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KR
14th January 2012, 16:07
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?

Princess Luna
14th January 2012, 18:15
If you don't find members a certain ethnic/racial origins to be generally attractive, that is understandable. However if you start a dating a man/woman, only to dump them when you find out he/she is half *insert race* , then you are racist because it no longer about aesthetical features. I think the same standard applies with regards to dating transsexuals.

ВАЛТЕР
14th January 2012, 18:18
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

SHORAS
14th January 2012, 18:21
As far as I am concerned there is only one race.

black magick hustla
14th January 2012, 18:21
i used to think that no. but now i think that yes. i feel attracted pretty much to everybody

Ostrinski
14th January 2012, 18:32
It depends. If it's for purely superficial aesthetic reasons (i.e., you find black women/men more aesthetically attractive than white women) then no. But if it is founded upon social stereotypes or something to that effect (i.e., you wouldn't date a black woman/man because they're not pure or some shit like that) then yes.

dodger
14th January 2012, 19:37
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?

Sorrry if I sound vulgar Kier, I love Fish and Chips. Adore them. Could I imagine eating then each and every day, for a lifetime? Not bloody likely. Rice and peas with Curry Goat. Latterly Lechon, with a few " happy meals", like PAELLA. RISOTTO ...CHATEAUBRIAND...SUSHI....MINCE & TATTIES...BOILED BACON...with a Florida Salad. Wherever I have been in the world or who ever I have met in London, they are all lovely. All shapes and sizes. All ages. Whatever the dress or costume. Whatever the language.... COUSCOUS.... KEBAB....SAUERKRAUT ...CHICKEN KIEV try it, SUCK IT AND SEE. Yer can always spit it out if the taste is bad....stick with Meatloaf, just like Ma used to make. I can promise you that you'll love at least one of those dishes.

Mind you Kier I often used to think why did I marry a black woman then a brown one. They both rubbed bleaching cream into every pore before bed. Never could make sense of that, never.

Franz Fanonipants
14th January 2012, 19:43
it is possible that it is internalized racism if applied only to european standards of beauty ie. "i only like fair-skinned, light-eyed people"

but that's p. far from being like the grand dragon of the kkk

otoh if you are like "whatever mudpeople are unsexable" then you probably have a problem

Ocean Seal
14th January 2012, 20:10
I'm going to go ahead and say yes. You can be attracted to certain traits but if you think that only one race can have beautiful traits then that's kind of racist. For me there are very attractive women of all races.

Renegade Saint
14th January 2012, 20:28
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?
Taking this literally (particularly the word only), I'd say yes.

For me, I find that I'm attracted to members of some racial/ethnic groups at higher rates than others, but I doubt there's a group on the planet with a few members I wouldn't want to shag.

GPDP
14th January 2012, 20:54
As someone who finds people of all races to be attractive (I look for features, not whether they're of a certain race or not), I would argue as long as you don't outright think "all black men/women are ugly," it's not racist. People generally are drawn to people who remind them of themselves, and this may include being generally most attracted to someone who is of their own race. As for being generally only drawn to people of one race that's not their own... does that maybe count as a fetish? Not sure on this one to be honest. :blushing:

Os Cangaceiros
14th January 2012, 21:00
As for being generally only drawn to people of one race that's not their own... does that maybe count as a fetish? Not sure on this one to be honest.

That's getting into a whole other annoying debate, about whether (for example) being white and attracted to east Asians means you're participating in Orientalism or whatever.

RefusedPP
14th January 2012, 21:35
I don't think it is racist, if it is simply aesthetics. If it's a deep held prejudice that all Asians are ugly or whatever then yes.

There are probably two races that I generally have found people attractive within when I think about it, but I don't feel that I have anything against the other races - but I simply don't find those women attractive typically (there have been exceptions). Also, there are plenty of people who attractive whose personalities I abhor but that is regardless of race!

It is important anyway I think, that if we find somebody attractive to just accept that. A persons race doesn't cross my mind when I see somebody, whether they are ugly or pretty. "She's pretty because she's Asian", or "she's not pretty because she's African", that is balderdash! :D

eyeheartlenin
15th January 2012, 03:44
This is an interesting question, and I am going to volunteer an opinion that probably no one else will agree with, in my response to the question raised by Kier.

