Nazis beaten by anti-fascists and old people

[Triple A]

We had a demonstration against the government last weekend in Lisbon, many movements joined all of them leftist but then a fascist group tried to demonstrate there.

It didnt go well for them as anarchists, antifascists and anonymous soon confrontated them, and then, surprise, old people many of them old enough to have lived during the fascist regime joined anarchists insulting and even kicking the fascists.
In the end they got their flags burned, they kept two flags with their blood wich they now call sacred because they have blood shed in the fight for Portugal :laugh:


Because this would be worthless without video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bW9eIv5WNk&feature=player_embedded#!

[Ocean Seal]

Wait should the title read Nazis beaten by anti-fascists and old people.

Cuz I just had a Da Fok moment there for a while.

[Comrade J]

Vid wasn't working for me. Clicked the link and it works now.

Lol, unlucky with the flag-burning :D Something of an anti-climax. Always good to see fascist scum get a beatdown, although you can't see so much in this video. What were the pigs doing btw, defending the fascists or just trying to keep everyone apart?

[Triple A]

Wait should the title read Nazis beaten by anti-fascists and old people.

Cuz I just had a Da Fok moment there for a while.

I am having english exam tomorrow dont make me insecure on my english


Vid wasn't working for me. Clicked the link and it works now.

Just enjoy the nazis being teached a lesson by people who lived during the government of the guy they defend.

[Ele'ill]

Same demo?

vDgmKP4tRDs

[MegaBrah]

I am having english exam tomorrow dont make me insecure on my english



Just enjoy the nazis being teached a lesson by people who lived during the government of the guy they defend.

Taught :)

Joking :p

[Buitraker]

Thats the actitude!

[Sasha]

Fixed the title..

[Lanky Wanker]

I had no idea what was going on in that vid...

[Ocean Seal]

I am having english exam tomorrow dont make me insecure on my english


I'm sorry bro, best of luck on your exam.

[Triple A]

Same demo?

vDgmKP4tRDs

Yes, in this video people chant:

"Fascism never again" and "25th of April forever"

what equals mad fascists

[Triple A]

I had no idea what was going on in that vid...

Fascists try to attack people, then they get attacked themselfs, then they run and come back with intervention police.

[ColonelCossack]

I nearly had a Da Fok moment for a while.

Me too, funnily enough.

[Triple A]

What exactly is wrong in the title?

[Ocean Seal]

What exactly is wrong in the title?

Nothing now, but it originally said Nazis beaten by fascists and old people. And I thought that was kind of strange, but psycho changed it to anti-fascists.

[X5N]

Same demo?

vDgmKP4tRDs

What is that squeaky-toy noise?

[Triple A]

Nothing now, but it originally said Nazis beaten by fascists and old people. And I thought that was kind of strange, but psycho changed it to anti-fascists.

Oh, my fault


What is that squeaky-toy noise?

a rubber duck i assume:laugh:

[Aleenik]

I know my opinion is, for some reason, unpopular here, but I am against the beating of people, including fascists, unless they start a physical fight first.

[The Douche]

I know my opinion is, for some reason, unpopular here, but I am against the beating of people, including fascists, unless they start a physical fight first.

Good luck with that.

Actual, real world, experience with people who don't adhere to your rules will change your mind pretty quickly.

[Marquess]

Fascists try to attack people, then they get attacked themselfs, then they run and come back with intervention police.

Cowards. They only like it when they have the numbers advantage, it's the same here in the states.

[Aleenik]

Good luck with that.

Actual, real world, experience with people who don't adhere to your rules will change your mind pretty quickly.So because others are aggressive, violent, sadist... I'll for some reason change my mind? I think not. I realize there are people who don't adhere to fighting only when attacked first, but it doesn't mean they are right and that for some reason I would change my mind because a lot of other people are aggressive, violent, sadist.

