Al Jazeera - what we dont see

[DaNatural]

A friend of mine's family lives in pakistan and they get the al jazeera channel and they have relayed some messages here. one being that the taliban have captured some usa soldiers and have killed them. her family was saying that they have shown the captured soldiers, also as if most of u didnt beieve this as of yet, they have shot down some helicopters. this is just usa's way of covering everything up trying to keep the support up. peace

[gogo gomez]

Quote: from DaNatural on 11:45 pm on Nov. 8, 2001
A friend of mine's family lives in pakistan and they get the al jazeera channel and they have relayed some messages here. one being that the taliban have captured some usa soldiers and have killed them. her family was saying that they have shown the captured soldiers, also as if most of u didnt beieve this as of yet, they have shot down some helicopters. this is just usa's way of covering everything up trying to keep the support up. peace

yeah, i hear where your coming from. sometimes i get so mad when i watch t.v. then other times im looking at the screen and i know what im seeing is just a bold face lie. just like radio, thats scares me too. all these airwaves and channels, you cant see them but you know they are out there or are they?? peace to you too.

[Anonymous]

I think the "out of line" TV news station Al jazeera is such an inconvinience to the US I wouldnt be suprised if they came up with some fictional romance to justify an eventual bombing of the station! I dont know if they would have the balls but it has crossed my mind, and i have US offcials speak of Al jazeeras "evil propaganda"... Maybe... just maybe.. its time to bomb Katar to preserve "freedom and democracy".

[Derar]

i live in United arab emirates , and ive got al-jazeera channel , all i can say is its a great development in the ppl's right to know ! in the freedom of speech !
and ive heard on it that the taliban shot down 2 us helicopters , and killed something near 50 us commandos , or atleast some of them where wounded until 2 f-16 jets bombed the scene to hide any important info !
and yeah , once in an iterview on bbc , a right wing israeli accused al-jazeera of being a propaganda channel by showing the palestinian victims , and the killing done by israelis , the commentator from al-jazeera said ( ok next time we will lie ! ) in a sarcastic way.
plus i bet u guys in the u.s. dont see the victims of the afghan bombings , which so far reached more than 1000 civilians !!
thats the difference , cnn shows the bombers drop the bombs , al-jazeera shows what happens after the bombs expolde !

[Guest]

i think that the US needs to lie more than taliban in order to keep the public support till the end ot the campaign. there may be many american casualties, but the americans won't reveal such things now.

[Guest]

(this is sabre, i'm just at school)

I feel that the whole U.S. Policy on keeping this information away from us is terrible, jsut restricting our freedom even more, like these new bills that bush signed for it to be easier for them to tap phones and such.

[Anonymous]

in war the frist casualty is the truth

[El Commandante]

I read an email today sent to my mum sent from my Aunt who is English but is married to an America. They live in California and I always thought they were quite open minded about things. Especially my Aunt because she's English but they have had their views completely distorted by American propaganda. I kept getting sent "jokes" from them about killing Afghans (I wouldn't describe them as jokes).

But in this email they are seriously wanting the hell to be blown out of the whole of Afghanistan, even the use of nuclear weapons. This just shows how normally sane people can be manipulated and exploited by a corrupt media service.

[Chief Rebel Angel]

Al Jazeera is indeed a good channel... i'm watching it right now :P :P .. anyway, i heard that it will be "banned" from the UK, is that true?

[Derar]

I wouldnt be surprised , they would just say its a propaganda channel ( becoz it tells the truth ) , while the BBC isnt !!!

isnt this world funny !

[Derar]

Quote: from El_Che on 6:30 am on Nov. 9, 2001
I think the "out of line" TV news station Al jazeera is such an inconvinience to the US I wouldnt be suprised if they came up with some fictional romance to justify an eventual bombing of the station! I dont know if they would have the balls but it has crossed my mind, and i have US offcials speak of Al jazeeras "evil propaganda"... Maybe... just maybe.. its time to bomb Katar to preserve "freedom and democracy".


well , believe it or not , last week the US bombed Aljazeera station in afganistan !!
Imagine that ! and ofcourse neither cnn or bbc mentioned that !!
well, do u know what , ive got al-jazeera , and ill be posting any interesting news i see on it !

( Hope they dont bomb my house too ) !!!!!!