Decades ago, there used to be a group, Black Men and White Men Together, which, as I remember, insisted on the idea that white men should orient towards having relationships with black men. I always disagreed with that, solely because I believe there ought to be a personal zone, where no one gets to make decisions for someone else. We ought to be completely free, unconstrained, in something as intimate as whom we date, I think.

That said, I have met some stunningly attractive people outside my own pale race. I just don't think I should have to take orders from anyone else in connection with falling in love.

Rafiq
15th January 2012, 04:28
It's racist if race is presuppositioned in your descision ("I won't date her *because* she's-insert race-"). Of course there are features that we may not like, however, there are always exceptions. There are attractive people in all races

MarxSchmarx
15th January 2012, 04:37
It's actually a very interesting question. Ultimately I think it comes down to why you are attracted to a given individual - are you attracted because it is what the powerful are telling you you should be attracted to, or is it that you are attracted to them for idiosyncratic reasons, because you haven't been exposed to other races, etc..? For most people it's a combination of several factors, which makes teasing it out really hard.


The prevailing sensitivity of "beauty" throughout most of the world is conditioned by racism - in particular, the more "nordic" looking an individual is, the more "attractive" they are considered by the media in most countries. For example, in much of Latin America, the models on commercials and billboards are typically European, as opposed to African or indigenous. Whites in places like Venezuela and Brazil, for example, have produced far more models or "beauty queens" than either the substantial indigenous or African populations. Similarly, in India and sub-saharan Africa, lighter skinned individuals are very often prominently featured as celebrities.

These are clearly reflective of racist undertones, and unfortunately many people internalize them.

But at the same time, it is true that many people cannot acquire a standard of beauty that they are not exposed to - thus for example until very recently it would be unlikely that a black woman from rural East Africa would find a Han man from Taiwan attractive, although that is changing very quickly. Still, I think to some extent it does reflect what people grow up with, and if the only people you grow up with are people of a given racial background, then I don't think it's very surprising people are attracted to certain races nor is it really "racism".

But when the standards of beauty reflect those standards pushed by the ruling class, namely, a thinly disguised thing but basically something like "whiter is better" or "subservient colonial female subject", attraction probably does mirror racist underpinnings.

Leftsolidarity
15th January 2012, 04:46
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?

Unless someone has a point that shows my ignorance, I think no. If you don't find them physically attractive that's just your taste. If you don't like them because of social sterotypes like "Oh, I don't like black people cuz they're just stupid" or some bullshit like that, yes.

If it was racist you could call all heterosexuals sexist because they are only attracted to one gender. They aren't physically attracted to the same sex but that doesn't mean they dislike the same sex.

My thoughts might not sound so clear at the moment cuz I'm tired so if that doesn't make much sense then say so and I will clarify tomorrow.

Revolution starts with U
15th January 2012, 05:19
I can easily say I am only attracted to one race; the human race.


... no, that's false. There are some fictional humanoid races that, were they real, would be pretty sexy

Frank Zapatista
15th January 2012, 05:30
If you're only attracted to your own "race" than it might be some sort of subconscious racism. If you're attracted to one "race" in general more than others it's probably just aesthetic. I for one, find middle eastern and Indian guys to be my preference but I'll date any guy if I think they're attractive.

Yazman
16th January 2012, 05:47
I'm going to go ahead and say yes. You can be attracted to certain traits but if you think that only one race can have beautiful traits then that's kind of racist. For me there are very attractive women of all races.

Yeah I think RedBrother puts it best. If you think races exist, and you think one is more beautiful than the other or only one can be beautiful, that's definitely racism.

Hell even if not the above, I still think that if you're grouping your aesthetic or sexual preferences by the imaginary construct of race, you are still playing into the social agenda of racists in a very subtle way. Race doesn't exist. You shouldn't be lumping in everybody with races as revolutionary leftists, even if it's just your aesthetic preferences.

RedAtheist
17th January 2012, 03:57
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?

It's not racist to only be sexually attracted to one race (you cannot help it, though it may well have been a result of your culture and upbringing.)

