject one form of mid-fucking supersticion for another, lesser one.


I hate it when even my own friends and family think that I'm wrong and that I should just accept the shit thats been thrown at me.

Are you refering to christianity of capitalism? Either way, fight back.


I want to Slap messages around my school and around the places were I hang out to express what I believe in and what I think needs to change.

Good idea, I think I might do the same. Do you live in a very conservative area? If so, be careful.

[redstar2000]

The problem is I don't know what to do first.

There are basically two approaches and both have their strengths and weaknesses.

One is that you simply demand what you want...whatever that might be. You ignore (for the time being) what anyone says about "practicality", "impossibility", etc. Nor do you pay any attention to such concerns yourself...you say this is what I want!

The other and far more difficult approach is to analyze material reality and figure out what kinds of changes "make sense"...are inherent possibilities or even probabilities in the present era. If you like what your analysis turns up, you support it; if you think it sucks, you oppose it.

You can see that this summary is bypassing a whole host of considerations--is what you really want in fact a "good thing"? Is your analysis of material reality a "good one"? And so on.

But those two approaches or some mixture of the two are in fact what people who want to "change the world" do first.

Good luck!

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[Xuix]

I refer to Capatalism, and the what I think of the overall status of Canadian and American Society( the fact that the media controls us...the fact that most of our decisions aren't made for ourselves). I have nothing against Christianity, I'm just against some certain christian establishments that try to convert and persecute other beliefs, although there are those type of establishments for Most religions. I believe the greater to be christianity. I am against any source of conversion be it coming from a Christian establishment, muslim, jewish, hindu or otherwise.

thanks for the responses redstar and Buyoureverything

[Kez]

i'd go with RedStars 2nd route, well written. Along with this you can read a few posts of past experiences of people like urself, and more importantly to read classic books like marx, engels, lenin, trotsky, bakunin, stalin, etc so u know what ur talkin about

[redstar2000]

As you may have observed, there are many threads on this board that discuss religion.

It's a daunting task, but you may want to begin by reading them (or at least a sample chunk of them).

Ask yourself this question first: what are the material foundations of religious ideology?

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[Xuix]

I've read the communist manifesto and I'm currently reading a book on the history of Marxism. I've been getting intrested in anarchism, and I'm getting really intrested in some of albert meltzer's works.

[Jesus Christ]

welcome Xiux, its nice to have you here
Id like to talk about Buddhism sometime, Im very interested in it

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 11:01 AM
I've been getting intrested in anarchism,
Like with most ideologies, you will find that many books on Anarchism are written by authors who have 'showed off' their education by writing material that is sometimes hard to understand, either consciously or unconsciously.

I suggest you start with my own compilation of material in the Anarchism for Dummies (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=6421) thread, and/or you can read my favourite The ABC of Communist Anarchism? (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html), by Alexander Berkman. Ignore the 'Communist' in front of Anarchism, for it isn't a term that is used today (the book was published in 1929).

[killnowV2]

read everything you can get your hands on everything from anarchy to leninism some you can fully understand and evaluate your current standings.
learn as much as you can as dude said education is power.
look at everything from all points of veiws.you cant be against something you dont understand. nice to meet you by the way . i hope we can share and learn from each other

[Mike Fakelastname]

Do what I do, draw the hammer and sickle symbol, or in your case, a big black rectangle, everywhere you can!

Give your money away to anyone who asks for change, and if they ask you why you gave it to them, tell them that you aren't a capitolist, and if they let you explain further than that, do so.

Tell your friends about it, usually the teenage age group are eager to listen to stuff about Communism or Anarcism, out of their own curiosity.

Like someone else said, educating yourself about it is about the best thing you can do, these forums are a great way to do that.

Find someone else that believes the way you do, Commies are not hard to spot. Anarchists are harder, because usually "punks" call themselves anarcists without even knowing anything about it.

Make your own clothing, just buy a pack of white T-shirts, and decorate them yourself.

There's tons of other things you can do, start with a self "rebellion" first, and then move on to a "revolution"

[Xvall]

Ghandi did accomplish something, and there is nothing wrong with him being a Buddhist, considering that it really isn't a religion. Buddhism is about as religious as martial arts or yoga.

[Pete]

Ghandi was a Hindu, and Buddhism is as much a religion as Christianity is. Yoga is a method of obtaining Moksha in Hinduism. We just need a wider definition of religion to see this :)

[Jesus Christ]

Buddhism is a religion, but I see it as a way to release my stress and to attain my 15 minutes of peace everyday.

[Xvall]

Traditional, or Zen Buddhism is not a religion at all. Buddah specifically stated that he did not want to be worshiped. Buddah rejected to concept of Maksha and Karma.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 23 2003, 09:56 PM
Traditional, or Zen Buddhism is not a religion at all. Buddah specifically stated that he did not want to be worshiped. Buddah rejected to concept of Maksha and Karma.
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but many sects of Buddhism now accept Karma

[Pete]

Worship of an image or person is not what makes a religion, it is but one of the western factors we usually presuppose when thinking about religions.

Instead of Moksha buddhists have Nirvana.

[Borincano]

Welcome Xuix.

As for Buddhism, even though I'm behind and need to refresh some of my Buddhist studies, I never read that the Buddha rejected Karma. Also, Buddhism can be called a religion, but as well as a philosophy.

[Xuix]

To me buddhism is not for an idol worship, (Like Che, Siddartha would also have hated to be a celeberity or worshipped.) Buddhism is a philosphy, it can be a religion ( for those who choose to follow it with more extremes) its highly educational and you can get alot of it. Their are many paths to enlightment, even buddha himself said that, and said that we have to find our own way. Like a padme is first born in the mud, and it soon finds its way into the pond, and thats what we have to do, we have to suffer and struggle. Life is suffering, although not entire suffering, but theres alot of it. I guess you can say Karma does exist, its a great way to moniter what good and bad things you have done. I can't explain what buddhism is. Because thats it. Buddhism is. Its what you perceive it to be.