wierd occupyLA "psy-ops" communique

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this was recently pointed out to me, reading it the person seems either insane or uberliberal-insane or a pig. the article (http://occupylosangeles.org/?q=node/4285) is about an alledged DHS psy-ops social media campaign. seems more like an attempt to discredit radical


warning lights started going off reading this:

HOW TO AVOID PSY-OPS:


1) Use real names and identities. Check IDs.


2) Avoid people or groups that do not use real names.


3) Avoid people that use multiple identities.


4) Avoid secrecy.


5) Avoid cult behavior. If anyone tries to keep you from reporting illegal behavior to the police, ignore them and report it.


7) Avoid any person or group that twists things from wrong to right. Damaging people or property is wrong, but if you have been around a Cy-Ops person long enough, you may start thinking the opposite. No matter how someone wants to glamorize it or makes fun of those that disagree, destructive acts are illegal, immoral, and unethical. Beware of those who use qualifiers, who say they think it is only okay to do violence against the people or property of those they label as the enemy.


8) Avoid anyone that wants to get you into a secret group where things are supposed to be more interesting or exciting. Usually this is someone setting you up for arrest.


9) Beware of people or groups that want to get you high or drunk and get you to talk.


10) Beware of people who want to take you to visit or stake out a proposed site where some sort of destructive act is being proposed or even theoretically proposed.


11) Beware of flattery or offers of sex.


thoughts?

[RevSpetsnaz]

Sounds like the counter intelligence tactics you use when youre a kid, ie. answer every personal information question with the truth as the person questioning will be expecting you to respond with false information.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Just sounds like an super-liberal wannabe-hippie that's militantly pacifist.

The real names thing and the 'report crime' bit could lend credit to the pig theory, but I think it seems to be coming from liberal naivety.

The part about not trusting random people (assuming they mean people you don't know) who want to go do something blatantly illegal is good advice, though. At least in the US.

[Tabarnack]

Sounds like good advice on all counts...

Chances are that the police already know who you are if you have been active with OWS for a while, if you work in secret with people you don't really know, doing things that are not quite legal then you are setting yourself for a fall, even if you had no intention of doing anything illegal... Reporting a crime depends on what the illegal activity is, obviously common sense should be used, deflating the tires of a police car is not the same as planning to blow up a building...

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But this person is talking about checking people's ids all the time, so u can trust who they are.

[Leftsolidarity]

this was recently pointed out to me, reading it the person seems either insane or uberliberal-insane or a pig. the article (http://occupylosangeles.org/?q=node/4285) is about an alledged DHS psy-ops social media campaign. seems more like an attempt to discredit radical


warning lights started going off reading this:


thoughts?

Sounds like a pig or just a dumbass

[Tabarnack]

"But this person is talking about checking people's ids all the time, so u can trust who they are."

Yes that is over the top, but depending on what kind of activity you are involved in, you might want to know exactly who you are dealing with, generally speaking I don't believe it is necessary to know everybody's identity. The suggestions are good, you just need to add a bit of common sense, assume you are being watched and act accordingly, in other words do not even joke about blowing things up...:lol:

[Ocean Seal]

I loled a little bit. It sounds like a tin foil hat police report. Beware the communists are the Dark Brotherhood.

[QUOTE]
HOW TO AVOID PSY-OPS:


1) Use real names and identities. Check IDs.

Excuse me mr. face covered anarchist could I see your passport.

2) Avoid people or groups that do not use real names.

Like anonymous. Yes please avoid them.
3) Avoid people that use multiple identities.

Neil Caffery

4) Avoid secrecy.

Make sure to tell the pigs everything

5) Avoid cult behavior. If anyone tries to keep you from reporting illegal behavior to the police, ignore them and report it.

Ahh this one actually reaffirms what I thought the 4th one meant. Remember you are joining a dangerous cult if you don't go to confession at the police precinct every night.


7) Avoid any person or group that twists things from wrong to right. Damaging people or property is wrong, but if you have been around a Cy-Ops person long enough, you may start thinking the opposite. No matter how someone wants to glamorize it or makes fun of those that disagree, destructive acts are illegal, immoral, and unethical. Beware of those who use qualifiers, who say they think it is only okay to do violence against the people or property of those they label as the enemy.

That's right. Its okay if the pigs beat the shit out of *people* but when the bourgeois man loses a branch of his company thats just plain wrong.


8) Avoid anyone that wants to get you into a secret group where things are supposed to be more interesting or exciting. Usually this is someone setting you up for arrest.

This is actually the one good point. We actually shouldn't do this so I won't make fun of it.

9) Beware of people or groups that want to get you high or drunk and get you to talk.

Smoke weed errday

10) Beware of people who want to take you to visit or stake out a proposed site where some sort of destructive act is being proposed or even theoretically proposed.

If you even think about violence you are going to tell. Well that's not totalitarian at all.

11) Beware of flattery or offers of sex.

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Borat_I_Like_Sex_Royal_Shirt.jpg

[blake 3:17]

Some of the advice seems sound to me. I've been in groups that were infiltrated by police -- that's actually not the worst problem -- and by police informants -- WAY WORSE. Usually they're people who have been flipped by the cops to get out of some other charges and expecting financial compensation.

If you're in range of left wing lawyers association it might be worth checking with them on these issues.

Victor Serge wrote a great book on police repression before the October Revolution. It deals with specifics of the time, but I think a lot of the logic holds up: http://www.marxists.org/archive/serge/1926/repression/index.htm

[rylasasin]

I loled a little bit. It sounds like a tin foil hat police report. Beware the communists are the Dark Brotherhood.


Who knew that Lucien Lachance was Leftist? :laugh:

And that Karl Marx was actually an aspect of Sithis all along? :laugh::laugh:

[o well this is ok I guess]

Whoa
It's like the polar opposite of the guide to outing pigs on here.

Also the way the author constantly asserts his activist-cred makes me recall the bit about organizations in The Coming Insurrection.