It is shallow to view people as superior because of their attractiveness and only be willing to have relationships with people you're attracted to. What if someone you're not attracted to turns out to be an amazing person and the perfect partner for you? (Who also knows how to have great sex :p)

I think determining a person's value based on their appearance is akin to racism, since most of the time you're are judging people based on traits they are born with and cannot control. If it's wrong to judge people based on their skin colour why is it okay to judge them based on equally genetic features such as facial shape. Instead of trying to have a broader definition of what is attractive, we should aim to make attractiveness irrelevent to our interactions and treat everybody well regardless of how they look (this includes being willing to enter relationships with anybody who's personality appeals to us, regardless of their looks.)

It's okay to be attracted to someone sexually, but that does not make those who you are not attracted to somehow less valuable.

workersadvocate
17th January 2012, 06:25
Related question to gauge the views here: can one be attracted to people of other "races" and still be a racist simultaneously?
I think YES!
Much like the "BUT I have black friends" and "I'm not a racist, BUT..." comed out of the mouths of racists often.

Leftsolidarity
17th January 2012, 13:59
Related question to gauge the views here: can one be attracted to people of other "races" and still be a racist simultaneously?
I think YES!
Much like the "BUT I have black friends" and "I'm not a racist, BUT..." comed out of the mouths of racists often.

Yes, there are many many examples of slave owners raping black slaves. There are also stories of racists in groups like the KKK having relations with other races.

00000000000
17th January 2012, 14:13
Re orig question: No, I don't think it is so long as the reasoning is based on general asthetics (sp?) and not on the fact they are w/e race they are. I hope someone would base their attraction to someone else on their features, figure and personality and not have nationality / ethnicity factored in

Game Girl
19th January 2012, 13:09
Eh, it's personal preference..

I find myself more attracted to black men..But I have had white boyfriends.

El Chuncho
19th January 2012, 14:10
As far as I am concerned there is only one race.

There is only one race. I refuse to declare that my relationship is interracial when asked, and I'll never call any relations between people of different skin colours ''interracial''. Using such a term, and also calling skin colours and ethnic groups ''races'', is pretty counterproductive to internationalism and progression.

I remember seeing a show in America where one of the characters only went for people of the same skin colour for seemingly no reason other than they have the same colour, yet she was shown to be positive. It was a kids show and a comedy... I was appalled.

Zealot
19th January 2012, 14:52
Yes, it's racist, although by definition race doesn't actually exist. If this necessarily means you exclude people of other backgrounds from being attractive then it is racist. It should be our duty to stamp out this kind of thinking and Eurocentric definitions of beauty because I really hate it when I find someone who isn't European complaining about their skin not being white enough or their nose not looking European enough.

It should be an impossibility not to be attracted to other races otherwise I would say it's either racist or borderline chauvinism.

thriller
19th January 2012, 16:21
Yes it's racist. In that all races are attractive because we are all human. But if it is purely sexual reasoning, I would say no. As far as romance goes, yes it is racist.

Firebrand
19th January 2012, 17:40
Personally I find the most attractive people tend to be mixed race, although there are exceptions.

Leftsolidarity
19th January 2012, 19:38
Yes, it's racist, although by definition race doesn't actually exist. If this necessarily means you exclude people of other backgrounds from being attractive then it is racist. It should be our duty to stamp out this kind of thinking and Eurocentric definitions of beauty because I really hate it when I find someone who isn't European complaining about their skin not being white enough or their nose not looking European enough.

It should be an impossibility not to be attracted to other races otherwise I would say it's either racist or borderline chauvinism.

OP never said they were attracted to Europeans and were only thinking of that.

Decolonize The Left
19th January 2012, 19:59
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?

To be totally honest, I don't think anyone is only attracted to one race. It's probably bullshit.

- August

L.A.P.
19th January 2012, 20:38
Yes, it is racist. Our society's view of what is beautiful and what we grew up to believe is beautiful has an incredible biased towards sharp European features and light skin. I mean, I don't think you're racist if you have that type of idea of beauty, because you can't really help that all our lives beauty was emphasized on those traits. I'll admit that I too am more attracted to light skin and sharp features but it's a result of class society.