[CommieBastard]

The Independant, however, did mention it.
Luckily no Al-Jazeera staff were wounded, because they had fled when a bomb had landed nearby the BBC office half an hour earlier.
(the bomb near the BBC office HAD been reported, simply because one of their staff NEARLY got killed by an exploding window)

[Guest]

neither side is neutral. al jazeera's coverage of the events in the middle east is different but not nonbyast. it's coverage of isreal is laughable i have lived in Isreal we moved last year to Holland then to England. But the PLO is not this great group of revolutionaries; they rarely if ever attack government facilities instead they blow up markets. The Isreali military does not shoot innocent suvilians they shoot people who have said they would take gret joy in killing an Isreali. So for the al jazeera report that demonised the military for blowing up a terrorist head quarters and killing three terrorists who they paraded as heros who killed the oppressers. My sister was not an oppressor she was hanging out with her freinds getting ready to go out when this jackass came and ended her life she was 13. so in short fuck these terrorists and FUCK AL JAZEERA FOR MAKING THEM HEROS

[CommieBastard]

but ofcourse, you are in no way biased, and have in no way emotionalised your opinions about any of these circumstances and are making purely rational and disconnected statements...

[Derar]

I always wonder , wonder how some ppl have the guts to say that israelis r not killing innocent ppl , and the palestinians r the terrorists !!!!
i mean , r these ppl blind , or they r just heartless !
i really dont have the right words to express my feelings , what kind of humans r they ?!
from the beginning of the entifada ( fighting occupation ) , 800 palestinians were killed , 40 % of them r under 20 years old ! and thats not a statistic from aljazeera nor from a palestinian source , but from The red-cross organization !!

[Anonymous]

guest you should read the tread concerning the isreali palestinian conflict for the justification of what i am about to say. The sate of isreal is ilegal, partition its self i wrong and unjust but the curent situation is outragous. State of isreal is criminal and has no right to existe so it must be desmantled and until this is done the problems will not end nither will terrorism for both parts cease.

as for al jazeera it does a better job than cnn and bbc but noone is perfect i agree.

[Guest1]

Of course, what some Palestinians have done is wrong. Bombing a night-club doesn't help. On the other hand, it doesn't justify keeping an entire people under siege. Just today, there were mass home-demolishings to make room for another settlement. Yes, the same kind that doesn't allow non-Jews, the same kind that's there to change demographics, make it easier to justify the state's existence. If you can dilute the Palestinian population, you can justify taking that land for good.

[Derar]

2 days ago i saw a documentary movie about che-guivara on al-jazeera...........
goddamn , i was so amazed , i couldnt take my eyes off the Tv for the next 2 hours.
it was one of the most amazing things ive ever watched !

[Derar]

News Update :
Yesterday 5 palestinian children were killed when one of them accidently kicked an unexploded shell which was fired by the isreali army at a nearby school .

Today a palestinian was shot dead by an israeli soldier while he was throwing stones after thr funeral of the 5 boys . Also onother 2 palestinians were killed when an isreali helicopter bombed their car while they were coming back from work .

The red cross is investigating the killing of 400 afganis , who were slayed in the past weeks after the Northern allience entered kabul and mazar-a-sharif .

[El Commandante]

Yesterday 5 palestinian children were killed when one of them accidently kicked an unexploded shell which was fired by the isreali army at a nearby school .


Do you believe that, they were killed by kicking it, these are shells that travel long distances through the air and a thrown about in a tank. Could a kick set it off?? There must be more to it.

[Derar]

Who knows !!

but thats what the palestinian authority has said .......

[Freiheit]

both sites are so radical-fanatic-religious, there cant be a solution.
they must learn to share. maybe the jews were there first, but then they was kicked off and now they cant have the whole land, they must share.

[Freiheit]

both sites are too radical fanatic-religious, that no solution is possible. through their subjective-religious view, both parties can legitimize to have the whole land for them self. but they must learn to see it objective, and to share. an independent palestinian as well as an israelian state must be founded.

[Guest]

how can u aske ppl to acte when u boomb there home and you kill kides going to school the palstinian are faighting for there raight to have a contery free one

[Freiheit]

you cant support one site, because every site does exactly the same, palestinians kill some kids, israelis kill some kids. it is very hard, but they must stop this revange-shit.
how many palestinian got killed?
how many israeli got killed?
too many!
the killing must end - now!
both sites made mistakes, you cant say whose fault it is.

[Derar]

JERUSALEM, Nov 24 - The Israeli army admitted a "possibility" that an Israeli bomb planted for Palestinian activists killed five Palestinian children two days earlier in the southern Gaza Strip city of Khan Yunis, the army said in a press statement.

"Head of the Southern Command General Doron Almog, investigating the incident, allowed for the possibility that the children were killed as a result of handling a bomb planted by the Israeli army at a location used by terrorists to fire against our forces," the statement said.