If a communist beats up a fascist without the fascist starting the fight first, then the communist should be restrained and punished. I don't need aggressive, violent, sadist as my comrades. In fact, I don't want them.

[Sasha]

Restraining is aggression, punishment is aggression, your just as aggressive as someone who punches a fash yet you use it against fellow leftists and by the sound of it let someone else do the dirty work.

[The Douche]

So because others are aggressive, violent, sadist... I'll for some reason change my mind? I think not. I realize there are people who don't adhere to fighting only when attacked first, but it doesn't mean they are right and that for some reason I would change my mind because a lot of other people are aggressive, violent, sadist.

If a communist beats up a fascist without the fascist starting the fight first, then the communist should be restrained and punished. I don't need aggressive, violent, sadist as my comrades. In fact, I don't want them.

You're obviously speaking from a position of privilege, you clearly don't have to face the threat of regular unprovoked violence from people who oppose you.

Punished? By who? The state?



Why am I even responding to this liberal bullshit?

[Aleenik]

You're obviously speaking from a position of privilege, you clearly don't have to face the threat of regular unprovoked violence from people who oppose you.

Punished? By who? The state?



Why am I even responding to this liberal bullshit?You're right, I don't face regular unprovoked violence, but I'm willing to bet the majority here don't either. That doesn't change my opinion on the matter.

As for who should punish them, in a communist society the community would obviously, but in our current society they should be punished by their fellow comrades that don't agree with them. I'd be for suspending them from or even kicking them out of an organization as one form of punishment.

As for your "Why am I even responding to this liberal bullshit?" comment, that really set me off. You're an admin and resulting to calling people a liberal because you don't agree with them. What an epic fail. It's called having a difference of opinion.

[The Douche]

I'm not calling you a liberal. I'm saying you position regarding tactics of dealing with class enemies (especially ones who attack and murder us) is liberal. Surely you can see the difference?

[Aleenik]

I'm not calling you a liberal. I'm saying you position regarding tactics of dealing with class enemies (especially ones who attack and murder us) is liberal. Surely you can see the difference?My mistake, you are calling my views liberal not me. I know there is a big difference. And yes I am being serious not sarcastic.

Still, my views are not liberal. There are liberals who hold views of non violence unless attacked first, yes, but there are also conservatives who hold that view and people from many others pieces of the political spectrum that hold that view.

[The Douche]

Your position is liberal. What are you arguing about? You think we should "punish" people who want to ensure fascists cannot establish a presence in the streets.

I've been seriously injured by nazis in the past, and I have seen first hand, that if you hurt them bad enough, and often enough then they will cease their activities, history has also proven my position to be correct. Think whatever you want, your position isn't against the rules or anything, its also not all that uncommon on the left. I just disagree with it.

[Aleenik]

Restraining is aggression, punishment is aggression, your just as aggressive as someone who punches a fash yet you use it against fellow leftists and by the sound of it let someone else do the dirty work.
Aggression
1: a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master
2: the practice of making attacks or encroachments; especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another
3: hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook especially when caused by frustration

Restraining is definitely not aggression. Punishment could be said to be aggression, I'll give you that. How am I just as aggressive as someone who punches a fascist though? If I'm not going around starting fist fights like some antifa sadist want to do, that definitely doesn't mean I'm as aggressive as them. I obviously am against fascists, I'm a communist, but I am not against fellow 'comrades' being punished for doing stupid violent and sadistic crap.

"Oh hey comrades X and Y, let's go around town beating up people with fascist views, even if they aren't starting a fight with us first. That'll really show the world how great our cause is!" I don't agree with that. That's just my opinion on that matter, but I don't see those views changing.

[Sasha]

Hey you can quote a dictionary; doesn't change the fact ill take a punch in the jaw over getting ostracised any day.
And I'm a bouncer, I know how violent restrainment is, its often necessary but its violent, pretty much the same as some pre-emptive violence.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Aleenik- you live in some cushty imaginary world, I can assure you that two weeks in my home town would radically change your views on the matter but anybody cant talk poo from behind the safety of computer screen. Good night and please leave this thread with your patronising BS.

