Jews in Iran

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[Rafiq]

That doesn't change the fact that Iran is run by "soft" anti semites (Jews control world, but dere are some good ones).

[seventeethdecember2016]

That doesn't change the fact that Iran is run by "soft" anti semites (Jews control world, but dere are some good ones).
Perhaps, but does that also mean the US is run by "soft" anti-Islamists? The US certainly doesn't punish its own Islamic minorities, but they often use rhetoric against Islamic countries. I also can't remember an American war, after WW2, that wasn't against either Islamic or Communist countries.

[hatzel]

Perhaps, but does that also mean the US is run by "soft" anti-Islamists?

Are you suggesting it's not?

[CommieTroll]

Perhaps, but does that also mean the US is run by "soft" anti-Islamists? The US certainly doesn't punish its own Islamic minorities, but they often use rhetoric against Islamic countries. I also can't remember an American war, after WW2, that wasn't against either Islamic or Communist countries.

Ever heard of a magical place called Guantanamo Bay?

[Misanthrope]

What's the point of this thread? Are you insinuating that Israel does not discriminate against "dark" skinned Jews?

[danyboy27]

Another victim of Iran Online PR campaign, this is sad, really.

Yes there are jews in iran, but they cannot freely leave the goddamn country, they need a lot of authorisation to move around.

[Rafiq]

Perhaps, but does that also mean the US is run by "soft" anti-Islamists? The US certainly doesn't punish its own Islamic minorities, but they often use rhetoric against Islamic countries. I also can't remember an American war, after WW2, that wasn't against either Islamic or Communist countries.

Fuck Islamism. Any real Leftist opposes Islamism.

[Misanthrope]

Perhaps, but does that also mean the US is run by "soft" anti-Islamists?

You have to realize that the resultant Islamophobia and racism towards Arabs in America is influenced by the US government but this is motivated. This "War on Terror" carried out by America is nothing more then a quest to dominate the Middle East and control their (America's) business interests.

America is against Islamic theocracies not for their actions against their citizens or other states but because they control oil and do not get in bed with America.






The US certainly doesn't punish its own Islamic minorities, but they often use rhetoric against Islamic countries.

Racial profiling, a rise in racism to arabs, traveling security, stereotyping, ect.?

Oh yes, America is bringing freedom to Islamic dictatorships!!:rolleyes:

[Rafiq]

The American Bourgeoisie is actually very pro islamist. They're the ones who helped create it (and still are) after all. A lot of people don't seem to understand this....

[Clarksist]

Any real Leftist opposes Islamism.

Well, this depends greatly on your definition of Leftism, and Islamism for that matter. As for the content of "Islamism" (I assume you're talking about Islamic theocratic rule) it's one of the most brutal ideologies ever concocted. This is the inherent nature of theocracies in general, however. Because of that basic problem with theocracies, I would be wary of picking on "Islamism" as some sort of special point or else you threaten to distort the issue. The issue being that the United States prefers their economic partners to have totalitarian control over their people so that they can steal whatever they want and sell it cheaply to the US corporations and purchase US military goods (or maybe a better term is "bads" :p yuk yuk yuk).


The American Bourgeoisie is actually very pro islamist. They're the ones who helped create it (and still are) after all. A lot of people don't seem to understand this....

This is exactly the problem. People don't realize it because it just isn't reported to them. It's always framed in religious terms, "these two groups hate each other because of ancient conflicts, etc."

In general, real conflicts are over current material questions and the religio-historical melodrama is used to beat the drums of war or pacify privileged liberals into "pained" acquiescence.

[hatzel]

I don't think the guy with all the 3's meant "anti-Islamist" to mean "opposed to the political current of Islamism," rather than "anti-Islam-ist, an -ist against Islam," as in "Islamophobic" by any other name. Or at least that's how I understood it...matey can feel free to correct me.

[Rafiq]

The U.S. government doesn't appear to have an issue with Islam, so long as it benefits them.

[seventeethdecember2016]

Another victim of Iran Online PR campaign, this is sad, really.

Yes there are jews in iran, but they cannot freely leave the goddamn country, they need a lot of authorisation to move around.
Iran is currently having a lot of issues with the current sanctions, which the government will blame on Israel and the USA. This may cause a Pogrom, at some point, against all people of non-Irani and/or non-Shia backgrounds.