[Derar]

and as for ur questions Freiheit :

how many palestinians killed - more than 800
how many palestinians wounded - more than 10000
how many isrealis killed - more than 160

do i see an unfare war !!?

plus , u said ( they must stop this revenge shit )
i dont think u r talking about the isrealis , becoz they r the offensive side , so we dont call it revenege
and about the palestinian revenge !! this is the only way for them to exist !
as the world is just watching .......
if isrealis r so angels like ppl say , then why isreal trys the best it can to prevent UN forces to come to palestine ...... while the palestinians were begging for peace keeping forces since 1981 !

[ComradeFubar]

An eye for an eye makes both sides blind

[Freiheit]

ghandi showed that it is possible with peaceful actions (revolution), to get independent.
i cant believe that there are only 160 victims, all this bombs over years.
please tell me why you support the palestinian, maybe i can better understand.
the only solution: un forces must go in, the land must be shared and etc.
but if there are suicid-bombs etc. no country wanna send trups.

first israel began and sent forces and invated palestinian land.
some fanatic-religious palestinian wanted revange (they carpedred international airplanes, and bombed school-buses etc.)
then some fanatic-religious jews wanted revange and killed some palestinan property and sent forces.

so: israel began the war
palestinia began to kill children.

[El Commandante]

Quote: from Freiheit on 3:28 am on Nov. 25, 2001
. an independent palestinian as well as an israelian state must be founded.



And the evidence from when this has been done before shows how well it works, I think not. Eire and Northern Ireland, Kashmir, India and Pakistan, division is not the answer. What is needed is intergration, palestinian jews, Israeli muslims. That is the only way that peace will come about.

[El Commandante]

Freiheit you need to make up your mind as to what you think, you say that you think the only way for peace is two seperate states. Then you say who support Gandhi who believed in conjunction between the Muslims and Hindus. This is the man who offered the whole of India to Jinnah (leader of the Muslim League, later president of Pakistan) all of the land if he kept the countries joined. Gandhi also fasted himself to the brink of death in order to stop the violence between the countries.

You need to choose which arguement you believe in. I see the only way for peace as being intergration.

[jose lopez]

hello....well just one thing..
One thing we all know is that the israelis are completely right wing, no???
And another thing is that who took the land from the palestinians,,, come on this only happend a couple off years ago.....and why every body calls the palestinians terrorists, just because they dont have a uniform????
o come on...its normal that arabs hate usa ..who suports the israelis?? well I think this a couple off thing to think about........but anyway fuck religion.....but this problem its not only about religion....its about the same $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$fucken$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Freiheit]

the israeli are right wing yes.
israel took palestinians land, right.
everyone calls the palestinian terrorists, because they bombe schoolbuses and other suicid-bombs. the palestinian also naped airplaines and killed many, many children and women.

[Freiheit]

Quote: from El Commandante on 10:46 am on Nov. 25, 2001

Quote: from Freiheit on 3:28 am on Nov. 25, 2001
. an independent palestinian as well as an israelian state must be founded.



in all this regions both sites wanna have the whole county.
but the palestinian only wanna have an independent state, the israeli wanna have the whole country.

so they have to share and the israeli must be made to respect the border.

And the evidence from when this has been done before shows how well it works, I think not. Eire and Northern Ireland, Kashmir, India and Pakistan, division is not the answer. What is needed is intergration, palestinian jews, Israeli muslims. That is the only way that peace will come about.

[El Commandante]

First off, if you think that all Israelis are right wing then you are making a serious generalisation. Only the government in power at the moment is right wing but there are a number of left wing jewish israelis, some who want to go back the original borders of 1948, others who want a shared state.

Secondly Jose Lopez, do you think that you could delete some of those $, we get the message but you've widened the page and it's annoying to read the other messages now, thanks.

[Freiheit]

Quote: from El Commandante on 10:50 am on Nov. 25, 2001
Freiheit you need to make up your mind as to what you think, you say that you think the only way for peace is two seperate states. Then you say who support Gandhi who believed in conjunction between the Muslims and Hindus. This is the man who offered the whole of India to Jinnah (leader of the Muslim League, later president of Pakistan) all of the land if he kept the countries joined. Gandhi also fasted himself to the brink of death in order to stop the violence between the countries.

You need to choose which arguement you believe in. I see the only way for peace as being intergration.


i just said ghandi showed us how to fight.
it was against suicid-bombing.