Pirate Utopian
19th January 2012, 21:07
Attraction comes from a gutfeeling. If you're not feeling it there's nothing you can do. It doesnt mean you think less of a group of people.

Personally I have a perference (nothing exclusive) towards black girls (http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwdf150hGV1qio8t1o1_500.jpg)/guys and I'm a white guy.

Zealot
19th January 2012, 22:02
OP never said they were attracted to Europeans and were only thinking of that.

I never said they were I was simply pointing out an example of thinking that should be abolished.

RedAtheist
19th January 2012, 22:12
It should be an impossibility not to be attracted to other races otherwise I would say it's either racist or borderline chauvinism.

Out of curiousity, if a person with a particular facial shape that was considered to be unattractive stated that people with their facial shape should be considered a race (since there is not much scientific validity to the concept of race, why couldn't state that, facial shape is genetic after all) would you say that it should be impossible not to attracted to them? It would be nice if that were the case and all people found all other people to be attractive, but I don't think that's realistic. I think it would be easier to convince people that they should treat others well and be willing to form relationships with those who they are not immediately turned on by. After all plenty of women end up dating men who not very appealing to look at based on their humorous or charming nature, so why not the other way around?

Halleluhwah
19th January 2012, 22:27
I would say it is almost certainly a form of racism, which isn't to say that it's entirely the person's fault. It doesn't seem substantially different from the way some people might hug their purse more tightly at the sight of a black man, even though on an intellectual level they know that such behavior is wrong. I think it is important to take some sort of responsibility for visceral reactions like these and to try to work on them.

Leftsolidarity
19th January 2012, 22:48
I can't believe people are really saying it's racist. I don't really find myself more attracted to one race over another but their are different features of people that I find more or less attractive. If someone does not find a certain race(s) sexually arousing what's the big deal?

Going to throw out what may or may not be a good example because I'm thinking of it as I type. We don't classify heterosexuals as heterosexists/homophobes/sexists simply because they do not find genders other than their own sexually attractive. Why does the discrimination/bigotry card come into race but not gender?

I find it ridiculous to say that it is a flawed way of thinking or anything like that. It is sexual preference and we all have our own. It doesn't make you racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other nonsense.

Zealot
19th January 2012, 22:49
Out of curiousity, if a person with a particular facial shape that was considered to be unattractive stated that people with their facial shape should be considered a race (since there is not much scientific validity to the concept of race, why couldn't state that, facial shape is genetic after all) would you say that it should be impossible not to attracted to them? It would be nice if that were the case and all people found all other people to be attractive, but I don't think that's realistic. I think it would be easier to convince people that they should treat others well and be willing to form relationships with those who they are not immediately turned on by. After all plenty of women end up dating men who not very appealing to look at based on their humorous or charming nature, so why not the other way around?

I don't think it's unrealistic at all, as you can see here, a lot have admitted to being attracted to all people of the human race. Even those white nationalists have their own guilty pleasures. I still hold it to be an impossibility.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, true, but it doesn't mean we should restrict our idea of beauty to a single "race". Your example seems to me to be a bit of a red herring because since there is only one race there can only be our own subjective definitions of beauty and this subjective conception of a single person's attractiveness cannot be used to conflate an entire people with. Even within a particular race of people the variations can be huge which is why I laugh when people tell me all asians "look the same" because it becomes completely obvious they've never been to Asia. All this means is that people are narrow-minded, probably not through any fault of their own but the culture forced upon us. And in any future revolutionary society this type of thinking should be overthrown along with the bourgeoisie.

RedAtheist
20th January 2012, 08:50
I don't think it's unrealistic at all, as you can see here, a lot have admitted to being attracted to all people of the human race. Even those white nationalists have their own guilty pleasures. I still hold it to be an impossibility.

I think you misunderstood me. What I was trying to imagine was not just a world in which a few members of each race were considered attractive, but a world in which every human being (or at the very least every young human being) was considered attractive. I believe that this is an unrealistic expectation. However, I believe that the inequality that exists between "attractive" people and "unattractive" people needs to be dealt with in some way.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, true, but it doesn't mean we should restrict our idea of beauty to a single "race". Your example seems to me to be a bit of a red herring because since there is only one race there can only be our own subjective definitions of beauty and this subjective conception of a single person's attractiveness cannot be used to conflate an entire people with.