These videos were made in a period of stability, so it isn't hard to imagine that Iran would treat Irani Jews as humans. The Jews weren't a threat to the Irani Nation, so there wasn't harsh action taken against them.

I'd like to see the American Bill of Rights stand up if Muslims became a threat to the USA.


Fuck Islamism. Any real Leftist opposes Islamism.
Agreed, however there are certain times when you have to make sacrifices.
The People's Mujahedin of Iran is Islamist and Marxist. Should that be an allies?
I certainly support them over the current Irani regime.


I don't think the guy with all the 3's meant "anti-Islamist" to mean "opposed to the political current of Islamism," rather than "anti-Islam-ist, an -ist against Islam," as in "Islamophobic" by any other name. Or at least that's how I understood it...matey can feel free to correct me.

Yes, you are correct. I should have used Islamophobia rather than anti-Islamist.

[danyboy27]

Iran is currently having a lot of issues with the current sanctions, which the government will blame on Israel and the USA. This may cause a Pogrom, at some point, against all people of non-Irani and/or non-Shia backgrounds.

Peoplle from jewish descent cannot serve in the iranian armed forces, and this policy exist for a while. Xenophobia exist everywhere, and iran is not immune, especially toward pakistani and afghan refugee.



These videos were made in a period of stability, so it isn't hard to imagine that Iran would treat Irani Jews as humans. The Jews weren't a threat to the Irani Nation, so there wasn't harsh action taken against them.

Dude, Iran have a beef against israel for a long time now, and the jews living in iran right now are not a threat, its just plain old xenophobia.



I'd like to see the American Bill of Rights stand up if Muslims became a threat to the USA.

but jews are not a threat to Iran, the israel governement is. Just so you know, not every israeli is jewish.

me think you dont like the jews.

[Leftsolidarity]

Fuck Islamism. Any real Leftist opposes Islamism.

Any "real" Leftist knows that "real" is subjective to the individual. There are religious leftists of all faiths. Apparently they aren't "real" Leftists to you. Oh please, all knowing one, tell me what a "real" Leftist is. :rolleyes:

[Rafiq]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism


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Christ Leftsolidarity, how can you take yourself seriously?

[Leftsolidarity]

Christ Leftsolidarity, how can you take yourself seriously?

By the fact that I am not trying to say who is a "real" Leftist or not. Unlike you, who seems to think that they are the ultimate definer of what/who is a Leftist or not.

[Rafiq]

I hope you're trolling. Would a real Leftist oppose sexism? Alright, but is that the ultimate "definer"?

Your logic is fucking stupid. I am under the suspicion that you're just trying too hard.

[danyboy27]

Any "real" Leftist knows that "real" is subjective to the individual. There are religious leftists of all faiths. Apparently they aren't "real" Leftists to you. Oh please, all knowing one, tell me what a "real" Leftist is. :rolleyes:
islamists are idiots.
Muslim on the other hand are not necessarly idiots beccause they are not necessarly islamists.

the basic definiton of islamism is:
slamism (Islamist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist)+-ism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism); Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): الإسلامية al-ʾislāmiyyah) also Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): إسلام سياسي‎ ʾIslām siyāsī , lit., "Political Islam" is set of ideologies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideologies_of_parties) holding that Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) is not only a religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion) but also a political system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_system)

islamism is not a religion but a political ideology.
Its basically the same kind of bullshit the American christian theocrats are displaying in america right now. Onward, christian soldier!

[seventeethdecember2016]

Peoplle from jewish descent cannot serve in the iranian armed forces, and this policy exist for a while. Xenophobia exist everywhere, and iran is not immune, especially toward pakistani and afghan refugee.

I don't believe I ever made a claim saying there wasn't discrimination. I rather claimed that Iran isn't the Fascist nation that Western Propaganda promotes.




me think you dont like the jews.
I am Jewish, for your information. My ethnic background is Sephardi Jewish.
Apparently anyone who defends Iran on anything is an Antisemite, at least by your standards.

Edit: After revisiting the comment you were referring to, I didn't see anything that would at all be offensive to Jews. You have to tell me why you made such a claim.