[El Commandante]

Gandhi didn't show anyone how to fight he was a pacifist. In India there was not a revolution, all that happened was there was a change in government and it was not a British government. Gandhi was not a revolutionnary he merely was a spiritual leader who gave guidance. There were many other people involved, Jinnah, Nehru, Mountbatten and Chamberlin in the independence of India. There were also the millions of people involved in the mass strikes and hartals (a day of peace and tranquility to cleanse the soul).

Gandhi was merely a guide, not a leader nor a revolutionnary and he never wanted to be one. He turned down the offer of leading India.

[El Commandante]

Freiheit:

in all this regions both sites wanna have the whole county.
but the palestinian only wanna have an independent state, the israeli wanna have the whole country.


You've contradicted yourself, you start by saying that both want the whole country and then in the next sentence say that only Israel want the whole country. Which do you mean??

I think there are people in both countries that want all of the land to be their countries. But by making sweeping generalisations all you do is cause discrimination and miss out people's views. There are people in both Palestine who want the countries to join and work together, or go back to 1948 borders and start a fresh. Not everyone wants to destroy themselves.

It is from generalisations that racism and discrimination develop so be careful how you express yourself.

[Freiheit]

the palestinian wanna have back the land the had at 1948, but they dont wanna have everyting. their main aim is, above all, an indepentdent palestinian state.

ghandi organized protests, he blocked streets etc. and got in a lot of trouble, even jail i gues. because he wanted an independent india. however, ghandi was a good guy, he won.

[jose lopez]

first sorry about the page $$$ I dindt know it would do that. Im not saying all israelis are right wing but we are talking about the moment, the goverment is a ultra right wing, thats for sure. and about the bombs and hickjakes off planes, yeah Im not saying thats good, but what USA its doing right know ..??bombimg schools, and red cross hospital.. what the matter thats ok no? yeah I suposse cuzz they are americans...the saveours off the world , the policeman off the world, they have the power off fucking up and the fuck up someone else becouse off their fault.....they try to clean up their shit, shiting on other inocent people....and those are the friend off the israelis lovely couple indeed.....felicidades pueblos del mundo............rambo is here

[Freiheit]

here in this forum, many people support the palestinian, but you shouldnt support one site, because both parties did awful and bad thing, and both are guilty.

the killing must end,
they must discuss
and find a fair solution.

i dont wanna defend on site, i just wanna say thats both are the problem and you cant say whos fault it is.

[Derar]

Freiheit :
What the hell r u talking about ?!
everything u said is a personal opinion ....... not based on true facts ...
what isreali children were killed ? when ? why r u converting the facts ?
its really stupid , isreal is developing bio-chemical weapons more than any country in the world , and no once says anything ...... if u dont believe it , in 1992 an isreali trade plane crashed in the netherlands ....... the isreali company was using the airport in netherlands for years ...... no one knew it was for bio-chemical weapons , when the plane crashed , ppl living the area got infected with some wierd diseases , most of them died ......only in 1996 an official from the company addmitted that the company used the airport for transporting bio-chemical weapons to isreal ....
and about the killing of children , r u blind , dont u read the statistics , why r u defending israel ?
im against israel becoz its a racist country , zionism = racism , its even worse than nazism ....
also becoz it kills , murders , tortures , and one has the guts to ask israel to stop !!
in 1982 isreal committed one of the ugliest massacres in the past 50 years ..... the massacre of sabra and shatila , at that time aeriel sharon was the minister of defense , and he ordered this massacre , more than 2000 women and children from the palestinian refugees in lebanon were slayed ........ no one has accused sharon for war crimes ..... well maybe the court of crimes against humanity in belgium accused him ...... but now they r considering to change the whole law , after extreme pressure from the isreali government !!!

[Freiheit]

Derar, do live behind the moon?
if you read newspaper you know how many children was killed by suicid-bombers.
maybe they test with chemical weapons, but that is a fact from the golf war (against iraq) and has nothing to do with palestina.

the first aim (for everyone) must be to find a solution and not judge whose fault it is.

israel might be racist (the majority, if you say every israeli youre a racist as well), but the palestinian are the same.

israel made some masacre, palestinia did as well (suicid-bombers, airplanes)

it might sound like i would defend israel, but i dont.
im neutral, it is the fault of both. the must find a solution
not fight.

the nazis killed more than 6 million jews and the same of other peoples, they killed over 10 million ppl and you compare israel with them?

try to feel yourself in both positions.
what would you do if suicid-bombers kill your children?
what would you do if someone took your land?

please to try to stay objective and fair.
your problem is a lack of information.