[pastradamus]

Guys I think its pretty clear he's a pacifist and one who does not like violence. Whilst I dont agree with him I think its a pretty acceptable view to have.

I for one am a former Boxer, Muay thai boxer and I've never started a fight in my life. I've been attacked and I've intervened in situations before. I do like to see a fash get a good beating but thats exactly the kind of front (if not the only front) they like fighting on because they usually seem to lack the intellectual capacity to take a leftist on with words and reason.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

pretty acceptable to describe people as "antifa sadists" that need to be punished? Definitely not acceptable to me. Only good thing is that he obviously has fuck all influence on anything and only thing he can do is to express his outrage at antifascists violence here. Real world is elsewhere.

[Aleenik]

Aleenik- you live in some cushty imaginary world, I can assure you that two weeks in my home town would radically change your views on the matter but anybody cant talk poo from behind the safety of computer screen. Good night and please leave this thread with your patronising BS.How is it a "cushty imaginary world" to have a view of only fighting when attacked first? It's not that hard to do that. Also, I will not leave this thread with my views. Sorry to shock you with this comrade, but not everyone holds the same views on everything. As for talking crap behind a computer screen, I don't see how I am talking crap, but you are entitled to your opinion.


Guys I think its pretty clear he's a pacifist and one who does not like violence. Whilst I dont agree with him I think its a pretty acceptable view to have.

I for one am a former Boxer, Muay thai boxer and I've never started a fight in my life. I've been attacked and I've intervened in situations before. I do like to see a fash get a good beating but thats exactly the kind of front (if not the only front) they like fighting on because they usually seem to lack the intellectual capacity to take a leftist on with words and reason.I'm not exactly a pacifist, though I have great respect for them. I hate violence, but I feel sometimes it is an unfortunate necessity. I do however, as expressed in this thread, feel that people shouldn't be beating other people up unless they were attacked first. I am against all unnecessary violence.


pretty acceptable to describe people as "antifa sadists" that need to be punished?Are you denying that anti fascists can be sadist? Obviously I am not calling all anti fascists sadist. I myself am anti fascists of course. As for people being punished for doing stupid shit, yes, I am not against that happening. Doesn't matter to me if they are communist or not.



Definitely not acceptable to me.Ok.



Only good thing is that he obviously has fuck all influence on anything and only thing he can do is to express his outrage at antifascists violence here.I kinda feel that part of your post is useless, but I'll run with it. I'm willing to bet that most people here have no to little real influence in the real world. I wonder. How awesome are you in real life that you have so much influence? Are you the leader of a chapter of some anarchist federation or something? I unfortunately am not. But I admire your obvious epicness in rl.



Real world is elsewhere.:rolleyes:

[Anarchist Skinhead]

I am super awesome in real world :)

And whats the fucking point exactly in waiting for Nazis to make the first move when you KNOW clearly they will make it? Attack is the best form of defense. Otherwise you condemn yourself to leaving initiative always in the hands of your enemy and allowing him to choose where and when the confrontation will take place. If you would have ANY experience with real nazi violence you would have knows that that kind of approach is dooming you to failure and defeat. There is no need for liberal bullshit of claiming moral highground. Reading your posts reminds me of all those idiots going on about how we are as bad as nazis.
Think about it that way- were the partisans during WWII bad when they were attacking nazi forces (and they were most of the time not replying to attacks but instigating their own)?
And as for antifa being sadists- perhaps there are any- but in my 18 years involvement in anti-fascists struggle I have yet to meet one. Sure there are some people doing nasty stuff on our side- but I never seen them loving it so much that they ever done it to anybody else- surely if they would be sadists they would be looking for any excuse?
Anyway, as I said before, this talk is bit pointless