The point of my example was this. I was trying to use the fact that people (on this forum at least) had developed a consciousness with regard to racial issue in order to highlight other forms of discrimination based on genetic traits. You might argue that my post was off topic, but I feel the point needs to be made, since the posters on this thread (I don't mean to target you in particular) seemed to take for granted that being attractive made you superior, (hence not being attracted to people of a particular race as attractive meant viewing them as inferior.)

Saying that beauty should not be about race is good, but we need to go further in questioning society's assumptions. If our definition of beauty should not be restricted to a single race, why should it be restricted to a single facial shape, breast size, body shape, skin type, etc. or even a set of facial shapes, breast sizes, etc. In fact any definition of beauty that our society comes up with will always exclude somebody on the basis of traits that are completely (or almost completely) genetic. I feel that this is unfair.

We either need to challenge the very notion that some people are beautiful and others are not or we need to declare appearance to be irrelevent to one's value. Sure both of those ideas are idealistic, but this is a anarchist/communist forum so why dream big, right? I'd personally opt for the latter as the more realistic one.


And in any future revolutionary society this type of thinking should be overthrown along with the bourgeoisie.

I would certainly like to see racism abolished, but why not go a step furthur and try to abolish all forms of discrimination based on genetic traits?

KR
20th January 2012, 23:20
I think you misunderstood me. What I was trying to imagine was not just a world in which a few members of each race were considered attractive, but a world in which every human being (or at the very least every young human being) was considered attractive. I believe that this is an unrealistic expectation. However, I believe that the inequality that exists between "attractive" people and "unattractive" people needs to be dealt with in some way.



The point of my example was this. I was trying to use the fact that people (on this forum at least) had developed a consciousness with regard to racial issue in order to highlight other forms of discrimination based on genetic traits. You might argue that my post was off topic, but I feel the point needs to be made, since the posters on this thread (I don't mean to target you in particular) seemed to take for granted that being attractive made you superior, (hence not being attracted to people of a particular race as attractive meant viewing them as inferior.)

Saying that beauty should not be about race is good, but we need to go further in questioning society's assumptions. If our definition of beauty should not be restricted to a single race, why should it be restricted to a single facial shape, breast size, body shape, skin type, etc. or even a set of facial shapes, breast sizes, etc. In fact any definition of beauty that our society comes up with will always exclude somebody on the basis of traits that are completely (or almost completely) genetic. I feel that this is unfair.

We either need to challenge the very notion that some people are beautiful and others are not or we need to declare appearance to be irrelevent to one's value. Sure both of those ideas are idealistic, but this is a anarchist/communist forum so why dream big, right? I'd personally opt for the latter as the more realistic one.



I would certainly like to see racism abolished, but why not go a step furthur and try to abolish all forms of discrimination based on genetic traits?
How are you going to abolish discrimination against "ugly people" without forcing people to have relationships with them as i would imagine most people would not want to be in a relationship with someone they find unattractive.

kitsune
20th January 2012, 23:39
Of course it is, inherently. Race doesn't exist. It's a false classification system. There are no "racial" traits exclusive to given population groups by which you can make such a classification. So you would have to make categorizations based on a flawed, racist notion.

However, being attracted by certain physical traits that are common to some population groups but not others is no big deal.

The interesting thing about being attracted to traits that are not common to one's own population group is that this would have a tremendous evolutionary benefit in terms of increasing genetic diversity. It may well have developed as a method to increase the odds of our species' survival.

black magick hustla
21st January 2012, 13:45
people who are attracted to "one race" have a fucked up mental thing or are racist. i dont care what the apologists here say, but i can't think very high of shitty white people who have an asian fetish or like blondes that have this exotic thing for like black and brown people. its a fetish, i dont think people are naturally that "picky" about their partners. fuck y'all

El Chuncho
21st January 2012, 14:55
but i can't think very high of shitty white people who have an asian fetish or like blondes that have this exotic thing for like black and brown people.