[danyboy27]

I don't believe I ever made a claim saying there wasn't discrimination. I rather claimed that Iran isn't the Fascist nation that Western Propaganda promotes.

Well, nobody in the west except fox news are saying that iran is a fascist nation. Everyone know iran is an authoritarian theocratic regime tho.


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I am Jewish, for your information. My ethnic background is Sephardi Jewish.
Apparently anyone who defends Iran on anything is an Antisemite, at least by your standards.

Not really.

[danyboy27]

Iran is currently having a lot of issues with the current sanctions, which the government will blame on Israel and the USA. This may cause a Pogrom, at some point, against all people of non-Irani and/or non-Shia backgrounds.

These videos were made in a period of stability, so it isn't hard to imagine that Iran would treat Irani Jews as humans. The Jews weren't a threat to the Irani Nation, so there wasn't harsh action taken against them.

I'd like to see the American Bill of Rights stand up if Muslims became a threat to the USA.
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that the comment that seemed to be antisemite to me.
I mean, when the jewish people of iran where ever a threat to the iranian state and why should they suffer for it?

[hatzel]

The U.S. government doesn't appear to have an issue with Islam, so long as it benefits them.

The same can be said of Iran and Judaism, what with their seeming love for the likes of Neturei Karta. Which is precisely why I didn't understand 3-guy's comments, which seemed to suggest that the America was some beacon of tolerance, and that Iran is loads worse but also it's really pretty good, which is why I don't know what's going on because I don't know what s_he is trying to say with any of this...if anybody could explain anything that'd be smashing...

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that the comment that seemed to be antisemite to me.
I mean, when the jewish people of iran where ever a threat to the iranian state and why should they suffer for it?
At least Iran allows them to stay. Turkey didn't allow me and my ethnic group to stay(except for Istanbul). Iraq, Syria, Libya, and several other countries didn't allow Jews to stay in their nations.

I think it is ridiculous that you believe anything I said was antisemitic.

[danyboy27]

At least Iran allows them to stay. Turkey didn't allow me and my ethnic group to stay(except for Istanbul). Iraq, Syria, Libya, and several other countries didn't allow Jews to stay in their nations.

I think it is ridiculous that you believe anything I said was antisemitic.
It was not antisemitic, i said that it was sounding like it was antisemitic, beccause nobody in their right mind would say that the way jews are treated in iran is okay.

[seventeethdecember2016]

It was not antisemitic, i said that it was sounding like it was antisemitic, beccause nobody in their right mind would say that the way jews are treated in iran is okay.
Oh please. Minorities are treated like garbage all over the world. Turkey still kills Armenians and Kurds, Israel keeps killing Palestinians, Coptic Christians live in Apartheid in Egypt, Sudan's genocides go unpunished, China's crackdowns on Tibet, Australia's genocide of Aboriginals, Sri Lanka's civil war with the Tamili minorities, Muslims in India, Hindus in Pakistan, Hutu and Tutsis in Rwanda, Irish in UK.
I hate theocratic states, especially Iran, however Jews were treated decently in the 2000s. I can't talk about the 2010s, since there is escalating hatred for Israel.

[Hiero]

The American Bourgeoisie is actually very pro islamist. They're the ones who helped create it (and still are) after all. A lot of people don't seem to understand this....

No they are not, you missunderstand foriegn policy. The state apparatus and especially it's foreign intelligance arm the CIA may tactically support and arm so call Islamist groups. The American Bourgeoisie is a class of people with individual beliefs. Saying the American Bourgeoisie is pro-Islamist means as group they hold believes that Islamism is a good thing which appears not to be the case.

The state apparatus is a practical arm of the ruling class, but it has its secretive and independent elements. It can be pro-Islamist if the agents within the state apparatus believe that tactically supporting such and such a group is in the long term interests of the American boursieosie. You have conflated state with ruling class, which makes historically inaccurate statements. Right now the CIA is plotting with MOSSAD against Iran, while at the same time given tactically support to the Islamist reactionaries in Afghanistan and Libya while at the same time the American Bourgeoisie may generally (mis)recgonise foreign state policy as being guided by good old American christian values.