[Derar]

dude ....... again and again .... u have no point ,
if we all have to see things from the killer's view and from the victims view ...... then why is this site for , why was che for , why is there revolution ?!
and as for not comparing nazis and isrealis ...... well one thing , i dont hate jews ....... i hate isrealis .
also it doesnt matter if someone killed millions or killed thousands , what difference doesnt make !! its the same thing ..... coz the one who killed thousands would kill millions if he had the chance to !
and the use of bio-chemical weapons wasnt in the gulf war , they used different kinds of nerve gas durin this uprising for " independence " !

[pce]

"israel might be racist (the majority, if you say every israeli youre a racist as well), but the palestinian are the same. "

the palestinians are not racist, they don't care that the israelis are jewish, they're just mad that their land has been taken away. it doesn't matter what ethnicity or religion the people taking their land are. on the other hand, it can be argued that the israelis are racist because i have heard numerous people say that anyone who is not a white jew is treated as a second class citizen, whether they are jews of middle-eastern decent or arabs.

[Freiheit]

oh my god!

first, what are your points then?
maybe "i hate israelis".

1) "if we all have to see things from the killer's view and from the victims view ...... then why is this site for , why was che for , why is there revolution ?!"

this site is for discussion, that also includes searching of possible solutions.
che fought for his ideals, he wanted to change the world, he didnt fight for revanche. he had simple reason why he was right. not they killed my friend, child or whatever, let's kill us two friends, two children or two whatever.
revolution is change. change is revolution. revolution is not based of killing, it is based on change, to fight for ideals. now will the palestinians fight for their ideal of independence, why legitimize they their suicid-bombing with killed children?

2) also it doesnt matter if someone killed millions or killed thousands , what difference doesnt make !! its the same thing ..... coz the one who killed thousands would kill millions if he had the chance to

the aim of the hamas is it to kill as much kids and women as possible. the israeli government just try to kill the hamas to protect their children.
why doesnt israel use their chemical weapons then, wouldnt it be a chance to kill millions?

if i have no points, then show me yours.

[Derar]

pce , thanx
Freiheit , ppl like u make me sick ....
i said my points ........ smart ppl would get it , might belive in it or not , its their choice .
but i wont waste more space replying to ur stupid nonsense comments !

[Freiheit]

Quote: from pce on 7:02 pm on Nov. 26, 2001
"israel might be racist (the majority, if you say every israeli youre a racist as well), but the palestinian are the same. "

the palestinians are not racist, they don't care that the israelis are jewish, they're just mad that their land has been taken away. it doesn't matter what ethnicity or religion the people taking their land are. on the other hand, it can be argued that the israelis are racist because i have heard numerous people say that anyone who is not a white jew is treated as a second class citizen, whether they are jews of middle-eastern decent or arabs.


but they the israelis dont like the palestinian, baecause their palestinian, they dont like them because they kill their children etc.

[Freiheit]

Quote: from Derar on 7:30 pm on Nov. 26, 2001
pce , thanx
Freiheit , ppl like u make me sick ....
i said my points ........ smart ppl would get it , might belive in it or not , its their choice .
but i wont waste more space replying to ur stupid nonsense comments !


JUST WALK AWAY! what should i think now.
you seem to be pretty sensible, but whats your problem?
show me a good solution for the problem.
i actually have nothing against palestian, i just dont like
it if ppl look too subjective.

the forum is for disscussion.

anyway, i brought some good points in my last statement. (that before you wrote that i am stupid and
make you sick).

[Edelweiss]

Good sites which monitors Al Jazeera coverage:
http://www.cursor.org/aljazeera.htm

[El Che]

exelente, thanks malte.

[Guest]

I have Al Jazeera in the UK via Sky Digital, but I don't understand a word of it!

[Anonymous]

I was watching it during the first few days of the 'War on Freedom' and they had some pics of dead afghanis (innocents), the other channels didn't show these.

[Xvall]

Nineteen-Eighty-Four Syndrome People...
America has never lost a war,
America only withdraws...
America never gets dammaged by Eastasia,
America was always at war with Eastasia,
Eastasia is lying,
Big Brother speaks the truth,
Big Brother is watching you...


( By the way, 10-15 US military casualties every day.. )

[GuerillaTactics]

Good T.V. Station...........but they do not have an english version or website........thats the only thing that sucks for some of us

[GuerillaTactics]

I found out earlier today........that al-jazeera will have english subtitles for 12 hours a day........should be pretty cool

[Guest]

Ill chek that out, if they have subtitiles