So, what you are saying, really, is that you cannot be attracted to people of another ''ethnicity'' or differing appearances without being attracted to people that are the same as you?

''Shitty white people''? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Racist much? :che:




fuck y'all

And fuck ya' too.

Oswy
24th January 2012, 16:24
people who are attracted to "one race" have a fucked up mental thing or are racist. i dont care what the apologists here say, but i can't think very high of shitty white people who have an asian fetish or like blondes that have this exotic thing for like black and brown people. its a fetish, i dont think people are naturally that "picky" about their partners. fuck y'all

I have to admit, rightly or wrongly, I'm heavily suspicious of those who are only attracted to people from one 'race' or who find one particular 'race' unattractive. Having said that, what we can find attractive or unattractive in physical terms often is very superficial; I know a few women who don't find (naturally or otherwise) blond men attractive for example - even when they themselves dye their own hair blond. Where's the logic in that?

NewSocialist
24th January 2012, 18:22
I think any one who is attracted to only 1 race to be a counter revolutionary. Hear me out on this now. Its safe to say they probably came to this view because of our racist and nationalist culture and have been even more influenced by this rot then the rest of us. After the revolution when borders have been abolished it wouldn't surprise me if these very racists attempt to subvert socialism. They aren't only stupid and racist for only finding 1 race worth having sex with but they are a political danger IMHO

Lanky Wanker
24th January 2012, 18:40
I think it's safe to say the majority of people who are only attracted to "one race" do have some kind of nationalist or racist feelings inside, but to say you're (for the most part) not really attracted to a particular "race" or "races" isn't racist. I myself generally don't have a physical interest in black girls for example, but I wouldn't NOT go out with a black girl if I did find her attractive and liked her as a person.

d32123
26th January 2012, 07:15
Yes, it's racist, but it's as far as racism goes it's not a very serious kind. Race is a social construct used to divide the people, anyway.

Personally, I find women of all "races" to be attractive though I have a slight bias towards "Asian" women.

Oswy
26th January 2012, 11:33
Yes, it's racist, but it's as far as racism goes it's not a very serious kind. Race is a social construct used to divide the people, anyway.

Personally, I find women of all "races" to be attractive though I have a slight bias towards "Asian" women.

I'm the same, except I have a bias in favour of women who are hard-core leftists. If they just happen to look like Beyonce then all the better... :lol:

Marquess
27th January 2012, 16:38
I think it all depends.

I don't think it's racist to have a preference for ________ men/woman over ________ men/woman. If you think White woman are prettier than Black (Or vice-versa) or Hispanic prettier than Asian (Or vice-versa), that's just your body telling you what it likes. You can't force yourself to be attracted to someone you're not attracted to. I know people of all races who have a preference, it's not really a bad thing IMHO.

BUT, if you're in a loving relationship with a ________ man/woman and you break it off because you found out their great-Grandfather was ________ or if you really take an interest in someone but don't wanna act on it because of that persons race, that's racist.

seventeethdecember2016
30th January 2012, 18:35
Would you consider it racist to only be attracted to one race, and thus only willing to form sexual relationships with members of that race?
Racism is impossible, since there is only one race. THE HUMAN RACE.
Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

Leftsolidarity
30th January 2012, 20:09
Racism is impossible, since there is only one race. THE HUMAN RACE.
Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

What? Are you fucking stupid?

ManEggL
31st January 2012, 07:00
I see no problem unless you're not attracted to a certain race due to a racial stereotype.

seventeethdecember2016
31st January 2012, 16:15
What? Are you fucking stupid?
That's a possibility.

NewSocialist
31st January 2012, 17:37
What? Are you fucking stupid?

what are you? A moderator at the Socialist Phailanx? take your ”race classifications” and shove them up your ass.

Leftsolidarity
31st January 2012, 18:15
what are you? A moderator at the Socialist Phailanx? take your ”race classifications” and shove them up your ass.

It is one thing to say that race is a social construct. It is another thing to say it just doesn't exist and to call anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

Even if it is a social construct, it is a part of our society and should be dealt with. Not ignored and swept under the carpet.

That is how you completely dismiss the struggles of black/latino/other oppressed communities.

NewSocialist
31st January 2012, 18:21
It is one thing to say that race is a social construct. It is anything thing to say it just doesn't exist and to call anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

Even if it is a social construct, it is a part of our society and should be dealt with. Not ignored and swept under the carpet.

That is how you completely dismiss the struggles of black/latino/other oppressed communities.

He was saying that it's ignorant to think race is any thing more then a social contruct. The only way for the Black and Latino struggles to be won, to destroy racism, we need to destory capitalism and show people that race is a false. That we are all the same human “race“

Leftsolidarity
31st January 2012, 18:24
He was saying that it's ignorant to think race is any thing more then a social contruct. The only way for the Black and Latino struggles to be won, to destroy racism, we need to destory capitalism and show people that race is a false. That we are all the same human “race“

He said "Racism is impossible". Very poor wording if what you are saying is what he meant.

seventeethdecember2016
31st January 2012, 18:44
He said "Racism is impossible". Very poor wording if what you are saying is what he meant.
Perhaps I said that, but what difference does it make? What the world unites and decided to get rid of "race". Will they not say that race never existed and it was falsely used as classification in the past? Perhaps our modern society is wrong?

khlib
31st January 2012, 18:45
Whoa, I am surprised by this thread. How is it not racist to say "I am not attracted to black girls"?? That involves applying racial stereotypes to a huge group of people.

artanis17
31st January 2012, 18:48
Sorrry if I sound vulgar Kier, I love Fish and Chips. Adore them. Could I imagine eating then each and every day, for a lifetime? Not bloody likely. Rice and peas with Curry Goat. Latterly Lechon, with a few " happy meals", like PAELLA. RISOTTO ...CHATEAUBRIAND...SUSHI....MINCE & TATTIES...BOILED BACON...with a Florida Salad. Wherever I have been in the world or who ever I have met in London, they are all lovely. All shapes and sizes. All ages. Whatever the dress or costume. Whatever the language.... COUSCOUS.... KEBAB....SAUERKRAUT ...CHICKEN KIEV try it, SUCK IT AND SEE. Yer can always spit it out if the taste is bad....stick with Meatloaf, just like Ma used to make. I can promise you that you'll love at least one of those dishes.

Mind you Kier I often used to think why did I marry a black woman then a brown one. They both rubbed bleaching cream into every pore before bed. Never could make sense of that, never.

lol respect

GallowsBird
31st January 2012, 19:34
Racism is impossible, since there is only one race. THE HUMAN RACE.
Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

Racism in its oldest form is the belief that "Human races" exist and usually implies that said believer thinks his race is superior (though merely believing in "Human races" technically makes one a racist, some use "racialist" now for that but this is nonsense and just more benign racists trying to distance themselves from the Klan or the Nazi party et cetera).

The existence of "Racism" does not mean that races have to exist just as the existence of, say, Scientology does not mean that Xenu existed or little aliens ride around in space-going jumbo jets.

You are right that the "Human Race" is a singular entity but that does not make Racism not a part of Human existence... as it has been for a few hundred years.

Oswy
6th February 2012, 18:43
Racism is impossible, since there is only one race. THE HUMAN RACE.
Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

Even though you're right that there is only one race, the fact that people have in the past believed, and continue in the present to believe, in the existence of races, makes racism real. Plenty of old ladies were tortured and killed for 'being witches' in seventeenth century England (among other places) even though you won't find many people today defending the idea that they really were witches - but they were still tortured and killed.

GoddessCleoLover
6th February 2012, 18:48
Probably

Scarlet Fever
6th February 2012, 19:06
As Rafiq pointed out, it's racist if race is the basis you're going on. Otherwise, I have a question for people who say it's racist to be attracted to one group and not another:

Do you think that I, as a gay male, am sexist?

Gender, like race, is a social construct (and there's a strong argument to be made that the notion of "biological sex" is, too). There are beautiful, attractive people of all genders, as there are of all racial backgrounds. So the reason I'm not generally attracted to women must be my own misogyny, right?
:confused:

NoMasters
7th February 2012, 00:12
No...

That's totally biological man. Unless you are saying, "ew I hate black girls" for no good reason and that reason is why you won't hook up with them, then obviously that is racism